/vr/ - Retro Games

>paying for emulation

>>6994659
>that Hucard slot
The Turbo Everdrive (and possibly Street Fighter II) probably won't fit in there. Either it's a design oversight or a deliberate choice to make you wait for the jailbreak firmware and load your shit through the SD card slot instead.

>>6994680
>Completely engineered in FPGA.
>No emulation.
stifled laughter

>>6994659
Oh great, another overpriced clone system.

>>6994695
>FPGA
Faggotry Pedophilia Gay Activator? No thanks

>>6994701

>>6994659
It is exciting news. It is less expensive than finding a person willing to replace the capacitors and RGB modding it. For years, maybe a decade now, game-tech.us refuses to do that job, and no one else wants to even try because of the difficulty. Voutar has other projects to focus on, and no one in the US mountain time zone has the skills/knowledge to perform such an operation, and I've searched. So at $200USD, that is an incredible bargain. It even plays SuperGrafx and Arcade CDs, for a lower price than the SD-System^3! While it is unfair to compare the design to NEC's shell design, for Analogue's "premium" marketing, it is one shaved right corner from looking like a Hyperkin clone console.

>>6994689
The slot looks like it has a slightly taller bump opening too based on the image.

>>6994759
Yeah even though I wouldn't buy this personally, I still find the prospect of more options to play these old games pretty cool. 200 bucks seems like a fair price, though fucking Analogue i'm sure will limit the stock to like 12 consoles and not include a controller.

>>6994659
I’ll skip it also but you fags would be all up in Analogue’s ass if it was a FPGA Dreamcast.

>>6994871
>FPGA
That's still a no-go for me. I'll stick with the original Dreamcast and HDMI output cable.

>>6994659
would be cool if it actually had analog out

>>6994871
>>6994881
Honestly I would prefer a Dreamcast mini console
If I wanted to get into some of the deep Dreamcast cuts I would just buy an HDMI adapter, then burn the CDs. Dreamcasts are cheap. You could probably get set up with an original dreamcast + an HDMI adapter + an ODE for the price Analogue will charge for an FPGA clone

>>6994943
>burn CD's
You're better off with an ODE.

>clone system
Might as well just build an emulator box. All of the authenticity is out the window, what's the point?

>>6995003
What I don’t understand is they made this console irrelevant with the Pocket support.

>>6995003
Well the main benefit is input delay IMO. But either way, the progression of fpga tech and the development of these consoles and a nice avenue towards preserving old consoles/games and it's cool just in that respect even if I wouldn't buy one

>>6994992
Yeah obviously but he gdemu is out of production right now so eventually sure but right now its too pricy to justify.

>>6994759
>expensive than finding a person willing to replace the capacitors and RGB modding it
What exactly is the difficult part about it? Just soldering a couple wires to a surface-mounted chip?
Surely you can find a semi-sober engineering student willing to mod your console for a case of beer.

>>6995079
bro look up the current prices of a used turbo duo

>>6995003
>Another idiot who thinks emulation is the same as the real thing.
How many tards are you out there like this?

wtf how did i jumble those words up so bad.

Is Turbografx emulation bad? It seems fine to me but i've never played the real system.

>>6995173
It's not great but for most people it's fine
Most serious Turbografx enthusiasts are using the mister these days.

>>6995142
What the fuck? I bought an RGB premodded TurboDuo R in 2018 for $250, that shit shot up

Sweet candy-coated Christ, did someone famous recently feature a Turbo Duo in a YouTube video or what the fuck is up with those prices?
400, 500, fucking 800 bucks is the going price for these now.

>>6995046
Don’t support that faggot and get a cheap clone.

>>6994659
I already own a PC-Engine with the CD-Rom2 and Arcade Pro card. And I already built my self a MiSTer. So, I think I'll skip out on everything analog puts out.

>>6995046
If you get a clone it plays 99% of the library. Only games they can't without error are Resident Evil: CV and Skies of Arcadia

>>6994659
Honestly I should probably get a mister, but I'm autistic and like the feeling of turning on a dedicated console.
I'm 100% going to jailbreak it though, no way I'm paying for real software.

>>6995215
The prices have been up for a while. I've been collecting for the past two years. I was able to snag a Duo-R that needs some work for about $180. And I was able to complete a briefcase setup with an Arcade Pro card for about $220. Luckily that setup works perfectly. One of these days I'll have to recap the Duo-R and try and get that working again.

>>6995283
That's why I built mine into a custom enclosure with a proper power switch.

Its certanly a beautiful machine
Don't know why they couldn't be arsed to build in a multitap, would love to see someone do it on a custom console.
Good price, but if I'm going to have to invest in a everdrive anyway, why not just get a sd3 and play on a real console..

