/vr/ - Retro Games

they're inimitable and quintessentially video game

>>7058881
Sonic games sound good, but yes, some sound awful in a special way that only Genesis games can.

If multiplatform, I prefer the SNES sound.

>The Genesis sounds bad
Could you try harder to be more retarded?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC0QDkKKZP0&list=PLB7298FFFFB14A1B6&index=15

>>7058881
>Game has a kino techno soundtrack and crunchy sound effects
Yep, you won't be hearing this on those faggy super nintendo sample sounds

>>7058881
I think a lot of music sounds great on the mega drive
The problem is they all sound similar and don’t have as much variety as the SNES
Also sound effects were miles better on the SNES

>>7058881
This effectively boils down to FM Synthesis vs sampling for sound and sound effects (though the Mega Drive could utilize a single one of its FM channels for sampling) and I personally think the former can sound better, but with the caveat that it has to play to its strengths.

Example: the harp sounds in the first video and the whistle sounds in the second
https://youtu.be/rzI7jXxXzdI
https://youtu.be/Pa9xdH4MSp8

>>7058881
They're farts, not burps, thank you very much.

Genesis sounds like how a real video game should sound

SNES sounds like you're playing midis on a PC but with really shitty sound hardware

>>7058901
soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-UzZz8bqUI
soulless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-NdII-GGGg

>>7058881
Every SNES vs Genesis video on youtube is cringe. Didn't AVGN once say SNES had better beat em ups since he liked SNES Final fight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtHUxCExsRY&list=PLC07EBC6571E991CD&index=1

Yes, Genesis sounds better than your SNES.

>>7059109
That's how pretty much every comparison goes. SNES only sounds better if its Western developed shovelware from the likes of EA. In which, yes, it sounds better on the SNES, but is a garbage game on any platform.

>>7058881
Loud and tinny is best

>>7059081
No, these are farts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ZGIug00aM

>>7058881
People make Genesis remixes all the time but have you ever seen a SNES remix?

>>7059070
It can sound great but the people making it need to know what they're doing. Using canned sounds from GEMS by somebody who didn't know what they were doing is what gave the music a bad name.

>>7058881
Gen-X here. I absolutely love it. My fav system.

>>7059145
nobody makes them because the snes sounds like dog shit and everyone knows it. It's just samples at a god awful low bitrate and literally everything else does this better.

>>7058978
But what if I sample nothing but edgy tryhard crunch sound effects?

Checkmate segacuck, Segcan't What Nintencando

>>7059145
No good ones.

>>7059070
That National Park Genesis theme sounded so fucking beautiful.

>>7059185
> National Park Genesis
Is that some kind of Evangelion spinoff?

>>7058938
so glad music from Trouble Shooter Vintage got linked first.

>>7058881
https://youtu.be/rRyy0yn2Qx8

Get fucked.

>>7059185
Here, have some more:
https://youtu.be/Wb-UYeba5SY
https://youtu.be/fFiPInTbjfA

>>7058881
>console wars
wow i thought only i knew of this cringe kino channel

>>7059145
why do you think people made remixes of them in the first place? obviously the genesis originals sounded shite to begin with

>>7059445
Earthworm Jim in unplayable on SNES if you've played it on Genesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H4fJgTyUCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wnnONUUTJw&t=22s

Stage 5 of Earthworm Jim is also the greatest underwater level of any game, ever.

>>7058881
The actual music sounds better but the sound effects are cucked. Why does every Genesis game have the same explosion noise?

>>7059424
>Cringe kino

Literally make some of the best gaming videos ever. The fuck?

>>7059445
/thread

>>7058881

>>7059070
Music is fine on genesis but it all still sounds so similar and when playing the games sound effects are just trash on MD

>>7059646
Except for their awful skits. I get the dudes are just having some fun but it is god awful.

>>7059501
>no lowpass filter
anon cmon now

>>7060254
Thank you for contributing

>>7059646
>>7060263
I don't know that arguing over which awful piece of shovelware is better is fun.

>>7059145
maybe an ignorant post but isn't it easier to make new patches for the genesis soundchip than to sample new sounds for the snes? all the snes remixes i have heard seemed to have samples from other games. so these remix comparisons don't seem fair to me

>>7059145
what are you even talking about?

