/vr/ - Retro Games

Why does this look like Dragon Quest Clone #5885894? Probably because it is.

>>7022398
jokes on you it's actually a Zelda clone

i give it 8 bitts outa 8 butts

>>7022392
Don't get why your character is limited to standing directly on a tile when it's an action game. Makes the combat feel really clunky.

>>7022498
these are poor design choices professional devs wouldn't have made back in the day

this is the feedback im looking for
keep them coming

>>7022498
that's how it is in Shiren the Wanderer

>>7022547
That's turn-based you dingdong.

>>7022550
what? have you played it?

>>7022398
that's a Hydlidevania, Twerpenstein.

The music in the beginning area is kind of meh, it's making me fall asleep. The dungeon music also seems a bit bland. But the fields to the left music is pretty boppin' at least. I also think there needs to be a sound effect for when you talk to NPCs, and you should use white text instead of grey. It blends in too well with the dark GUI area. I'm pretty sure there's no way to actually pause the game, which is mildly annoying. Either that or my select button isn't working right. The room just before the king, the split off hallways seem like they lead to rooms, but apparently don't. I don't know if you plan on adding rooms later, maybe. Are you using only a single sprite for every single kind of pickup? Having some different sprites would be nice. I also can't tell how monsters attack. They don't seem to bump into you, it's just you stand beside them and sometimes they hurt you. I died as soon as I stepped into a room just because a bat was beside the door when I entered.

>>7022710
Right. As I said, it's these little details that Konami, Enix, etc wouldn't have overlooked back in the day. Also not having a pause feature is bullshit since no licensed NES game would have omitted it. It feels like a beta version of a game and not something that would have been put out as a finished product.

If the source code is available online though, perhaps some of us could work and improve it.

>>7022726
Is this supposed to be a finished game? It feels like they should've made a prototype in a modern game engine to catch all these design flaws early.

>>7022392
Don't post personal projects here. Every person I've seen that has asked a question or asked for criticism has been met widely with derision and mockery. Occasionally you'll find the one guy that knows what he's talking about and can help, but by and large, /v/ is devoid of talent as original content is treated with contempt.

>>7022767
Thought I was posting on /v/. Ironically there are even fewer talented people here, so scratch the remark I made about the one person who can help. There's no one here.

>>7022770

>>7022710
Anon just offered some useful suggestions here.

>>7022767
don't listen to this guy. derision and mockery will only make you stronger

>>7022767
If you can't filter out the shitposts, you're either new, a visitor, or just a bitch.

If you can't do anything but shitpost, you're either new, a visitor, or just a bitch.

>>7022804
Don't be so easy to call out

this is neat.

>>7022392
>40kb
>is NROM

>>7022790
Derision and mockery are the cancer that killed this board. Years ago people were capable of civil discussion but it's now turned into nothing but calling out
>zoomers
>cope
>dilate
>reddit spacing
derision that's completely unwarranted and used only for 4chan cool points. This place is good for finding the occasional retro game you haven't played before, but discussion here is fucking garbage.

I just downloaded this and it's an NROM game. I feel cheated.

>>7022909
Dilate, you reddit spacing, coping zoomer.

>>7022392
>>7022398
Because i bet its a shitty choddie NESMaker gamr that looks like an NROM rom

>>7022951
I mean, I wouldn't care if it was Pac-Man tier but if you're gonna make something that looks like an RPG, it had better be at least 64k in size.

>>7022909
sad and true

>>7022392
If you made this on your own in assembly this is pretty good.

>>7022398
It's the colors. I had the same thought just from the thumbnail.

>>7022552
Have you?

>>7022392
The mirrored grass for hidden enemies is a nice touch and one you don't pick up unless you pay attention to the big field area.

All the guards in the clastle say the same thing, which feels like a waste of time.
Finding the NPCs in a location can be a fun challenge, and getting a little flavortext and world building makes it worth the effort.

>>7022986
If it's an NROM game he probably doesn't have the space for additional dialog.

>Is this supposed to be a finished game?
kinda. This version has an ending. Im expanding it to UNROM, though.
more music, moveable npcs, true dialogue, more maps and items.

>>7022710
good suggenstions.
> I also can't tell how monsters attack
How can it improved?

>this is neat.
thank you

>NESMaker
no. :P

>If you made this on your own in assembly this is pretty good.
i did. thank you.

>If it's an NROM game he probably doesn't have the space for additional dialog.
true.


Has anyone found the Queen yet?

>>7023059
>Im expanding it to UNROM, though.

The standard size for UNROM games is 128k although 256k was occasionally used (eg. the Famicom version of DQ3). But I'd go with MMC1 as it allows more flexible banking and save game support which is kind of needed for an RPG unless you want to have 100 character passwords.

Also MMC1 lets you set the tile map mirroring on the fly while discreet logic mappers are fixed to either H or V mirroring. You may not necessarily need to switch mirroring types during the game, but it does let you get more flexible with scrolling the screen around.

