/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7070883
Bernie dropped the ball. X-men Vs. Streetfighter could've expanded the market

>>7070883
Sony Playstation.

>>7070889
I love that song. That and "If You Must" are legendary. Seriously though, fuck Bernie!

>>7070883
I can think of 299 things that went wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI

It was not our future...

>>7070883
In the West: Multiple factors (E3 1995, the 32X killed a lot of consumer trust, a lot of Japanese games wouldn't get a Western release, etc).
In Japan: Final Fantasy VII. The Saturn was actually outselling the PSX before FF7 was released.

>>7070921
Anon, I hate you.

>>7070921

>>7070883
No games. Simple as.

N64 and Saturn together make for a better lineup of games than PS1 if you can read moon.
Superior 3D and superior 2D.
>haha you need 2 of you to kill me!
Sure, think of it as Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz. Raditz might have been technically stronger, but very useless when 2 old rivals combine force.

>>7071114
Not quite the case, but it was basically this way with N64/PC for me. I only had a PC, but all my friends had N64s. So I'd get the best 4 player 3d action on N64 with friends (dial up multiplayer SUCKED for fps games on PC) and the best 2d RPGs and Strategy games on PC.

>>7070883
>Never the console
>Never drew a dime
>Never had a good game outside Japan or that utilizes 3D capabilities
>Tanked the buyrate of Dreamcast so hard it caused Sega to stop making consoles
>Difficult to develop or emulate due to complicated architecture and use of quads
>Only the 3rd best-selling 5th generation console worldwide
>Only the 3rd best when it comes to 3D rendering performance
>Jannetty to PlayStation even later on in Japan
>Launch Daytona USA port so badly optimized Sega Rally guys had to code a better port
>Sonic game development shafted so badly that FIVE Genesis Sonic games have to be ported
>High reliance on arcade ports
>Every decent first-party Saturn game with international release had a PC port, further questioning relevance of Saturn
>Online services used by nobody
>Porn games literally allowed in Japan in pitiful attempt to get salarymen dimes, causing a ROM site to list a stripping game the most downloaded Saturn game at one point
>Existence pretty much erased from Sega's official history books outside Japan as a result of tanking Sega's console chances

>>7070889
Playstation Xmen vs Street fighter was just as good as Saturns

>>7070883

just about everything except for the controller and arcade ports

>>7070921
Based as fuck.

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>>7071247
>Launch Daytona USA port so badly optimized Sega Rally guys had to code a better port
It was bad.
>High reliance on arcade ports
Good. Nintendo 64 had almost zero.
>Never had a good game outside Japan or that utilizes 3D capabilities
Another shame. I thought Saturn looked decent, especially my copies of Virtua Cop, Sega Rally, Panzer Dragoon etc

>>7071264
Playstation
>no free tag
>dropped animations everywhere
>NOW LOADING...
>even the fucking announcer is slowed down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2C-jpMQmFY

>>7071329
>NOW LOADING...
Lol

I was just joking around. Playstation was so shit at 2d. Although I still enjoyed it despite being severely flawed and missing the true 2v2 feature of Xmen.

>>7070883
Pretty much everything. Consumer-division SEGA were not ready for the advent of 3D gaming and got fucked by Sony's superior hardware.

>>7071484
Not really the case. Yes, 3d graphics on the Saturn are hideous, but they are on the Playstation too. All it boils down to is Playstation was cheaper, had more games, and multiplatform games ran generally better on it.

Wasn't it because Sega decided to lean hard into 2D instead of 3D? And Sega of America had that cocksucker who didn't want to bring games to the West UNLESS they were 3D?

>>7071514
No. The Sega Saturn was 100 dollars more than the Playstation and had a garbage game library.

>>7071517
>100 dollars more than the Playstation

Shit, I fucking love the Saturn but What Were They Thinking?

>>7071524
It cost a lot to make. Sega wasn't a megacorp that could sell at a loss. It is the same reason Nintendo's consoles have drawbacks that seem pointless, like the low clock speed on the SNES and lack of texture memory on the N64. Except that Nintendo was able to sell the N64 for cheap and had killer first party games, so it was able to compete the Playstation despite Sony's huge headstart. Sega was more expensive and their first party games were either weird experimental Japanese titles or American shovelware. Nothing in between.

Honestly based on my experience of having lived through that era I don't think I ever even heard about the Saturn. I knew of the Genesis. I knew of the Playstation that had just came out, and had played it multiple times at demo units in stores (but I was a "wait for N64" Nintendie), but I didn't hear about the Saturn until the PS2 was already out.

>>7071524
They had no choice. Two admittedly good processors working in tandem over work RAM that was separated as 1MB synchronous and 1MB asynchronous banks. A video subsystem that had two separate processors each with their own RAM buses and two 256k front and back buffer chips which resulted in unused/wasted space. An overbuilt and underused sound subsystem and an overbuilt and underused CD management subsystem.

Sony had to make guesses as to what would be required from next-gen, three-dimensional games and executed it near perfectly in hardware. It was cheaper to produce and gave developers the most bang for their buck when creating games.

Nintendo's and Sega's offerings had certain aspects that were better than the competition, but on the whole fell short as an integrated unit. The Saturn launched for $100 more and they were probably still losing more money on every console sold than Sony. There was no way for Sega to win the generation, let alone carve out a niche and remain profitable.

Sega of America fucked up massively with the surprise early launch, which pissed off game devs whose games weren't ready yet, and pissed off retailers who weren't ready to sell it yet. I believe KB Toys actually got rid of all their Sega merch and started selling Nintendo stuff instead.

....and yeah, PS1 being announced at a cheaper price point didn't help.

>>7071389
>Playstation was so shit at 2d
is SOTN a joke to you?

>>7071607
It looks fine, but It isn't really doing anything impressive for a 5th gen game.

>>7071607
SOTN looks like a really nice SNES game with good 3d effects,

>>7071559
>weird experimental Japanese titles or American shovelware. Nothing in between.
Lol

Its such a shame Dreamcast got nearly everything right and still failed.

>>7071607
Looks better on a Sega Saturn.

>>7070883
barely had any good games and most of those good games were japan exclusives or on pc as well

I loved my saturn, wtf you talking about?

>>7070883
Not much, really. The Sega Saturn is by far my most favorite Sega system. It came at the right time in a situation where everyone wants PlayStation titles, such that all the Saturn games were in bargain bins, which helps out destitute gamers like myself. With the cheap bargains, it allowed me to play a lot of great games, and to this day the Saturn has the 2nd most titles I have for any console dwarfed only by the 360 and all its downloaded titles. As much hate Sega and Sega games gets on this board, I find their games on the system suits my taste in games well.

i like that the sat was a spiritual pce succesdor, lots bishoujo galge and anime games , fighters and shmups

>expensive
>under performing
>competition
>small library
>inventory issues
>market weary after 32x/CD shenanigans

>>7071607
>is SOTN a joke to you?
Yes.
It uses polygons for its models and not true sprites. And its true for every "2D"-game on PSX.