/vr/ - Retro Games

No

I still find it irritating that newer versions of MAME can break older ROM sets because the checksums have changed. Retroarch is shit though. They just leech everyone elses emulators while contributing nothing.

>>7019943
What do you contribute by downloading the emulator the retroarch core is based on vs retroarch itself?

Okay. So apparently it's F1 to open a menu and exit the game.
And in true retroarch fashion, this boots you right back to the very first menu - rather than the directory you were just browsing.

Doesn't help that all the cores are dogshit
Eventually you'll come to the conclusion that if you're not willing to track down the original hardware and do things right, you might as well just watch a youtube let's play. There's no worthwhile middle ground.

>>7019950
Do you mean like shithub bug reports? I don't use retroarch.

>>7019937
Once you start controlling it with a gamepad it makes total sense.

>>7019943
Retroarch is just a frontend.

>>7019970
Retroarch is basically a wrapper for "everyone elses emulators" which are called cores. I was asking how using a core on retroarch vs using the actual emulator affects the creator of the emulator at all.

Imagine being casual filtered by an emulator used in fucking Android phones

>>7019943
>while contributing nothing.
Quoted for truth. Some of these cores are based on 15+ year old versions of other emulators.

>>7019937
>Alright - Let's load a nes game... Opens Mario.NES - Suggested Cores: "" - Click on the "" - retroarch crashes.
Nigger are you too stupid to download a core beforehand?

>>7019992
>affects the creator of the emulator at all.
>creator releases his emulator as free software
>later cries "nooo you can't reuse my software"

>>7020015
To shit on Retroarch you have to pretend to be a retard.

>>7020015
>File says ".NES"
>Retroarch Suggested Cores: "Hurr Durr I don't know"
>Click only option - assuming it will bring up a menu of cores to select from
>Fucking crashes.

>>7019943
>They just leech everyone elses emulators while contributing nothing.
Except that's wrong, retard.
>>7020012
>Quoted for truth. Some of these cores are based on 15+ year old versions of other emulators.
Nigger are you retarded? Most of them are up to date, and any out of date cores are kept for the specific purpose of running old rom hacks from decades ago.
>>7020027
>Menu has TWO options for downloading cores first
>skip those and immediately go to play game even though it's commonly accepted knowledge you need the cores first to play games and RA doesn't have
>ITS THE PROGRAMS FAULT IM RETARDED
Nigger how do you dress yourself in the morning?

>>7019967
>Doesn't help that all the cores are dogshit
Is lower input latency and a wealth of options dogshit now?

>>7020037
bait.

>>7020051
he's right you know

>>7019937
>How do I exit a game and return to the menu?
You press the guide / PS button on your controller and then select "Exit game"? Like on the console the menu is based on?

>Then why can't I press a letter to skip to the files starting with "S" for instance.
I'm starting to see a theme here... RetroArch is to be used with a controller primarily.

>Oh great, now a search menu has opened. How do I exit it. ESC?
A controller nigga, do you own one?

>Surely, C:\Users\Downloads would be a popular enough location to warrant being a default?
What is a portable app for 100 please, Jeff?

>Alright - Let's load a nes game... Opens Mario.NES - Suggested Cores: "" - Click on the "" - retroarch crashes.
...

>>7020037

>>7020095
What version is this? Mine doesn't look like that...
>>7020037
>>7020082
Why do I get the feeling that if Retroarch required you to insert a rusty spoon in your ass to boot games - you guys would defend it.

>>7020107
It's just regular old RetroArch. The problem is you going "Waaah, waaah it's all so difficult. There's stuff to read and settings to set. I don't like it."

>>7020115
So you're saying that it's impossible for it to be better? Got it.
Well, at least the team did their best... I guess that counts for something.

lol brainlets

>>7019937
MAME also improved and became more user friendly over the years. RetroArch is jank and the developers are too up their own asses to even realize it or care.

Retroarch is retard-unfriendly and this is a good thing.

>>7019995
You aren't as smart as you think you are.

>>7020089
>>7020051
Nice argument.
>>7020107
>>7020121
Why do I get the feeling you're a literal stupid nigger who thinks the minute a program doesn't do exactly what you want, it's the program's fault?
>So you're saying that it's impossible for it to be better? Got it.
It's not their fault you can't follow simple instructions.
>>7020130
>RetroArch is jank and the developers are too up their own asses to even realize it or care.
They gave you a better UI than this shit >>7020095 and you still bitch even after you ignore the descriptions for each menu item.

>>7020147
>BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THING WONT DO THIS THING EVEN THOUGH IM SUPPOSED TO DOWNLOAD OTHER THING FIRST
>NO U
Are you illiterate?

>software emulation
What's it like being retarded?

Either buy the original consoles, most of which are still cheap as shit, or wait for FPGA to get good.

>>7020163
software emulation is better than fpga emulation though

Does nobody use the emulation wiki to find the best emuators/cores to play their ROMs on?

>>7020148
>They gave you a better UI than this shit >>7020095 # and you still bitch even after you ignore the descriptions for each menu item.
What don’t you understand about not wanting to have read a guide first in order to make full use of an emulator? People like me who bitch about RA do so because goes against the established conventions of every emulator or frontend that came before it. None of us had to read a manual in order to use MAME or Snes9x or whatever. And as far as simpler alt UIs go, I’ve used to the Windows shell style one, and guess what? It’s missing a lot of the options the annoying full screen UI has. And of course you’re going to ask me which options and to prove it, but I’m sorry I’m not too eager to return to a program I haven’t used in months because it irritated the shit out of me.

>>7020180
I do, I love that wiki. Every time you see a retard asking about good emulators or where to get ROMs you just know they haven't read the sticky.

>>7020121
>So you're saying that it's impossible for it to be better? Got it.
Where did I say that? Are you actually trying to be the most annoying little stir-up-some-shit bitch you can possibly be right now? You're over there struggling with launching, exiting and browsing games but at the same backtalking people. Really?

>>7020183
It holds your hand. One of the best wikis ever made, a credit to the hobby.
You need help?
CHECK THE WIKI IN THE STICKY

>>7020015
>>7020027
hey man in all fairness, most of the NES cores outside of Mesen either crash RA or dont boot FDS games.

Also for some reason i re-installed retroarch because it all the sudden not a single shader wanted to work, and now jojo's hftf doesnt work on Final Burn Neo core while it did before.

Imagine needing a guide for RA.

People having this much trouble with RA must be baiting/trolling and I guess I'm biting.

>>7019937
retroarch, like all open source software, is completely unintuitive and backwards
There's something about the linux brain that demands shit be pointlessly incomprehensible.

>>7020441
>pointlessly incomprehensible.
for retards such as yourself

>>7019937
I never fucked with Retroarch before but I got a tablet for cheap so I decided to pop Retroarch and a bunch of games on, it was pretty easy to set up there is just a metric fuckton of options to go through.
I probably spent hours last night just going through different shaders
Is the android version simplified?

retroarch sucks so much dick, it's only worth using on android, and android alone, because it's really the only choice you got.

>>7020442
GIMP
>great software with a UI so janky that it got a major overhauL
blender
>great software with a UI so janky that it got a major overhaul
linux
>What if the only way to change an important setting was through a terminal text editor, but like a specific one
retroarch
>what if we put settings in a hogwarts shifting staircase of menus that sometimes exist in a core dependent fashion, but it's also not readily apparent or under anything so obvious as "core settings"

>>7020449
>great software with a UI so janky that it got a major overhaul
Is this a bad thing?
>What if the only way to change an important setting was through a terminal text editor, but like a specific one
What settings in particular did you have in mind?
>what if we put settings in a hogwarts shifting staircase of menus..
Retroarch ui is a piece of shit I agree.

>>7020463
>Is this a bad thing?
>Retroarch ui is a piece of shit I agree.
My entire point is that foss suffers needlessly in the usability department due to mind-boggling decisions like splitting a piece of software into several unattached windows or selecting with right click or not being mouse focused on a fucking PC

>retroarch, like all open source software, is completely unintuitive and backwards
>There's something about the linux brain that demands shit be pointlessly incomprehensible.

>What settings in particular did you have in mind?
I think it was sudoers but I don't remember at this point. There's plenty of other linux nonsense of equivalent insanity

>>7019937
The thing that gets me most about retarded posts like this is that, despite being a pc program, there aren’t THAT many keys. Why the fuck don’t you read a manual? It’s not the program’s fault you’re a lazy illiterate slob. If you’re going to use sophisticated dedicated equipment for your hobby at least put in some effort

>>7020396
>>7020416
Most anons here are bordering on tech illiterate, and going from fresh installation to properly setting up more advanced cores like Beetle PSX, which is one of the biggest draws for RA, is a somewhat in-depth process. That's why I created this guide: https://pastebin.com/M5geupfE

>>7020492
So, I just downloaded retroarch, and lo and behold, they are working on a UI overhaul.
So, just like gimp and blender, somebody recognized a problem and decided to actually fix it instead of blaming the user for the software being asinine.

