/vr/ - Retro Games

such hot takes, you are definitely smarter than most people, OP, congratulations.

>>7066017
>mostly wrong opinions

N64 blur unironically looks better than PSX jiggle/texture warping. PSX textures honestly look like deep fried memes sometimes.

>>7066028
this is your brain on nintendo

Emulation is almost always superior for the average user compared to the real hardware, the only exceptions are where the game won't run properly in the emulator (gets less frequent over time as emulators mature) or where there's some non-easily reproduced gimmick to the console that is integral to the game

>>7066028
The only time I could see myself wanting to remove the N64's blur/AA is if I had some kind of crazy broadcast monitor with thick as fuck scanlines, as a 240p signal with 3D graphics is basically AA'd by them inherently. Otherwise, composite/s-video on a Toshiba or an RCA consumer set is fine for the rest of us.
>>7066664
This, doubly so for hardware emulation. Nothing wrong with original hardware but it's good to recognize it's limitations (slowdown, color-depth, etc). I actually think the PlayStation tends to have better graphics than the N64 when you give it texture filtering (like you can when you play them on PlayStation 2) and fix the z-buffer issue. On a related note: I've noticed emulators develop things like HD Mode 7 (pic related) and even some widescreen hacks for the likes of Link to the Past and Super Metroid, which makes me wonder if there's some way in emulation to change the SNES' resolution just enough for it to fill the full 320x240 progressive of an SD CRT (closer to what Sega had with the Mega Drive).

Savestates are cheating
RPGs shouldn’t let any character be any class
Emulation is for thirdworlders
Sequels are almost always worse than the original
The optimal amount of face buttons is three
Sixth gen isn’t retro

>>7066017
>RE4 is the best Resident Evil game
>Metal Gear Solid is boring
>Mother 3 was never good

>>7067628
>Savestates are cheating
Most people don't believe this?
>>7067634
Mother 3 is garbage and it's greatest legacy will be it's persistent and annoying proponents. Mother 1 is pretty uninteresting. Mother 2/Earthbound is halfway decent, but is way outclassed by it's contemporaries on the same console. Which is a shame because I adore the potential behind the idea of "JRPG with relatively modern setting while still retaining many of the same tropes just with different window dressing" is great, but it'll be permanently associated with the Earthbound fandom no matter what it tries to do to distinguish itself and stand apart.

Sonic CD is easily better than Sonic 1.

There's no reason to play NES JRPGs, with the possible exception of Sweet Home. All the other ones have superior sequels or remakes

Great Giana Sisters on the C64 was better than the original Super Mario Bros on the NES.

The Zelda series, in order of quality and entertainment value goes
Oracle games >
Links Awakening > Majora's > BOTW > ALTTP > Twighlight >Ocarina > Everything else

>>7068518
It’s more of the same but better as opposed to 2 which was Green Hill Zone every level.

>>7066017
>the Sega CD had every right to exist, I feel like the 32X has tarnished its legacy merely by-association
>coomlecting is stupid, I plan to give my collection up to my nephews or something once I have flashcarts for all my consoles
>softmodded Wii and PSP are by-far the best entrypoints to retro vidya for newcomers
>OG hardware is great and all, but emulation needs to be valued as the only viable way many games are going to be playable in the future whether we like it or not, think of them as video codecs for older vidya on newer hardware- it's not like every film enthusiast out there is gonna have 8MM film projectors and reels on-hand

3D and its consequences have been a disaster for videogames.

>>7070865
based

>>7066017
>Atari games/consoles are & always were awful
You should check out Pitfall
>CRTs will be manufactured again
I wish.
>>7066664
>Emulation is almost always superior for the average user compared to the real hardware
Emulation is good for its ease of use. I would much rather play on the real mccoy if it wasn't such a hassle to set up.
>>7070865
>3D and its consequences have been a disaster for videogames.
LOL. Based.


I'd chime in with 99% of JRPG suck but thats not unpopular here at all.

Doom was just some PC game and never that impressive to me especially when there were games like Daytona USA released around the same time.

>>7068518
That's a bog-standard opinion.