Not so sure a slot loader is a good idea. PS3/4/Xbone/etc. are using BR discs with a hard coat, that's why they get away with it. Imagine putting your copy of Sapphire or Rondo through the ringer every time... Yeesh.

>>6994659
If that's the design they're going for that's fucking sexy. I just bought a SSDS3 ODE and I already own a Super CD Rom2 attachment so I'll pass.

>>6995406
>why not just get a sd3 and play on a real console
Modern TVs I suppose. Using the original hardware means you need an OSSC or similar. If you already have a good CRT then this is likely not for you.

>>6994759
You obviously didn't look hard enough. Cruzlink, LeonK, iFixRetro and I think even Dragon's Hoard will do it. I think Mobius Strip Tech will do it too. If you want to get it done within that specific time zone for whatever weird ass reason, well, good luck I guess.
Considering the prices of pce/tg16 hardware that have had maintenance done, 200 for this is a steal. It won't be able to play SF2 or Everdrive or Arcade Cards, but you can just use the SD card slot to play those via ROMs. When you consider that the Super SD Systemb3 ODE is over 200 and has flaws, and you STILL need a console on top of that (100 minimum), this is a no brainer.
Controller port on the side is fucking stupid though.

>>6995414
Because that's well over 300 for probably poorer accuracy, worse sound, worse video and a console that likely needs a full recap.

>>6995267
Aren't analogue cores meant to be more accurate than their mister counterparts? I have a mister, but I can't say I've really looked hard for errors. Just I remember the fallout from the "community" about Kevtris "selling out" and refusing to listen to him when he explained that really accurate SNES cores would be very difficult on the DE-10 nano.

>>6995453
I don't know about like frame precise timings and all that but pretty much the objective best thing about Analogue is if you run into an inconsistency or incompatibility, they're pretty responsive and will usually have a patch for it in the next firmware patch.

>>6995267
>MiSTer
Gee Mister, you sure did waste your money.

>>6994659
I want an Analogue PlayStation.

>>6995453
Why would an accurate SNES core be difficult on the DE-10 Nano? It's got a larger FPGA than the one used in the Super NT.

>>6995272
>Resident Evil: CV and Skies of Arcadia
those are some pretty major errors

>>6994775
At $200USD it is more than a fair price, it's an outright bargain for the Analogue console. As that is the minimum to get someone to just recap the original consoles, which does not account for purchasing the capacitors. The only negatives being the Analogue Duo's ugly looks, the controller port on the side towards the rear (great for the short length controller cords), and the controller port being the less popular TurboGrafx-16 port instead of the PC-Engine connector.

>>6995079
Without the equipment, space, technical ability/knowledge, I would have to pay for such expertise. As mentioned, anyone who has done the capacitor replacement tend to refuse to do it, probably because it is annoyingly small and time consuming, therefore they won't accept the job unless it is multiple hundreds in USD. In my backwoods part of the USA, that type of education level and service is a rarity.

>>6995420
I am unaware of 4 of the 5 you mentioned. The 3rd I have heard of but tends to be busy with other promised projects for other clients. I have looked, for the last 10 years, not specifically in my time zone but just saying no one in flyover states has good immediate access to a repair technician. Most repair shoppes around here just replace cracked cel phone screens and install PC parts (as in you buy the components, they find the matching ports and they plug the damn things there). Even when I already had the console in my youth, it is over 2x cheaper and more convenient to just get the Analogue FPGA system.

>>6995551
No, I didn't. Not only do I have access to all these consoles. I have access to many different computer systems too.

>>6995636
Exactly.

>>6995751
>which does not account for purchasing the capacitors
It's like maybe ten dollars worth of parts.

>>6995453
>>Aren't analogue cores meant to be more accurate than their mister counterparts?
No? You're paying for Apple tier marketing.

This is more expensive than a DE-10 and can do far less. That's what this is equivalent to.

If you really want the "original" experience of putting in carts or whatever, spend 100 bucks on a PC engine and another 300 bucks on the super SD system 3 or whatever it's called. This piece of shit appeals to no-one aside from retards who probably have a shelf full of soulless Analogue (TM) hardware so that they can play the old "classics" they bought for 100 bucks a cart on their 4K TV.

Why are they limiting pre-orders when the system's not coming out for another year?

>>6995958
Hype train and artificial scarcity forces people who would rather think before spending money to pull out their cash immediately, fearing that they might miss their chance. Thus Analogue is guaranteed to raise a fixed money sum at their desired date.

