/vr/ - Retro Games

How good is VGA monitors with OSSC?

>>6925989
Good. It's the best way to run 6th gen imo.

>>6925991
Even with bob?
Is it better than 14" PVM?

Friendly reminder to avoid the tranny-infested Discord server at all cost and keep the threads bumped. Ignore Discord trannies and do not give into their bait.

>>6925636
I used to have a little Sharp CRT as a teen. I miss it.

>>6925636
I used to have a little Sharp CRT as a kid. I missit.

>>6926873
>pic
Looks comfy.

>>6925989
Obscenely sharp. With scanlines enabled it's basically like using one of those crazy high-TVL BVMs. Without scanlines it pretty much looks like an LCD, just with better motion clarity.

>>6927162
Looks good, but what about 480i?

What’s the best CRT Royale variant and why?

These are some of the worst threads we have on /vr/, this is a retro game board, not a crt board, starting today I’m filtering crt out of my search results so I never have to see this shit again.

I used to be a CRT fan but OSSC on a good TV is honestly just so beautiful that it's hard to justify having such a big clunky thing in your living space. My flatscreen Trinitron has served me well but OSSC is one of the best things to have happened to retro gaming ever.

>>6927205
Again, with alternating scanlines it looks like 480i on a BVM. I personally find the effect kind of strange looking and distracting, and would rather play 480i games pretty much any other way (bob deinterlacing without scanlines, on a lower-TVL PVM or normal consumer CRT TV, or even on a modern TV with motion-adaptive deinterlacing). To each his own, though.

>>6925714
Is this 16:9? Screen looks curved so it's before Sony swapped to full flat screens, but supports widescreen/component?

>>6927325
>My flatscreen Trinitron
Well I see you're problem. I feel bad for flatscreen CRT owners.

>>6927479
Yes. Europe got quite a few curved widescreen sets from all sorts of brands. Us North Americans only really got a handful. There was also of course the GDM-W900.
>>6927483
Flat tubes can be okay if you're able to calibrate a CRT. Which you really should be able to do if you own one, not like you're gonna find somebody else to do it.

>>6925996
What do you plan on running at 480i? PS2? Use GSM to force output to 960i.

>>6927854
He'd still have to de-interlace it and the compatibility on that isn't good.

>>6927859
960i is the same frequency of 480p. The monitor will display it.

>>6927979
still needs de-interlaced

>>6928020
No. A VGA CRT will display 960i straight, no deinterlacing needed. Try it.

R8 my setup

>>6928028
Your rating depends on whether Bing Bing Wahoo 64 is being played via emulation or flash cart.

>>6928031
I'll never tell babe

*sips* ahhhh.... Playing on a 15 inch screen from 2 feet away. Yep, this is the life.

I've been looking for something to put my 32 inch jvc on for 2 weeks now. Might end up having to diy something.

Should I watch this video on my crt?

https://youtu.be/iXrmZDqfh-g

>>6928069
I have two 40 inch crts

>>6927979
I suppose so, but he's asking about an OSSC. He would need a transcoder or a monitor that supports RGsB, the latter being a huge pain in the ass.

>>6928225
The OSSC can pass through 960i. Just need an HDMI-to-VGA converter.

>>6925636
is there something wrong with plugin a ps4 to a crt using a hdmi converter? mine got busted. sent it for repairs and got busted again. i even tried on diferent rooms in case it was the plug.

Looking to purchase my first CRT. I currently own a dreamcast, gamecube, and 64. Any recommendations? So far I've been very drawn to Panasonic 12" style CRTs with built in DVD player. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.

>>6928905
Probably a VGA monitor since it would pair nicely with the Dreamcast and the Gamecube for 480p. You'd need a scaler for 15khz media though.
An SD set would be alright if you're fine with 480i max though.
I recommend trying to be find a 20" set if you can though. It seems to be the perfect size for something compact while not being too large. I personally find 12-14" CRT to be smaller than most people think.

