/vr/ - Retro Games

twilight princess was shit

>>6986154
Isn't twilight princess the one you have to spend half the game as a gay ass wolf?

>>6986167
Have you tried playing past the prologue? There's only like 3-4 short sections where you're forced to play as the Wolf Link.

raw soul

>>6986154
Okami made all Zelda games obsolete, you mean.

>>6986170
Shit thread, TP is the worst retro Zelda.

>>6986154
Why would I lie? Even if TP was straight up better, which it's not, I don't have the autism where I'm unable to enjoy things of varying quality and have to just obsess about THE BEST EVER GAME

>>6986175
Okami has way too much handholding, tutorial prompts literally never end and Issun always tells you the exact solution to a puzzle the moment you see it.

There isn't one thing TP does better. No, not even graphics. It looks like murky brown shite.

I just replayed both TP and Ocarina. Ocarina has consistently good dungeons where TP falls completely flat after Snowhead. Also, the amount of times you have to warp back and forth in TP is fucking ridiculous. Ocarina holds up way better.

>>6986154
All Zelda games are fucking boring.

Only if you're a furry.

>>6986295
Name two (2) bad dungeons in TP, I dare you.

>>6986314
Sky temple and the water temple
Next

>>6986319
These are some of the best dungeons in the game though, especially Sky Temple. Cry more.

>>6986325
>especially Sky Temple
lmao

>>6986170
and yet, you're forced to, and it sucks.

>>6986295
While I like both games I prefer OoT. But claiming TP didn't have the superiour dungeons is just cluelessness or blatant contrarianism.

>>6986154
playing the game with default textures.
i use the game with custom textures from the 3ds game,phong shading,bloom,smooth filtering,FXAA and the result is a hundred times better the what you are showing

>>6986360
Why not just emulate the 3DS version since it has way superior models and level geometry?

>>6986154
tp looks like dogshit

>>6986181
WW is the worst, if we're talking console only

>>6986384
Nah, 2 and LTTP are both worse than WW

>>6986397
>shitting on 2
Plebfiltered.

>>6986154
Been saying this for years. Preach brother

>>6986319
Genuinely the best dungeons in the game (and unsurprisingly the hardest ones.)

>>6986364
why emulate if i already have the 3ds version

The lead up to TP was probably one of the biggest blue balls hype fests in gaming.

>>6986360
Kill yourself subhuman nigger

>>6986154

>>6986154
>you can't enjoy (old game)! (Newer game) does everything it does, and better!
Is there anyone who actually does this? On fucking /vr/?

>>6986154
Dude twilight princess felt so... grey. I didnt even have the desire to finish it halfway through.

>>6986581
Because 1080p/4K is a huge upgrade over 240p.

>>6986397
worst take on the thread so far

>>6986397
Imagine hating worst the best zelda game..

>>6986397
LTTP isn't the best but how is it worse than WW?

>>6986170
>Have you tried playing past the prologue?
the prologue is like 3 hours

>>6986638
TMNT Arcade game is like this. It feels so archaic compared to belt sanders that came later that it's basically unplayable to me now.

>>6986602
This

I saw a thread on /v/ a few days ago about people talking about the immense hype there was before BOTW. And there was a lot of hype, but TP's hype was just unbelievable. And then 8.8

>>6986652
>AI smearing

It doesn't even have to look that bad, it just seems like whoever made it doesn't have very good taste and overshot everything

>>6986652
Is this a texture pack or were Link's clothes always that detailed

>>6986796
>AI
It's a xBRZ filter that's built into citra.

>>6986787
Yeah and the whole game is like 40 hours, it's probably the longest Zelda game outside of BOTW. There are 9 main dungeons in the game + an optional one.

>>6986154
YES 1000%

>>6986783
Because any Zelda that Isnt WW is worse

>>6986197
HAHAHA
NO.

