/vr/ - Retro Games

99% of people who played on a CRT played on a shitty, likely off brand consumer model CRT. Literally any CRT will work just fine, people caught up on the specifics are just splitting hairs due to them having specific needs and wanting to get a certain result.

>>7088235
every crt is good enough, don't fall for the ebay niggers

If you're looking to have the "authentic" experience then you shouldn't care about that, because people back then sure as hell didn't.

It doesn’t matter to a certain degree, composite on a Crt vs a pvm is so minuscule you can’t tell the fucking diffrence, I seriously mean this. And a video, composite, rf, ect...on any crt regardless if it’s a sanyo or a triniton, basically looks the fucking same, give or take 10%. Whatever you do don’t over spend on the autistic movement going on right now for crts. They all work great for old games.

>>7088284
I meant to say component, but it applies for everything, it almost ridiculous how expensive certain brands of tvs are when they basically all look the same image wise. 10% better image quality on a pvm is not worth an extra 500 bucks

>>7088235
Just make sure that "03" or "Game" or "Video 2" isn’t burned in to the upper-right corner.

>>7088235
When I slept over at my friend's place, we used to play PS1 on his family's old console set from the late 1970s. We played over RF, the reds were pretty much non-existent and there was a huge black blob on one side of the tv. It was possibly the worst CRT TV I've ever played on, but we didn't care much at the time.

To answer your question, yes. A CRT from a thrift store will be good.

Consumer Sony TVs from the early 2000s are everywhere and they're cheap. I got mine for $10 a few years ago. Keep an eye out on craigslist or fb marketplace.

>>7088235
they're all great if you're lookin for that low response time

In general computer monitors look a lot better but not too many had more than VGA input

>>7088307
>there was a huge black blob on one side of the tv.
This just reminded me of why I'm glad I don't use CRT TVs anymore.

>>7088525
Because you like buying a new monitor every 5 years rather than every 30 years?

>>7088235
Even the shittest most fucked CRT far exceeds the performance of any LCD for retro gaming.

save up for over 2 years for the perfect CRT if you don’t want to buy a shitty thrift store consumer tv.

>>7088525
I was was trying to make the point that back then, we worked with what we got. My TV at home was in much better shape though it also only supported RF.

>>7088624
>I was was trying to make the point that back then, we worked with what we got.
I know. I don't care. It ended up just reminded me of why I don't miss using CRTs.

>>7088235
>Will your average CRT from the local thrift store be adequate for retro gaming?
Yes, motherfucker. YES.

>>7088581
That comes from trusting chinks and a corrupt native aristocracy to make all your shit, actually. Nothing to do with LED technology.

>>7088235
component>s-video>composite>RF
less important: curved screen>flat screen
ideally you want both component and s-video on the same TV but a TV with either one is worth taking home
TVs with no better than composite are not worth money
TVs with no better than RF are not worth taking home for free (if you're nostalgic for that kind of thing you aren't asking what CRTs are worth getting)

>>7088632
faggot.

Try to find a consumer CRT with component and you've basically reached end game for CRTs, or if you don't care about 6th gen then S-Video

>>7088869
>find a zoomer pretending to know anything about crts and laugh it him
k. lol

>>7088525
Because you like buying a new monitor every 5 years rather than every 30 years?

>>7088640
Not really, no.

>>7088235
The biggest difference between these tv sets mostly comes down to inputs. If your set has component then it was probably already mid to high end in its day.

Also note that while the broader crt nerds are only just now discovering this, all of high end models from recognizable japanese brands were good, not just sony or jvc.

So: look for Toshiba, JVC, Panasonic, or Philips/Magnavox (not japanese but still quality) sets with lots of inputs, and make sure the one you choose isn't hd (widescreen).

Consumer grade tvs are free. Thrift stores near me don't even stock crts anymore. They're too bulky and never sell.

Absolutely, don't be concerned with shelling out for one of those jackass broadcast monitors, that's reddit-tier turbo autism.

Some CRTs are better or worse but overall they're all gonna do the same thing. Forget the thrift store, just go drive around a few different neighborhoods the day before garbage day and throw one in the back of your car.

>>7089389
>just go drive around a few different neighborhoods the day before garbage day and throw one in the back of your car.
This guy knows. I wasn't sure if this was exclusive to big cities or not. Some guys seem to be in legitimate crt wastelands with none to be found anywhere.
The holiday season might be a decent time to keep your eyes open for sidewalk crts. I imagine as stores have big sales people will be buying new tvs and shifting around or replacing old tvs.

>>7089389
>None of the pawn shops or goodwills around me accept/carry CRT's
>Have never seen one just thrown out
>Every craigslist ad in my area has them listed as "retro gaming monitors" with prices to match

as far as I can tell this just isn't a thing anymore unfortunately

>>7088235
Reminder, if your CRT doesn't have a HDMI plug, its trash.

>>7089431
Where do you live dude? I’ve seen tens of sets in the side of the road within the last month, central CT fwiw. Hell I picked up a 32” Panasonic with component off some guys front lawn 2 months ago.

