/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7078651
Yes.

>>7078676
Damn right

>>7078651
Based.
I don't fully agree with the claim, but it's strong contender for the best FPS of the first half of 90s.

Here are some early screenshots of the Rise of the Triad alpha when it was still a sequel to Wolfensteinl 3D. Here we see Hitler in a Triad armband and the title screen. Next Ill post charater and weapon sprites.

>>7078997

>>7078998
You can see more assets from this early version here:
https://legacy.3drealms.com/rott/originalspec.html

>>7078651
Sorry, but Redneck Rampage was the apex of FPS games.

>>7079263
Not true Redneck Rampage is a glorified Duke3d TC

I love the idea of sprite shooters but the level design always bores me.

>>7078651
Cool contrarian take, and it's a neat game, mind you... but it's Wolfenstein on steroids which is both what's good and bad about it.
>90 degree angles only
>Quake-level commitment to one color; maroon
>boring enemies
The weapons, music, and silly shit like jump-pads and god/dog mode, level achievements, and drunk missile are soulful and all but the level design, enemies, and gun feel just aren't on the level of the boomer shooter big boys.

>>7080519
You didn't mention the extreme verticality that all other FPS of the sprite era lack, the first retail FPS to include Deathmatch only maps, and the very first FPS to feature rocket jumping as an intended gameplay mechanic.

>>7080527
because it kind of sucks and it's just as auto-aimey as the other sprite shooters. I never played it multi, and even today rarely play anything multiplayer, but the jump-pads and rocket jumping are cool.

It unironically has the best music of any old school FPS:
https://youtu.be/xX_Kb0cDN98

>>7080532
You sound like a nonce and your opinion is hereby discarded.

The remake blew. It ran like shit on my 2010 gaming-ish laptop, then I discovered the game was just shit on my 2014 rig.

>>7080540
>try to give it to you that the game's cool, just not the GOAT
>OI YA NONCE WANKA
Okay, snaggletooth. Okay.

>>7080545
You're also a bellend

>>7080541
Yeah it was OK for what it was, it was literally made by a team of like 8 people.

>>7080553
Just has the usual problem of frantic sprite shooters not being adjusted for true 3D/actual aiming. Everything just felt weird. Like those Doom/Wolfenstein parts in nuWolf/Doom. I dunno, mane, just felt trashy.

>>7078651
Have you played the game? It gets old by General Darian, let alone by the end of the game. I played through it all with the secret ending because I pove my '90s FPS, but it just isn't that fun. The soundtrack absolutely slaps, but the levels are ultimately too large, too abstract, and too repetitive to be very much fun or worth playing more than once if that. Some of this can be blamed on engine limitations, but at the end of the day it's just not that great of a game, weapon and player variety be damned.

The best 90's FPS is Doom 2, then Quake, then Duke3D.

>>7079263
Troll. RR is an ok novelty but far inferior to the game whose code it was based on.

>>7080527
>the extreme verticality that all other FPS of the sprite era lack
Marathon
>the first retail FPS to include Deathmatch only maps
Marathon
>the very first FPS to feature rocket jumping as an intended gameplay mechanic
Marathon

>>7080661
Marathon is for Macniggers

>>7080661
Rise of the Triad required rocket jumping to get the good ending and both games came out at the same time but RoTT was first.

>>7080670
You mean Macchads
>>7080674
Marathon's demo came out before the ROTT shareware.

>>7080709
No one played it

>>7080716
>I missed out that means so did you
Cope. In any case I bet Marathon sold close to as many copies as ROTT.

>>7080727
Just checked, looks like 150k for Marathon vs 110k for Rise. Cope DOSfag.

>>7080735
I sold well because it was literally the only fps on the platform lol

>>7078997
>>7078998
>>7079003

I'm happy with what ROTT ended up being but nice nonetheless.

>>7078651
>no (true) elevation
its shit

>>7080963
Eat a fat fucking dick you faggot

>>7080735
Kill yourself applecuck

>console wars but with retro fps
kys

Not even the best game on the wolfenstein 3d engine

>>7081070
Fuck Blake Stone

>>7078676
what they means by this

>>7078676
I remember using the level select cheat as a kid, going to "This Causes an Error" and seeing the "I'm Free!" message. It was so cool to discover it, and I thought it was really funny.