Issun tells you every step of the puzzle you would have wanted to figure out for yourself
That's true.
But then every puzzle also disables the final step of the solution until you trigger an unprompted barely related event to the puzzle, the game always expects you to just figure that out for yourself.

Cutter House? Issun tells you exactly how to break in and drag a old man into the moonlight, But the game won't let you do that even when it's telling you to do it until you travel across the map and talk to some bird guards about their princess.

Looking the for the guardian dogs? The game tells you exactly where to find the dog, but he won't be physically there until you talk to another bird guard that mentions seeing a dog there.

This was a critically acclaimed game in 2006.

Retro 3D Zeldas Ranked:

OoT > MM > TP >>> WW

>>6986943
You have it backwards WW is the best of of those 4

>>6986948
I sure do love boring sailing, easiest dungeons in the series, and all the characters sans Ganondorf having childish and kiddy mannerisms.

>>6986972
Sailing was better than Rolling around a field for over 20 hours

>>6986708
>>6986782
Sorry the truth causes you such seething rage
>>6986783
It's straight up boring to play.

>>6986980
>t. N64-Kid

They are structurally worlds apart. TP paces itself like a JRPG, the different field regions work like continents in a world map. The game contrives some plot relevance to a given region to give you an excuse to go there, gives you specific tasks one at a time, and expounds in this way till it's filled. In OoT, the child timeline works somewhat like this, though you still have access to different parts. And when you're an adult, the game opens up as one cohesive map where the focus is completing certain tasks as opposed to charting it.

it may not be the best is the series but at least it's better than the Wind Nigger

>>6986154
True. It did everything better and more fully realized. OoT was just a proto-3D Zelda limited by the hardware it was on.

>>6986154
Creative work doesn't become "obsolete", you zoomer shithead.

>>6986154
TP Shows gamers will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the graphics look better than a 64 game

>>6986397
>game offers even the slightest semblance of challenge
>WW fan calls it bad
Every time.

>>6987280
Twilight Princess was designed to be easier than WW. Aonoma even said he wanted to make it easier and so we got the DS games.

>>6986162

Yeah what this guy said. I don’t think the game was terrible, but honestly it wasn’t great either. The graphics were good though.

>>6986154
it absolutely didn't. Ocarina has quicker sword play and action. it's more streamlined. atmosphere and world are classic (not in remake).

>>6987280
>y-you just hate it cause it's hard
>n-not cause it's shit
cope

>>6986972
I would rather sail and explore an entire island with a dungeon and secrets

>>6987509
there's nothing to explore in wind waker. almost all the islands are just barebones floating rocks in the ocean and all the "dungeon" islands are part of the main quest.

>>6987420
Since it isn't shit, yes, you just hate it because it isn't easy.

>>6987523
Obviously you never played the game each island has its own theme. Games like OOT and MM recycle the same dungeons just with different bosses. The N64 was only able to do so much compared to what the Gamecube could do.

>>6987545
Also so much hidden treasure and random encounters out at sea. Never knew what you would run into Awesome game.

>>6986181
>TP is the worst retro Zelda
It's better than Minish Cap. And it's still an 8.5-9/10 compared to Skyward Sword's 5-6/10

WW is basically a proto BOTW. Cel shaded but ugly chibi. Open world but with nothing in it. Probably the worst 3D Zelda.

>>6987564
Lots of Things to do and See. Collect Hearts, Maps, songs, etc You just suck at it. No one to blame but yourself

>>6987545
wow, you can explore like the same copypasted bokoblin platform yet again. such variety.

>>6987550
Minish Cap is one of those white noise games to me. I played it, I beat it, even 100% it. But nothing ever really grabbed me, and it was just kinda there. Not a bad game, but not a good one. Just... a thing.

