/vr/ - Retro Games

After Sammy became the primary owner, I don't think they had a choice.

>>6986817
Nintendo should have bought them along with Hudsonsoft.

>>6986817
sega died in the gutter, that was never any dignity to beging with.

t. soitendrones butthurt that sega makes ninty look like absolute scumbugs just as a software developer

>>6986935
>all pc ports removed
>all games can now only be played on gimped, gimmicky, overpriced hardware
>can only even buy the relatively limited supply of old games for a limited time and for a bafflingly high price
>have to pay for p2p online

Capitalism. It's shameless. It's like how Jeff Bezos one of the richest men alive asked people to donate to Amazon workers during covid 19.

>>6986982
Eat shit gommie without capitalism you wouldn't even have your Dendy Playtendo.

>>6986935
This. Nintendo would have at least put both companies to good use.

>>6986817
They need to get bought by Microsoft to finally know what winning feels like but they don't deserve it.

>Nintendo should have bought them along with Hudsonsoft.
>This. Nintendo would have at least put both companies to good use.

>>6986935
Hudsonsoft died, bro. Alpha Dream too. Sega most likely would've suffered too if Nintendo bought them out

>continuing to exist as a shadow of themselves
>literally made fucking VF4, Mushiking, and Initial D arcade stage in the years after the Dreamcast's death, three of the most influential arcade games EVER
>then fucking SANGOKUSHI TAISEN a few years later, which is still the second highest-grossing game in modern Japanese arcades
>(the first is Fate/Grand Order arcade, which is also published by Sega)
>for fuck's sake, in 2014 they released fucking Chunithm, which finally accomplished the impossible and knocked IIDX off its throne as the second highest monthly-earning rhythm game in Japan and it even gave fucking Taikomaster a run for its money when it was new
>just two years ago they fucking released a racing game with both local and online multiplayer (the very first game to have the feature)
>their goddamn innovations in the industry never stopped and every single popular arcade game in Japan right now can have nearly all of its features traced back to a Sega game (if Sega isn't just outright making it)
>hurr sega dead because no dreamcast ;_;

>>6988303
best post

>>6988303
Based.

>>6986817
You are an idiot. SEGAs main business was always arcade. Home consoles were a side business. SEGA is still selling arcade machines in 2020 and beyond. SEGA of America was always insignificant and expendable.

I'm still getting Yakuza games so Sega is doing just fine.

>>6988972
>Arcade
>After 2001
lol I'm not exactly familiar with it (who is?) but arcade these days must be only a tiny market as a kind of novelty and precursor to a game's release on home consoles or mobile. Even retro arcade is a lot bigger and that's pretty tiny. If they had 100% of the arcade market it would be hardly anything.

>American
>Haven’t seen an arcade in 7 years
>Only people who can buy new machines are Dave & Busters
>Haven’t bought a console in 2 generations
>Emu Master Race, Retro Master Race
Sega ded

Sega is one of the only good game companies left around, at all.

>>6988990
https://www.segaarcade.com/

>>6988990
>precursor to a game's release on home consoles
Home ports of arcade games mostly stopped being a thing in the late '00s, which is probably why you don't know much about modern arcade games. There are exceptions (mostly traditional fighting games), but they're pretty rare.

>>6988990
Meanwhile, Round1 continues to expand in America at a rapid rate because they're filling the niche of being a modern arcade that's actually an arcade.

>>6989018
>Only people who can buy new machines are Dave & Busters
I don't know why Sega (or anyone for that matter) doesn't just make a Neo Geo style cab that plays every game. Make it affordable, and the operator can download new games or just put in a huge HD that holds all the games, so the operator only has to pay for the code instead of buying a new cab for every game. You'd see arcade machines everywhere.

>>6989078
I love Round 1. I hope mine survives the pandemic.

>>6986817
>shadow of their former self
Sega Sammy - Revenue: 366.6 billion JPY (2020)

kill yourself, thanks.

>>6989094
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESiCAxLive

>>6989094
Oh, you mean Sega's ALL.Net P-ras system!
https://apm.sega.jp/
The NESiCAxLive technically beat them to digital distribution, since the original 2006 version still used physical discs and Sega didn't switch over until 2013.

>>6989295
Wow seriously what are they making all that money from?

>>6989316
>>6989348
Why aren't these EVERYWHERE

>>6989482
from their games, despite what the SEGA doomers say, their games are actually selling decently well, the yakuza games make them good money

also their arcades and arcade machines

>>6989517
Once upon a time there was a game called Virtua Fighter 4 in Japan. It ran on a super, super experimental system for 2002 where it was connected to Sega's online network where it would store player profiles, and the players just had to swipe a card to access their data. It was such a ridiculously huge hit that EVERY major name in the arcade business eventually adopted their own network in Japan.