Retroarch shills in this thread. Face it, your frontend is shit and everyone will be better off with standalone emulators

>"shilling" free open-source software
What did he meme by this???

>no anon retroarch is open source so if we do its not really shilling you know?

>>7020446
no, it's the same on wii, wiiu, psp, vita, ps3, android, x86, linux, pi.
Some people are just too retarded.

Thoroughly read https://retroarchleaks.wordpress.com/ and make sure you never donate, as the original developers won't see a cent, and you're simply contributing to sp's vidya fund.

With that out of the way, you should still use retroarch for F R E E, as it's the objectively best way to emulate gen 3-5. Your move, schizo :)

>'"do not donate to them"
>"play it anyways"
No thanks

>>7019937
>How do I exit a game and return to the menu?
Home key > Close content
>In every other emulator that would be the ESC key
Some show the toolbar.
>This was made for playing large libraries right? Then why can't I press a letter to skip to the files starting with "S" for instance.
Use the search function.
>Oh great, now a search menu has opened. How do I exit it. ESC?
Back button on keyboard/controller.
>Surely, C:\Users\Downloads would be a popular enough location to warrant being a default?
No, because only normies leave files in that folder. Decent people have a roms folder. If using retropie it has its own directory for obvious reasons.
>Alright - Let's load a nes game... Opens Mario.NES - Suggested Cores: "" - Click on the "" - retroarch crashes.
What did you expect? You've got a butchered installation without cores, and by the sound of it other things too.
I've used retroarch on Wii, PSP, 3DS, PS3, Android, W7 and Mint and only had problems on Mint because of deprecated hardware, so you're clearly just retarded.

>>7020582
DONATE TO MY PATREON

>>7020645
Well, no. I've been specifically recommending the opposite of that, which means that can't possibly fall under any definition of shilling.

>>7020657
Oh well, I'm just playing double's advil cat

>>7020482
I kinda quessed that you meant sudoers but honestly it's not even really something that a "casual" user is expected to touch. Feels like you are just expecting everything to behave like windows and then getting frustrated when it doesn't.
Also I still agree that the Retroarch UI is really horrible but I don't see what the fuck that has to do with gimp, blender or even open source.

>>7020015
>t. retroarch apologist
Not accounting for a null case is shit software design.

Emulator UIs were already perfected when NESticle came out, and somehow RetroArch still completely botched it.

Apparently most emulator developers hate the RetroArch guys also, and a lot of the RetroArch cores are out of date/broken in weird ways because of this.

>>7019937
Retroarch is amazing for PS1 emulation due to beetle-hw and garbage for everything else.

>>7019992
they add a bunch of extra shit on top of those cores, like shaders, input delay stuff, and a terrible menu system, in fairness its the only front end that lets you back to the menu without closing the game which makes it great if you play on a tv

>>7020037
Learn to form an argument instead of name calling and people might take you seriously

>>7020107
>What version is this? Mine doesn't look like that...
It'll run like this after a few hours of setup, and they changed the theme to one that looks like switch now i think anyway

>>7020551
Thats great, anytime I've ever googled an issue with RA its been about the UI, and every time they blame it on the user.

>>7020737
Low IQ.

These threads are great cause its just retards proclaiming that they're too stupid to run a simple frontend

>>7020707
There are no casual linux users IMO.
I wasn't trying to do anything ludicrous. my linux use case is toe-deep
I don't get frustrated when linux doesn't use drive letters and has mount points. I get frustrated when time zones are listed by some city in that time zone rather than the time zone itself.

Retroarch has a shit UI because it is open source software.

>>7020832
>JUST USE MY SHITTY FRONTEND AND SHUT UP

>>7020863
Retroarch has an excellent UI for the original intended use case, which is an HTPC couch setup with a controller. Also, once it's setup, getting into any given game takes about two seconds.

>>7020082
Retroarch is a great way to emulate a wide variety of different consoles in Linux, it took me about five minutes to finagle the settings to where I want them, sorry you're too dumb to figure it out OP maybe ZSNES and Nesticle are more your speed?

>>7020898
good now how do I use the keyboard to play games instead of retardedly getting the menu or speeding up the game

>>7019937
The truly unforgivable part is not having manual control over which cores you load at any given time. If retroarch is wrong about which cores to suggest when opening a certain rom or playlist, you can't use the correct core.

The whole playlist idea is good but should not be so heavily emphasized in basic usage.

In general the functionality of the program is great, but it takes days to truly learn and is far to eccentric to truly be considered a success.

The cheat engine makes me so mad that I don't even want to talk about it.

Somebody will create a version with a sane interface and design philosophy and nobody will ever use RA again.

>>7020935
>If retroarch is wrong about which cores to suggest when opening a certain rom or playlist, you can't use the correct core
You can assign a specific core to an entire playlist and never have to manually choose which core to load it with ever again. Nice and easy.
>but it takes days to truly learn
Every complex piece of software has a learning curve. There's really nothing you can do about that outside of shipping it with sensible defaults (retroarch does this), and having robust documentation (retroarch also does this). If end users are unwilling to read the docs before vomiting vague criticisms, or complaining about things that are clearly explained in said docs, then perhaps it just isn't the program for them. That's perfectly fine.
>Somebody will create a version with a sane interface and design philosophy and nobody will ever use RA again
PRs welcome.

Idk all I do is go to the content, load it, add it to favorites and load shit from there

>>7019937
imagine needing a GUI front-end for what is essentially 3 commands, less if you just use a .bat file to launch your emulator of choice and a game. how does this tiny little program continue to filter so many people, more than 25 years after its inception?

>>7021048
>doing things the worst way imaginable

This week I was messing around with retroarch on ubuntu 20.04, trying out shaders and stuff. Using openGL the crt.royale shader wasnt working, it just blurred the screen, so I've changed to vulkan and put the slang shader, it took a few seconds to crt.royale.composite to finally get ON, it looks really awesome and smooths out the dither from ps1 games, the problem was that everytime I load a game it took a few seconds in blackscreen to finally start so I was trying other shaders from the list, until I put one that I don't remember the name and the video driver crashed so so hard that not even changing tty and killing retroarch or xorg fixed so I had to reboot, fucking rekt. Uninstall, I'll keep mednafen with it's simple scanlines thank you very much.

>>7019937
Op is retarded thou, use a fucking controller with guide button and everything makes sense you fucking sloth

>>7021258
Either your system is too weak for Royale because you're lacking a discrete gpu, or your pedo OS is broken.

>>7020935
>not having manual control over which cores you load at any given time. If retroarch is wrong about which cores to suggest when opening a certain rom or playlist, you can't use the correct core.
You can load the core first, then load the rom.

>>7019943
So don't throw away your old versions of mame.

>>7020182
>What don’t you understand about not wanting to have read a guide first in order to make full use of an emulator?
Nigger, how hard is it to read a description in a menu?
>None of us had to read a manual in order to use MAME
Yeah, and then you tried to play a Neogeo or CPS2 game that warned you a BIOS was missing and you scoured online for a place that had it for you to dump in your zip file.
>And as far as simpler alt UIs go, I’ve used to the Windows shell style one, and guess what?
The only time you use that is when you want to add a game to a playlist when the auto scan doesn't think your roms doesn't comply with the naming conventions of the libretro playlists, which admittedly is dumb. Otherwise the Switch menu is straight forward.
>It’s missing a lot of the options the annoying full screen UI has
Then use the fucking switch menu you stupid nigger. Goddamn are you fucking stupid.
>I’m sorry I’m not too eager to return to a program I haven’t used in months because it irritated the shit out of me.
You're irritated because you're lazy and lack any mental retention of a basic ass UI that explains what most of the settings do.
>>7020449
>retroarch
>great software with a UI so janky that it got a major overhaul
ftfy. If the switch menu is too overwhelming then you're unfit to tie your shoes.
>>7020754
Learn how to use software with a self-explanatory UI, stop making easily debunked criticisms, and people won't think you're a legit invalid who forgets how to eat.

>>7021287
Did I point any finger to make your feefees hurt? Go fuck yourself, you can clearly read that something wasnt compatible between my driver and the current version of retroarch, you fucking retard

>>7019937
>F1 keys break the zoomer

>>7021361
>pedo has a melty
Oh no!

>>7021207
>AHHHHH OH GOD NOT THE CD (change directory for the newf*gs) CONMAND
Cope. And potentially, seethe.