>>6987572
Like I said you have not played the game. each island is different and has its on secrets. Actually play something before trolling

>>6987579
stop spreading misinformation. there are only a couple of island types reused ad nauseum
>two town islands (btw only two towns in the whole game lmao)
>minigame island
>floating rock with like one chest on it island
>main quest dungeon island
>enemy camp platform/submarine
>fairy island

>>6987597
>stop spreading misinformation. there are only a couple of island types reused ad nauseum

lol what? I have this game on my gamecube. Why would I lie when I own the actual game idiot

>>6987576
Dunno man, maybe I'm just a zoomer but Minish Cap felt like a LTTP 2.0 to me, better in almost every way. And the pixel art is so gorgeous.

>>6987605
stop sucking ww's dick then

>>6987614
I'm not as you can see none of them are exactly the same.

>>6987620
are you autistic by any chance?

>>6987623
trying to use an ad hominem because you lost an Argument..how sad.

>>6986840
>+ an optional one
wat? I don't remember any optional dungeons unless you mean the cave of ordeals.

>>6987684
Yeah I meant the cave, it's technically a dungeon.

>>6987689
>Yeah I meant the cave, it's technically a dungeon.
That's kind of subjective. I see where you're coming from, but there are no puzzles or exploration. And the thread is about comparing TP to OoT, which had 9 main dungeons, 2 mini-dungeons, and 1 optional mini-dungeon.

>>6986154
It rehashed everything Ocarina of Time did and didn't even do it better.

>>6987531
Just accept that it's a bad game already. Fucking delusional.
It's not even a tough game anyways

>>6986793
>IT'S COMING!!
>delay sorry
Repeat.
I think it was bolstered by the feelings of people who were disappointed with WW's graphical style, basically making it the first next-gen Zelda game they'd been wanting/expecting since MM came out. Granted, I was happy with WW, but the thought of a fairly realistic Zelda was extremely enticing.

TP was soul the game

>>6986162

I've never played OoT or MM. What platform should I play them on? I'm not really wanting to go out and buy hard copies, but I can borrow or download the 3DS or Wii versions.

I was 20 minutes into Twlight Princes before I felt I was playing the same game again. Ever since N64 they haven't done anything marginally original with the series.

>>6988153
Shadow of the Colossus was a kick in the balls to every Zelda gamer.

>>6988313
The 3DS version of OoT is fine but avoid the 3DS version of MM.

If you actually have a Wii try to find the Master Collection for the gamecube and Play them on there, otherwise just emulate them or play the 3DS version of OoT and emulate MM.

>>6988354
I do have a Wii and I've homebrewed it. Should I see if I can find Master Collection (either hard or ISO with Nintendont) or just play the eshop version? Or does it not matter?

What's wrong with the 3DS of MM?

>>6987608
>Minish Cap
>maybe I'm just a zoomer
yep, you are
>the pixel art is so gorgeous

>>6988354
>>6988359
MM 3D is fine too, provided you're using a flashcart or emulating:
https://restoration.zora.re/

>>6988359
For OoT it doesn't really matter. Ideally you should find a wad with version 1.0 injected in, but it's splitting hairs really.
Apparently MM has crashing issues on the GC version but the VC version is fine.

>>6986154
It didn't. None of the dungeons in Twilight Princess are as aesthetically compelling as most of OOT's temples. The original N64 version also has a way stronger and scarier atmosphere than any of TP's attempts at darkness. In general, OOT's world actually feels more soulful and mysterious. Like come on, Ordon Village has fucking nothing on Kokiri Forest.

TP's gameplay is generally much better but OOT has no underdeveloped wolf segments and is more challenging. I mean they didn't even try to make the enemies hard in TP, they barely attack and whenever they do they do like 1/4 or MAYBE 1/2 of a heart. Even Ganon does about that much damage, compared to OOT where he does 4 hearts. To be fair TPHD mitigated this with Hero Mode and the Ganondorf amiibo but the combat is still underutilized, especially given all the cool moves which all just kill nearly every enemy in one hit. The Ocarina of Time itself hopeleesly btfos the gay little wolf howls.

With some improvements TP could be amazing, as it stands it's still great but living in OOT's shadow.