Now in America, there was no major proof of concept game like Virtua Fighter 4 to sell arcades on the prospect of these closed networks. Konami did experiment with bringing their version of it, called e-amuse, to the west for DDR Supernova, but it ultimately didn't make it past location testing. That caused a huge, huge problem since Japanese arcade machines slowly became more and more integrated with these networks, which there was just no way to access in America. A lot of modern Japanese arcade machines just outright won't play without being connected for authentication. That's the REAL reason you very, very rarely see Japanese arcade games localized after the 00s.

However, when Round1, a Japanese arcade chain, decided to branch out overseas, they retained the ability to connect to these networks due to their Japanese contracts. Hence why you'll literally never see a NESiCAxLive machine at any other arcade in the west. Konami did finally bring the e-Amuse network to the west because Dave and Busters wanted the new DDR game, though (Australia got a local e-amuse network because of the fucking TsumTsum arcade game, of all things). In other words, it all boils down to a huge difference in the way US and Japanese arcades operated that neither side was willing to compromise on. The US didn't want to fart around with network subscriptions and Japan didn't want to modify their online methods to something more palpable for western arcades (there ARE western arcade games that go online with a normal network).

>>6989523
Wow so Sega have a building that looks like the size of a miniature supermarket in Japan. Better than I expected desu.

>>6989659
For some reason "tb.h" is replaced with desu

>>6989659
You'd probably shit yourself if you saw some of their bigger Japanese arcades. (the biggest one got COVID'd last month, though)

>>6986817
did you mean to post the Nintendo logo?

>>6988303
Incredibly based. Fuck the Snoys. Their last good console was the PS2, they have been coping ever since.

>>6989720
snoys aren't the one insisting sega sell out to nintendo

>>6986817
They did pretty well for the first half of the 00s, until Sammy decided to run things.

The only good Sega games still released are literally coded by fans who grew up on their games.

>>6989632
That is very interesting. Still youd think someone like Raw Thrills wouldnt not want to combine say BBH and Terminator into one cabinet. Anyway its interesting because here in Portland there is a chain of nickel arcades and half the machines they've had are jap imports. Got to play a lot of great games through them.

>>6990087
>Still youd think someone like Raw Thrills wouldnt not want to combine say BBH and Terminator into one cabinet.
Because Raw Thrills has a borderline monopoly on US arcade machines, so encouraging buyers to buy less machines is retarded for them. It's not a case of "I could buy two Sega machines or I could buy 1 NeoGeo MVS". It's a case of "I could buy two Raw Thrills machines or I could buy 1 Raw Thrills machine that can hold multiple games".

>>6986935
>>6988165
The only thing that Nintendo puts to good use is your ass.

>>6990397
Love how Nintendo triggers the fuck out of you. Stay forever seething, console warrior-kun.

I like Sega since they port their games onto PC and don't get anal about fan projects. One of their best recent games was a passion project by fans they hired. I wish they'd be consistent with working with the fans, though.

I'm really glad Nintendo never had the chance to buy them because I really don't want to be forced to play their games on a shitty handheld with drifting joysticks and an insufferably laggy and counterproductive user interface.

>>6986817
might be true but sega is still making new total war games every year and the old ones from the 00s still have the most active modding community for any games

>>6990505
>I'm really glad Nintendo never had the chance to buy them
No doubt Nintendo execs lie sleepless in their beds thinking about what a missed opportunity there was with the 10 strange people in Japan who still visit new arcades.

>>6986817
>Never the company
>Never drew a dime
>Never had a good game before 2005 and even then was carried by vastly superior games
>Never put anyone over
>Never had the balls to step out their Japan comfort even when Microsoft threw millions at them when the company needed it
>Instead, allowed themselves to get worked into a shoot by pachinko money marks
>Main evented the lowest drawing console generation
>Tanked the buyrate of Saturn outside Japan so hard it also tanked Dreamcast's buyrate, leading to the company quitting the console business
>Was barely ever supported by anyone because the company was never a big enough deal
>So stubborn it refused outside help from others when developing Saturn's architecture
>Only the 6th best arcade developer
>Only the 7th best console manufacturer
>Only the 9th best gaming mascot
>Only the 5th best rhythm game developer
>The company's mascot, Sonic the Hedgehog, was utterly BTFO by everything else and achieved nothing notable unless fans have 100% creative control on him
>Japanese and American branches constantly headbutts each other in backstage politics all up the ass
>Needed misleading performance enhancement advertising to beat SNES
>Bought Atlus, the company's only positive impact on the business, purely for the crossovers and weeb appeal
>Spent the rest of company's life carried by weebs and nostalgiafags
>Is the gaming equivalent of that one insufferably mediocre developer whose sole professional """""""achievement"""""" is staying in the same shitty business for years
>The biggest impact the company had on the business was sitting around in the back and telling one of their regional divisions to job to each other.