>>6928896
The PS4 can output 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p (4K is only for images and movies, apparently), so I'd say there's nothing wrong. The only downside is that if you want to emulate 240p games/consoles, it will upscale them, making them blurry.

>>6927854
GSM is fun little thing, but almost useless because how little cases in which it actually works.

>>6927667
Fucking Yuropoors. Specially with their concumer sets having RGB.

>>6929546
480p is pretty broken but 960i works much more frequently.

>>6930080
Anon, there's no option as 960i in GSM, there's some sort of 1080i, which even when it works uses so little of pixels that it's not even worth it. Like 1/4 of the screen.
And if we talking about OSSC on PC CRT, then it will be even worse. In recent OSSC firmware they've added ability to zoom in PSP games, but it only works on digital displays. On PC CRT it will still be a small square.

And the best part: it doesn't even gain any image fidelity, 1080i in GSM is useless.

>>6927327
I like how the OSSC looks at 2x480i on a VGA monitor, only in real life though, looks horrible through a camera.

>>6929507
so the problem was the tv. i want to get another crt but dont want them to keep braking.

>>6931116
>but dont want them to keep braking
That's what you have to deal with when it comes to 20+ years old tech. Things don't last forever.

>>6930170
Maybe the version you're using can't, but there are versions of GSM that can indeed output 960i, OSSC can pass through the 960i signal, and the VGA CRT will display it. It's well documented on shmups and Reddit. It looks just like 480i on a consumer TV.

>>6930903
Well, like I said, without scanlines it's fine. With alternating scanlines enabled the combing becomes really pronounced and it has that weird crawling line effect that bugs out my eyes. Normal 15 kHz TVs are coarse enough that it's not an issue, and 1080i on a CRT PC monitor looks great. Interlacing just doesn't work well when there's huge gaps between the lines, at least in my opinion.

>>6930170
Version 0.23 for sure outputs 960i.

>>6931293
v0.23? What is that ancient?
Anyway, no one would use GSM when OPL has it build-in.

>>6931280
I just don't know if I want to get another bulky screen for EXPERIENCE, my PVM already captured my only table.

>>6931301
What's your solution for someone who wants 480i on a VGA CRT like the OP? It's possible and simple.

>>6931308
It sounds like you already know what you wanted to do and just asked for the sake of posting.

>>6927162
man that hurts to look at

>>6931318
Well, you caught me, tee-hee.

>>6931317
GBS-8200 with gbs-control?

>>6925636
This thread is off topic and belongs on /g/. Hopefully the mods put you trolls in your place

Scart love

>>6932129
How are your APMs? Mine have blown tweeters :(

whats the best S-video 32 inch TV available in USA

>>6932752

what about dis

>>6932760
>hd
no

>>6932760
The FV15 is a good TV, it has component as well. If you never intend to use component then go for a curved trinitron imo.
>>6932852
Retard.

>>6932858
>likes shitty upscaling, input lag, and latency
>calls ME the retard
if you listen to this dipshit you get what you deserve, a bad tv

>>6932871
Go look up what an FV15 is.

Toshiba 27A41

>>6932734
They work perfect but i had to find some L brackets to actually attach to the TV
The keep getting loose and falling
I dont know a proper way to put them on

>>6933105

>>6933105
did the 2050 even come with those?

>>6933138
2030*
although looking at it that looks a little bigger, 2530?

>Buy PVM(14m2u) expecting a huge improvement over my Framemeister
>It's okay
>PVM collects dust for 3 years
>Decide to watch 480i 4:3 cartoons on Netflix on a PS3 through RGB SCART.

Ho Lee Fuk

>>6933185
you can also get the DVDs of old cartoons and they'll look great too

Anyone know the best way to connect an HDD with 480i content on it to a CRT to basically do what >>6933185 is doing?
I could try from my PC, but it's a 1080ti so it doesn't have analog output.
I have s-video and component inputs on my CRT.

>>6933843
Got a PS3?

>>6933856
I do. Some quick google searching after reading your post said Ps3 only support MP4, AVI, WMV, and M4V. I just checked a few of the file types and for example my download of Desert Punk is MKV. Any way to get MKV to work?