>>6988539
Hero mode on the Wii U version of TP doubles damage (also mirrors the world like the Wii version, if that's your thing), and if you have a Ganondorf amiibo, doubles the damage again

>>6987326
>The graphics were good though.

Even on the GameCube they looked good.

>>6988539
Hard disagree on the soul/atmosphere, TP has a lot of great locations, like the lake, the sacred grove, the fishing hole with its 4 seasons, the ice area with the yeti's, the flying city with the chicken guys etc.

But the difficulty is so low in TP you basically have no reason to ever use the special attacks that the skeleton guy teaches you.

But maybe it's better in the HD version.

>>6986652
Can this be played in VR with the 3D effect preserved?

TP is linear and handholdy as fuck, it doesn't even touch one the open endedness you get once you get to the adult half of OoT.

TP could only match OoT if the wolf sections were removed and if all the plat railroading was stripped out of the second half of the game.

>>6988353
Why? It was a shit and fairly ugly game.

I like the wolf sections. If anything they should have been expanded on and made into some proper dungeons or something.

Why are people saying Ocarina of Time is open-ended? Lol I remember it being pretty fucking linear

>>6986154
TP would be the best Zelda in my opinion if it wasn't for those fucking wolf segments.
>Super cool big environments never seen before on a Zelda game
>A refreshing more "serious" look and feel to the game in contrast to that wind waker baby-tier visuals and storyline
>Get to a new town
>AAAAAAAAAA I'M EXPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
>No no no you aren't, first be sure to be taken completely off the game's context to find ALL those little spirit thingies!
This kills the boner

>>6988727
You can tackle the adult section out of order and can jump around as you want.

I played TP when it came out on the Wii and I enjoyed it although the waggle controls bothered me. I tried playing it again about five years ago but I gave up because I lacked the patience to sit through the cutscenes.

>>6986319
Filtered by fucking moving a pipe
Wow
>>6986326
>>6986325
Sky temple was THEMATICALLY fucking retarded with the cuckoo shit but the dungeon itself is fucking great.

But this thread should get nuked because TP isnt /vr/
But that said TP is good IF and only IF you can get past the 2 or 3 hour intro.

Allowing 6th gen discussion really did turn this place into /v/-lite. I was actually in favor of it, but now the catalog is full of shitty bait threads like this. I just wanted to be able to talk about more PC games and shit like Killer7.

>>6986167
Wolf mode was fun, fight me.

>>6989462
Combat was worse, platforming revolved around tightrope walking and Midna QTEs (which for whatever reason you could only do in arbitrary locations), and sense mode made an already ugly game look absolutely disgusting.

>>6989204
Twilight Princess was designed for and released on the Gamecube which is an "allowed" console on this board.

I will once TP has a randomizer as good as OoT

>>6989462
It was fun. Wolf Link has a nice combat loop with plenty of varied moves and is always pitted against enemy design that makes use of his unique mechanics. The main problem with Wolf Link is that there’s no sense of progression gameplay-wise, but he plays much better than most people give him credit for and the level design actually considers his presence quite often.

>>6987313
The post you are quoting is respondong to someone shitting on 2 and lttp, the two most based loz games.

>>6988727
Here are the Arbitrary barriers in OoT:
Can't Leave Kokkiri forest until Deku Tree dies
Can't go to death mountian until you get Zelda's letter
Can't travel back in time till you beat the forest temple
Can't learn the Shadow Temple's song until you beat the Water Temple

Beyond that, pretty open ended. If a dungeon or temple is too bullshit you can leave after getting the Item and do the next dungeon without any fuss.
A lot of barriers that seem like they need 1 Item can be solved in other ways too, Like Jumping Gerudo Bridge with Epona.

