/vr/ - Retro Games

crt-royale in Super Metroid

>>7062520
If anyone has any tips for what I can do to improve the image further, please let me know. I'm very new to this.

>>7062521
When it comes to shaders "improvements" are pretty subjective, because not all CRTs looked the same.
For the most part you should just fuck around with them for fun and see what appeals to you the most. Your preferred shader will also likely change between games and consoles.

I've got my eyes on the PCSX2 core they're developing. Will be interesting if it ends up easier to use then the standalone program because they're technically re-writing the whole thing for 64-bit.

>>7062519
>>7062520
>>7062521
Yeah your resolution is off, try changing the resolution to 1280 x 960, it will cut off a few pixels on top and bottom but the shader will look correct also don’t use inbuilt screenshots if you go beyond resolution as it will crash, just use print screen

>>7062549
That helped a lot, thanks.

Shame about inbuilt screenshots not working, though. It was very convenient to have them placed in the folder where my ROM is located.

print screening shit is kinda fucky though, there's a noticeably large delay when pressing it and getting a screenshot. Samus is missing here but I just took damage so I assume that's the flickering.

>>7062562

>>7062563

>>7062562
Yeah it’s unfortunate but that’s just how it is, the program can’t capture beyond the screens resolution
>>7062571
Also I recommend trying a different shader here, I don’t think Royale works well at 480p, try the mame preset in crt folder

>>7062695
Yeah, I was thinking the same. This is the mame preset, looks pretty nice.

>>7062695
geom-deluxe looks pretty good too, but it has those curves on the side. Would be nice if I was using a 4:3 display.

For dolphin I'm just using my standard resolution, as with 1280x690 things were getting cut out.

>PS2 core
COOM.

Reminder that PCSX2 upscales ***x448 games to full 480p.

>>7062818
If you go into shader parameters, you can adjust them very easily so you can turn off the curvature

>>7062853
480i isn’t it?

>>7062929
480p since you're playing on a modern PC. The point is that there is no integer scaling option for us CRTbros unless you manually resize the window to native res and manually change the monitor resolution to one with overscan since most VGA screens don't go down to 448.

Normalfags only care about muh 4K.

>>7062520
Thanks now i'm blind, dude just use blargg's shaders

>>7062961
Right but most ps2 games can’t output progressive regardless if it’s emulated or not, it’s part of the system

I want to thank the guy that told me to check the ntsc in the shader folder, it had some decent presets.

Have they recovered from their hack a while back? Can you download cores and do netplay?

>>7062519
>and now for something completely different
>I put the zoom in zoomie
yikes

>>7063950
Libretro is the movement. Judgemental cowards just gotta use it.

>>7063902
They only lost some minor things from the hack, now the online features are all functional.

>>7062521
Enable integer scale in Settings > Scaling.

>>7063960
It's a movement all right. Not as impressive as the one I just had though.#rekttheplumbing

>>7064014
Keep your fetish posting on twitter, tranny.

I'm having resolution issues too. I went from an older 32" 1080p display to a newer 27" 1080p and my scanlines are all wrong now, like they have obvious banding and yes, I know about scaling and on or off it doesn't change that they look terrible now when they were perfect before.

Also it used to save as 1440x1080 for screenshots, but now it's 1280x960 for some reason. I have no idea why a simple monitor swap is causing these issues.

>>7063992
That's good to hear. Thanks

>>7064017
Share you crypto gay insecurities here, numale. I love shitting on projecting trannies. Figuratively. Wouldn't shit on you if you paid me.

>>7064585
Why would anyone want to be shit on?

>>7064591
>why would anyone not know how to use the intarwebs?
They might be a baby

>>7063537
Yeah, crt-royale is quite "in your face" and blurry, but with the addition of the s-video shader, it looks pretty close to how it looked on my CRT tvs back then. The blur is perfectly acceptable to me. The bloom is what I think it's overly exaggerated.

>>7064005
Will do, thank you.

how can i play mame games ? i download game and its file with alot of wierd files and there are no rom , when i chose one it doesnt run

>>7062521
use xm29plus-royale instead of stock crt-royale

>>7065082
I feel like this preset goes overboard with the saturation, applying blargg's s-video shader on top of it desaturates it enough to where it looks very nice, however.