>>6933881
Universal Media Server and stream to the PS3 over LAN.

>>6933884
>Universal Media Server
I'll look into it, thanks.

>>6933843
Use your PC or a Raspberry Pi and one of these pieces of chink shit. They work fine as long as you set the output modeline correctly. There are lots of guides out there.

>>6933884
How about UMS over OG Xbox?
Do you have any config for it?
Because replugging PS3 from HDTV to CRT is a pain (and my HDMI in PS3 is dead).

Looking to get my first proper CRT for 6th gen consoles and my Wii.
I found a Sony Trinitron KV-XA29M31 online near me but the price is a bit steep.
It does 60hz and takes component but I've been unable to find information on:
>if it outputs 480p and not just 480i
>can output proper 240p

>>6934141
That looks like an SD set that does 240p/480i. Those HD sets don't output 240p properly and add all kinds of lag. I found the most affordable solution is to use one of these for 5th gen and below and a VGA CRT with transcoder for 6th gen @ native 480p.

>>6934127
I've never used OG Xbox for this cause I have no component cables for it so I can't really help you there, sorry.

>>6934183
That makes sense then, because I found some guy online complaining about not being able to output 480p with his weird setup.
Guess I'll just wait for another listing. Vga crt's aren't what I'm after and I don't mind spending a bit more to get a decent result.

>>6934141
looks the same as mine, should have s-video on front and back.

cant do 480p, havent had any lag issues, svideo looks nut worthy for older stuff but the component looks good if you got the system for it. wont work with light guns though

>>6934259
If you want something that does 240p/480i AND 480p native, options are pretty much limited multiformat monitor and those go for thousands now. The HD Trinitrons process the image, don't display proper 240p, and you'll have a bunch of lag.

>>6934305
Dang, well 240p was just a bonus. My main priority was and is 480p/60hz/component.
Hard to find but I've got some saved searches with alerts enabled. Just gota be quick.
That aside, what's a good component switch box that wont degrade video output?

>>6934325
Good luck, keep an eye out for 100hz sets cause some off those might actually do 480p.

>>6934329
I heard 100hz sets are awful though, and that most are widescreen.

>>6934367
There's a good amount of 4:3 ones, but the thing is you need to be able to do 31khz horizontal to do 100/120hz. Same as 480p. Supposedly some 100hz sets did actually do proper 480p.

>>6933185
I have an older roku that has av out that i stream old 4:3 tv to my crt with. Works great. Doesnt look quite that good though since its not PVM.

>>6934212
What about Wii?
It, too, can use it with WiiMC.

>>6934593
It chugs on anything with even moderate bitrate so decent quality dvdrips are out of the question.

>>6933185
You do realize you can watch spongebob in HD on a modern set right? Full blown high definition on a 70 inch tv, and it looks great, you are being amazed at 480? On a tiny screen? You delusional fucking autistic weirdos.

>>6934698
cartoons look better on crts

>>6934698
It's made for standard definition, if you blow that up onto an HD set, it's going to look like shit.

I am about to go to the store to pick up an insulated screwdriver and a pair of gloves to make a yoke adjustment on my CRT. Nowhere in town sells those giant 30kv insulated electrician's gloves, so I'm just going to get a cowhide glove or nitrile coated glove (not sure which yet) to do it and be careful not to touch any AC whatevers.

How retarded am I? Is this probably fine?

>>6934698
>watch in HD
>"wow, now I can see where the pixels stagger instead of blending together seamlessly!"

>>6935084
just keep your off hand in your pocket so it doesn't ground a circuit through your heart

>>6935084
I remember I was about to do the same thing and my friend(an electrician) told me that nitrile coated gloves wouldn't do anything.

>>6935115
Yeah I know to keep it in my back pocket, know a guy that used to do amplifier repairs. He did them with his bare hands though. I don't wanna die lol.

