/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7041940
As you can see by the lack of replies, nobody wants to question this notion

>>7041940
If you criticize Cringe-Life then apparently you're DwTerminator from YouTube or Alf from the 80s sitcom or something. Just shit on HL and schizos will appear to shout this at you.

>>7041940
All the guns in HL feel like shit.

>>7042570
Yeah ok Alf we know you and your buddies have been spamming this shit on the board. Everyone report this guy for spam.

>>7042557
I get accused of being random guys too when I criticize half-life and I don’t even know who they are

>>7041940
Because HL fags have a gay boner for Gaybe Newell.

what are you talking about people shit on Half-Life all the time

>>7042598
I like half life but the weapons do not feel good to use. The sound effects, the models, the animations, the shitty physics, all of it is off.
Hivehand is alright.

>>7041940
>no one is allowed to criticize
No one can stop you from criticizing anything.
>with the most passionate defenders
That'd be shmoopigs or other credit feeder genres, followed by Zelda 2 apologists, then classic RE fans, and Blood has to be up there somewhere.

Here's some uncomfortable truths about Half-Life:
>roughly half of the levels are poorly designed filler
>almost every weapon handles poorly and is unsatisfying
>the two somewhat satisfying weapons (crossbow/magnum) don't have nearly enough ammo to be regularly used
>bullet sponge hitscanners aren't fun to fight
>damage feedback is extremely poor for a game from 1998

Opposing Force fixed a lot of those issues, and is overall a much better experience. I'd even go so far as to say Blue Shift is much better than the vanilla campaign, because at least it isn't padded to the moon with garbage filler segments.

>>7042665
>then classic RE fans
You misspelled nuRE fans.

>>7042668
We both know that's not the case. Classic RE fans here have doubled down so hard on the purity spiraling that we're now seeing "REmake was never good" from them.

>>7042672
Not true. NuRE fans say that REmake was never good and NuRE fans get defensive every time anti-RE4 threads are made.

>>7041940
Can we not have this thread a million times a week?

>>7042680
Anon you're proving my point right now :^)

Why are anti HL fags so schizophrenic?

Migrate to the better thread
>>7040019

>>7042718
>migrate to my empty thread that i bumped after 25 minutes on a slow board without posting any compelling content because i'm a /v/ tourist
No thanks.

>>7042728
better than this /v/eddit bait thread

>>7042665
>>7042651
all wrong lol

>>7042686
>Why are [people i dislike] so schizophrenic?
Good question. Care to calmly and rationally refute any of the criticism posted here? I'm open to debate.

>>7042861
no you aren't.
fuck your shitty thread

>>7042732
>pip pip pip
>*grinding noises*
>KAPOW "WHOOOAAAHHH NELLIE"
>enormous lead grenade that goes 10 feet
>*WOBBLEWOBBLEWOBBLEWOBBLE* bzzt

>>7042868
autism

Has anyone actually played Halflife since 2004? Not on this board, but anywhere? I just highly doubt it.
This game was big because of Counterstrike.

>>7041940
No one said you can't criticize it. I don't think anyone's blind to its flaws. Most people think it's a pretty great and groundbreaking game, though, along with a having a lot of nostalgia for it. Expect to be challenged and derided if you if you make a WORST EVAR MUH TRAM RUINS THE WHOLE GAME shitpost about it. Sort of like when people shit on RE4 to an absurd degree.

Half Life and it's mods will still beloved and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>7042868
Underrated.
>>7042874
I attempt to replay it semi-regularly, but I usually make it to residue processing before getting sick of it and moving on to opfor.
>>7042880
The mods are far more compelling than the base game, similar to WC3 and custom maps. I can definitely appreciate HL for how many excellent mods were built off of it.

>>7042880
Zombie Panic Source + No More Room in Hell are both better than the shitty left4dead games.

Portal games are too easy.

CS:GO ruined the franchise.

Half-Life has almost no replayability, also they too easy, especially the second one.