>>7065085
you can adjust saturation in shader's parameters

>>7065085

>>7065071
Mame is a bit fucky, best to read an faq on mame before you use it
>>7065082
This is pretty good, if you go to the directory and change the name of the lut file it fixes the colours of you don’t like the pinkish hue to it
>>7065047
Not sure which preset you’re using but it looks awfully grainy for some reason

>>7065091
I can't really tell if the grainy aspect is just the screenshots, because when I'm actually playing it looks perfectly fine. At this point I don't think I can even notice the scanlines anymore.

>>7065097
Here's a pic of mine for comparison, it's what I prefer but it might be a bit too blurry for some

>>7065113
Yours looks good. The more I mess with these filters the more I enjoy actually playing games like this, getting closer to that "feel" of playing on original hardware.

Not really sure what's the best for Gamecube emulation, right now I'm using the mame shader and with some tweaks it feels fine.

>>7065129
like this you mean?

>>7062520
>>7062521
>>7062562
Maybe I just have terrible memory, but I don't remember any of my TVs looking close to any of these. Still, they look pretty cool, but they feel kind of fake to me.

>>7065280
I think only old CRTs did and possibly if you stayed close to their screen, i don't think mine even had visible scanlines, you could see the shadow mask if you were close enough though.

>>7065280
there are a few factors to that i think
were you PAL or NTSC. did you ever use anything clearer than a composite cable, how close are you sitting to the image
look at >>7065113 in a new window at full size and sit back about a metre

>>7065280
They are definitely not as close as I remember either, but I'll take it over something that's stretched or upscaled too much, even if it's fake it still adds that depth I remember from playing on CRTs. If I could, I would definitely be playing on an actual CRT.

>>7065264
Kinda, but it's close enough.

>>7065287
I've had a lot of CRTs over the year and it seems to vary a lot from CRT to CRT, sometimes they're easily visible sometimes they're not.

>>7065291
here you go if you want to use it, it's very editable as well, allows for multiple different masks, it's the same one as the super metroid one but different parameters https://files.catbox.moe/3hxzai.slangp

A crt filter DOES NOT have to replicate a real CRT as accurately as possible, it just has to make the picture better. Simple as.

>>7065297
Apppreciate it. I'll try it out and tinker with it.

>>7065301
If it is named after an actual monitor model or is called crt royale I disagree.

>>7065431
that's fine, you don't have to agree

>>7065301
This, if it causes eye strain you are doing it wrong.

>>7062521
I'd remove that bloom, it'll already look a lot better

>>7062519
>1600x900 is fucky for Royale
Yep. 4K + integer scaling is about where you need to be not to get uneven scanline artifacts on solid colors.

I tried PCSX2 core and rn it's ass, sound often stutters, games glitch out and a lot of options are missing
I'm running a 8700k gtx1080 before you ask

>>7065643
It’s out?
I don’t think they’d release it in that state, do you have it set on vulkan?

>>7065654
https://github.com/aliaspider/pcsx2/releases

pcsx2 doesn't work with vk of course
dx11 didn't work for me as well, only ogl

>>7065280
Not TVs ever looked like that. That's emubaby cringe

>>7065681
CRT filters > real CRTs

>>7065681
>>7065692
Why are you two trying to turn this into an argument? If I had a CRT I would play on it. If I didn't want to play on a CRT I wouldn't go out of my way to use filters.

>Not TVs ever looked like that. That's emubaby cringe

I literally grew up collecting CRTs and comparing vidya between them, I know what they look like. Screenshots are not fully representative of what I'm seeing in-game anyway.

>>7065664
Isn’t this still really early build?
I’ll have to try it tomorrow as I have a similar setup to you

>>7065129
>>7065264
>>7065291
CRT filters on 6th gen games is fucking retarded. Most of those games render internally at 480p.

>>7065748
I don't care if it's retarded, it's how I played it back then so it's how I wish to play it now.

>>7065748
Not really, it makes textures look nicer and it helps a lot of aliasing without needing to crank up the internal resolution

>>7065664
are you on windows 7? they recently broke windows 7 support for the dx renderer and don't plan to fix it, so that's probably happening with the retroarch core too

I have both a component-in consumer CRT and an LG OLED. The OLED with shaders wins hands fucking down.