>>7021523
>newf*gs
>*
Faggot

>>7021301
>Download retroarch 200 megs, 600 meg install
>Navigate menus, arrow keys are obvious, but buttons show for pad, doesn't switch to show keyboard, despite detecting keyboard inputs

>Okay, how do I change skins?
>Settings,User Interface, Appearance, Should be in here, right?
>No. It's under fucking drives.
>Requires restart to apply, doesn't mention this.
>Every other driver option changes some invisible aspect of the program

>Download cores, wait for it to get a list of every emulator possible
>Takes a while, why doesn't it just ship with that and update if you tell it to or update on an individual core when you download it
>Download mesen, that's the NES emulator I want
>Okay, I wanna disable sprite limits
>Settings, Core, right? No, this is settings about cores
>I literally can't find the mesen settings menu

>Whatever, load game, starts up
>How do I make this fullscreen? Alt-Enter doesn't work, Double click the screen, no.
>Okay, click the file menu bar, toggle exclusive fullscreen
>Now stuck in fullscreen, mouse is locked to screen, click menu is gone.
>How do I get the RA system menu back?
>Press Esc, Press escape again to quit, no that's not it
>Press random, keys oh it's fucking F1
>Oh, actually configuring the core require it be running a game apparently
>Oh hey I want purple sky palette or a custom palette
>Can't preview existing palettes or create a custom palette becuase that menu doesn't work on switch/znes/XMB whatever menu.

>Download mesen standalone, 17mb
>Everything works perfectly.

RetroArch’s UI is designed for controllers and couldn’t be simpler to use! I just plug in my Sega Saturn controller, boot up RetroArch, assign the buttons to, like, an Xbox controller layout, then start a Genesis game, but the buttons are wrong, so I go into the core settings and assign the Xbox layout buttons to what the Saturn buttons are supposed to be, but forget what Xbox buttons I assigned the Saturn buttons to, so go back into the main RetroArch controller set up menu and memorize what Saturn button correlates to what Xbox button, and then go into the core settings and assign the Saturn buttons to the Xbox buttons that my Saturn controller is assigned to.

How is that harder than Kega Fusion?

>>7019937
>This was made for playing large libraries right?
No.

Rather the opposite in my opinion. RetroArch is for people who have the desire to play a few games at a time and play them well.

It's not designed to be n00b and casual friendly (although it is). It's designed to be flexible and allow you play games -just- how you want to play them. It's not Hyperspin.

For people who have been using emulators for years RetroArch is a god-send and kind of an end-game.

>>7019986
RetroArch is more than a front-end since it adds options the stand-alone emulators don't have.

>>7020935
>The truly unforgivable part is not having manual control over which cores you load at any given time. If retroarch is wrong about which cores to suggest when opening a certain rom or playlist, you can't use the correct core.
You use "set core association" right before you run the game. You want to use a different core then do it again the next time.

>but it takes days to truly learn and is far to eccentric to truly be considered a success.
Exactly how I like my programs. I do not want it dumbed down.

>>7021591
Well, technically those are part of the libretro api and could be used by other software. It just that there is no other software worth mentioning for the api. Retroarch is the only frontend for it.

>>7021556
I'm sorry you're literally too stupid to read the descriptors in the Switch menu. Also nice lying faggot
>How do I make this fullscreen? Alt-Enter doesn't work, Double click the screen, no.
>Okay, click the file menu bar, toggle exclusive fullscreen
>Now stuck in fullscreen, mouse is locked to screen, click menu is gone.
Is VIDEO: CHANGE VIDEO OUTPUT SETTINGS too understand?
>Download mesen standalone, 17mb
>Everything works perfectly.
Yeah, because no one's ever had to adjust settings in standalones.

>>7021619
fullscreen is f

>>7021615
You are correct. Perhaps we should start memeing "ackshually what you are using is not RetroArch but is instead RetroArch+Libretro or as I call it it RetroarchslashLibretro".

>>7021619
3 menus deep
"Start in fullscreen mode"
What does this do?
>Any normal piece of software:
when you open the emulator, it will be in fullscreen
>Retroarch:
That's the fullscreen toggle

>>7021619
None of that was a lie

It definitely seems like apologists ITT. I've known a few people who are very tech literate and still found it unintuitive.

But for me, the even bigger drawback is that it is basically an unnecessary front-end for other emulators. Since I play modern games too, I don't want a library manager/GUI that's limited to emulation. So instead, I get one of the popular managers, and just run the emulators directly (usually straight to fullscreen playing) through that.

>>7021537
Still a newf*g, censored or not.

>>7021523
Okay, what's the command for rebind controls while you're playing?

>>7019937
imagine getting this mad over a free program instead of learning it.

we make fun of people like you.

>>7021662
You can run retroarch cores through other front ends, you don't have to use the GUI at all if you don't want

No one uses retroarch for the UI aspect. They use it because it completely outclasses almost every standalone emulator in terms of input delay, audio/video syncing and shader support if you're into that kind of thing. Once you get used to frame delay, GPU syncing and runahead other emulators feel just awful in comparison

>>7020095
No one cares cuck

>>7021741
>cuck
please go back to /v/

>>7020183
>>7020278
>reading a fucking wiki
Nobody has time for that shit, retard.
Why couldn't they just make it easier for people with lives?

>>7021749
Seethe harder

>>7021758
>seethe
do you know how to speak in non-meme or is this just how you are

>>7019937
>How do I exit a game and return to the menu? In every other emulator that would be the ESC key, but not retroarch.
go to input >hotkeys and change it, you can make esc close the content just like you described it
>Then why can't I press a letter to skip to the files starting with "S" for instance
the left and right shoulder buttons skips straight to the next letter. The search function makes more sense on the controller which is what you should be using when on the defeault xmb menu. otherwise just boot up to the desktop menu and you can do it the way you want it

>>7021695
Depends on the emulator you're using. Maybe try reading the readme.txt file?

preach OP. retroarch is not user friendly, especially once you've used something like OpenEmu.

>>7021848
Does openemu have the same input delay mitigation features and shader support that retroarch does? Because I'm not married to retroarch but that's why I use it.

>>7019937
seeing technologically impaired boomers and zoomers alike being filtered by a goddamn bootleg xmb ui is honestly funnier than playing videogames

>>7021556
ugh, I'm literally cringing about how tough life must be for you, struggling like that.

Fuck... At least I feel much better about myself now.

>>7021851
OpenEmu has shader support, yes. It has very little functionality for 3d emulators however so you should use stand alone emus for things like gamecube and ps1. OpenEmu is a mac program however, so if you don't have a mac you're stuck with retroarch

>>7020082
>Like on the console the menu is based on?
The console the menu is based on didn't have hundreds of lines to potentially scroll through if you're doing more than just starting up a game. It doesn't work well for that, and since people talk about how it has all this extra functionality, making it an annoyance to work with isn't ideal. That's the main reason people hate the interface. It's really just not efficient and it's kind of bizarre to me that people get so defensive when someone criticizes it for this.

>>7019937
You play with a xbox controller and use the center xbox button to access the menus. I used to hate it but the last version is pretty good and feels intuitive to me. Setting it up is a pain in the ass though and the settings menu remain a clusterfuck of non-intuitive submenus within submenus.

>>7021662
What playnite theme is that?

>>7019992
It gives the retroarch people an ill-deserved sense of accomplishment or superiority when they shouldn't have either.

>>7019937
If you are really this braindead and don't know how to use a basic program where most everything is self explanatory, just get a pi4 or pi3 if you're poor. Literally just flash a microsd card and done.

>>7019937
Filename says it all.

>>7019937
Like this anon says >>7019978 it was clearly made to work with gamepads.
Its still a clunky mess though, a keyword search function would go a long way for navigating the menus.

>>7019937
Didn't even mention the worst parts
>change controls for a game
>shit menu but whatev
>didn't save, oh I have to hit save ok
>oh I have to save for THIS Core only
>can't set a button to fast forward
>oh that's hidden in a separate fucking menu
Still haven't figured out how to turbo or macro mappings
The best emulators out there are openemu on Mac and the gx emulators on wii.

Aww neat, it's another retards who can't figure out Retroarch episode

>>7019937
Retroarch is for no-life losers who like to spend their weekends reading wikis and configuring settings.
Just use Mesen for NES games.

>>7022568
I figured it out. I still don't like it.

>>7019967
mednafen is anything but dogshit my friend.

>>7022648
then launch cores through a different interface then you silly billy

>>7019937
It's shitty to use, but not unusably shitty. What else cuts input lag down as much, has shaders as good, with per game configuration like Retroarch? Just deal with it or change the hotkeys, I dunno man.

I ve been running retroarch on various ARM platforms for two years now. Its crap, but it works. My impression is, whoever coded this, is an unapologetic asshole, with an obvious disregard for human intuition.

>>7019937
>retroarch
>RA shill pic
This is such spam b8 thread. Squarepusher should be banned from all boards and forced to buy ads for his shitty frontend which steals GPL codes.

>>7019937
its easy but all of the menu styles suck except rgui

>>7023086
Go back to /emugen/ where you belong, tranny

>>7019967

yeah but all the people playing on youtube are emulating on those same emulators.

>>7022028
It's pretty effortless to navigate if you have a triple digit IQ.

>>7019967
Parallel is by far the best N64 emulator out there, like it's not even close

>>7023235
You would think emugen would be a lot less shit to post in considering how slow they are.
I guess theyre so slow because they piss off anyone else who would stay.