Doom and Quake have aged like fine wine, while Half-Life needed a remake, and it still feels clunky and boring.

>>7042896
you can enjoy of all three games.
No need of tribalism.

it was zoomers first PC game.

>>7042906
that was Doom

>>7042905
Half-Life is the odd one out, once i finish it, i don't care about playing it again atleast for a year or two. Quake and Doom just keep getting better with mods.

>>7042913
Quake was boring for me

>>7042916
Try the new arcane dimensions, you can play the vanilla campaign in the mod itself, dont forget to enable chaos mode. Its fucking great.

So you are mad because it threatened Quake and Doom popularity?
Seems pretty petty to me, /vr/.

>>7042896
>Zombie Panic Source + No More Room in Hell are both better than the shitty left4dead games
No argument there.
>Portal games are too easy
They're great action puzzle games that just ooze charm. I think cranking up the puzzle difficulty would be detrimental, there's plenty of ball-bustingly difficult puzzle games out there for those who enjoy that sort of thing.
>CS:GO ruined the franchise
I think it's the logical conclusion for that genre.
>Doom and Quake have aged like fine wine
Doom aged like milk compared to all of the great build engine games, and Quake really needs arcane dimensions to shine.

Even /v/ agrees HL1 is great.
Seems like you boomers can't let it go

>>7042931
>Portal games are too easy
Once you finish it and know the puzzles you probably will never play it again. If you want a challenging portal game i can recommend Portal Stories: Mel, its free.

>CS:GO ruined the franchise
No argument here, the game just sucks.

>Doom and Quake have aged like fine wine
GZDoom made it great again, Quake has thousands of maps and mods before the release of AD.

>>7042950
>Once you finish it and know the puzzles you probably will never play it again
Well yeah, that's every puzzle/adventure game.

>>7042956
Also take into account they are very short.

so according to this thread you are not allowed to like all Doom, Quake and Half Life because muh autism

>>7042962
You can like whatever you want.

>>7042934
>Even /v/
You realize that this doesn't make Half Life look good, right? /v/ has absolute bottom of the barrel taste in games.

>>7042972
neither butthurt /vr/ doomfags

>>7042931
ZP:S is a dead game that never lived up to the original.

>>7041940
>>/vr/thread/S7035928
What did OP mean by this?

>>7042983
Still an all around more exciting game than L4D.

>>7043113
lol

>>7041940
shut the fuck up you're as bad as the autistic mario 3 hater. You can criticize these games but you all never give any non surface level arguments. How about saying shit like the health packs in the game are stretched so thin that the game is far more trial and error than others from that era because taking damage is a huge setback. But no you fags all like to nitpick such SURFACE LEVEL SHIT. Saying the guns feel like shit means NOTHING what does this mean explain how the guns are bad explain which guns are bad in a game with a shitload of guns all for unique and different scenarios. I know you're mainly trolls who do this shit on purpose but holy fuck you just spam the board with threads like these its insane

Half Life's single player campaign compared to quake or unreal is like a chimp compared to a jellyfish.

>>7043220
yeah HL is so much better is not even funny.

>>7043113
L4D is a shitty zombie game, but it's alright.

I didn't know this game make people behave like this.
What compels OP to make this shitty thread instead of playing his supposed favorite fps games?

>>7042665
Nobody defends those games you mentioned lol besides of maybe RE
You’re insane and gaslighting your self

>>7042910
As a Zoomer I’ll say Doom was too old, the oldest games I played as a child were from 1998

>>7043363
A lot of zoomers like Doom.

I didn't know this game make people behave like this.
What compels OP to make this shitty thread instead of playing his supposed favorite fps games?

>>7043358
>Nobody defends those games you mentioned
If you're new here, I can understand why you'd think that since the current state of /vr/ is wildly different from how it was before the most recent rules change.
>You’re insane and gaslighting your self
Considering what just transpired with that guy having such a major melty in multiple threads simultaneously from me calling out his samefagging that a mod had to step in and wipe his post history, I'd say that I'm 100% vindicated.