>>6995958
because it's a bullshit company that thinks artificial scarcity = prestige
their products are supposedly quite good but their business practices are fucking obnoxious

for example if you bought an analogue pocket, a dock, a controller and a full set of adapters after tax you're in the hole $600+ and that's only if you're one of god's favorite children who managed to pre-order the fucking thing

That 600 bucks has been Analogue's pocket since early August when preorders went up, and you're not gonna see the thing until May 2021 at the absolute earliest. So they're sitting on your dosh, collecting interest on it, for basically an entire calendar year and the product might not even live up to your expectations. It might look totally different than what you pre-ordered (like what happened with the transparent Super Nt), or they could change the performance or compatibility specs at the last minute.

The only other companies on the planet with the audacity to handle business this way are like luxury automobile companies, and Analogue is nothing more than a startup clone console manufacturer for basement dwelling nerds. By all means the Duo looks like a decent product at a fair price, but the bullshit practices make me feel like I shouldn't trust them with a dime until they get their shit together and I can order their crap whenever I damn feel like it.

>>6995893
imagine actually thinking that having the FPGA equivalent of the "basedboy puts emulators on a Raspberry Pi and never shuts the fuck up about it" meme without any controller ports, cart ports, expansion ports, or literally anything to differentiate it from a computer engineer's test bench, makes you any more soulful than someone that wants an Actual Console.

>>6994659
What bugs me about some of these systems is that using an FPGA to clone a single console ignores half the value of an FPGA. I get that they're cheaper than manufacturing a custom ASIC at low numbers but if you're already including a CD drive then why not include Genesis/32X/Sega CD compatibility at minimum?

>>6996082
yeah but i mean, it'd be hard to justify the engineering time if they just blew their entire load like that

>>6995796
An alternator for your car is not that expensive either until you have a shop actually install it because you’re unskilled and incapable.

>>6995791
>N-no I-I d-didn't
Yes you did waste your money MiSTer.

>>6995958
Same reason they don't have any more smokey clear Super NTs. How they can sell out of preorders for something they haven't produced yet. Or why there is a final run of a console with parts still widely available. That's right, because it's awesome, and you should buy at least two.

>>6995173
its fine enough, though colors are a bit off

>>6996007
P R E A C H

But seriously, their business strategies are absolutely fucking retarded. They need to release the CMVS they made years ago, the one made out of wood.

>>6996007
>That 600 bucks has been Analogue's pocket since early August when preorders went up, and you're not gonna see the thing until May 2021 at the absolute earliest.
You were aware of that shit when you pre-ordered. Only thing wrong I see in this situation is you and the fact that you voted with your wallet you dumb shit. Don't like a company and their practices, don't buy their product.

>>6996436
Turns out almost everyone's colors are off. Furrtek decapped the fucking thing and figured out everyone using the wrong palette.

>>6995893
>Spend 100 plus on old hardware that needs recaps, jailbait fixes, region mods and still has a noisy audio circuit
>Spend another 300 on a buggy ODE that introduces more audio noise and a shitty rgb circuit
>Analogue Duo costs 200 and gives pure digital audio and video over HDMI and supports original software and peripherals

This is a pretty easy decision

>>6996498
Yes, we love jailbait.

>>6994659
I'll be getting one. I have a decent sized TG-16 collection.

>>6994659
It's maybe their most attractive product thus far - though the pocket is also pretty good.

Not having to get a R or a RX, not to mention the different cards, not to mention paying a refurbished premium, is very nice at the price they're charging.

I hadn't thought about the slot loader for the discs though - I trust that the design is disc friendly out of necessity but it's their first go around with a disc drive. Pretty expensive titles to use on a pilot project.

>>6994659
Another scam.

>>6996476
I didn't you dumbfuck 0/10 on your reading comprehension

>>6996514
Must be mobile autocorrect

>>6995735
Both are better on GCN anyways, get a GC loader.

>>6994659
I'm more interested into Pocket availability and the dedicated addons, including the one for PC-Engine games

>>6997139
Don't know about CV, but Skies of Arcadia is better on the Dreamcast

>>6996068
>controller ports, cart ports, expansion ports, or literally anything to differentiate it from a computer engineer's test bench
If you want to use the controllers, an adapter is like 5 bucks. Everything else? Why the fuck would you be plugging any of that shit into a fucking emulation box to begin with?

>>6996498
Except this is a FGPA, not real hardware. I can understand paying a premium for real hardware, it's pretty dumb but "muh accuracy", whatever.

What I can't understand is paying a premium for a barebones FGPA that's less powerful than a DE-10, can do 1/10th of the stuff, but it comes with a pretty plastic case and a worthless CD drive you'll never use. People comparing this to actual hardware are literally retarded, it's nowhere close.