>>6989482
pachinko

>>6991758
>The biggest impact the company had on the business was sitting around in the back and telling one of their regional divisions to job to each other.
Everything else is right or subjective, but trying to deny Sega's achievements in advancement of video game technology is just retarded. For fuck's sake, they were proving real-time phong shading could be done in a video game back in fucking 1999. Do you have any idea how crazy they had to be to even attempt that with the technology level of the time?

>>6991758
>Never had a good game before 2005 and even then was carried by vastly superior games
the fuck? does this retard think shadow the hedgehog is sega's best title?
>>Main evented the lowest drawing console generation
both the saturn and dreamcast's generations were highly drawing
>>The company's mascot, Sonic the Hedgehog, was utterly BTFO by everything else and achieved nothing notable unless fans have 100% creative control on him
his achievements are why sega got ahead of nintendo with the genesis for a while but ok retard
>Needed misleading performance enhancement advertising to beat SNES
lmao get off mario's ballsack. the genesis objectively had almost 4x the cpu power that the snes had. nintendo was the one obfuscating hardware performance with bing bing wahoos
>>Spent the rest of company's life carried by weebs
like every anitwitter fag i've seen is an insufferable nintendrone
>and nostalgiafags
nintendo is 100% carried by nostalgia
>>The biggest impact the company had on the business was sitting around in the back and telling one of their regional divisions to job to each other.
as the other guy said, both the genesis and dreamcast absolutely were technological achievements in their time. you're gonna tell me the n64 was still proper technical competition for the dreamcast in 1998?

it's like you think miyamoto-san is gonna personally come to your house and buttfuck you if you just lie hard enough on the internet for him

SEGA wlll still be a thing after we are all dead and gone.

>>6986817
>died with dignity instead of continuing to limp along
It was founded by an americunt to make gambling machines. It never had pride and SOUL. They just wanted your money, fanbois.
>>6990397
>>6986957
True. Nintengu is DRM on speed.

>>6992996
But not Sega-CSK, which died 15 years ago and they've never been the same since then.

>>6986982
>Sega closes during a high, before its downfall
>NOOOOOOOO FUCKING CAPITALISM THEY JUST HAD MILLIONS IN PROFIT HOW CAN THEY JUST CLOSE AND PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THEIR WORKER’S FEET
Fucking faggot

I've seen many people die but none of them exactly "died with dignity".

>>6992770
>the fuck? does this retard think shadow the hedgehog is sega's best title?
No, Yakuza (and subsequent games in the series)
>both the saturn and dreamcast's generations were highly drawing
It was about Genesis.

>>6993796
Yakuza is a shit bmup, go play Golden Axe RoDA and Streets of Rage 2 if you want actually good Sega bmups. Spikeout (the game that Yakuza ripped its battle engine from) is better as well, and also doesn't have Yakuza's shitty, cancerous RPG and cinematic elements.

>>6987027
>Sucking billionaire dick this hard

>>6993042
Stop defending corporates you cuck. They don't give a shit about your well being.

>>6986957
>>all games can now only be played on gimped, gimmicky, overpriced hardware
Don't you have some Speccy thread to sperg out in, Eurofag?

>>6991758
>Never drew a dime
Limit this autism to >>>/asp/ and stay there, please.

>>6994320
Did he lie?

>>6994287
every commie is richier than bezos and still asking money to UN/USA/EU too, dumb basedcialist

>>6988303
>also has been publishing PC games since fucking Windows 95 (native ports too, not shovelware done by third-party devs like Capcom or Konami did)
>hurr that doesn't count because they never ported this one Saturn RPG that came out years after they stopped supporting it in America

>>6988990
Even your average Dave and Buster's has at least some of the machines being Sega games. Even the non-vidya ticket ones.

>>6993809
Also nobody played Yakuza 1 in America because of a few factors.
>It came out in America a year after San Andreas and people just saw it as another crime game but Japanese
>Didn't even have a Japanese VA
>Namco, Capcom, and Konami put out other gritty crime beat-em-ups around the same time and they all sucked so people didn't think Sega would do any better