/vr/ - Retro Games

Charged buster was a mistake

>>6996858
Please explain this

It's not just a matter of how much dmg a hit does.

It's also a matter of rate of fire/dps and also how easy it is to hit them.

You can't complain "they're not that weak anymore!" when looking at only a single aspect of the whole mechanic.

>>6996858
True

>>6996858
No, the mistake was making the buster unironically better than the weaknesses

>>6996757
>deal more health

>>7000000
CHECKED
BASED Strawberryposter

>tripfag got the 7th millionth post

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>>6996757
unironically the only good mega man game besides X and Command Mission.

>>6996858
Imagine making a mechanic where you have to hold down a button all the time and will destroy pretty much enemy with one shot. It’s really a crappy mechanic and causes a bunch of WUWUWUWU sound effects drowning out the music. Mega Man X did it well at least, because a charged up shot would cause your weapons to have a secondary function.

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>>7000000

Yeah, 'member when Bosses had no kind of structure or design to their attacks and just DPS rushed you unless you stunlocked them to death with their weaknesses in 3 hits?
Yeah, I 'member

>>6996757
In my opinion, boss weaknesses are cheap and made the boss battles too easy once you got your first powerup.
>>6996858
Can't argue with that. Ever since 4, the mega buster was usually your best weapon.

>>7000238
All the bosses in MM1 have patterns. It's just that they're complex as hell and no casual player can ever memorize them.

>>6996858
True, but the negative impacts are more present in enemies that take several dozen shots to kill rather than in the bosses.
>>7000156
Try Mega Man Maker, they dim out the noise after the charge is full.

>>6996757
Yep, exactly. Series went to shit after 1, and didn't fully recover until 5.

>>6996858
That has nothing to do with not every boss powers being effective against a particular boss. That gay shit started with 2.

>>7000000
Checked

>>7000147
Nah, it has some cryptic bullshit with the platform gun

>>6996757
Even the Mega Buster dealt more damage to the robot masters in that game than in the others.

>>6996858
At least the charged buster means that you always have at least one weapon that isn't shit. Ideally Capcom would have put good robot master weapons into every game but that's not how things turned out. Rockman 3 would be a lot more fun with a charged buster.

>>6997793
The only enemies where it matters are bosses and they're pretty much always easy to hit with anything.

>>6996757
It would be a lot better if weaknesses were just one more pixel than what the buster can do. Usually weaknesses are at least twice as strong as a charged shot and turn the already mostly easy bosses into a joke.

>>7000428
>Can't argue with that. Ever since 4, the mega buster was usually your best weapon.
The Mega Buster should be your best weapon though. Shit like MM2 metal blade makes the game kind of stupid because when your special weapons are TOO good they just replace your basic arm cannon and swing the game too far in the other direction. The benefit of the boss weapons is their situational usefulness. Some games are better than others at this but that's more a complaint about what those weapons actually do than it is against the charged buster.

>>7000000
what a waste.
f*** nu-/vr/

>>7001870
I hate the way zoomers talk. Sue me. It's bad grammar even if technically correct. Makes it sound like he's adding health to the bar.

Just like larp will be in dictionaries saying it means role play when it WAS to describe live action dressup shit with cosplayers. DEAL more damage? The sprite isn't damaged visually, so it's simply draining a shield bar. Deal means give more so than take, or at least trade. He trades bullets for the shield's integrity of the enemy. But it still sounds like shit, as does larp if you're not a zoomer.

I'd be different if he phrased it right.

>deal more health
That means added health to the enemy's health bar, his shield meter went up with it phrased like that even if dealt damage is a thing with English.

>>dealing a pixel more health

I mean really faggot. Stop breaking the fucking eng language you triple niggers. Dealing more damage sounds fine, but no, he had to deal more health.

Get it now retarded nigger gen z'er? Now get off your phone and learn to talk right.

Don't expect me to apologize for it not being some non-funny speccy spam or some shit. What would YOU have posted? I critiqued retards, you'd have probably just been retarded. You are a waste in other words.

And do I have great grammar? NO. I don't. But I don't spam threads either. When an OP has the privilege to post a thread here he should take the time to not be retarded. Now days hiro bans so many areas it is indeed a privilege to be able to post threads, but even if not it was always a privilege to do so.

>>7001870
Also that censor shit is full cringe redditor.

>>6996858
>blaming the buster instead of the shitty weapons

>>7000428
Maybe they should make the weaknesses cause them to do more damage/activate a second phase. That way the game keeps some challenge while still letting you benefit from having the right weapon.

>>6996757
>>6996858
the best solution would have been giving the bosses not one but 2 weapon weaknesses, maybe one less damaging that the other, but still doing more than just one extra pixel compared to the charged shot.

maybe even activating 1 or 2 unique pattern attacks once you git them with the right weapon to counterbalance, then and only then the enemy gets into a ''blinking'' state when they dont get damage, but aside form it, make the bosses NOT have blinkin time that long like in 4 to 6, and specially NOT like in the 16/32-bit games.