>>7023354
Because all they do is complain instead of improving anything

>>7023354
Emugen is great. If you're too thin-skinned, go to the reddit emulation discord instead.

>>7023308
mupen64plus-next is the more active and up to date n64 core, it's worth using over parallel now

>>7023308
>>7023469
Project 64 chad here, but only because my PC can't handle anything else

>>7023469
Except that it doesn’t resemble the N64 look
It’s fine if you just want to play higher res games, just don’t go expecting authenticity

>>7021854
You're cringing because the software you like has demonstrably garbage UI?

>>7023723
Stick to flash carts mate

>>7023502
It incorporates Parallel and all of its features now. Parallel is not worth using in any way.

>>7019943
I've found out embarrassingly recently that you can download the update sets and have MAME search for multiple folders, which is at least a somewhat easy way to keep up with MAME as those sets are small-ish and easy to find.

Still blows, though.

>>7019943
Isn't ParaLLEi exclusive to Retroarch? It's the best N64 emulator.

>>7019937
Blame everything on the project owner, he strongly imposes his preferences on everyone, so every single time someone thinks of making it more intuitive, he shuts them down.

>>7023840
He's right though and you just sound all asspained
Also flash carts are 100x better than faggy emulation

>>7021721
Good to know

For me it's rgui.

>>7021645
>3 menus deep
Of which takes less than minute to access
>>7021651
He's lying about how hard it is.
>>7021692
You can faggot here, faggot.
>>7021760
>>7021749
Go be a cuck on >>>/reddit/

>>7022561
>The best emulators out there are openemu on Mac
Fuck no. Of course a macnigger can't into RA

>>7024489
It's just clobber being clobber, he's done this so many times before, and has been outed and embarrassed multiple times on emugen for his antics.

>>7019937
Retroarch is for the people that want to keep all libraries for all consoles at the same time, and play them from one frontend with shared settings for image output and controls. Pretty autistic desire if you ask me but hey, if people want it and the devs provide, more power th them. Of course if you just want to try some game once in a while you are better off with a dedicated emulator.

>>7024485
>underage cuck spam
this is why no one wanted 6th gen on /vr/

>>7024527
>Retroarch is for the people that want to keep all libraries for all consoles at the same time, and play them from one frontend with shared settings for image output and controls.

That's not why I use retroarch at all. I use it because it offers lower input delay and better video syncing than other solutions. I would happily use standalones if they had the same input delay mitigation features, but the only standalone I know of that comes kind of close is bsnes

>>7020182
>None of us had to read a manual in order to use MAME
Bullshit.
And go try doing anything with mednafen, supermodel or any other command line emuator without the manual.

>>7024527
>if you actually want to play through games, retroarch is better
>if you just want to mess around for a little while and then go do something else, standalone is better
That's a surprisingly accurate take. Most people really aren't interested in playing through retro vidya, they want to fire up a game from their childhood, get some quick nostalgic feels, and then go back to playing their modern vidya. It doesn't make sense for this type of user to go through all of the trouble to use retroarch, because none of the features that set retroarch apart from standalone is relevant to their use case. I'd push this even further that there's really no reason for them to use standalone emulators either, when mini consoles exist, and give them even more nostalgic feels.

For the rare user that's interested in emulating these games and playing all the way through them, the initial setup for retroarch is but a tiny hurdle, and they're likely to be tech savvy enough to appreciate the differences.

What's the biggest pleb filter in RetroArch?

>>7024691
the menu is what it seems like

>>7021714
Imagine bending over backwards to defend a shitty, confusing GUI.

>>7024691
The lead dev apparently
Triggers emugen trannies hard

>>7023723
No, that someone struggles so much with the most basic things.

>>7024812
I prefer to look at it like retro vidya. The zoomer can't possibly comprehend playing anything before the era of constant checkpoints and quest arrows. He lashes out and blames retro games for his inability to grasp mechanics that don't hold his hand every step of the way. Meanwhile, xoomers and millennials grew up in a time before kids had their brains turned to mush by gacha shit from the time they were toddlers, and have no problem engaging with challenging games. It just comes naturally to them.

With you zoomers, the moment your hand stops being held, you completely lose your composure. It's sad, really.

>>7025449
Cringe

>>7025464
Yes, being unable to navigate a simple menu system without having a melty is indeed cringe.

>>7025483
The way you type and express yourself is faggy and cringe, even if I do agree with your general point. Have sex nerd

Just works for me.

>>7025571
Have Gex, troon.

>>7025138
>No, that someone struggles so much with the most basic things.
Like understanding basic UI conventions and usability?
>Escape should open a menu
>Alt-Enter or F11 to toggle fullscreen, calling toggle fullscreen "toggle fullscreen" and not "start in fullscreen"
>Skin doesn't go in the same menu as sound backend

>>7025574
based tailtimer

>>7026963
Is this really even an issue beyond the first time you use it or are you really that dumb?

>>7024445
its super comfy

>>7026973
>lightswitch installed backwards
>up turns lights off
"Hey, you installed this wrong"
>"Is this really even an issue beyond the first time you use it or are you really that dumb?"

>>7027010
Thanks for proving how retarded you are with that analogy

>>7026980
Give me zsnes colors

>>7027013

>>7019937
This is what happens when autistic freetards design anything

>>7027010
>>up turns lights off
but that's the correct installation

>>7022991
Based and ATHF-Pilled

>>7027010
>up turns lights off
Yes, this is how most of the world installs switches. I bet you don't even use the arm rest on toilets either.

>>7027051
>>7027042

>>7027063
You know you are just proving yourself wrong with your analogy right?
Different switches have different ways they work and after using it once you should know how they work

>>7027068
Established, intuitive, conventions subverted for ???? reasons.
Even if you want to say "In my country, light switches flip down to turn on", you'd still be annoyed by the orientation being flipped.

>>7019937
MAME sucks.
Retroarch sucks.
Multi Emulators are all ass.
The worst part is that they steal real dev hours from good projects.

>>7021615
Glad you admitted that it's not just a front end.

>>7027101
>all light switches are one type
Ok mate

>>7027104
>make open source emulators with terrible basic GUI
Why on earth should a dev care?

>>7027128
Look, I understand you come from a country where cold and hot water come out of different faucets, but meet me halfway or I'll switch your keyboard to dvorak

>>7027139
>oh no my analogy is failing

>>7021721
>You can run retroarch cores through other front ends, you don't have to use the GUI at all if you don't want
>No one uses retroarch for the UI aspect. They use it because it completely outclasses almost every standalone emulator in terms of input delay, audio/video syncing and shader support if you're into that kind of thing. Once you get used to frame delay, GPU syncing and runahead other emulators feel just awful in comparison
This makes the most sense. Use retroarch simply for the cores, and launch those directly from your fav GUI once configured.

>>7027143
>SPDT lever switches don't exist, nor do comparisons involving orientation conventions thereof

>>7027171
I mean I use LaunchBox for sorting my games but I still have it connected to RA cores

>>7027178
>orientation conventions
And this is where you are wrong

>>7027189
You don't have up=on or even up=off in your country? Explain that.

>>7027197
What part of there are many different types of switches do you not understand

Is there a basic shader that works well with everything SD?

>>7027236
Depends what kind of look you're going for.

>>7027236
Xm29 plus in the presets folder probably

>>7027242
I care about fidelity to the extent that it makes the best out of the original art, which consciously catered to what was available then. But once that is secured, I also want to enhance the image in a conservative projection from that, e.g. not reintroducing flickers, transparencies or other unwanted effects. Mayne some effects that just work well in general for outputting to LCD.

>>7027227
"Why did you install an industrial lever,the kid you would use to reanimate a corpse if you were a mad scientist from a horror movie, in your bathroom?"
>"There are many switches, my friend."

>>7027263
There's 3 presets folders now, no? Do you mean the latest one that has Vulkan stuff?

>>7027269
I also hate when they alter the borders of the screen, is that really necessary?

>>7027269
There's no one-size fits all for every console. Check every preset, and see if there's something you like. If not, find the thing that's closest to what you like, and modify it until you like it. I'm partial to my many royale presets, but you may like something entirely different.

>>7027296
Which one is that?

>>7027310
https://pastebin.com/e6BBdqBi

>>7027281
No, just use the default shaders that come with RA and go to the slang shaders for vulkan and there should be one presets folder or use the gl shaders if you don’t use vulkan

I visit /vr/ once every other week and there's always at least one thread dedicated entirely to cry about this free software's UI.

Must be hard. Hang in there anon.

>>7027275
>I am silly
It’s ok, I accept your concession

>>7022028
click L1, R1 or your equivalent buttons and it will jump right to the next letter

>>7027363
If something is being consistently criticized, there might be something to the criticism.

>>7027389
Or it's just contrarianism, considering "popular thing = shit" is the #1 thread topic on this board.

>>7027415
Or it's RA's insane design logic. You could write a thesis about the design mistakes.