>>7023059
>How can it be improved?
Maybe a wiggle or something. Or the enemies facing changes. I'd know it's going to hit me if it was looking at me. A short wiggle wind up would work too though. Or maybe it winds up in the opposite direction before launching at you?

>All these thin skinned fags not being able to mentally filter and only bitch
>OP can
I look forward to your next iteration of the game.

>>7022945
Well done, you contributed nothing and proved the point.

>>7023075
yeah i don't think I'd want to use UNROM for an RPG. actually nowadays there's probably no reason to choose it over MMC1 unless you're autistic enough to insist on a physical cartridge run. the CHR RAM version of MMC1 provides all of the same capabilities as UNROM and more.

>>7022909
you just derided and mocked the whole board. well played.

>>7022909
cope and seethe

>>7022392
>new nes game
its shit

>>7022909
This guy gets it.

>>7022552
not him but;
>anime posting
you didnt play it, have a good day

>>7022909
True. For a while it was OK here, but these days 60% of all comments are just someone shitting on someone else for no reason, and 9/10 that shitter is a complete idiot, saying something like "No one cares about source code" or something else similarly idiotic.

The thing that really sucks about it is that there are people on this board like OP who actually take the time to do something and share it here first, and people here should be more like "Wow, that's cool! Maybe not for me, but you tookt he time and did something and that's cool." Kinda like the whole Internet, now...
Cool looking game OP, I'm gonna spend some time with it later today.

>>7024089
If you want hugbox replies, just post your shit on reddit. This is one of the few places people will actually tell you what's wrong with your game. Granted, sometimes you have to fish it out of them because "it's shit" doesn't tell you anything, but people are usually willing to give some kind of specific reason. Places like r/gamedev or itch are so far up their ass in "don't say anything mean, dey worked weally hawd on dis" that you hardly get a chance to see where you can improve.

>>7024089
This is the kind of shit people post for social brownie points, and avoiding it is the whole reason for seeking out anonymous communities.

I would rather recieve a hundred "you're a fucking retard, kill yourself" replies than a single "oh, how nice baby, aren't you doing well?" condescending piece of shit post.

This game looks generic, and I probably won't bother playing it.

>>7023749
Dilate

>>7024116
Not him but there's a difference between giving a dissenting opinion and just being a troll dick or spouting pointless memes that do nothing to add to the conversation and are only said to try and cause upset. That just makes you a worthless trash poster ruining the board.

>>7024165
You learn to step around shit in real life, right? Same applies here, but in opinions and obvious bait. Don't worry, the mental filter comes naturally the longer you're here.

>>7024280

Nearly everything in this thread is garbage. It's not a matter of stepping around it. It's more like making huge, desperate leaps across the fecal swamp from one precarious perch to another... for the sake of what? The startling revelation that it's bad for the player to be unable to tell whether an enemy is even attacking? Come on. If OP can't provide that level of criticism OPself, then OP may not even be worth advising. And how much trash should really be tolerated for so little reward?

This isn't some harshly meritocratic place where tough people who have worked hard to cultivate strong emotional shells are able to receive great rewards. It's just one more backwater trashhole where fat malcontents with bad hairdos snipe at each other over nothing as a distraction from how little they're accomplishing.

>>7024280
Ohh I've been here a very, very long time. I just have little use for your brand of pointless trolling. It's simply meaningless noise that does nothing good. People like you are why we had the old rules and fought against shit like the habbo and stormfront raids.

I've tried to legitimately help him. An RPG is probably too complicated for one guy to do by himself so he'll need at least some collaboration with other people.

fair enough

I looked at the game and there's 28 unused bytes at the top of the PRG. Might you fill these with something?

I looked at the game and there's 42 unused bytes at the top of the PRG. Might you fill these with something? Seems like a waste to leave that space empty.

>>7024396
The predominant narrative that shitposters have ingrained in their heads is that making useless posts is a virtuous act purposely designed to build character, but all it does in reality is force actually contributing users to seek other communities that have actual moderation without tacit encouragement of shitposting. We shouldn't HAVE to "filter" the noise. The noise has no value and only exists as a detriment to the board's quality.

>>7023082
>>7023075
thanks for at least some tangentially helpful posts anyway

>I shouldn't have to filter
>This site is nothing but shit
Then why do you all come here if it's so unlikeable that you have to bitch?

It's impossible to replicate even a mediocre NES era game, those had some of the best programmers, and especially artists, of their time. The best today are worlds away from touching NES. It's good for practice but let's not pretend a real recreation is even possible.

>>7025025
>It's impossible to replicate even a mediocre NES era game, those had some of the best programmers, and
I don't think you remember what the typical Bits Laboratory or Micronics game looks like. Then again, maybe you'd rather not remember.

>>7025004
Because it's still worth fighting to make better despite the baby trolls who try to use it as their toilet.

>>7022984
>anime posting

>>>/out/

>>7024770
My suggestion is mostly dialogue to really bring things to life.

>>7022552
Shiren is absolutely turn based. Turn based combat is one of the key defining features of roguelikes.