>>7089416
I certainly don't live in a big city but I literally drove past a CRT only last week in a subdivision. Was actually planning on going back later the same day, but it rained.

Black Friday weekend could be a decent time to look but honestly I don't think so because while CRTs still show up on curbs pretty regularly, I don't think nearly anyone in the US is just now replacing the CRT in their livingroom or anything. maybe springtime, because of spring cleaning?

just go drive around for an hour everyday, you might as well. certainly nothing fucking else to do right now.

>>7088895
>Not really, no.

>>7088785
>TVs with no better than RF are not worth taking home for free
>Intellivision
>2600/5200/7800
>coleco
>etc
All RF only out consoles, plenty of reason to get RF televisions.

Jesus Christ, the PVM mentality has really jaded people.

>>7089568
That's what I meant by shifting. I guess I was imagining someone replacing their main TV and moving their old one down the line and so on until the crt in the garage gets put on the curb. Or tvs being so cheap that they finally buy grandma one.
Either way, I see crts on the curb seemingly every day year round. Hell, I'd bet the crts that took this long to make their way to the curb are relatively late models with decent inputs and specs.

>>7089590
Now that television stations only broadcast digitally, RF actually looks way better than it used to. When I first bought my Dreamcast I only had an RF adapter, and it looked shockingly good.

>>7089590
Let the masses pass on them, just means more options for the little guy in the know. Ffs RF with a quality modulator and short runs of properly shielded coax looks just as good as composite 9 times out of 10.

>>7089590
Sure, some consoles only output rf but why the fuck would you dedicate so much space to a bulky TV that you might only want to use with a few consoles. Consoles that most people under 50 don't give a shit about anyway. Beyond that, a TV with rf only is likely 40 fucking years own and probably not in great shape.
At this point an rf only tv is probably much less common than a svideo+composite unit.

>>7088235
Definitely. I like retro tvs but I'd be heavily inclined to choose something made in the 90s all else being equal. The parts will be newer and likely less to need maintenance or be nearing the end of their life. Also just from viewing youtube videos or pictures online some really old CRTs (40+ years) seem a little blurry or washed out to me. There's also how tvs with wooden parts are a potential fire hazard.

>>7089598
>>7089601
I recently saved a pristine Toshiba Blackstripe RF set in perfect working condition from the curb in front of a house. It's from 1985.


>>7089604
Any CRT is worth saving. At worst, the tubes will work in arcade game chassis for those with a few cabs. The woodgrain goes with the old Ataris and shit too. If you have the space this is no problem. They made so fucking many that there are many RF only ones still out there.

>>7088235
As long as it has S-video inputs, you're good.

>>7088235
>Will your average CRT from the local thrift store be adequate for retro gaming?
Yes.
>What seperates a decent CRT from a clunker that you shouldn't bother with at all?
If it doesn’t have component or S-Video inputs, then while it should be serviceable you should keep an eye out for one that does and upgrade if you find one.

>>7088235
99% of what you can find at a thrift store is nicer than what I played on when I was a kid, and I was perfectly happy.

>>7088235
Most people only go for Sony, but they're utterly overrated. As long as it's not a no name brand it'll be fine. If it has component or RGB then absolutely get it. Otherwise don't bother.

>>7089623
The nice thing about the especially old sets is that you can often correct image defects by manipulating some pots with a screwdriver on the back of the sets.

>>7088632
Miserable cunt

>>7088302
did burn in actually happen on CRTs? i've heard of that happening on modern displays but never CRTs

>>7090570
Don't service menus do that sort of thing with newer ones? Seems strange to lose functionality (though I guess we are in a timeline where LCDs are considered more advanced than CRTs so who knows).

>>7091489
Only in certain types of projection tvs noone ever had.

>>7091505
I have been reading wikipedia and looks like I was slightly full of shit (happens 0.001% of the time)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in

>>7091519
i burned a couple channel bugs into a CRT TV from watching the same channel for several hours a day.

>>7088235
BTW guys,

You're probably not going to be watching a lot of standard definition TV these days... So why not simplify your life, ditch the NES/SNES RF adapter, and just buy one of these? Get your video and audio over one RCA cord, no COAX needed.

>>7091489
In my anecdotal experience, only after years of "LINE IN" constantly being displayed in the upper corner.

>>7089389
but they look better. that's why so many people want them.

My history:
>only had CRT TVs until 4 or 5 months ago
>the one I used to watch local news and play my PS2 got fucked
>the other is PAL while my PS2 is NTSC
>found a small store near my house selling 14" Phillips CRT TVs
>went there with my PS2 to see if it works
>paid 9 dollars (when converted) for it
>works great, amazing image, good sound and fits in my room
Honestly, don't worry too much. Check the sound, image (colors, lines and blacks blobs), screen (marks, scratches and cracks), etc.
My suggestion? Get a cheap 14" one because if it's shit or dies after some months, it doesn't matter; if it's good, then jackpot.