Have fun with geometry, shitty resolution for doing anything outside of the games, and if you fell for the transcoder 240p component meme have fun with overscan issues out the ass between different vertical resolutions. It's good for a project to busy your hands with and to circle jerk with people in CRT generals but come on... these things fucking suck and you know it.

>>7065767
you don't really *need* dx11 for pcsx2 unless you're running an ayymd GPU, I recall only one instance in which it provided for a better experience than ogl, was in Ace Combat 4 iirc. And of course I'm on w10

>>7065747
well duh yes it is, it's not even out for beta, I'm just saying it's waaay off from release
software renderer doesn't work as well

>>7065751
>it's how I played it back then so it's how I wish to play it now.
You're playing on a PC in software that gives you all sorts of additional tweaks that the real console didn't have. You're not remotely playing in an environment like you did on whatever cheap CRT you had as a kid.
>>7065763
>it makes textures look nicer
Nope
>it helps a lot of aliasing without needing to crank up the internal resolution
Also no, you're just getting jaggies lining up with the pixel grid.

These games were developed when component cables were available, and some games, like PS2 and Xbox, were supporting HD resolutions. Emulating a shitty 480i output is for niggers.

>>7065793
>Emulating a shitty 480i output is for niggers.
PS2 is inherently interlaced, your argument is invalid.

>>7065806
You can work around that with de-interlacing or game patching.

>>7065806
Majority of PS2 games render at progressive resolutions internally, only a few outliers are natively interlaced like RR5, so I'm sorry to say you're an uninformed zoomer nigger.

>>7065793
What a shit opinion, the beauty of emulation is you can do whatever the fuck you want
So enjoy your games however you want and stop telling others they’re wrong for having different tastes

>>7065829
this
but i still think that people that play ps2 games in 4k and shit are uniformly brazillian youtubers

>>7065840
thinking is not your forte apparently

>>7065829
And I can tell you you're use of shaders is gay and looks like shit. So you can deal with being told you're shaders aren't doing certain games any favors other than making them look lke they're under a screen door.
>>7065840
And people who play with shaders are uniformly underage zoomer niggers.

>>7065848
>you're
ok /user/ronaldo69juegos

>>7065793
Why are you being such an asshole about it? Making assumptions like "whatever cheap CRT you had as a kid.".

It baffles me how you're getting this worked up over how someone chooses to enjoy their game. I'm a grown ass adult, you can keep pretending like you're not a child but with the way you post you're most definitely underaged. Stop posting and go back to /v/ instead of shitting up a thread because "waah thing I don't like".

>>7065848
Ask me how I know you like Nintendo.

>>7065859
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BE NICE YOU CANT SAY NEGATIVE THINGS
Stop posting shaders then or use better ones. This isn't reddit where we're supposed to be "nice" about everything. These shaders look like shit, and unless you can come up with a legit argument for using them that isn't
>muh nostalgia
>muh makes game look good even when it doesn't
You're going to get called out. The shaders only really look good on 240p games, not 6th gen titles. The RECV screenshots you posted look especially horrendous.
>>7065857
Compared to the amount of spelling mistakes the average anon makes these days, using the wrong "their" is nothing.

>>7062519
One of the most unnecessarily bloated pieces of software I've ever seen.

>>7065874
>>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BE NICE YOU CANT SAY NEGATIVE THINGS

Funny how you cry about reddit yet you type like the typical underaged "zoomer" you'll find on those sites. Nobody likes you unfunny shitstains. This is a small and slow board, of course nobody wants someone like you shitting it up.

>These shaders look like shit, and unless you can come up with a legit argument for using them that isn't
>>muh nostalgia
>>muh makes game look good even when it doesn't

Those shaders look like shit.... to you. Your strawmans won't change how I feel about it nor will any argument I have actually change your mind.

>>>/v/

>>7065768
I have a brand new sony oled and a fv310. I'd still give the edge to the crt for old games just because of the perfect motion clarity, light guns, and the fact that everything "just works" when you plug it in without fussing with configurations. That being said I've taken a definite liking to playing ps1 stuff on my nvidia shield lately.