>>7060269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtRO-9IyCgk

>>7060280
You can sample anything on the SNES. It is limited by storage. The reason that snes remixes you hear suck is because the people making them don't have any skills beyond ripping the sounds from Megaman X.

>>7060283
Thank you, see you next time!

>>7060269
>>7060293
wow I can almost hear the twangs and farts in this post

>>7060297
Need some cream for that butthurt?

>>7060302
>let me just cut all those sound channels for a fart sound effect bro

>>7060302
Yeech, so many negative vibes. Get that anal ointment already. Report back when you're better.

>>7060310
Yeech, so many negative vibes. Get that anal ointment already. Report back when you're better.

>>7060321
at least use your dated memes right that shit doesn't even make sense

>>7060310
do you know anything about the tech you ape?
also:
>bro
why do americans say this cringy stuff?

>>7060335
see now this is where you should use your butthurt memes
>>7060321

>>7060334
See ya around anon.

I think people overrate the Genesis sound capabilities because they have access to nearly 30 years worth of practice and modern development tools to make it easier to work with.
You should try to look at things from a contemporary standpoint.
Obviously FM synth of the past is going to be more interesting today compared to yesterdays sampling abilities.

>>7058881
Graduating into an adult is understanding how fantastic FM Synthesis is.

>>7059501
I wouldn't know the bass line's supposed to be slapped on either of those without the Sega CD track.

>>7060254
meme opinion, snes music is the one that is samey.

>>7060859
And? the only ones who couldn't do good FM music were ameritards.

>>7062198
I'm talking about the way everything sounds, not the music
like this couldn't be done on mega drive, it would still clearly sound like the mega drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhzYkAeEus&list=PL145AE3B4D1B71E29

I like the synth FM sound of the genesis. There's some things it can do that the SNES can't do, and vice versa. The many samples the SNES had could never produce a "proper" electric guitar, something the Genesis chip could evoke better.

>>7062216
You are retarded if you think some shitty GEMS shovelware sounded the same as what a good jap composer did at the time.
Either way those sampled guitars aged like shit and sound very similar to the ones Follin or Wise did despite being different composers. FM is great because it's its own thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZP9sqHab6k

>>7062216
You are retarded if you think some shitty GEMS shovelware sounded the same as what a good jap composer did at the time.
Either way those sampled guitars aged like shit and sound very similar to the ones Follin or Wise did despite being different composers. FM is great because it's its own thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFng5qjbVVc

>>7062231
Again you’re not reading what I’m saying, that still sounds similar to most mega drive games, I’m not saying they’re not good, I love thunder force iv soundtrack and shining force but they still lack the variety that the snes has

>>7062242
>muh variety
Said the retard praising samey shitty guitar samples.

>>7062247
Samey to what?
I don’t remember hearing that sort of music in final fantasy vi or in demons crest

>>7062251
>muh fake orchestra
it's always the same with the snespigs uh

>>7062251
to other snes guitar samples, they all sound the same, the genesis can do them too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyzBtP8TQUA
good thing FM "guitars" sound much better than those.

>>7062252
>miss the entire point

>>7062270
>talk about samey guitar samples on the snes
>deflect to fake orchestras instead
Anon I think you are retarded.

>>7062273
I'm not even that other guy. It's just impressive how dense you are.

>>7062282
t. dumb fake orchestra sucker

>>7062283
Why are you this invested in console wars from 30 years ago, anon?

>>7062287
don't give a shit about console wars honestly, just use it as an excuse to preach FM superiority

>>7058881
Same could be said about the compressed muffled piss-stained shit samples that the SNES emits. Overall, the burden of sounding good does not lie on the console, but on the developer.

>>7059145
Maybe because the SNES doesn't rehash the same sounds like Genesis?
There aren't SNES remixes, there are Mega Man X, FF6 and Super Mario World remixes.

>>7062354
>Maybe because the SNES doesn't rehash the same sounds like Genesis?
yes it does and moreso than the genesis retard.

>>7062264
at 4:02 in this Skitchin' longplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaTQ2b9Wypc
it's basically the same music as this (at 1:15):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRioxNkfM4I

you really think the genesis version sounds better?

>>7062383
both sound meh, though the fm channels are fucked in the video you put.