>>7027458
Seems like it'd be less effort to just spend an hour or so familiarizing yourself with all of the settings, like you would with after effects, or photoshop, or gimp, or vegas pro, set things up to where you're happy with them, and then just play your vidyas without ever touching the settings again.

>>7027467
Weird how you group an emulator frontend with professional editing software..

>>7027547
It's not a frontend, as has been thoroughly explained to you by other anons in the thread already, and I don't find the comparison strange at all. Like the aforementioned applications, retroarch feature-rich and designed for power users. If you're deep enough in the scene that you could understand and appreciate the features offered beyond standalone emulators, investing a small amount of time to learn how everything works is trivial.

For the casual user, there's mini consoles, retail emulation, and certain standalone emulators. All of those options are perfectly fine for that audience. What seems strange with RA, though not uniquely so when you examine other such cases, is the entitlement coming from a vocal minority of casual users. They hear about the benefits, but instead of that motivating them to learn the program so they can enjoy said benefits, they throw tantrums and demand things be tailored to their low level of competency.

The dirty little secret there is that it will never work that way, because all of those settings MUST be configured on both a per-user and per-core basis, and in order to do that, you need to be at least moderately tech literate.

>>7027621
The vast configuration options is not the issues, dumbfuck. Retroarch is UNINTUITIVE. Got that?

Adjective Edit
unintuitive (comparative more unintuitive, superlative most unintuitive)

Not intuitive, not easily graspable by intuition
In particular, counterintuitive; counter to what one's intuition expects.

>>7027629
It's quite intuitive when used with a gamepad. Maybe you just aren't as smart as you think you are.

>>7027621 #
The vast configuration options is not the issue, dumbfuck. Retroarch is UNINTUITIVE. Got that?
"Not intuitive, not easily graspable by intuition
In particular, counterintuitive; counter to what one's intuition expects."

>>7027629
>>7027632
You doing okay there little buddy?

>>7027631
Do not project Retroarch's failure onto me. You blithering idiiot.

>>7019937
>Is there a more unituitive program than this
No, it fucking sucks, but I use it on PC and Wii out of necessity for some games. Otherwise I avoid it and happily run most games on anything but retrofart.

>>7027636
i m good your mum just sat on my dick for a moment, so i have to type with one hand

>>7019937
you're a mental midget if you can't figure it out. I didn't have to 'learn' how to use it. It just werks.

>>7027638
>>7027645
The mask slips, and the unhinged tranny outs himself. As usual, loving every laugh.

>>7027467
>photoshop
An hour, for photoshop. Are you fucking mental?

>>7027621
Retroarch is absolutely a frontend, it's even says that on their fucking website.
You've got this backwards. No one is complaining about technical complexities. The issue is trying to shoehorn picrelated into a console menu, the opposite of a poweruser environment.

This menu, which should be front and center, is fucking hidden away for the sake of something that you can control from your couch.

>>7027671
It's not a frontend. Retropie is a frontend.

>>7027665
>every laugh.
As if you had a sense of humour in your dry, empty skull.

>>7027665
>The mask slips, and the unhinged tranny outs himself
Not them, but that comma is a mistake.

>>7027675
That just so happens to need cores that don't work on anything but retroarch. It's an emulator. It runs the cores.

>>7027665
Seriously though i hope your mental trannies rape you in your dumb retro ass.

>>7027671
It's not hidden away.
It's literally under Settings -> Video
If that's not self-explanatory enough for you I don't know what to tell you.

>>7027671
Why would that menu be front and center when the desire is to create a universal GUI controlled by a gamepad?
>>7027684
Retroarch isn't an emulator.

>>7027690
>Retroarch isn't an emulator.
Right. And my car is not a vehicle, it's a motor vehicle.

>>7027675

>>7027690
>Why would that menu be front and center when the desire is to create a universal GUI controlled by a gamepad?
Because that menu actually makes some kind of logical sense

>>7027698
>look at all these emulator functions!
>it's just a frontend dough
Insanity.

>>7027695
A core is an emulator that has gone through libretroization. It is still the emulator.
>>7027698
That's not accurate. An example of a frontend with libretro would be Retropie or Launchbox.

>>7027713
Retro is still an emulator then because it becomes a part of it, unless they've been lying and misleading the entire time.

>>7027709
>>7027713
Let me translate it to autism:
Retroarch IS a frontend.
Retroarch may not be exclusively a frontend.
Retroarch may also be attached to some technical things relating to emulators that are not frontends.
The issues with retroarch are almost exclusively frontend issues.

>>7027726
To explain this in simple terms, you cannot independently load a core into a frontend, just like you cannot load one of mednafen's cores into medgui reborn. You have the core > program > (Optional) frontend. This is exactly how mednafen works. Is mednafen a frontend? Or is medgui reborn? By your rationale, the two are both frontends.

Seriously everyone who hates retroarch for being a bloated, unintuitive piece of crap, stop using it. There are lots of better alternatives anyway.

>>7027726
That's a lot of words just to admit that it's an emulator.

>>7027621
>The dirty little secret there is that it will never work that way, because all of those settings MUST be configured on both a per-user and per-core basis, and in order to do that, you need to be at least moderately tech literate.
What? I use their cores because they have that "just works" effect for lag, inputs, shaders, etc.

>>7027746
>lag
>just works
No, you haven't even scratched the surface.

>>7027743
I mean, yeah you can use it to emulate games, sure.
But if someone said "What emulator is good for playing psx games?", retroarch is inadequate because there are multiple psx emulators you can use through retroarch.
It's like saying Windows is a word processor.

>>7027751
Compared to my stand-alones, it feels really snappy. I'm happy enough with how it comes out of the box.

>>7027770
Sure, it's surprisingly nice with default settings. But if you were to go down that input lag rabbit hole, you have a ton of per-core config work to do.

>>7027727
Internet says medgui is a frontend.
I don't know shit about mednafen.
A frontend isn't an emulator term, if that's what you're thinking.

>>7027778
Yes, medgui is a frontend for mednafen, just like retropie is a frontend for retroarch. Mednafen itself isn't a frontend, in exactly the same way that retroarch isn't.

>autism fight

>>7020863
I don't know what the fuck you've been up to but I've used linux as my main os for several years now and I've never had to deal with shit like setting timezones with a name of the city.
Also Retroarchs ui is stupid because someone made it that way. There are just as much (if not even more) examples of shitty ui on proprietary software.

>>7027785
Yeah, but retroarch can't do anything without the emulator cores, which are all separate projects. It's a frontend.

>>7027815
the installers have the time zones is what hes talking about like america/chicago is usually the default for central time

>>7027776
Would I even be able to tell the difference at a TV/couch/Bluetooth distance?

>>7027856
Input lag is cumulative, so there's definitely going to be a point where it becomes increasingly noticeable. That point is really going to depend on the person, similar to how some people have no problem noticing a 60 to 59fps dip, because the frame pacing no longer feels as smooth. Others claim they can barely tell the difference between 30 and 60fps.

The game you're playing is also going to factor into it, you might not notice several frames of input lag playing final fantasy tactics, but it'd feel really bad in tekken 3.

>>7027836
Then mednafen is also a frontend, and medgui is a frontend for a frontend, and retropie is also a frontend for a frontend. If this is the level of ridiculousness you want to go with, be my guest.

>>7027875
>Others claim they can barely tell the difference between 30 and 60fps.
This can't be real. At least for a free-cam game.

If you've ever actually measured input lag you just know. You just know there's no going back to standalones. It's so far and away better that it's ridiculous.

>>7027621
Based and BigBlue pilled.

>>7027897
I love his LTT video.

>>7027875
I didn't even know what frame pacing was until recently, but I absolutely could notice that some games that were supposedly 60 fps didn't feel smooth at all. I just had no way of describing how or why.

>>7027904
That's something Retroarch really does a great job with compared to most standalone emulators. For other games with inconsistent framepacing, capping your framerate with RTSS (specifically RTSS, not other external utilities) can give you those nice 16.66ms flat frametimes.

>>7027880
>Then mednafen is also a frontend
By what logic?
Retropie is weird because it's a gui, a modification of retroarch if not outright on top of it and also a linux distro or something.

>>7027856
>>7027776

Just so you know anon (since it took me awhile to figure this all out on my own), the general optimal settings for a smooth and snappy experience:

>in video settings make sure fullscreen is on and windowed fullscreen is off
>make sure threaded video is off
>while maybe not necessary, I find retroarch tends to play nicer when set to a 60hz screen mode. 120hz tends to give me some pacing issues
>Under latency settings, depending on the video driver you'e using (I'd recommend either glcore or vulkan, though it can depend on which core you're using and your OS), you'll either see 'Hard GPU Sync' or 'Max swapchain images'. Turn them on and for hard gpu sync set the value to 0, and for swapchain images set the value to 1. Those will have pretty big effect in terms of input delay
>For cores that support it, runahead will make a big difference too. The actual settings are game dependent but I find you can generally turn it on and set frames to 1 without any issues across most games. Also enable 'Use second instance for runahead'

That'll get you started. And make sure these settings are actually set while a core is loaded and make individual core settings, especially for things like runahead. If you find you really notice the difference (it should be night and day) then I can take you further down the rabbit hole if you want

god I want to beat every single one of you stupid motherfuckers over the head with a fucking brick you guys are so stupid it hurts arguing over what a gui and a frontend is holy shit fuck off

I blame Daniel De Matteis.

