/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7023208
As much as I enjoyed NiGHTS, I'd do it just to save Sega from tanking.

>>7023208
no

erase both for another turn-based phantasy star

>>7023208
No, Sonic was never good

>>7023208
Nah. There'd be room for Sonic if they didn't do BR tho.

nights has more soul than sonic

Sonic only works as a sideways scroller, they would have to make a 2.5D game or something like that where it's still on a 2D plane but maybe had 3D perspective on some sections.

>>7023208
If it would "save" the Saturn in the west and result in Sega still being in the console race today, as much as it hurts, yes. Otherwise fuck no.

>>7023549
If you’re gay

No, I fucking hate Sonic autistics. NiGHTS into dreams is better than every 3D sonic ever made even to this day, accept it and move on.

>>7024254
>No, I fucking hate Sonic autistics. NiGHTS into dreams is better than every 3D sonic ever made even to this day, accept it and move on.

Sega of Japan really didn't want Sonic as the mascot for the Saturn. Tom Kalinske and Sega of America did. Sonic Team were burned out on Sonic and wanted to make other games. Yuji Naka thwarted any attempts of STI from using the NiGHTS engine to make a new Sonic game. When Sega did bring Sonic back for the Dreamcast. They soft rebooted the character and gave Sonic a new design to separate the 16-bit sonic from the Dreamcast Sonic era.

>>7024254
I agree. In a weird way Nights is the more complicated deeper game

>>7024254
>fly through rings
Superman 64 much? How is this gay ass shit better than Sonic?

>>7025371
Because it's flying through rings done well, unlike Supes, which controls like ass.

>>7023208
Why couldn't we have both? SoJ was clinically retarded.

>>7024254
it controls like dicks and aids LMAO

>>7023208
Sonic x-treme

Nah, Nights is cool and "they" haven't been succumbed to twitter-litmus tweens.

He/him pronouns btw.

>>7024254
This would look much better through composite video.

>>7023208
Only if doing so prevents Sonic from changing into Modern Sonic in the Dreamcast era.

literally don't care.

>>7023208
No. If I had that power, I would turn back the clock and do the right thing: erase the 32X.

>>7027625
Cared enough to post in the thread sperglord.

>>7027960
That doesn't fix the problem of the Saturn being a nightmare to develop on and costing a fortune to manufacture while also being weaker than the Playstation at rendering polygonal games, or the surprise launch that pissed off all major retailers, or the feud going on between SoA and SoJ's hateboner with how successful Genesis was overseas and wanting to kill it off asap for a console that nobody was willing to buy.

>>7024254
Nah.
Because Robo Blast 2 has both the best 3D Sonic and the best 3D NiGHTS, so get fucked.

>>7023208
Why can't Sega just accept that if they tried to appeal to both demographics separately, things would start to look up? Sonic Mania probaby made back 4x what it cost to make, and it would still probably be a worthwhile endeavour for them to make sequels even if they made back less per game. It's a fanmade engine. Why do people just assume the classic gameplay style is just straight up outdated and passé?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikgKikMbvEc

It's so weird how Sega of America were showing off weird builds of Sonic Xtreme like this to the public, and telling people that the game was going to be slated for Winter 1996 to compete with Super Mario 64 on the N64. But they could never deliver.

>>7023208
I'd erase Nights from existence for nothing in return.

>>7029259
While we're at it, can we erase Yoshi's Island and Half-Life as well?

>>7029364
And Euro PC games

>>7028720
>Sonic Mania probaby made back 4x what it cost to make

Nights honestly was too high IQ for the console laymen and especially people nowadays. If it was an arcade title first, it would be considered one of the greatest games of all time.

Even today Nights is too sophisticated for the average Amerispud. Needs more 'tude and guns. Its premise and characters belong in a European children's art film or something

>>7023208
definitely. I dont think Nights is anything but a footnote in gaming.

>>7024347
This was all a mistake. They should have been competing with Nintendo, Mario 64. They had absolutely nothing.

The Saturn 3D pad was pretty nice, IMO. It even had analogous L and R triggers for racing games that support them. NiGHT's really showed off the precision of the analogue stick, in kind of the same way that Mario did. They could have made a Sonic game using this engine. Crash is "2.5D" and Sony was advertising that game to compete with Mario 64. Sega of America wanted to have their own Sonic 3D game out around the same time.

>>7023208
Whatever.
Never really liked Sonic Team games that much.All their games felt unpolished and clunky.When you lose the orbs, the controls and camera are just Croc levels of sluggishness.

Smilebit/Overworks/AM-2 were better divisions IMO.