Game is all downhill after the hydra or so; HL1 is at its best inside Black Mesa when you're roaming around with a pistol and maybe a shotgun and the game still tries to be kinda spooky. The game's gunplay or whatever you wanna call it isn't good enough to keep it afloat when the game transitions from scifi horror to pure action. And the game knows this; that's why everything is set piece after set piece.

HL2 takes this trend up to 11, there's maybe a grand total of ~90 minutes of good, unfiltered, unadulterated scifi horror fps gameplay, and it's pretty much all in Ravenholme. The rest of the game is set pieces and AI handholding the player or a vehicle section with infinite ammo or some other shit. Ravenholme is 10/10, the first 2-3 hours of HL1 is 10/10. The rest of the games, on their own, are like, 7-8/10 though.

>all HL-positive replies were deleted
Uh...what the h*ck did the janny tranny mean by this?

>>7043393
It was one guy throwing a temper tantrum. He had his own Half-Life thread, and was spam bumping it.

>>7043393
Because you're posting like it's fucking /v/ you retard. It's not. Be semi thoughtful with your posts.

I always just loved it for the mods. The game itself was just pretty good and probably bettered by OpFor but I'll never forget the weird little worlds of They Hunger, Heart of Evil, and all the infinite Black Mesa variations.

>>7041940
I remember being blown away by both of them technologically. I don't know if the gameplay holds up today, but, i don't know why it wouldn't. 360 port was hot garbage

>>7042861
I didn't call you schizo. Everyday someone makes a "Half-Life bad" thread, never gives more than 1 short sentence of justification, then acts like the victim when someone calls him out for being a flamebaiting retard.

>>7041940
>>/vr/thread/S7035928
OP is mentally ill.
>>7043403
>implying this isn't a /v/ tier thread already

>>7043393
Mods are retarded

>>7043437
>Everyday someone makes a "Half-Life bad" thread, never gives more than 1 short sentence of justification, then acts like the victim when someone calls him out for being a flamebaiting retard
Yes, that's /vr/ after the rules change. Either hide the threads, or see if anyone in said threads is up for some interesting discussion. I consider myself to be the latter, would you like to discuss Half-Life, and how it may or may not have aged?

>>7043210
Look pal, if you want in-depth writeups on the games, go read Kurt Kalata's site or watch Jeremy Parish

>>7043449
Or make better threads than this garbage.

>>7043449
Sure.

In my opinion that while the actual shooting in Half-Life is mediocre, it's has some of the best pacing of any game ever made. You go from survival-horror to military shooting to dimension hopping in a fairly seemless way. A lot of story based games can take lessons from half life as to how to pace your game and tie in story with narrative. In addition half life is very memorable thanks to all the set pieces. While I find myself forgetting a lot of the areas in shooter games until I replay them, Half-life tends to have something unique in each chapter that I can remember long after I've beaten the game.

>>7042983
Redpill me on this. I never played the original, but really liked ZPS

>>7042550
Nobody gives a fuck. It's a crap game, people shrug and move on.

>>7043512
More like people know this thread is shit.

>>7042665
>worst final boss ever
That fight was such a shit show.

>>7041940
Like the mother 3 and RE 4 hate threads spammed by probably one person (maybe not the same person mind you), people just get tired of the boring spam and same disingenuous arguments being made every single time

>>7043516
Shit game, shit thread. Not as annoying as the Doom threads, though.

The majority of /vr/ disagrees.

>>7043528
Retards don't understand that creating threads like this makes people like those games more.
Australia and its ilk were a mistake.

>>7043545
They also don't seem to realize how obvious it is to anyone that actually hangs out on these forums that they're doing it.

