/vr/ - Retro Games

Also, my PS2 SCART works fine with my SCART to 4BNC to my PVM pvm 14m4u...

My DC SCART won't play nice. Any ideas on what I can try?

I'd go for the second option also you might need to use an LM1881 for the DC

It sounds like your GPU only has digital output. I think you would need both a DVI-VGA adapter and a VGA-BNC cable. I'm not totally sure though.

>>694198
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 15KHz means a lower resolution than standard TVs, right? I find it odd because you bought a PVM with a super high resolution.

>>694208

What does not playing nice look like?

I had issues with the official Wii SCART cable not having the earth pins for the video signals connected to anything - worked fine after a bit of easy soldering.

Will a PS2 scart cable work with a PSX?

>>694243
15Khz is standard NTSC frequency

>>694270
um says no sync, can't see shit captain

I think I get audio

>>694235
mkay - my SCART to 4BNC has the LM1881... I found a forum thread saying that with the dreamcast it works only WITHOUT the LM1881...

I mean, it's a Jamma cab but similar principle? Or not?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=5986.0

I assume the PS2 only works with it... I guess I can get an SCART to 4BNC without the LM1881 for my dreamcast and keep using the one with LM1881 for the PS2.

Why are you guys using an LM1881? Some cursory Googling suggests it's a sync separator - surely your PVM accepts composite sync? And "4BNC" would imply RGB + composite sync?

I'm very confused, all consoles designed for SCART land will output RGB with composite sync, and my PVM-1442QM takes this fine...

>>694287
yes and also works with ps3

>>696725
Yeah my bad I totally mixed it up. You need one without the LM1881 if you have an LM1881. If you want to check before you shell out the cash you can take it off your old one first and see if it plays nice.

>>697743
hmm I don't know how to do that but I am really interested in learning this type of thing so I may as well try

this is the cable I have, like I said it works perfect with my PS2 but not with the DC... of course it could be a problem with the DC SCART cable... maybe SCART doesn't work with a US DC?

http://www.retrogamingcables.com/female-rgb-break-out-scart-to-4-x-bnc--2-x-rca-for-sony-pvm-monitors-lm1881-sync-stripper.onitors-lm1881-sync-stripper.html

>>694208
I just picked up a pvm and I've been looking for a scart to bnc adapter, but I'm confused about the scart part. Does my adapter need to be a female scart if I'm using a scart cable on my video game system?

>>697864
I was looking at this adapter, but it looks like the scart end is male.

>>697864
this is the one I have which is female

I dunno which pvm you have, though, mine doesn't accept scart

>>697896
I've got a pvm-1350 and yeah it doesn't accept scart either. I'm thinking about getting >>697873
and just buying a female to female cable to go with it.

>>697873
you need a scart coupler.

>>697835
is your dreamcast cable a JPN pinout or Euro? you might have gotten the wrong cable.

>>697957
hmm I thought JPN scarts were smaller?

how could I tell?

>>697957
the ebay listing didn't really say, but the listing was from Great Britain

>>697967
They look exactly the same, but the pins are arranged differently. You will need a converter if you do have JPN pinout.

>>697976
what's the easiest way to tell which one I have?

>>697967
if you open up the scart end on the cable you can compare it to this

http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:japanese_rgb-21

>>698009
hmm well according to that, the japanese cable isn't called SCART but RGB-21... pretty sure mine is Euro...

>>698026
sigh...

can you snap a picture of both scart sides of your BNC breakout cable and DC cable.

>>698041
mkay thanks

I'll take some and post them

This is coming from the DC

this is the other side of what's coming from the DC

having a little more trouble figuring out how to open the female end without breaking anything lol

okay that was easy, posting in a sec

>>698137

>>698143


I can open the DC one up properly if you want lol

now that I know what I'm doing a bit more.

okay so for the DC cable, there's a cable on 6 but not 1, so I would conclude it is Euro SCART

>>698143
>>698146
so I'm not sure how easy it is to dick with this to test it without the sync stripper

everything is checking out just fine on the wiring. It honestly just might be a faulty dreamcast cable

the only thing I can possibly think of with the DC cable is instead of running 12V is to run 5V but I'm not even sure if that would work but a man can dream.

OP here with another PVM question.

A guy who was moving gave me a PVM 20m4u for free, saying it had only about 60 hours of use.

It was free because it won't turn on. The guy said it had just recently quit working. When you try to turn it on, there is a repeating clicking sound. He and I both suspect it is just the power supply. Do you think I could find the same power supply and replace it?

>>698545
eh fuck that I don't want to die

>>698545
The parts are mix and match, right? The back is like a computer, you can add new boards, change the PSU. The problem is that to get these parts it won't be free.