As for me:
>input lag has never actually mattered for a single /vr/tard that ever brought it up
>DKC3 is better than DKC1 (although the latter is more iconic)
>Yoshi's Island is one of the most overrated games of all time
>A runner-up is Blood, which is better than neither Duke Nukem 3D nor Quake
>Quake 2 is bland, but the people who shit all over it haven't played it
>There is no noticeable jump in quality between Doom's first episode and its second/third
>Contra 3's top-down stages are the funnest parts of the game (which, to be clear, rocks)

>>7070946
>input lag has never actually mattered for a single /vr/tard that ever brought it up
Have you played Wii U e-shop Mario 64?, I know this is just poor emulation but its the same as a laggy monitor.

>>7070946
Yoshi's island is the best platformer on snes my dude

>>7070960
>I had this problem that isn't input lag thus you're wrong about input lag
How did I know that opinion in particular would draw out fools?

>>7070971
*DKC2 blocks your path*
My point that Yoshi's is fucking overrated proven, thanks anon.

>>7070975
Any platformer is infinitely harder with just a tiny amount of lag. You use a CRT to retro don't you, Anon?
>>7070971
Yoshis island blows. Having to aim eggs, chasing that baby and just moving about isn't as smooth as Super Mario World.

>>7070993
You are a lying motherfucker. I beat Ninja Gaiden NES on the Switch, which your autistic self would allege has an unacceptable amount of input lag from joycon to system to my flatscreen. The game was EASIER than I remember. Go home.

>>7071037
Anyone into smash will play on a CRT. Even the battlestation thread here shows most of the boys run CRT televisions.
NES Mario 2 is superior to 3. Maybe.

>>7070971
Yoshi's Island is awful.

Unless you're using an LCD TV from 2006 you should not have to worry about input lag.

>>7066017
>Wrong
>Source needed
>Plain contrarianism
>Idk zelda sucks
>Anything would be a better mascot than a bland italian plumber, even the scuffed Pac-Man you mentioned
>Pokèmon was always overrated to begin with, Digimon, Monster Rancher and Shin Megami Tensei were way better collect-'em-all-athons
>Imagine actually believing this

Sonic has always sucked because its two gameplay modes - gotta go fast momentum platform racing and exploration - are completely at odds with each other. It's an awkward combination and it's fucking tiresome to play. The positives of Sonic's design are grossly overstated because he was an icon of the 90s video game boom, and he's been coasting on this good will ever since. Sonic isn't mismanaged - it's always been a shitty series.

>>7066017
Do we really need a general thread to jerk off people being hipsters? Almost every thread on /vr/ is just that anyways

>>7071402
>Digimon, Monster Rancher and Shin Megami Tensei
None of these are about 'collecting monsters'. I wish you shit posters at least played the games you bitch about non-stop

>>7066017
wario > kirby-o

>>7066017
Master system has better games than the nes

>>7071087
>t. had an Amiga and a Mega Drive as a kid

>>7071471
Weird way to say you've never played those games

>>7071523
Digimon and Monster Rancher are about raising one monster, not catching dozens or trying to collect them all.
SMT is more like an FF or DQ game then it is anything like SMT. Just because you can recruit demons to join your team doesn't mean that your goal is to collect all of them or that they're 'collect-em-all-athons' like that retard who doesn't even know what he's talking about is trying to claim.

>>7071523
Digimon and Monster Rancher are about raising one monster, not catching dozens or trying to collect them all.
SMT is more like an FF or DQ game then it is anything like Pokemon. Just because you can recruit demons to join your team doesn't mean that your goal is to collect all of them or that they're 'collect-em-all-athons' like that retard who doesn't even know what he's talking about is trying to claim.
At least pretend to know what you're talking about.

>>7071528
>He didn't try to collect every monster from MR
sad to be you zuumlet

>>7070946
True
They're on par
Only overrated because of some bullshit urban legend about Miyamoto hating DKC
Reviews at the time rated it properly and still do (ie a fun shooter that's hard as balls)
True
Literally as mainstream as you can get involving Doom's maps. Shareware computer games at the time would have all of the best parts at the beginning to entice you into buying a full version of mostly the same shit.