Yikes

>>6989589
>combat loop
fuck off

>>6987571
Not that anon but I just beat Wind Waker today for the first time. Despite really liking it, it clearly felt rushed in ways other Zelda's didn't, even compared to Majora's mask.
>Lots of Things to do and See.
Idk if Id say there is a lot to see. Most islands are either one off puzzles, tiles to just hold a treasure spot/submarine but no puzzle, or god forbid one of those big square isle with the pillars. Those feel the most like padding outside of the Triforce Hunt. The one off puzzles, despite usually being piss easy, are cool the first time, and it does kind of feel like Breath of the Wild at first. But then once you realize there really isn't all that much out there the ocean does feel kinda small and padded. And you'll only go back to a place if you need the treasure from the chart. And the special events boil down to the big octopus once for the fairy and then every other time is just kinda that again and for less cool shit. The ghost ship happens like once for the triforce.
>Collect Hearts, Maps, songs, etc
Hearts I'll give you are always good. Maps were ok, usually I never went out of my way to find their treasure spot. I was just in the area because I had to sail somewhere and crossed over it. Also songs? Bro you get fucking 6, and the UI to play them is somehow way fucking worse than the instruments in Ocarina and Majora. It makes no sense to me why have these changeable tempos if there are 6 songs total. If anything the best thing to collect was all the power ups you could get out of order between the fairy islands and the Ice/Fire islands.
>You just suck at it.
This is the easiest Zelda I've ever played. Not saying that it wasn't fun still, but there is nothing to get good at. Link jumping and spinning mid combo fucked me a couple times, and the parry mechanic fucks up a lot by whiffing or rolling into something that hurts Link. And somehow using the bow and hookshot is all around worse than in Ocarina and Majora.

>>6989801
Never

>>6990062
WW is still really pretty though.

>>6989801
Imagine getting triggered

I think both games are fun

>>6990168
NO! YOU HAVE TO PICK SIDES!

>>6990149
Thats totally true. The lighting effect in the fire dungeon and Ganon's castle caught me off guard how good they were. Its a shame how much tweaking you have to do though to get through the filter and dithering on the gamecube. Just using the GCHD without Swiss looks like a screen door overlaid.
>>6990168
This guy gets it

>>6986154
Just admit that you played tp when you were 8 and oot never. Zoomie.

>>6986167
Isn't OOT the one you have to spend half the game as a gay ass kid?
see anyone can do it.

>>6988763
Only kind of true. you need bow and longshot to do quite a bit

>>6990176
It's no fun if there's no conflict, anon. People would just make boring "yeah, great game, I loved it" posts and the thread would die 15 posts in. We're not reddit after all.

TP is obviously superior though, so there isn't that much to discuss.

>fags arguing over which turd is better

If you have to play retro Zelda, you go with 3. Otherwise you can just play Genshin Impact.

>>6986154
saying it's better than OOT is debatable but am sure we can all agree it's the best Zelda game on the Gamecube
WWfags can go and fuck themselves

>>6986181
WW or MC is the worst

>>6991832
>MC
>the worst Zelda
Who the fuck actually believes this?

>>6987726
TP also had multiple unique Gannon fights.

>>6986181
7th gen
>retro

>>6991836
The worst Zelda game was Wind Waker if you were (like myself) one of the kids screaming your lungs out from the E3 trailer that showed Link fighting Ganon, only to be greeted by a game with cartoon designs for 3yo kids

>>6991970
but you surely grew up and realized that that is an infantile complaint for tryhard teens, right?

>>6991283
You can actually see shit and can do way more than just flail yourself around, but you must cope.

Wind Waker basically 3-dimensionalized the spritework for Link To The Past and I don't ever see people commend it for this

>>6992887
if you werent such a smooth brain, you'd see that I was arguing that calling something "gay-ass" is one of the worst arguments someone can come up with. In Okami, you play as a gay ass wolf the whole time according to people who dont like it. but I digress, this is 4chan after all

>>6992089
Not really, since it turned out that the game also played like a game designed for 3yo kids.

Nope. TP is amazing, but it doesn't replace OoT. Both are pretty different games. TP isn't a remake or remaster