>>7028063
And here’s the problem
Trannies have some sort of personal beef with him so every time someone mentions RA, they must shit on it

Why aren't you playing the best jrpg on the best playstation emulator?

>>7028063
SP must pay for his ROMs!

>>7028093
Trannies are the ones running RA.

>>7027017
here you go anon

>>7028214
thank you anon but I need the cfg file :( can you paste it?

>>7027945
>specifically RTSS, not other external utilities
What's wrong with Nvidia Control Panel?

>>7028272
https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/12/#:~:text=RTSS%20is%20a%20CPU%2Dlevel,101%3A%20In%2Dgame%20vs.

>>7028251
rgui_entry_normal_color = "0xFF9F9795"
rgui_entry_hover_color = "0xFFE9E5E1"
rgui_title_color = "0xFFA00551"
rgui_bg_dark_color = "0xE7422C84"
rgui_bg_light_color = "0xE7422C84"
rgui_border_dark_color = "0xFF224AFD"
rgui_border_light_color = "0xFF224AFD"
rgui_shadow_color = "0xFF2F1C65"
rgui_particle_color = "0xFFB0B4C8"

>>7028010
What kind of game is best for comparing settings

>>7028301
Find the most demanding game on each system and use that as a baseline. For the playstation, that's Tekken 3.

>>7028301
If you just want to feel the difference, get something like super mario bros and run it in nestopia. Just jump a few times with the latency settings off, then turn everything on and test again. The difference should be like a breath of fresh air

>>7028383
And then try it in a decent emulator like mesen

>>7028306
>balancing off an arcade port

>>7022427
>ill-deserved
Nooo you can't find satisfaction in creating something that conveniences other people's lives!

>>7028214
that's pretty cool

CRT Royale PAL seemed to make the blood look best in Castlevania games.

>>7028010
>Hard GPU Sync
This gives me audio jitters.

>>7028679
Audio crackling means you're dipping below 100% speed, which isn't unexpected since hard sync can pretty heavily boost performance requirements. Even on an 8700k, I don't have enough perf headroom to use hard sync on the most demanding cores like beetle saturn/psx. If your gpu supports vulkan, swapchain 1 does the same thing with no performance hit.

semi related question: What's the best adapter to use an official N64 controller on PC with retroarch? And second best, incase the best is significantly expensive?

Hopefully something that doesn't introduce much lag.

>>7028742
Yeah it was on Beetle PSX, I'll try vulkan.

Cursed post >>7028745

>>7028745
The best adapters these days are the ones that are just 2 dollar arduinos soldered to a 2 dollar extension cord for the controller in question. But I don't know if there's one for the N64 yet.

All the ones I've seen have 1000hz polling and hit around 1ms of latency on average.

>>7028768
well, where do I find any of these arduino guides or products? I'd be interested in making some
>>7028752
why cursed?

>>7028773
>why cursed?
Only controller i ever remember hating.

>>7028784
I hate it too but my autistic daughter refuses to use otherwise when playing emulated 64

>>7028742
>Audio crackling means
YOUR BUFFER IS TOO SHORT

>>7019937
im sub 80 IQ and even I know how to navigate retroarch, you're more of a restart than me. Faggot OP

>>7029727
>you're more of a restart than me
I love you anon.

>>7019937
I still can't believe there isn't a PC equivalent for OpenEmu.
It's not perfect, it could stand to offer more customization, etc, but it just fucking works. You're not playing whack a mole with unintuitive failures (black screens, being bounced back to the menu, etc.) or menu design that decided the most important part of the XMB was the PSP's decision to put everything in overlapping categories and fuck you around hunting for the specific setting you want.

>>7020492
>Why the fuck don’t you read a manual
Almost no other emulator requires a manual. You've used one, you've used them all.
It's absolutely retroarch's fault it breaks with every convention that has existed up to this point.

>>7030235
>Almost no other emulator requires a manual
Try finding the optimal configuration for any shitty plugin based emulator without reading a guide. Bonus points when the best plugins aren't even packaged with the emulator.

Go ahead and tell me RA is worse than that.

>>7030246
At least those usually have a UI that's amenable to just taking a screenshot of the ideal config and then copying it 1:1 without hunting through 40 different menus.
Hell, doesn't PCSX2 even let you export and import configs?

>>7029727
based retard

>>7030248
> to just taking a screenshot of the ideal config and then copying it 1:1
So it's so fucked up that you needed to copy someone else's setting.
>without hunting through 40 different menus
>Hell, doesn't PCSX2 even let you export and import configs?
I'm not sure you've even used retroarch at this point, because it's very easy to copy over configs. Hell, you could copy over every single config for 30 different cores in a single file.

>>7030253
Once you've copied over that setting, it just works. And being a single-console emulator, you don't have to fuck with it again.
I've never had the need to import/export configs in any case, but in retroarch the idea is particularly unappealing because even if someone's setup works fine for a given use case, it'll probably be shit for some other case, and while there's doubtless another 40 menus dedicated to having the two co-exist if I wanted to spend my time on systems management instead of playing ancient games, I'd fire up DCS.

>>7030260
Not that anon, and I agree that the UI is is the worst thing about retroarch and it could definitely be better, but I can go from a clean install to having 4-6 cores, all with their own settings, shader setups and controller configs, built out playlists with thumbnails and some slight menu customization all setup in about 5-10 minutes. And that's with a controller. And then once you have everything setup once, it's all highly portable and for future configs you just drag and drop everything

I guess my point is that while the UI is bad, it doesn't take that long to get used to it and once you do it's at worst a minor inconvenience

>>7030260
>Once you've copied over that setting, it just works
This is exactly how RA works.
>And being a single-console emulator, you don't have to fuck with it again
You don't have to fuck with RA again either. You do understand that one of the most important features is core specific overrides, right? Once you've set things up for each emulator, you're done. It all 'just works' from there, like any other standalone.

>>7030260
But I'll add to this: The thing about shitty plugin based emulators is that they're designed around a standard PC interface. I can click through all of PCSX2 or (god) ePSXe's menus quickly. They put a fuckton of options on the same page, and you can move through them quickly with the mouse. It's so common as to be difficult to describe: It's a standard windows user interface.
Retroarch always has a custom UI. Even if you're not using the 1:1 XMB clone, you're using something designed for controllers with the PC interface as an afterthought. The result always feels sluggish and non-standard, even before you get to features that might not be available. And yeah, I'm aware RA wants portability between platforms - hence the console-style interface as default - that's fine, but I'm setting out the issues for a PC user here.

But then because shitty plugin based emulators, and most standalone emulators in general all use the standard windows interface, you can sort of figure out what you're doing. If you're configured ePSXe, PCSX2 will come to you intuitively, and standalone emulators that don't use plugins will be a breeze. With retroarch you don't get that. You have to learn retroarch.

I suspect that RA is in the perfect area of fucking over the middle ground user, hence why it just works for so many people while failing completely for others. If you just want to play a game, you can load a core and a ROM easily. If you want to go all in on configuration, you'll read all the documentation or just edit config files. But if you're in the middle ground who're at ease with tweaking their emulators in the GUI but don't like editing .cfgs and don't like guides that take more than 5 minutes to skimread, you're sort of screwed.

>>7030279
/thread

>>7030279
>But if you're in the middle ground who're at ease with tweaking their emulators in the GUI but don't like editing .cfgs and don't like guides that take more than 5 minutes to skimread, you're sort of screwed.
I've not read anything on manuals and figured out most of how everything
I've never had issues and almost every setting has an explanation right underneath it
I've never heard anyone have issues with xmb for PSP or PS3 so why now are they complaining?

>>7030279
This entire post was written by someone who just fundamentally doesn't understand what they're talking about.

>>7030291
>I've never heard anyone have issues with xmb for PSP or PS3 so why now are they complaining?
Not him, but I thought it was obvious he was talking about PC users.
>>7030292
This entire post was written by someone without an argument.

>>7030279
>But if you're in the middle ground who're at ease with tweaking their emulators in the GUI but don't like editing .cfgs and don't like guides that take more than 5 minutes to skimread, you're sort of screwed.
Read this guide: https://pastebin.com/M5geupfE follow along, and tell me how long it took to go from a completely fresh installation to a fully configured Beetle PSX.