>>7062383
>>7062383
both sound meh, though the fm channels are fucked in the video you put.
now this is some real shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mC3CFZHkM

>>7062383
both sound meh, though the fm channels are fucked in the video you put.
now this is some real shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHFn-YAfWI

>>7062472
But they don’t sound like that on the systems themselves, it’s fine you like how they sound on emulation but they need a low pass filter to sound accurate

FM synth is objectively superior to samples, even if the Mega Drive had emaciated sound due to some retarded internal revisions.

You can get absolute garbage out of FM synth, but when played to its strengths, the MD blows the SuFami out of the water. A lot of these early sound chips are effectively instruments in their own right. There's a reason people still make music for the SID chip today.

>>7062557
And people make music with gameboy too, what’s your point?
The argument here is between games on the consoles, if you think mega man x or chrono trigger has worse music than majority of mega drive games you are deluded

>>7062561
Arguing about sound based on the composers each platform had is criminally retarded. The highs of FM synth are better than anything the SuFami could manage, and Lagrange Point is the best sounding game on the Famicom for a reason.

They backed the wrong horse at the time, almost certainly because Yamaha was in Sega's pocket. The SuFami had a better sound chip than the PC Engine, but the 64k of RAM ensured that it would never sound significantly better than it in actual gameplay.

>>7062574
You aren’t even arguing about it’s implementation anymore but solely on what it’s capable of which is completely irrelevant to this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P58NsnAGoMY
Super Braptendo

>>7058881
Ok nigger https://youtu.be/Q_CxUs2ViCs

>>7058881
You've obviously never played a lot of Genesis games. The sound quality on Splatterhouse 2 & 3, plus the Streets Of Rage & Sonic games are increadible.

>akchually the Genesis sounds better than SNES guys
>[YouTube] obscure jp game that nobody played
>[YouTube] obscure jp game that nobody played
>[YouTube] obscure jp game that nobody played
>[YouTube] obscure jp game that nobody played

> fm synth has a lot of easy options to sound like shit but can manage better quality than samples in the right hands
> samples are harder to fuck up if you have decent ones but will ultimately suffer in quality and storage space
They both have strengths. The Genesis CAN sound better than the SNES but the fact is it usually doesn't. This entire argument is asinine in the extreme.

>>7058938
That song does sound nice, but there is not a lot variation in the sega sound chip. It's limits are tiny and once you leave the limits to get some variation it will sound shit. So either have only a few tracks that all sound similar or have songs that sound like a tin bucket full of donkey piss falling down the stairs with your head in it.

>>7059070
why does not a single genesis track sound this good?

>>7059118
that song has some nice parts but also some ear bleeding parts. I think some people hear sound different so they don't notice how ear bleedingly painful that song sounds in some parts.

>>7059423
here starts the problem. Yeah you have a huge control over the audio, but the problem is they all sound similar. There is a lack of certain sounds.
The genesis sounds like all bagpipes and synth organ. There is a massive lack of base and natural sounds.

>>7063138
The same reason MMBN is one of the best sounding games/serieses on the GBA. They don't obsess over trying to make the sound hardware do something it's not meant to. Almost everyone who composed for the Genesis in its time was trying to do exactly that.
The Genesis Sonic games have, like, three or four instruments total that are clearly supposed to sound like something real, and the rest is totally electronic, just supposed to sound like FM. Then you have GEMS and what do you fucking know, most of the instruments are trying to be brass or bells or woodwinds and maybe some electric guitars- because that's all FM synth can even remotely sound like- and most of it is fucking garbage.

>>7059501
the underwater song sounds almost exactly like one of the tracks in sonic spinball. I think it's level 3. Shame no one posted sonic spinballs audio yet. It's one of the best on mega drive.

https://youtu.be/921mrsdbGuU
https://youtu.be/aIxi9lPjWCE
https://youtu.be/5vicY7PmAL0
https://youtu.be/AK8r0frPykg

>>7063157
forgot to post the boss track!
https://youtu.be/6OX0k_ffVWs
https://youtu.be/sN-LofOjN0M (intro)

anyone know good tracks from cartoon games? Disney or WarnerBros?

https://youtu.be/tAzRmolEVnE
https://youtu.be/5VKaeiAwHOI

snes for comparison:
https://youtu.be/GzHJ0R98EtQ
https://youtu.be/MvEADSswaY0

https://youtu.be/Cx6zkpLoAPQ
https://youtu.be/SeUrVwImeW4
https://youtu.be/bmMhfF3oO68
https://youtu.be/Q61iD2Q1yXw

https://youtu.be/gdTR3x7C7cs

>>7058881
Not everyone likes to listen to music inside of a cave breh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luTlm7Pc1Ko

>>7063065
yeah because sor and shinobi are obscure right, retard.