The fundamental overriding goal must be the application of new technology to allow computers to send a signal as accurate as the machine it's emulating though with superior quality. Here are the building blocks of powerful knowledge.

nVidia/ATI 15 KHz output:
>Soft-15KHz
http://files.arianchen.de/?x=soft15khz
Allows video card to output TV / arcade monitor resolutions.
"PLEASE NOTE: Soft-15KHz is a Windows application and will only function once Windows has loaded. Any resolutions that a computer outputs before Soft-15KHz kicks in may be harmful to standard arcade monitors."
>PowerStrip
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm
Detailed and precise control of all monitor settings. IMPORTANT: now compatible with Calamity's SwitchRes 0.014

ATI 15 KHz output:
>CRT_EmuDriver
http://mame.3feetunder.com/windows-ati-crt-emudriver/
"When using CRT_EmuDriver, your arcade monitor must be connected to the primary port on the video card.
I don't know if this is always the case, but if your card has two ports, the primary port is usually (but not always) the "bottom" (closest to the motherboard) port.
On newer video cards, the primary port is usually a DVI port. This means that to connect to an arcade monitor, you'll have to use a DVI-to-VGA adapter dongle."

MAME plus MESS with automatic resolution and frequency shifting on a per-game basis:
>GroovyUME 0.148u2
http://code.google.com/p/groovyarcade/downloads/list?can=2&q=
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,128879.0.html

Even more functionality with Linux:
>GroovyArcade liveCD/liveUSB
http://code.google.com/p/groovyarcade/
http://code.google.com/p/groovyarcade/wiki/USB_installation

The systems emulated accurately by MESS as part of GroovyUME 0.148u2 at the moment are as follows:

Alice32 (Computer)
Apple IIGS (Computer)
Aquarius (Computer)
Arcadia 2001 (Console)
Atari 400/800 Series (Computer)
Atari 2600 (Console)
Atari 5200 (Console)
Atari 7800 (Console)
ColecoVision (Console)
CPS Changer (Console)
CreatiVision (Computer)
Dreamcast Visual Memory System (Handheld)
Game Boy (Handheld)
Game Gear (Handheld)
Genesis (Console)
Instructor 50 (Computer)
Intellivision (Console)
Lynx (Handheld)
Macintosh (Non-PowerPC)
Master System (Console)
MC-10 (Computer)
MO Series (Computer)
MSX Series (Computer)
Neo Geo AES (Console)
Neo Geo CD (Console)
Odyssey2 (Console)
Othello Multivision
Pico (Handheld)
PIPBUG-based Systems (Computer)
PocketStation (Handheld)
RX-78 (Computer)
Sega Computer 3000 (SC-3000) (Computer)
Sega Game 1000 (SG-1000) (Console)
Sega Super Control Station (SF-7000) (Computer)
Studio II (Console)
SuperGrafx (Console)
SuperVision (Handheld)
TO Series (Computer)
TurboGrafx 16 (Console)
TurboGrafx CD (Console)
Vectrex (Handheld)
WonderSwan (Handheld)
X1 (Computer)
X68000 (Computer)
ZX Spectrum (Computer)

One could conceivably arrange configurations for each core in RetroArch and dutifully set one's output on BSNES to 60.09476 as well as in PowerStrip or CRT_EmuDriver. Vsync would be disabled and you would output a 256x240 (224 with black borders masked by overscan?)

We get now into the problem of Line Doubling. Windows can't do this with SwitchRes/GroovyUME, but Linux and the liveUSB/CD can. This would be a 512x240(224) output to account for the SNES's high resolution mode. In normal games, GroovyUME knows to double the lines.

Despite MESS not having full compatibility with the SNES, their emulation philosophy (accurate to every chip) is the same as that of BSNES. Here it is running Donkey Kong Country completely native on a European SCART TV with a VGA to SCART cable and GroovyUME.

No tearing. Look at them pixels.

>>698804
>>698828

For more information consult the forums and release thread for the latest version of GroovyUME (0.148u2).

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,128879.0.html

There you will learn from Calamity, the Spanish wizard and man singlehandedly keeping this project alive. The first post touches on everything and will lead to further research.

Information is scattered widely on these fora. Here are monitor settings for SwitchRes that will be used by most of /vr/

pal PAL TV - 50 Hz/625 (undesirable)
ntsc NTSC TV - 60 Hz/525 (undesirable)
generic_15 Generic 15.7 kHz (all TVs)
arcade_15 Arcade 15.7 kHz - standard resolution (some TVs)
arcade_15ex Arcade 15.7-16.5 kHz - extended resolution (Sony TVs only according to Calamity)

Here's Street Fighter II in native resolution and refresh rate as per filename.

Does DVI-to-VGA converter introduce lag for those with digital-out only VGA cards?

Can Soft-15Khz / Catalyst EmuDriver / PowerStrip output from the S-Video port?

When booting GroovyArcade into GroovyUME/MAME, how does one prevent sending the wrong Hsync at first?

>>699086
I am bumping this thread because it is important.

Also, Catalyst EmuDriver at least can only output from the primary VGA or DVI port, as mentioned on its release page and in >>698804

Update: the authors of RetroArch are 100% opposed, vehemently, to ever properly implementing anything to do with outputting true native signals. See

http://forum.themaister.net/viewtopic.php?id=368

for more information. The level of spitefulness is great. It looks like other emulators will have to be used for native gameplay.