>>7030279
That is one thing about RA - It's a tweakers paradise. There's so many ways to set things up and it's all done through editable cfg files. I mean shaders alone are a rabbit hole you can get lost in for hours. But paradoxically, it has a GUI designed foremost for controllers. So you have this disconnect between giving tons of in-the-weeds tweaking, but designing it from the ground up for an input device suitable for hands-off use

>>7030293
doubtful, PC users learn new programs all the time

>>7030301
>doubtful, PC users learn new programs all the time
Way to miss the point of his post.

imagine if you spent all this time enriching yourself and learning useful skills instead of bitching about free software no one is forcing you to use

>>7030304
I didn't at all, he's basically saying it's not for KB+M users
that is not why people are complaining, if it was they would use desktop mode

>>7030314
My complaints in this thread have already been to that effect. See >>7020182.

>>7030320
But that post was already thoroughly blown the fuck out when >>7030246 brought up plugin based emulation, which not only requires reading a guide, which that anon is apparently allergic to, but externally researching and hunting down optimal plugins, since they aren't even packaged with the emulator.

>>7030334
>blown the fuck out
Er, blowing my post the fuck out would require showing that you don't need a guide to figure out how to set RA up and that the desktop mode does have all the options (which I claimed it doesn't) as the fullscreen mode. If you're trying to prove that our complaints are invalid, I'd appreciate if you wouldn't move the goalpost.

>>7019943
What's more retarded is having to download 60 gigs of romfiles for MAME to play a single game because they don't distribute them one at a time anymore

>>7030353
You specifically said, and I quote:
>What don’t you understand about not wanting to have read a guide first in order to make full use of an emulator?
>People like me who bitch about RA do so because goes against the established conventions of every emulator or frontend that came before it
Re-read those statements very carefully, You're accusing RA of being shit because it breaks the established conventions of not having to read a guide to make full use of an emulator. Yet the existence of ePSXe and PJ64, which have long been the most widely used emulators for their respective systems, and are, dare I say, established, not only require you to read a guide to understand exactly what the settings are doing, and the full compatibility implications at play, but require you to research the plugins themselves and obtain them from external third party sources.

Now, you've got two options here. You could admit that you were wrong, and re-frame your argument to incorporate the knowledge I've graciously imparted upon you. Or, and this is cuckchan so I think we know exactly how this is going to go, continue doubling down because admitting you may have been somewhat wrong on the internet is a grave offense.

>>7030320
But established conventions are dogshit because they are made by people who code so the use basic radio menus

>>7030368
>You're accusing RA of being shit because it breaks the established conventions of not having to read a guide to make full use of an emulator.
I read it as him saying it breaks established UI conventions, not about guide-reading.

>>7030307
>t. retroarch dev
Eat my shit, clean up your messy UI faggot

>>7030374
>him saying it breaks established UI conventions
I can't agree with that either, as it's designed to be a 10-foot UI and conforms with the established conventions of other such examples. I'd also argue that it's in line with other multi-system CFW homebrew emulator UIs.

>>7030379
Sounds like you have issues with the dev, if you don’t like the program, why would you want it changed?
We both know you still wouldn’t use it

>>7030386
I want a decent emulator. Reddit goons have astroturfed RA so much that others are getting neglected because of it. So perhaps they could at least try to make it not horseshit.

>>7030394
Reddit fucking hates retroarch though, what do you mean?

>>7030394
Emulation has been around for at least 20 years anon
RA has had many advancements for users, to be filtered by something as simple as using a controller to navigate instead of a mouse is a bit silly

>>7030396
lol what? It's the primary form of comms for their dev team

>>7030291
Perhaps you're just a very patient person. The point wasn't that it was difficult, just that it was tedious.
In "oh god not an analogy" terms: Imagine a book with every sentence on a new page. You could read it just fine, but if you're used to books where you don't have to turn a page every line you're going to get mad pretty quickly.

>>7030405
>year of our lord 2020
>after 20 years of emulator development, suddenly can't write mouse support into a UI

>>7030413
Adapt or move along, you hate it so why should it cater to you?

>>7030408
Oh my sweet summer child. If only you knew how many times SP has attacked other developers, only to be downvoted into oblivion and forced to delete his own posts, while repeatedly begging moderators to censor posts highlighting his abusive behavior in the scene.

>>7030412
How is it tedious?

>>7030418
Yeah why should we complain about anything at all? Let's just keep eating food with feces admixture like good goys.

>>7030434
You say the programs shit but you want to use it?

>>7030429
It's slower than what I'm used to doing to get similar results. (Because fundamentally it's a console UI, not a computer one.)

>>7030434
>too low iq to navigate simple controller based gui
I guess you weren't an ubermensch after all :^)

>>7030446
Does it strike you as ironic that you've spent more time complaining about the UI than it would have taken you to fully configure a fresh installation of retroarch from the ground up with every relevant core?

>>7030442
It's shit but it doesn't have to be, but your stubborn idiot attitude keeps getting in the way.

>>7030446
Then use one of the others UI’s like RGUI

>>7030452
Nah, I have no specific use case for retroarch. I'm just trying to organize my own thoughts about why it doesn't work for me.

>>7030454
I’m not the one who dislikes it, I find it very easy to use

>>7030469
>"Why do you have any complaints I'm perfectly happy with it myself" t.dev

>shilling against a program you dont use for hours

>>7030469
Exactly. You fire it up, pick up your controller, and no matter what you do next, whether that be play an entirely different system, change an option, rebind a key, literally anything; you don't have to put your controller down. That's fucking great.
>>7030476
I don't think most RA users would give a single fuck if SP got hit by a bus.

>>7030425

They have their own subreddit with over 40K subscribers. They dont need /r/emulation, and that subreddit is for shitty chicom shilling of retroids at this point anyway.

>biggest thread on the entire board is about RA's shitty interface
>Retroarch is fine

>>7019937

If anybody is going to tell you PCSX2's interface is better than RetroArch, it's complete horseshit. You have to do so much tinkering with standalone to get anything to run, and then hunt down no interlacing patches to get things to output correctly. A Libretro core that can bake all that in and automate all of that will be a godsend.

>>7030863
>You have to do so much tinkering with standalone to get anything to run, and then hunt down no interlacing patches to get things to output correctly
Which is exactly why it'll never be a proper Libretro core, unless SP can somehow convince someone to create some good 'just works' plugins for it with settings that don't need to be changed per game.

>>7030863
>no interlacing patches to get things to output correctly
Don't forget, this adds lag.

>>7030885
pcsx2 already has three years of input lag, what's a little more?

>this is another thread bitching on retroarch because of muuuuuuh interface
you guys are fucking stupid

>>7030876

They have literally baked in entire INI databases into the core so that it isn't dependent on some external INI file/system. They have always put great care and attention to making things just 'work' out of the box. This is literally one thing you can't fault them over, they always add value to the emulators that are ported in core form.

Flycast has widescreen patches baked into the core too.

>>7030976
I'll have to point to the failed dolphin core as an example of exactly how I see the pcsx2 core playing out.
>they always add value to the emulators that are ported in core form
Oh goody, more psp input lag, much value :^)

Until standalones manage to get their input lag down to the same levels as a properly set up retroarch core then I don't know how you could justify -not- using retroarch. Basically makes it the only choice

As far as I know the only standalone with some of the same delay mitigation features out there is bsnes

>>7031052

> Oh goody, more psp input lag, much value :^)

You're comparing the wrong things. Use the D3D11 renderer, you're comparing the GL renderer to D3D11, of course GL will always have more lag with that emulator, it would have the same in standalone if you used GL there (but it defaults to D3D11 on Windows for obvious reasons).

It's fun when anti-RA guys are tech illiterate.

>>7031087
I love RA, I'm just not delusional enough to think any cores post gen 5 are worth using. It's easily the best option out there for gen 5 and everything before, but gen 6+ is a disgusting mess.

>parallel is better
>but m64p comes with working widescreen
Choices...

>>7030863
>Conflating interface with configuration
This is a retroarch user, everyone

>>7031143
:^)

>>7031127

Flycast is great on RetroArch, what are you talking about?

RA+Frontend+syncthing blows anything else out of the water.
>>7031172
go back

>>7031158
You know what, I can do better than this.

>>7031172
>0% perfect games
>great
You're being silly.

>>7031208
Ah, you’re one of those people, so only a couple emulators are good because they are cycle perfect accuracy

>>7031601
No, but 6th gen and above isn't good and will probably never be good in our lifetimes.

how do you fuck up XMB that bad?
thank god they use another UI now

>>7031607
What?
Dreamcast emulates great with flycast and GameCube does as well with dolphin

>>7030368
>Now, you've got two options here. You could admit that you were wrong, and re-frame your argument to incorporate the knowledge I've graciously imparted upon you. Or, and this is cuckchan so I think we know exactly how this is going to go, continue doubling down because admitting you may have been somewhat wrong on the internet is a grave offense.
Or perhaps you could admit that when you talk about ePSXe and PJ64 guides what you really mean are compatibility charts. I have never once had to spend more than a minute looking up the best plugin to use for a N64 game, and most work without major issues with all the most common video plugins at this point. This is completely different from the learning curve involved with RetroArch's UI autism and you know it.