>>7062543
nigger I posted real hardware recordings, you posted badly emulated shit.

>>7063134
t. dumb fake orchestra wanker

>>7063143
It's the emulator, it's mellow on the real thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=915k0mMK-Fo

>>7063134
>>7063147
t. generic fake orchestra wanker

>>7058881
genesis games actually sound 16-bit. the pseudo-realistic sampling capabilities of the snes were an advantage at the time but who plays 16-bit games for realistic sound effects? i prefer crystal clear synths from the ym2612 to compressed-to-shit "real" instrument sounds

soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wctgPxkNrYU
choking ducks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO5TaLbxtys

>>7058881
>unironically pretend
Do you even know what either word means?

OPN2 is nice, but for me it's OPL.

>>7063264
is it the emulator? I heard the mega drive had a different sound chip on a certain generation or maybe region. I had a mega drive as a kid and I found a lot of games audio awful back then too. I am confused. I've seen a corrected version of the sonic spinball options menu too. I wonder why there are those two version:
https://youtu.be/Su2E9U9csu8

>>7063573
I guess I was wrong. There is a seperate chip for sound but not different versions of it.

In this vid are some neat mega drive tracks:
https://youtu.be/dQf7Rd0vaeo

>>7063573
that's interesting. The rocket knight song in that video never sounded like that for me. The sound quality was much worse in the track I heard on my real mega drive and crt tv.

>>7063596
>The sound quality was much worse in the track I heard on my real mega drive and crt tv.
shit tv speakers, and maybe a not so good md revision

>>7063596
>>7063631
Because a real mega drive outputs at lower kHz so it’s more muffled and base, every youtube clip posted here is playing the music at a clearer range through emulation and therefore inaccurate

>>7063659
Emulators are worse than real hardware because the instruments are fucked and poorly emulated, retard. See >>7063264 >>7059118

>>7063669
It’s not, it’s literally just kHz range

>>7063674
Whatever you say retard, everyone knows md sound emulation was shit for a long time.

>>7058881
1st world problems

https://youtu.be/ihWmK0SQsjI

>>7063679
Here’s a comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msb3BOFoVrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4nQesRa-vM

>>7058881
The SNES, while technically superior, just does not sound as nice.

>>7063736
barely any difference, not even close to some of the poorly emulated shit in this thread.

Genesis music is 100% patrician.

>>7063736
barely any difference, not even close to some of the poorly emulated shit in this thread. Also some nerds mod their soundhip for higher khz if you are that concerned with it.

>>7063741
I think fact tha snes does sound effects is all you need to know it’s better
>>7063754
>barely a difference
Ok anon

>>7063736
barely any difference, not even close to some of the poorly emulated shit in this thread. Also some nerds mod their soundhip for clearer sound if you are that concerned with it.

>>7063768
>muh sound effects
even those sound worse on snes, see ewj

>>7063776
I get you’re a shitposter but there’s no more console war mate
Everyone here has both consoles and likes both systems

>>7063801
ok, keep wanking over fake orchestras and buttrock then

>>7063805
I have no idea what you are talking about, why are you so obsessed with a “fake orchestra”

>>7063824
because it's the first trash dumb snesfag rely on for """good""" music

>>7058881
Who cares

>>7063834
>>7063801

>>7058881
Why yes, I enjoy sega genesis music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1l44L30gH8

Reminder that Model 1 consoles got better sound.

>>7063065
>akchually the SNES sounds better than Genesis guys
>[Youtube] same Jarpig and Nintendo games people have posted over and over again for the last 20 years
>[youtube] same compressed wind tunnel horns and trumpets

>>7064257
b-but muh final fartasy!

>>7064257
>BRAAAP

>>7064301
ackshually snes farts are more varied and realistic

>>7064257
> jarpig
Back to your containment thread, shmupshitter.

>>7058938
at least link it being played on real hardware or nuked, instead of that noisy ass upload
https://youtu.be/uzPOwwNSOQM?t=985

>>7063232
Or Adventures of Batman & Robin or Earthworm Jim or Comix Zone...

SNES Shadowrun vs Genesis