What Tom Hall and his team achieved with the Wolf3D engine is highly impressive. It is more a bastard child to the engine it was changed so much. The finished product is by no means an engineering marvel but had a certain charm to it.

Here are some of the things that are in the ROTT engine:

Multi level orthogonally based levels.
Room over room (sort of).
Transparency.
Textured Floors and Ceilings.
Dynamic Lighting.
FLIC support (although we never had any in the game).
CINEMATIC engine (also never used. The ending sequence is scripted but doesn't utilize the cool shit developed before hand).
11 player network support.
Masked Walls (Textures with holes in them).
Moving Walls.
Stairs (sort of).

>>7081307
I appears if you use the level select cheat to access a level called "This Causes an Error". It literally does, as a column of moving blocks moves outside of the level boundary and makes it crash. When it does, this art of a block escaping the confines of the level is shown on screen.

>>7081358
Based

The level design is just dull as fuck

>>7080578
/thread?

>>7082642
No, because Doom 2 is shit and worse even than Doom 1 on all fronts.
>shittier maps than even post KDitD Doom1
>super shotgun ruining the weapon balance
>new monsters aren't fun
Also Quake is only good for the MP.

>>7078651
Don't get me wrong, I love RoTT, but the limited Wolfenstein 3D engine wasn't doing it any favors.

>>7078651
Doom is my number one, but ROTT is definitely one of my very favorites, next to Duke Nukem 3D, Quake, and Half-Life.

>>7080578
>The soundtrack absolutely slaps, but the levels are ultimately too large, too abstract, and too repetitive to be very much fun or worth playing more than once if that
This
As I said in another thread, it gets old bursting the same costume department actor and navigating the handful of basilica-like corridors. It kicks ass, but, let's not kid ourselves. I wouldn't even call it GOTY for 94.
t. played through ROTT Shareware, ROTT registered and ROTT 2013

>>7078839
Based and Melissapilled

>>7078651
I'm really excited for the official 3D Realms port to be done so I can finally play this shit for myself, it looks absolutely over-the-top ridiculous and fun. I know the original game had deathmatch, did it have online co-op as well?

>>7082773
If your only argument is Doom I contrarian bullshit then it was thread.

>>7082773
C'mon mane how can you hate the super shotgun? You can't be serious.
>new enemies blow
Mostly true, but you gotta love Archvile and boney boy. For the most part they are just spongier palette swaps to offset the super shotgun being so awesome, though. Fuck the pain elemental.

>>7082773
>>shittier maps than even post KDitD Doom1
Only maybe a fifth of them. The best Doom 2 levels are by contrast better than the best Doom 1 levels
>>super shotgun ruining the weapon balance
I actually prefer the single shotty to the super
>>new monsters aren't fun
Retarded opinion, the new monsters give Doom the greatest bestiary of all the 2.5D shooters

>>7084327
Why wait? You can play it now. Do you *need* widescreen and higher resolutions? Who's to say they won't fuck it up too?

>>7078651
>boring flat ass levels
nah

I just tried revisiting ROTT after having enjoyed it over a decade ago and it hasn't held up very well. Fun weapons but the enemies and levels are so dull outside of the gimmicky bingbingwahoo elements

>>7084385
They can't fuck it up any worse than every source port that exists for it. And I don't like DOSbox so I won't use that

>>7084387
>doesn't know about the exteme vertically of Rise of the Triad, how the levels can be up to 16 stories high and jump pads send the player 5 stories high where gunfights can happen with enemies who can also use jump pads
Cringe

>>7084753
>verticality means its not flat
flat walls and floors as far as the eye can see

>>7084778
You have shit tier taste if a few 90 degree angle walls make you not want to play a game as based as ROTT.

>>7084785
Loaded it again today, on both my retro PC + CRT and Dosbox and man. It feels weird. The enemies are a tad too spongy against bullet weapons, feels laggy and not done any favors by its locked framerate. I know Doom's locked too but somehow this seems worse. The enemies also seem to react to damage slowly/unsatisfactorily. Mouse control is odd and a bit slow even at the highest settings. Yes yes, it has gore and gimmicks, very good, but it's just a sloppy ass game, dude.

>>7084753
Boy that SURE is fun in a game with floaty-ass auto-aim and no proper mouselook.

I think, if anything, your thread only made me look at the game more closely and diminished my nostalgia.
>so THAT's why I never finished it

>>7080716
moving the goalpost