>>7030385
>I can't agree with that either, as it's designed to be a 10-foot UI and conforms with the established conventions of other such examples.
Well for as many people there are that bich about that the user friendliness of that 10-foot UI on Windows machines, there's no excuse for desktop mode to not be fully featured, is there? Which takes us right back to my original post.

>>7023235
>>7023354
>>7023379
Boohoo, squarepusher. This ain't your safespaces. >>>/lgbt/ No u.

>>7030363
You can use some Wandows niggernet program to unmerge your set if you like. It's going to make it twice the size though.

I swear to god. If I met the person who created Retroarch, I would suckerpunch them and then run and be satisfied for the rest of my life. I feel like that they put this junky software together and intentionally chose the library of the poorest performing cores possible just to fuck with people.

>>7032398
>>7032414
you really can tell the lowest IQ people by how angry they get at a piece of software that's optional

Does anyone here know some megapack full of roms, cores and shaders of retroarch?

>>7033024
Roms have mega packs everywhere
All the other stuff you mentioned can be downloaded in retroarch

>>7032783
>no counter-argument
>"It's free and therefore you aren't allowed to criticize it"

>>7033118
You’re free to use anything else dude but you obviously have some sort of bone to pick

>PCSX2 core announcement imminent

I'm gonna COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM

>>7033198
"Hey, this is easily improved"
>"No, go away, I want it to be bad"

>>7033327
>improved
no you want it to cater to you, it's not improving anything

>>7033347
Yes, I want it to cater to me, a human. And you want it to cater to you, a weird motile fungus.

>>7019937
How was MAME strange? It was a pretty standard command line interface.

>>7033360
not all humans are as dumb as you

>>7033385
And none are as dumb as you.

I'd be happy to just have a setting for a pc oriented UI. Would make RA 70% better for me

>>7033395
no offense buddy
maybe standalone emulators or open emu should be more up your valley

Still don't actually know how to use MAME.

>>7033408
Why is an interface that makes sense so offensive to you?

>>7033417
if you can't put in the effort to learn a simple UI then don't even bother complaining

>>7019937
>Is there a more unituitive program than this?
nope

>>7033442
>Your criticisms are invalid because you won't learn the system you are criticizing, even though you'd have to already know the system to even make these criticisms

It's unironically easier to install Gentoo than to understand the RA GUI.

>>7033472
your "criticisms" are "it's hard" "it's different" and "it's shit"
sounds more like your a little bitch to me, the fact that so many people get filtered by this is just evident the lack of any sort of basic understanding for simple programs that aren't just "turn on and work"

>>7032393
>he chose to double down
Called it.

>>7033490
>Settings for a given core only accessible through quick menu once a game is already running
>UI Skin:is not under UI settings, is called a driver, requires restart to change and doesn't mention this, all other drivers are technical backend things.
>Non-standard, unlisted controls in places that could easily list them
>Actual competent mouse driven menu is incomplete
>Kiosk mode, once enabled, can only be disabled from the desktop menu
>Key binding clusterfuck
>etc

>>7033484
They're both literally the same thing, just RTFM.

>>7033513
>Settings for a given core only accessible through quick menu once a game is already running
You're really reaching here.
>UI Skin:is not under UI settings, is called a driver
That's the driver, which fundamentally changes how it works, not the "skin", which is purely cosmetic. Cosmetic settings is located under User Interface > Appearance.
>Non-standard, unlisted controls in places that could easily list them
The controls are actually very intuitive for a console user with a gamepad.
>Actual competent mouse driven menu is incomplete
Then use a controller.
>Kiosk mode, once enabled, can only be disabled from the desktop menu
Well yes, that's how those things are designed to work. It's supposed to be a highly limited sandboxed mode that you could let the public, in a custom cab scenario, for example, and you absolutely don't want people escaping said sandbox.
>Key binding clusterfuck
The typical user will never need to change keybindings. Everything is handled for you with autoconfigs, it's just plug and play. That's not even something most standalone emulators offer. Couldn't be easier.
>etc
That's not an argument. Feel free to continue grasping at straws, and I'll continue to effortlessly shoot down your low IQ complaints.

I do not understand how some individuals have this massive hate boner towards Retroarch.
>get all the retro emulation into one package instead of having to deal with different standalones (PPSSPP and Dolphin are the sole emulator standalone installed on my PC, I could count PCSX2 too but it is a mediocre piece of shit)
>xmb menu is simple enough to use but you can also toggle the desktop menu (which I generally do when I have to manually add a new entry like a m3u file of a multi-disc game)
>can be fairly customized to your personal needs
My sole small complaint is the thumbnail updater being meh for certain game libraries like the entire PS1 lineup or confusing boxarts from different regions, meaning I have to fix that part manually.
But otherwise, it does its job well.

>>7033513
None of this is a problem, just annoyances you have with a few little things and certainly not anything to say the program is shit
Like I’ve pointed out before, move on and use something else, there’s plenty of alternatives

>>7033543
Yeah I use LaunchBox for organising my games and icons then use RA for most emulators because of all the features it has

>>7033543
>I do not understand how some individuals have this massive hate boner towards Retroarch
Fox and the grapes. It's sad, really.

>>7033532
>You're really reaching here.
Yeah why would you ever want to change setting in an emulator
>That's the driver, which fundamentally changes how it works, not the "skin", which is purely cosmetic. Cosmetic settings is located under User Interface > Appearance.
The single most important UI setting, isn't under UI settings.
>The controls are actually very intuitive for a console user with a gamepad.
>Then use a controller.
>Well yes, that's how those things are designed to work. It's supposed to be a highly limited sandboxed mode that you could let the public, in a custom cab scenario, for example, and you absolutely don't want people escaping said sandbox.
I mean, I'm using a controller alongside a mouse and keyboard, and a ton of stuff, like being able to escape a (unpassworded) kiosk mode that I enabled to cut down on the plethora of menus, is only accessible via mouse. So yeah just don't use that stuff
>The typical user will never need to change keybindings. Everything is handled for you with autoconfigs, it's just plug and play. That's not even something most standalone emulators offer. Couldn't be easier.
You want a consolized, preconfigured, controller driven emulator for PC and somehow I'm the low IQ one

>>7020396
>>7020416
the project is awesome but the UI needs improvement, menu entries should be reorganized and mapping buttons is needlessly difficult compared to most emulators

>>7033601
Mapping buttons isn't even that hard though. Also there's autoconfigs for pretty much every controller under the sun.

>>7033601
>mapping buttons is difficult
Is it?
I’ve never had trouble altering controls

>>7033596
>too low IQ to understand a simple "preconfigured, controller driven emulator"
This is exactly fox and the grapes, yes.

>>7033613
This isn't
>Oh man, I don't even want those grapes, they are probably sour anyway.
This is
>Who took the grapes out of the store bag and hid them in a reused sour cream container in a fridge behind a false wall that only opens once it matches a voice detection for "Fuck, I'll just eat an apple"

>>7033630
No, it really is. For all the bluster, you desperately want to use retroarch, but you lack the motivation to learn, so you're left in this depressing middle-ground where all you can do is impotently lash out.

>>7033630
Then eat the apple and stop complaining about the grapes, Jesus even your own analogy is working against you

>>7033654
>you desperately want to use retroarch, but you lack the motivation to learn
You really are that stupid, huh? You think performing pointless tasks is intelligence.
"I am so smart, I can start a fire with a match"
>"This is a gas stove, use a lighter"
"You are just envious of my ability to use this stove, admit it"
>"I can use it just fine. It's just really weird that you disabled the electric spark that automatically ignites a burner when you turn the gas on and instead that setting is on your microwave for some reason"
"No one would ever want to use the electrical igniter, you are too stupid to take the box of matches out of the box labeled "complaints about this idiotic system for lighting a stove"

>>7033827
You're so worked up that you've gotten lost in your own analogies. I'm being completely honest when I say that I feel bad for you. Tell you what, name a gen 3-5 core and I'll give you a step by step guide on how to do an optimal setup.

>>7033841
Do you really still think the issue with retroarch is one of not being able to ascertain what settings to use?
Jesus christ, it's like connecting a printer to wifi using the buttons on the printer.

>>7033861
>it's like connecting a printer to wifi using the buttons on the printer
Now there's a good analogy! It might be slightly tedious to start with, but it's over before you know it and you never need to do it again.

I'm glad we've come to an agreement.

>niggers still whining about XMB interface
OH MY GOD YOU FUCKING LITERAL APE NIGGERS THE SWITCH MENU IS THE NEW DEFAULT USE THAT INSTEAD

>>7033869
So, except in this analogy, you could have also just done AOSS or plugged in a cable, but those features have been intentionally disabled by the manufacturer of this "SmartPrinter"
It is good that you can admit it's bad.

>>7033889
Sorry you can’t enjoy it anon, it works great for me and I don’t really have a major problem with it like you seem to
Good luck on your crusade

>>7033889
Works on my machine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hate RA
I’ve only adopted it due to my desire for homogeneity. If more front ends offered pausing I would abandon it.