MM2 and MM3 got it right, so even buster only runs are satisying.

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>>7000156
I am the only one who NEVER got bothered by the charge sound on the NES games?, if anything i hate the sound on games like Megaman 8-9 and 11, kinda think of a bit, MM2 sound charge of heat man was worse.

>>7002478
It's tolerable for the most part, but it drowns out the awesome soundtrack

>>7002446
I like how Mega Man X handles it, where the right weapon will lock the boss into a simpler pattern.

>>7000593
Is Mega Man Maker /vr/ material? All of the assets are in the 8-bit style, so I don't see why not.

>>7000721
>look at me! I like the two classic games everyone doesn't like! Ask me about my weird opinions!
This is advanced contrarianism

>>7000000
You fail to understand the horror that is Megaman's ultimate weapon the Healing Ray. Not only can it heal him and his allies, but it can heal the enemies. He can beat them in the most brutal manners then heal them and repeat again and again. Depriving them of the release of death, and use it to restore himself as well. A functionally immortal robot capable of creating an endless personal hell designed in the most brutal of manner by his every growing A.I. intelligence.
Dr.Light wanted to fix the world without resorting to death threats, in the end he created something far more terrifying. A blue robot that could make any and all beg for death. Why do you think the world was so peaceful? Only the insane masochist that is Dr.Wiley is immune as his twisted and broken mind can't process the torment like a normal person, yet he retains many higher faculties and works endlessly to defeat the blue menace.
OP is thinking of the before times, when Megaman would just kill people in tragic ways by exploiting their weakness. But now that he gotten the healing ray one can not use death as a means to escape.

>be me, a child
>also family of poorfags
>loved watching my brother or his friend play and beat Mega Man 1&2 from Blockbuster
>His friend would rent it constantly so he'd let me play
>cant into math yet but calculating this coming nintendrape
>hard fought speed running because up past bedtime because house full of women and 1 tv and old bitch sleeps on couch to static
>claim victory one morning
>life achievements feeling good
>one day get our own nintendo (probably stolen)
>birthday coming up and only have thing item that I wanted
>Mega Man 3
>shota peeni twitches at the next great challenge because nintento teaches all children that the machines hate humans
>Doesnt get it for bday
>sadness.jpeg
>back to roger rabbit or tetris
>get it for xmas
>best day ever.jpeg
>love it over 9,000
>reality of poorfag comes creeping back a month later
>mom needs to pawn everything because reasons (drugs)
>cant let her get rid of my bff game
>show Mega a place to hide until its safe to come out again
>mom angry because 1 game is missing and pawn wants all games and not all but 1
>starts interrogation on the where abouts of the notorious blue bomber
>idk
>begins torture for a confession
>claim ignorance
>beatings continue many times for days
>still wont give up his location
>she relents and pawn nazi's still accept the deal
>Mega stays hidden for a few years and is my pet rock
>Be me now, 34. Still have that same MM3 and no longer a fan of the series because it went to shit. Still waiting on legends 3 too.

>>7003424
/vr/ has no rules anymore. Retro is now your personal childhood, just as the shitposters lobbied. As long as you like it, it's retro.

>>6997771
Ruined the soundtrack!

>>7001791
Hmmm... no, fag.

>>7000000
Ebin

>>7001791
Metal blade made MM2 play differently from the rest of the series, which is good. These games are pretty samey, they need something like that to better differentiate themselves. Every entry should have weapons that are overall better than the buster.

>>7000000
checked, holy FUCK

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>>7000000
nice digits tripfaggot!!!!!!!!!

>>7003583
Then what's the point of the buster?

>>7005247
Same as the pistol in Doom. It's the bad weapon you're stuck with when you don't have ammo for anything else.

>>7005349
Yeah but Mega Man games drop weapon capsules like candy. The best weapons are considered overpowered because you never do run out of ammo. And if a weapon runs out fast you aren't going to be using it much because you'll want to save it for the boss. Not to mention all the weapons that have weird properties like shields, flashes, ground travel, short range, and all the other things that make them more situational. The arm cannon is your all purpose weapon and the others are supposed to be supplementary.

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>>7005236
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>>7000829
le @

>>7005380
In practice that stuff almost never gets used outside of weaknesses. Full screen attacks like gravity hold are often useful, thunder beam is powerful enough to break out every now and again, and metal blade can outright replace your main weapon. The 100 other weapons in the series are hardly worth touching. Rockman 4 Minus Infinity has more useful special weapons than every official classic series game combined.

>>7007504
Later games corrected for this a bit by making weapons useful for accessing items or alternate routes giving them some more varied application. I think what happens though for most people is you get so good at the games that changing weapons is more of a chore than just barreling through a stage with the arm cannon. "Sure, I can switch to Shadow Blade to take out that Hammer Joe but I know the timing so fuck it I'll just shoot him."