I'm more excited for this than the pocket desu. I wish scalpers didn't have to ruin everything though.

>>6995453
I have a mister and a Super NT/mega sg. On Mister, the snes core was a hot mess for a long time. It would run and then randomly crash or have graphics errors. Sometimes when you load another game after the first, the second or third load will fail and you have to power cycle. The genesis core was a bit better from the start once they got their better 68k core in it. The sound was awful for a very long time, Sonic's ring sounds were way off.

It is certainly cool and is changing all the time, but it is not polished, and I think many people definitely give it less scrutiny and criticism than it otherwise would get if it were under the microscope like an Analogue thing.


Because "it's free" and "if you dont like it, fix it yourself" its not held up to the same standards. Hell the last time I used it a couple months ago, the scaler couldn't even make uniform pixels on 1080p on the genesis. The pixel size was lumpy if you zoomed in.


THe only gripe i have about the super nt and such is that while the scaler looks great, and scanlines at 720p are amazing, the scanlines at 1080p still look weird. Maybe they'll fix it after a break on their next stuff.

>>6997267
It really depends on what you mean by "real hardware." An FPGA is not really any different than an ASIC clone, which makes it a hardware implementation of the circuit. It's not "official" but then again there are a ton of officially licensed Sega Genesis clones that suck ass so branding isn't exactly a meaningful metric. Not to mention even back when the original consoles were being manufactured, they went through several revisions, some of which were pretty dramatic.

>>6998097
>An FPGA is not really any different than an ASIC clone
Sure, and clone consoles are famously bad. Hell, even official consoles are often garbage, see every Mega Drive after the first few revisions.

FGPA has a higher ceiling than software emulation currently, but ultimately there are still going to be minor issues for years. Recreating chips isn't child's play, and until it is, your options are going to be "real hardware" or some form of emulation.

>Thoughts?
They never have one in their stupid little heads.

>>6998182
It depends on the implementation. It's true that most clones have been shitty but that's not a requirement. If you accurately replicate the circuit then you've accurately reproduced the machine. A few have nailed it like the FPGA-based RetroAVS which is, as far as I know, an extact replica of the NES. If the ICs are decapped and scanned with an electron microscope, like was done with the NES, you could get gate-level accuracy in the Verilog. Technically you could do this to build drop-in replacements for individual chips for the original PCBs but that'd be a waste of resources when the entire system can fit on a single chip.

>>6998871
>>It depends on the implementation.
Sure, but 9 times out of 10 that implementation is based on basic cost analysis. Nobody is going to decap a fucking Lynx, let's put it that way. FGPAs will be spotty at best for years, until enough sweaty autists scrape together enough money and man hours to actually figure out systems that are more complex than modern calculators.

>>6996741
You talk a lot of shit for a man who doesn't know how to use punctuation.

>>6998945
>You! Talk a lot of shit! For a man who doesn't know - How to use punctuation?

>>6999112
Dumbass

>>6994701
>Faggotry Pedophilia Gay Activator
What kind of sick demented mind do you have to have where the first thing you think of when you see an acronym you don't understand is pedophilia and homosexuality?

>>6999813
You're a social justice incel, aren't you? Getting offended because I put pedophilia and homosexuality in the same sentence. It's as if you don't want people to connect the dots that 99.99% of homosexuals are pedophiles.

>>6995751
if you're even remotely invested in old electronics, it is absolutely worth it to invest in a cheap soldering iron and hot air station. so much free information is out there. capacitor replacements can be time consuming with the cleanup portion, especially if anything leaked. opportunity cost for the professional service folks

>>6999980
>The guy who instantly thinks of childporn when he gets confused is also forcing unfunny the SJW incel meme
I keep forgetting what kind of subhuman socially inept retards this website attracts.

>>6997197
skies of arcadia port is combo of superior and inferior. i do prefer dreamcast

>>6999813
Newfag, welcome to 4chan.

>>7000090
Calling people faggots and pedobear memes is different than projecting your suppressed pedo faggotry onto a piece of fucking hardware.

>>6997267
Except that I have a fucking pile of PCE CDs and Hucards to plug into my FPGA console that just works when I plug it into my HDTV and I don't want to fuck around with hundreds of dollars and 4-8 hours of labor to get an inferior experience on original hardware.
Happy to post a pic of my collection with a post it saying "let people enjoy things" if it interests you.

>>7000357
im curious to see your collection just cuz it sounds neat

>>7000357
>I don't want to fuck around with hundreds of dollars and 4-8 hours of labor to get an inferior experience on original hardware.

it's like you don't get /vr/ lol

>>7000090
He's right, you have issues. Don't blame 4chin, nonce.