>>6935123
I mean I've seen people make yoke adjustments with their bare hands so I'm not terribly worried, I just want -something- there. I need a pair of leather gloves for yard work anyway.

>>6925636
how do i connect my pc to a crt? i tried a cheap hdmi to composite adapter and its pretty good for genesis and snes and is really blurry with nes games.

>>6935285
Post a picture?

>>6934720
>>6934713
>>6935095
Have you actually watched a clip of spongebob in HD? Go on YouTube and find an official clip from Nickelodeon, there no shitty Pixals, no it doesn’t look better on a crt, it looks absolutely crisp and clear in 1080p, you delusional autistic weirdos.

>>6935451
We're talking about the SD 4:3 episodes you fucking retard.

>>6935451
Oh yes, of course, what a beautiful picture that gives. Pic related, anon actually thinks this looks good.

>>6925636
I just got this thing but I need a proper SCART cable for my PS2. Should I go for the CSYNC cable on Retrogamingcables.uk instead of the Sync on Luma one?

>>6935816
No point. Just get sync on luma.

>>6935696
Why is spongebob being brought up in the first place? This is a retro game board, not a crt/childhood cartoon board, fucking people are ruining this board.

>>6935816
Build your own. SoL is better.

>>6935896
Lose the argument, change the subject. Here I was thinking you were trolling to look stupid, which is almost as sad.

>>6935904
You sound autistic, I’m not even joking

>>6935816
Get Luma, don''t bother with CSync unless your equipment requires it for operation.

>>6935816
Too bad you can't get these sets in the US. Aesthetically they look great and their boxy shape is really nice for tate mode.

>>6936050
Plus the tubes aren't even really that bad. Solid good picture quality.

>>6935896
spongebob came out in 1998

>>6934698
the recent upscaled versions lose a little detail and mess up anything that was over 24fps

I didn't realize how often I came here to ask questions until I was searching for the thread and couldn't find it. Glad to see it's here again.

Anon who drove 40 minutes to and back to pick up a free Sony Trinitron KV-20WS1U here.
The right side speaker wasn't working yesterday, but I guess it might be a connector inside, because I was moving it today and it's working now. So now the only problems is that it has black bars at the bottom, slightly warping the image into a curve, therefore making it look like the whole image is rotated up to 5°, and there's color bleed (in the color bleed test the alternating black and red vertical lines form a chess pattern instead). I was able to reach the service menu, and I made the image much better than it was, but certain things can't be fixed and are a product of old age.
Also found that the problem with these SD widescreen units is that it's sort of a fake one. There's the 4:3, and then 3 zoom options. The Zoom 3 is also the only decent one, filling up the screen, but it of course expands the original content, making most things look worse.
I thought it would be a flat panel, but it's actually slightly curved.
I'd say it was worth it, at least for learning purposes, since it's only the second CRT I've owned, not counting the ones I had until I was a teen.

>>6936861
Also, I suck at taking pictures of CRT screens, partly because I only have my phone. It looks much better in person. The "New Age of Heroes" isn't all crushed, it's actually pretty nice.

>>6936861
I mean using composite on a 24 inch set with 4:3 zoomed to 16:9 what did you expect, that model is quality I had one (you could clearly see its a curved 90's set in the picture you originally posted baka) and if there's any geometry issues you can't fix then use it as your test tv and try to fix it, there's no point accepting its a fault of old age things will only get worse and if you never learn to fix anything you won't find any in great working order down the line.

>>6936985
> I mean using composite on a 24 inch set with 4:3 zoomed to 16:9 what did you expect
I don't have any RGB SCART cables, so composite+SCART adapter is the best thing for now. 4:3 actually looks a bit worse because in zoomed 16:9 you don't pay much attention to imperfections.
> if you never learn to fix anything you won't find any in great working order down the line.
I know. I might try to fix it in the future, since I'm becoming an apprentice electrician next week, so that might help with it.
PS2 titles still look good on it if they're dark or fast paced, making the black bars at the bottom less noticeable. as for 4:3 consoles I have a 14" Samsung, so might use that one.