>>7043476
I didn't make the thread. If you'd like to make a better thread, by all means.
>>7043490
>while the actual shooting in Half-Life is mediocre
That's unforgivable in an FPS. Look at how good the gunplay is in Goldeneye, which came out a year prior. Headshots are lethal, and enemies properly react to being shot. It's night and day.
>it's has some of the best pacing of any game ever made
I think the pacing is one of the weakest points, in both the original and the sequel. There are just so many drawn out filler sections between the setpieces where you aren't doing much of anything besides slowly moving forward.
>You go from survival-horror to military shooting to dimension hopping in a fairly seemless way
I wouldn't say survival horror, since that implies resource scarcity and having to avoid enemies, and that's never a concern with zombies or headcrabs since you have abundant supplies and a very powerful infinite crowbar. The military shooting feels awful, where human enemies can soak way too much damage, headshots aren't lethal, and enemies aren't properly staggered when being shot, and the latter part of xen is horrible.
>A lot of story based games can take lessons from half life as to how to pace your game and tie in story with narrative
I'd choose Max Payne as a proper example of that. Or for HL games themselves, OpFor, Episode 1, and Episode 2 are paced infinitely better.

>he's a goldeneye baby
Lmao

>>7043553
To each his own. I think you can get by a lot of the filler without too many problems, and it never lasts long enough to become too annoying.

Really you should spend doing better things in Halloween than seething over a classic 22 year old game.

>>7043553
Never have problem with the marines.

>>7041940
Not that one. It's shit.

>>7041940
Not that one, it's great.

>>7043576
Whether or not you "have problem" with them is irrelevant to the discussion of how they're balanced in relation to other shooters. One may not "have problem" with cock and ball torture, but most won't find it particularly enjoyable.

>>7043553
Okay the game has flaws. It's still great and fun to play though.
Sorry you didn't enjoy it.

>>7043590
You can edit their health values if you are such a baby or use better weapons.

>>7043590
>but most won't find it particularly enjoyable.
It was considered of the best parts back then

>>7041940
SMB1

>>7043596
I was there. It wasn't.

>>7043602
>trust me bro, everyone hated the game and all the reviews and people loving it was faked as part of some conspiracy
ok...

>>7043596
I mean the marines.
>>7043220
Yeah it's much better than both not even funny.

Lol the schizo can't let it go.

>>7043604
Who said anything about hating the game? The post was specifically about how poorly the marines are designed from a gunplay standpoint. Their AI was impressive for the time, but everything else about them was inferior to other shooters. Do you want to know why HL wowed us so much back then? Because it was "cinematic".

>>7043613
Sure, anon. Sure. That's the only reason anyone liked it. Thank god you're here to shed light on the TRUTH of the matter and how everyone else was wrong for liking other parts of it. Truly you are a modern day paladin spreading the world of truth and light to us peons.

Based HLchads in your head rent free.

>>7043553
Goldeneye is shit

>>7041940
because some schizo who got raped in the fall of 98 by three buff black men won't shut up about how he hates it.

he spams it frequently in the doom general as a form of coping.

>>7043753
schizo

>>7044130
he's right.
>also bumping your own thread
lol

>>7043753
Your homoerotic fantasies tells me that you're suffering from a severe case of closet faggotry.

>>7043753
Kill yourself retard

>>7044130
>>7044512
shitting on half life won't unrape you.

>>7043753
Based.
>>7044512
>>7044696
>>7044130
Seething schizo

>>7044696
Based!

>>7044672
>>7044992
t. Seething closet faggot.

>>7041940
That's MGS. Of all the bait threads the only ones jannies delete is the MGS ones, while HL1 and others stay up. The massive amounts of faggotry that surround those games has put me off from playing them forever and it's sad because they might actually be good games.

A good game but kinda brought back many lame elements that were missing from early 3d shooters. The models and textures were a bit shitty too. Some of the level designs rocked though.

>>7042557
>>7042557
Gee, I wonder why.

>>7042557
Probably because Alf makes up like 90% of all posts on all of 4chan which criticize Half-Life, all by himself, and in a really autistic manner where he gets into fits if someone doesn't agree with him.

Nobody would care if you didn't like Half-Life, but he's extremely persistent and annoying. If anything he's poisoning the well on criticizing Half-Life, which you should be upset about.