>>7091489
>>7091505
The early pong games had static graphics that would apparently burn even a normal CRT, which is why the Atari 2600 was so careful to put on the color cycling light show in between games.

>>7091497
Not really a completely comparable set of options. A little overlap.

Something I've noticed is if the brightness is turned up to the max it could indicate a worn crt. Most places don't let you test them anymore anyway, you don't need something too big, 17 inch is decent and lighter than many lcd's that people use nowdays. The last time I saw a crt for sale was 3 years and I got it, a lot of the time it mite not come with the remote but they could have it with the other stuff they are selling. People don't bother to sell crt's anymore, I've seen a couple of those mid 90's black ones dumped and ruined in various places. The silver ones from the 2000's are pretty good.

>>7091886
Brightness fading over time is a problem for playing light gun games. My TVs are still usable but on my PC monitors I've had to turn up the brightness until blacks are light gray and/or adjust the picture size until the image is far away from the actual edge of the screen.

>>7088869
wrong zoomie you must spend several thousands of dollars on tope of the line PVMs and all sorts of gear yuo will only use once
fucking kill youself zoomlet

>>7091489
Of course. Why do you think screen savers were a thing? The coating of the screen that actually glows can be damaged over time.

>>7091562
Consoles since NES* put a DC bias on the coax output to power the RF switch, you need a capacitor inline to block that. The TV probably has a blocking capacitor, but I don't like the chance of blowing the console power supply.
(*and before that, the 4-port Atari 5200 and RCA Studio II which ran the power in through the RF adapter)

>>7089590
>not composite/s video/rgb modding your atari and coleco
Shiggy diggy

>>7092413
how do i hdmi mod my 2600? i absolutely need to play pong without artifacts on my 60” lcd. can i add filters?

>>7092435
do an S-video mod and put that into a scan converter

>>7091489
more so on arcade monitors than tvs

>>7091489
It's possible, but less likely on a home TV than say, an arcade console, because the TV isn't typically displaying the same image for hours at a time, day after day, year after year. As other have alluded to, the main exception is when you have things like channel numbers being displayed constantly.

>>7091489
My grandfather burned the center bar of the Prevue Channel into at least two CRT televisions by falling asleep with that channel on. I myself used to have a computer monitor with the menu bar of some dos program burned into the top edge. It happens.

>>7089363
Yeah, its a big issue. They don't take them any more so you're basically stuck looking for people who had one just sitting around they haven't gotten rid of yet.

>>7088235
Of course it will. Forget about autistic collectors, no one had those meme sony things they have now.
Back then, everyone had, well, whatever they had. Mostly some 20-22" Philips just like the pic you posted.
Get 'em before people start charging 500usd for a retratron-screen-2000 with HDMI support.

>>7092636
This is why the channel ID "bugs" in the corner of the screen are gray, and often transparent.

>>7088895
I've used the same flat panel tv for almost seven years now. The composite ports on my last childhood crt didn't work after about five years, and my parent's last crt had some strange flicker issue if there was too much yellow in the picture. I've had way better luck with LCD durability wise.

>>7093269
You lucked out then. Between the shitty capacitors, lead free solder, and chinkshit quality flat screens on the whole don't last as well as older stuff.

I have doubts any lcd will be working in 35 years like the Toshiba >>7089623 I found. Maybe some of the early gen Plasmas made in Japan that cost five figures like the Fujitsus and Pioneers.

>>7090554
There's a big difference between my Panasonic crt from 1997 and the Sony wega w/sub woofer circa 2004 i got given for free. The Sony blows it out the water. Crystal clear graphics, awesome sound, no warping, less noise. Go for the models towards the end of the era when the tech was perfected. They should last longer too.

I bought a Sony Trinitron Wega XBR back in the late 90s when they came out

Yes, there is a big difference between it and standard CRT TVs

Most people may not care but the Wega is as good as it gets if you're particular

>>7088235
Component in is ideal for crisp 240p via emulators/Wii but that's autistic nitpicking really. Any working CRT is fine, really.

Is Trinitron just a meme for Americans whose crts didn't have rgb?

>>7093393
I had a "digital ready" 36" Wega back in the mid '00s. I used the DVI connector with a computer, but the little shit refused to display the first 20 lines (because that's the NTSC retrace crap zone) even with the service menu. And it had some weird video modes. And the resolution switch was annoying, so when I used an external HDTV tuner with it, I just set the thing to fixed 480p.
Its 480p was fucking beautiful, and the S-video from a PS2 was twice as good as on any other TV. But then the power supply started dying, and it weighed like 80 kilos, so I got the hell rid of it.
>>7093731
Trinitron is a display tube technology. It had nothing to do with RGB.

>>7093731
no, you're thinking of PVMs. trinitrons were just good TVs.

Bros, where is is /crt/?

>>7096442
died, no one remade it yet, as usual CRT discussion is spread across 5 threads asking if you should pay your neighbor $20 for a composite only 12 inch that smells like cat piss

>>7096515
But I love reading retards' asking why the broken pvm they bought in ebay isn't working.