>>7030953
>When you lose the orbs, the controls and camera are just Croc levels of sluggishness
The part you're in for 2 fucking seconds before the level starts or when you suck so bad you run out of time?
And people really don't believe Nights haters are low IQ...

>>7029378
Nah, those are based.

I would go back even further to 1991 carrying everything needed to get the Dreamcast or something close to it made by 1994 with native peer to peer netplay support and lay out a hardware plan focusing on spaced out, longer lasting platforms.

Phase One
>no Megadrive/Genesis add-ons
>Pseudo-Dreamcast goes from '94 to 2000 and uses the backwards spinning trick the Gamecube used in addition to being able to save progress and save data to non-proprietary external media via floppy drive.

Phase Two
>Partner with Microsoft to create the SEGA XBOX
>It's gamepad is compact with good ergonomics and uses a trackball where a second analogue stick would normally be for better camera control in-game
>Peer to Peer Netplay remains standard, continuing to not rely on support from devs, publishers, or SEGA/MS

Phase Three
>Continue to use time travel to "invent" BluRay myself and let the tech be public domain allowing all platforms to use it in seventh gen
>SEGA XBOX 2 has Sonic Adventure 3 as a launch title, it is the best game ever.

>>7023208
>If you could turn back the clock and erase Nights from existence to give the Saturn a proper Sonic title..., would you?
No, sonic is a flawed title in itself unlike Nights. You have to be a furry to fully enjoy sonic. In Nights I can watch a cute girl run around.

Couldn't care less about sonic. The bar to buy any sonic game is extremely high for me. It would need insane quality to sell to me. The only reason I enjoy sonic adventure is because of the great atmosphere and music. And that shit was expensive to make.

>>7028721
Imagine Sega actually releasing this game right after Crash and Super Mario 64.

>>7031145
>Imagine Sega actually releasing this game right after Crash and Super Mario 64.

people don't really know what build of Sonic Xtreme that was. It looks like a boss area showcase with Sonic as a 2D sprite. It actually looks a bit like the NiGHTs engine, when I look at the gradient colours.Maybe it was the one that Yuji Naka pulled away from STI?

>>7023208
No, because Saturn Sonic would be shit. At least Nights was a good game

Absolutely not, nights is so much better than Sonic in every way

I would erase Sanic Team altogether. The only good Sega games were made by the AM studios. We don't need the autism that ST invited into the Sega fanbase.

>>7023208
Based

>>7023263
Based

>>7030986
You are awesome anon. I love this

>>7030986
>the backwards spinning trick the Gamecube used
The what now?

>>7030986
Will this be enough to curb Nintendo and Sony so Sega is the true winner of the console war?

>>7034806
Gamecube discs rotate counterclockwise as a form of copy protection.

>>7035105
Probably not but, it would mean more SEGA IPs getting AAA releases.

>>7030986
>SEGA XBOX 2 has Sonic Adventure 3 as a launch title, it is the best game ever.
You’re gonna make me cry

>>7035975
Sonic 06 has a Chaos In Space 3 poster.

>>7023208
No. Having a real Sonic game might have made the saturn mainstream enough for normies to notice it exists, but it still wouldn't be enough to save Saturn. Even though it was a failure, Saturn had a lot of unique games we should be thankful for.

>>7023263
Based.
>>7028662
Also Based.

How different is the Steam version of Nights compared to the Saturn? Should I emulate the Saturn version instead?

>>7023208
only if I got to dictate exactly what the game would be. otherwise nah.

>>7030986
>>SEGA XBOX 2 has Sonic Adventure 3 as a launch title, it is the best game ever.
So can I just ask, WHY should SA3 be good? Why can't it just be any named 3D Sonic game that's good?
S3K isn't good just because it's the 3rd game in the seires (when it's not). It's good because it's good, it just so happens to be the third game in the series. During the time the sequel was literally just around the corner

There's no positive for SEGA to just make a numbered sequel like this and expect a positive outcome. It's smarter and more tactical to just make a good game with any given name, and if you wanted to make a "sequel" in the modern world where DLC exist, you just take the previous game and just "add more" to it. Otherwise it just sounds like nonsense to me.

>>7036569
If I can make up a story about me violating the laws of time and space to help SEGA, I don't think calling a game Sonic Adventure 3 is much more of a stretch.

>>7023208
A proper sonic title wouldn't have saved them, there's no point replacing NiGHTS for it.

>>7023208
No, because we would have got X-Treme which looks like shit

>>7037742
Xtreme wouldn't have needed to be made if ST had just done their job.