>>7070946
>t. zoom zoom that never had a CRT

>>7071531
>hurr durr i'm gonna pretend I wasn't BTFO
pathetic

>>7071587
nigger, you're the one getting btfo'd. You're so clueless you don't even know that in MR the more you get new monsters the more infos about them you unlock. But considering you've never played the game I can understand where your autism comes from

>>7071629
Oh golly, you get new monsters sometimes! That's totally the same as a game built around collecting as many as possible! Not to mention you just ignored that I BTFO you out over SMT and Digimon.
Just fuck off

>>7071650
Enough with the "no u", you are making yourself ridiculous.

>>7071414
100%. at least in sonic adventure you can see where you're going

>>7071037
your tv might just have a good response time. i have some crappy amazon smart tv and super mario bros feels like shit on it. and obviously a game like beatmania iidx is a no-go

>>7071658
>you are making yourself ridiculous.
You've already done that though, retarded shit poster.

>>7071764
>no u
Thanks for confirming my point

>>7066017
Anti-dithering makes games look worse
Mario 2 (USA) is the best NES Mario game

>>7071402
>Zelda sucks
into the trash this post goes

>>7072034
seething

I think the first Silent Hill is the best one out of the original series.
Best level design, best enemy design, best atmosphere and ambience. It's just a great fucking game in general. It has the best hard difficulty mode too, at least as the ones from the series go.

The others are worth playing but they don't really compare to the first one.

>>7066017
>Pokémon had the makings of a great franchise, you can see glimpses of it's potential through the glaring and obvious flaws of the first two generations (and to a lesser extent, the third), but from the DS onward it was all down-hill
This is unpopular? Everyone knows the biggest problem with Pokemon is GameFreak owning a third of the IP and lording over it despite not really giving a fuck about it anymore, because they know damn well it's the only think keeping them alive. If someone ever manages to pry Pokemon from GameFreak's clammy grasps then it could become amazing. This is why I like Colosseum and XD so much. They're like a glimpse into an alternate reality where a competent company owns Pokemon instead of GameFreak.
>>7066664
I would agree with this - provided we're talking about playing on an actual CRT or at least a good CRT filter, and at native resolution. Lots of old games look too clean when rendered at 4k on a flatscreen. As far as the actual console hardware goes, there's little reason to use it. But I can't help but feel people are onto something when they say emulation feels "soulless". Not because of the emulation itself, but because people tend to emulate on large, modern, high-res screens which accentuate the flaws and warts of the primitive graphics, whereas CRTs masked those flaws.

>>7066017
>Pokémon had the makings of a great franchise, you can see glimpses of it's potential through the glaring and obvious flaws of the first two generations (and to a lesser extent, the third), but from the DS onward it was all down-hill
>>CRTs will be manufactured again (see: nixie tubes and cassette tapes), environmental regulations be damned, but only in a few decades as a high-price boutique commodity for nerds with money
Absolutely

>>7073003
Itsva toss up between 1 and 2, they both have their advantages over the other to me, but the one I'll never understand the obsession over is 3. I mean I still like it, but it's a weak entry imo. Story and characters and kinda weak and without much depth thematically. Is it just because people want to waifu Heather ie something?

>>7074730
yes
it has some cool setpieces though like the hospital and the amusement park, and I'd argue it actually has the best survival horror gameplay in the series, at least when it comes to resource management. Although I've heard of people who have beaten the game with just melee, so I dunno.

Also the visuals. Maybe they don't mean much nowadays, but damn. I played the game this year and there were parts where I couldn't believe it was a fucking PS2 game. Just what kind of magic was Konami playing with at the time?

>>7073003
The first Silent Hill is the best, easily. I like the second one a lot, but hate how every game after it is largely derivative of it (pyramid head and et cetera)

>>7066017
I would give my left nut for a current gen parasite eve remake (o remaster)

Random battles are good game design.

>>7066017
Atari games can be pretty good, frogger, pitfall 2, yar revenge, jr pac man, tapper and cosmic swarm are pretty good for 2600. As for hardware the atari st could beat a pc for a while and the Lynx has scaling graphics.