>>7025081
It's fine the way it is, just go get your "intellectual conversations" from wherever else.

>>7025057
>I don't think you remember what the typical Bits Laboratory or Micronics game looks like. Then again, maybe you'd rather not remember.
I do. And I'm saying as bad as they might have seemed at the time. A single or few Western amateurs today are not even capable of recreating their art, nevermind complete games.

>>7025271
No :) . It used to be better and can be again.

>>7025271
When 90% of posts are unwarranted hostility and utterly worthless shitposts, no, it's not fine.

This issue isn't entirely the fault of the userbase. It's the lax moderation that invited this culture in. Really what needs to be done is the mods to start getting hard on shitposters.

>>7025290
>A single or few Western amateurs today are not
>Western
Stopped reading there. Neck yourself, weeb.

>>7025057
>I don't think you remember what the typical Bits Laboratory or Micronics game looks like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAe-Y579g0

i'm sure we could do better than this. if you mean we can't make Castlevania III, then you're probably right.

>>7023059
Found the queen. Beat the knight guy but the green dude is pretty tough.

>>7025505
Observations:
*Tiled movement is clunky but could work alright if a way to turn without moving was implemented. Obviously free movement would be best but I understand. Maybe the sword can swing in an arc to catch adjacent tiles to make up for the lack of movement capability.
*Unless the magic meter was given something other than the ice rod to do, magic meter is almost pointless.
*I like the 2-player aspect. 2nd player with boomerang equipped worked well.
*Inventory management is tough when there's a fight going on as things are now. Maybe a proper pause menu would be better?
*Graphics are a little ho-hum (FF Adventure is a good starting point) but functional. If you're interested I might know a guy who knows about NES graphics.

Good work. Would play again.

>>7025578
>Graphics are a little ho-hum (FF Adventure is a good starting point) but functional. If you're interested I might know a guy who knows about NES graphics.

They're adequate enough. Plenty of commercial NES games including Nintendo's own stuff had basic "programmer" graphics.

>>7025578
And he said he will expand it to use a mapper. Like I said earlier, I'd recommend MMC1 instead of UNROM like he was talking about.

>>7025578
>*Tiled movement is clunky but could work alright if a way to turn without moving was implemented.

Absolutely. Positioning shouldn't take a turn.

>>7025587
If you want to stand out you need to strive for better than just adequate.

>>7025578
>Maybe a proper pause menu would be better?
Shades of Mega Man 1?

>>7025667
Yeah, something like that. I'm not saying that the one in there right now is terrible, but boss fights are pretty rough when you have to switch weapons while shit's flying at you.

>But I'd go with MMC1 as it allows more flexible banking and save game support which is kind of needed for an RPG unless you want to have 100 character passwords.
>yeah i don't think I'd want to use UNROM for an RPG. actually nowadays there's probably no reason to choose it over MMC1 unless you're autistic enough to insist on a physical cartridge run. the CHR RAM version of MMC1 provides all of the same capabilities as UNROM and more.
I do plan to put the completed game on a catridge. :P Why would i make an nes game if not. Thing is, cost of pcb+chips is almost double from a unrom -> mmc1.
Programming wise, switching mappers can be done in 5 minutes with my current setup.
>I looked at the game and there's 42 unused bytes at the top of the PRG. Might you fill these with something? Seems like a waste to leave that space empty.
I'm switching mappers, so I have tons of freespace now.
>Found the queen. Beat the knight guy but the green dude is pretty tough.
Thank you for playing this far. Green guys is has a very expecific pattern to beat.
He's also the last boss for this version.

>*Tiled movement is clunky
I will need to fix this, as is a common complaint for most.
>*Unless the magic meter was given something other than the ice rod to do, magic meter is almost pointless.
Theres another weapon that uses the magic meter, but its hidden. Its in plain sigh, but hidden. Think Link's Awakening.
>*I like the 2-player aspect. 2nd player with boomerang equipped worked well.
Thank you. One of my goals was to create a "nes secret of mana".
>*Inventory management is tough when there's a fight going on as things are now. Maybe a proper pause menu would be better?
I hated 2 player mana games with the constant pause to use menus. maybe game should pause in 1 player mode only?
>*Graphics are a little ho-hum (FF Adventure is a good starting point) but functional.
Agree, graphics a weak. I'm no artist. Also, this is a NROM game, so think SMB1, not SMB3 when comparing. :)
>If you're interested I might know a guy who knows about NES graphics.
Would consider for future games.

>>7025721
>maybe game should pause in 1 player mode only?
Good call.
>Would consider for future games.
I have lots of notes and stuff written up for a non-standard turn-based RPG for future games. Was looking into doing away with HP and MP in an interesting but functional way. Did some mockups in C for gameboy but I'm a graphics guy, not a programmer.

>>7025505
Is this running on a real nes?

>>7025712
it'd be better and more productive to just distribute it as a ROM, maybe put it on Steam and charge $10 for it. after all, this isn't 1988 and you're limited by budget to a specific cartridge configuration.

>>7025748
Yeah