Does anyone here use retroarch on a shield? I'm always confused about whether or not I'm running a game at 4K. The shield's main output res is set to 4k but the video scaling options in RA i usually have at 5x integer scale or ~1600x1200. When i move it any further it just starts rendering the game as a window that starts overscanning instead of rendering at a higher res but scaled to fit, conversely if I set it to like, 720p its a tiny window in the middle of the screen. Is there a way to toggle always centering the output regardless of resolution?

>>7065903
integer scaling on a 4k display is utterly pointless

>>7065923
Idk i still get wavy uneven scanlines if i leave it on default settings, enabling integer scaling fixes it, if there's a better way id love to know

>>7065748
I think it looks ugly too, upscaling them has literally no downsides, it looks good

>>7065903
I suppose that's my deal. For everything /vr/ related I'd just rather emulate. The only things I'll ever put on my CRT are PS2 and my Groovymame/Retroarch PC via component +transcoder.

>>7065940
>>7065923
What he said. You still wanna integer scale anyway, unless you're using a shader to iron the jagged, uneven pixels subtly like smuberstep/smoothstep because there will be some slight shimmer. With scanline/CRT shaders it'll like shit on any solid colors without int scaling.

Just don't bilinear filter. Don't ever do that.

>>7065940
As for "a better way" I've noticed, at least on higher resolutions like 4K, that you can do away with a lot of the obvious unevenness by messing with the mask/grill settings.

>>7065748
LCDs didnt even start to tie with CRT sales until all the way in 2007. CRTs were absolutely still the majority in 6th gen, by a long shot.

>>7065714
>I literally grew up
>says the underage redditot
Yikes

>>7065793
>Nope
>Also no, you're just getting jaggies lining up with the pixel grid.
yes, it also makes FMVs look nicer

>>7067105

>>7065280
im posting on a crt monitor rn and there literally are no scanlines unless you take a pic with your phone

>>7067143
what resolution are you using?
scanlines are only there when you view 240p because it's only showing every second line on a 480 display

>>7062519
who wants to tell me how to make a USB controller work on retroarch Wii via HID?
there's no documentation on this at all, and some people claim it doesn't work at all on newer versions.

>>7067157
the lowest i can go is 800x600

>>7067165
and I'm guessing it's only a small monitor too?
yeah that's the reason you can't see anything even close up
also pc monitors aren't 15khz so it's kind of hard to compare with TV's

>>7067172
even consumer grade tvs wont have visible scanlines due to bloom and other shit i do not understand. Perfect black scanlines are shit people who've seen only pvms expect

>>7067197
look at >>7065113 and sit back a metre

i am fart

>>7062519
HSM Shaders are awesome.

>>7067262
borders, geometric distortion = cringe

>>7067263
[insert something you like] sucks.

>>7067268
I like xm29+
it gives the image a warmish tint due to LUT, but it makes the picture better

>>7067273
you can change the LUT if you go to the folder alter the name of the LUT file

>>7067273
yeah, that. It sucks.

>>7067280
Yes I'm using a LUTless preset for some games that already are overbearingly saturated/orange visually like vagrant story, and stock for everything else
>>7067283
cope

>>7062519
on resident evil 2 i can just rename the save file to play b scenario right it gives one for each disc even if i load through m3u

>>7065643
>>7065664
OK I tested it out, it definitely works on dx mode but yeah the gl is struggling
definitely very early build

>>7067576
did software rendering work for you? one of the main incentive in using retroarch instead of standalone is crt shaders and obviously they're best with software mode

>>7067680
I tested dirge of cerberus and it got to the square enix splash screen before crashing

>>7062519
>Also, PCSX2 is being added soon.
Oh, sweet.
Always felt it was sorely missing with it being such a huge system

>>7062519
>Still haven't added the dolphin core back

>>7067787
just download it from the github

I tried to install it on my PS3, but this fucker doesn't want to collaborate

>Been doing some of the Retroarch Achievements
Don't know why just fun to go back and try some of those things out. Always fun seeing an achievement on beating a boss or something in a way I never knew about or force me to play a certain style I'm not use to. Not really into the annoying ones but most of them are just a fun extra to do while playing.