>>7000436
I have a rework station and enjoy doing repairs and small to medium jobs. Getting a duo to the point where it is even kind of okay is not fun at all. Region mod, RGB, full recap, laser recalibration... Lots of labor involved to end up with a sketchy color palette AND noisy audio. Rather just pay 200 bucks for Analogue memeshit and be done with it. I sold my Duo a year or two ago, got a CoreGrafx with a SSD3 and a CD expansion. Kinda regret it in the end. If the Analogue product is even 95 percent compatible & accurate, it's easily the better option.

>>7000418
Sure, I'll post in a bit.

He won't post in a bit.

>>7000357
>I have a fucking pile of PCE CDs and Hucards
>I plug it into my HDTV
What a waste. Might as well sell them

>>7000357
Sell the mountain of worthless shit to braindead collectors, and spend the money on something sensible.

I cannot, and will never understand, people who want to play retro shit on HDTVs. Buy a HDMI cable from the dollar store, you stupid fucking nigger. That's it, you're done, the extra frame of input lag you'll get from software emulation will pale in comparison to your fucking shitty TV anyway. And you can run all the autistic CRT shaders you want.

>>7000357
Well I dont have to spend hundreds of dollars and waste 4-8 hours of labor by using original systems with crt(which I got for free), it just works and Im able to play as intended, and I also dont need to buy my consoles again(or mod them for HDMI output which is expensive and the mods are typically very hard to install) or expensive upslacers or wait for FPGA clones to be available for system I want to play.

And besides if I really want to play some game thats really expensive or is for obscure system I dont have, I can always fire up an emulator and play on my PC for free, and with an HDMI cable I can play on my HDTV too.

>>6996007
>artificial scarcity
lol it's not artificial scarcity, it's just that their popularity has blown up to the point where interest in their products far outnumbers their capacity to instantly cater to the demand. The NT Mini, Super NT and Mega SG were pretty much available to order from their initial announcements through to release. When they've sold out they've done second runs when possible.

>>7001187
Their pre-orders for the Analogue Pocket sold out in minutes despite the product being eight months away. What's the point of having a pre-order window that far out if not to gauge interest and measure out the manufacturing run? It's artificial scarcity.

>>6994659
Can it play burned CDs like the original?

>>6999813
He's just telling you about his hobbies. He spams it in every thread that FPGA is mentioned, ignore it.

>>7000084
>SJW gets offended by Social Justice Incel meme
>Calls it "unfunny"
>Gets triggered and says "subhuman socially inept retard"
Well I got a good laugh at how triggered you are.

>>7001512
Nope, I'm pretty sure FPGA(Faggotry Pedophilia Gay Activator) is your hubby, not mine.

>>7001462
Probably. Why would they retroactively add copy protection when it doesn't benefit them?

>>7000872
How retarded are you? Retro consoles don't have HDMI ports. What the fuck are you even saying.

>>6995284
Are the prices this retarded in Japan too?

>>7000443
>Visits 4chan
>Has a breakdown over 4chan being 4chan
TOPKEK, GTFO Newfag.

I've never scalped before but the price + limited quantity has me wondering if I should try to snag one and resell at a later date. What do you guys think?

>>7000536
Damn you were right lol

>>7002918
You should try to get like 5 if you're serious about it, but just be aware that you can get in hot water with ebay for "selling" the pre-order before you can actually ship it out in time, so in all likelihood Analogue is gonna be sitting on your money for about a year before you make any kind of return on investment.
There are easier ways to make a buck imo.

bros.... the analogue duo might be trash, Kevtris the goat is not involved.

https://twitter.com/sentientsixp/status/1317972816789164032

>>6994659
Ever since the mega sd 3 came out I've been wanting to get a PC Engine and just load all the roms and isos I can find, but if this thing does good at playing PCE along with being able to load off an SD card then I might be interested in this.

>>7003041
Might be better off then. Super NT and Mega SG still have some issues that Kevtris hasn't fixed yet.

test, ignore this reply

l

No kevtris no buy

If kevtris isn't involved, does that mean there is a lower likelihood of a "jailbreak" firmware that lets you play roms from a SD card?

>>7002986
I decided not to post them since I have nothing to prove, and I was too lazy to remove it from my shelf in order to maintain my privacy.

>>7003503
Will probably still happen. I think they're probably just using the fpgapce core, same as Mister. I'd be interested to know how they got around the BIOS issue (maybe kev helped with that aspect of it)

>>7003041
Apparently Kevtris has been promoted and is involved. Just not as hands-on this time.

>>7004479
his standard is not 100% accuracy, quite sad because he is a smart individual.