>tfw i recently went for a doctors appointment and discovered that they had renovated the office and gotten rid of all their old monitors

>realize there's a PVM thread

I own a PVM, anyone need some RGB pictures of games?

N64, SNES, & genesis would be easiest, but I can a;so take RGB shot of saturn, dreamcast, PS1, & PS2.

Tried to get my Wii to display in RGB, but apparently NTSC-U systems can't do it.

>>703952

It's really hard to get decent pictures of the N64 in RGB. Most N64 games play at a really low resolution so they don't come out right.

>>703975

Another blurry picture. Let me see if I can try another game. I thought N64 would be a good system to take pictures of since it doesn't do RGB natively.

>>703997

2D games seem to look best. It's such a shame the N64 barely got any.

>>704171

>>703952
I'm looking into modding my N64 for RGB output. Would you (or anyone else in the thread), recommend this guide: http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/rgbn64.htm
or do you know of a better one?

>put a 'wanted' ad for a PVM on clist
>someone says they have one
>doesnt tell me anything about it
>message back asking questions, and if they have it still
>reply i get back is "yeah"
>ask again
>no answer

I dont understand

>>705391
It's recommended a lot around here, but I haven't done it myself.

>>703952
>Tried to get my Wii to display in RGB, but apparently NTSC-U systems can't do it.
It's controlled by software. If you really need to to do RGB instead of component, all you should have to do is region change the console.

>>705628
>need to to do
need it to do*

Do you know the power level increase that comes from upgrading to a true BVM? The superiority over other enthusiasts that it instantly grants is alone worth it.

Pic related, dat face on acquiring one.

>>705852
Here's the Before pic, a man on a quest to discover the ultimate RGB display. Above find the After pic of a man who's found one.

>>705852
Here's the video, this is a True Believer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdnC1mx7E0U

>>705628

In what way? I've tried setting it to pal with anyregionchanger in the homebrew channel and I still get a screen with completely red shades.

>>706254
Upon looking it up, it seems I'm incorrect.

Though in all seriousness, is there really a need to have it output RGB rather Component?

>>705645
Funny you post an image of Splash Woman, as I recall some arguments saying that she is "impossible to render on an NES". Well, truth of the matter is, she IS possible to render with the NES' palette system. Does anyone have a clean, non-transparent sprite of Splash Woman in a PNG or other lossless format? That way I can show you how it is indeed possible, thanks.

And to make this post on topic, where do I acquire a PVM or a BVM monitor, or the best CRT monitor for old video games? Are they cheap, and how much? Thanks in advance.

>>706295
>where do I acquire a PVM or a BVM monitor
Get lucky on craigslist/local equivalent, get lucky and take the risk with ebay, or know a guy who knows a guy.

Sometimes Universities and Hospitals auction them off, so you might have some luck there.

>Are they cheap
Rarely, unless the person selling it doesn't know what they have. I paid $50(and $40 shipping) for my 20M2MDU, and that's on the slightly lower end for that model.

Mind you, not all PVMs and BVMs are equal; There are many a model that won't do anything better than composite video.

>>705645
>>706279

Wait, what console are you running these from and at what resolution?

>>706363
Wii, over component. I believe it was even at 240p, but I can't confirm that at the moment.

>>706349
Thank you for the sprite, I shall work on my proof.

>>706295
>>706349
>>706426
Here it is.

>>706279

Thoggt so. Thanks anyway.

As for a RGB mode on N64s, I had a member of digitpress's forums do it for me. His usernamer is APE. He does a lot of mods on assemblergames too.

Recapped my system and added an overclock switch too.

I always wanted to be CRT master race but this stuff blows my mind, but I'm from the US and most posters seem to be from the UK with their SCART adapters. What kinds of things can I use with my ps2/wii/dreamcast for maximum fidelity ;_;?

>>706856
>Dreamcast
Get yourself an nice PC CRT monitor an a VGAbox.

Any PVM nerds able to give us a run down on what to look for amidst the multitude of these things?

Which models are best/worst, which cards to look for etc that kind of stuff

>>703845
>http://forum.themaister.net/viewtopic.php?id=368

That applies to the Wii port, not the PC version

>>698804
>"PLEASE NOTE: Soft-15KHz is a Windows application and will only function once Windows has loaded. Any resolutions that a computer outputs before Soft-15KHz kicks in may be harmful to standard arcade monitors."

So basically, despite everyone's love of Soft15khz the bottom line is that it's far safer to buy an ArcadeVGA video card.

>>708512
Why, because they're out of stock and won't ever be made again because of CRTs becoming too scarce? (word of developer himself)

Or do you have something against having a digital display for the computer part and a TV for the gaming part

>>712312
I don't want to burn up the monitor in my arcade cabinet that I plan to convert. As you said, they're becoming less common.