I have a KV-27S15 and recently had a power outage, come to find out leaving it off for a few minutes resets whatever adjustments I’d made in the service menu. I keep a sheet with the correct numbers and it’s only like 10 settings but I have no idea why this happens. Do these fuckers have coin batteries or something?

>>6935451
Old cartoons were made with animation cels by hand. Then they had to turn that into TV signal using a camera. Not exactly sure how many intermediate steps there were but if the original stuff wasn't preserved the 480i is the best that's left.
In spongebobs case I remember seeing it on Netflix when they had it and it looked damn good So they may have rescanned it somehow.
But otherwise, for 480i cartoons you usually just want the DVD release if there was one. Watching old simpsons online looks like complete shit. Sure it's not the most beautiful looking cartoon but it doesn't compress well at all.

>>6937123
Another issue...
I was playing on it and the bottom “wobbled” for a second before it seemingly powered down, for lack of a better term. It didn’t turn off and there was still audio, but I could see the RGB electron gun go to the middle of the screen and collapse...

Turned back on by punching the chassis.

Caps? Anyone else familiar with this issue?

>>6937675
>Turned back on by punching the chassis.
If you can fix problems by wiggling or smacking anything it means there is most likely loose or cracked solder joints somewhere on one of the boards.

>>6933185
>14m2u
I like how 2d looks on those too

>>6937675
i have been punching my CRT to turn back on after ~1 hour of use for over 15 years
still works

>>6938310
My dad used to do that, until the screen had a green tint to it.

>>6938243
600tvl is nearly perfect for 480i and just a little too high for 240p imo. it's a good comprise but I wish they made a nice 500tvl pvm.

>>6938240
>>6937675
>>6938310
Webm related, wasn't able to capture it turning off but it looks exactly like shutting off a CRT but with a little bit of lingering light in the middle. Also can spaz out and become wobbly with a high pitch whine before going out, hitting it works in that case as well.
This can happen multiple times in a row so at the moment I'm not sure I would consider this usable. Worried I fucked something up when opening it the other day to add some convergence strips but not entirely sure.
At some point this week I guess I'll open it again and check out the main board at the bottom closest to where I'm hitting it for any cracked / cold / loose solder joints and add some new solder.

I tried setting my VGA CRT to an interlaced resolution today and the nvidia control panel just complains that the resolution isn't supported.
I'm using a Sunix displayport to VGA converter, so could that be the problem?

>>6937123
Press muting, then enter to write the settings to memory.

>>6938664
A quality consumer set should give you 500tvl though. Why even bother with a PVM at that point?

>>6938664
I mean they do, the whole Sony N-series are 500 tvl pvms.

>>6939605
anyone got any 480p tv recommendations for ps2

>>6939617
480p for PS2? Why just use an SD set 95% of the library caps out at 480i. Maybe if you wanted to use an Xbox/Gamecube.
That said get a PC Crt for 480p+ and an SD tv for for 480i. You can use the PC Crt for everything, but you'll need a scaler like the OSSC or Retrotink to support 15khz 240p/480i.
You could try getting a multiformat monitor that supports 240p/480i/480p/720p/1080i, but be ready to spend anywhere from $700-$2500 here in the US depending on the size you want.

>>6939668
any crts that do that

>>6933024
Love the colors of Toshiba

>>6933024
People sleep on Toshiba's A series but they are every bit as good as JVC's D series. I'd say its indistinguishible.

>>6939617
HD CRTs are good for 480p and 1080i so they fill the PS2/GCN/Xbox/Wii niche pretty well. Unfortunately that generation is a mess of resolution support so unless you go the multisync monitor route there's no single display that will be the best for every game. You really have to just prioritize what sacrifices you're willing to make.

>>6939918
dont they got lag

>>6940015
An insignificant amount at those resolutions. The real lag comes if it has to scale 240p or 480i.

>>6928031
>emulation or flash cart.
Why not the original cart?

What could be the issue when my image is really dim, even with brightness turned up, but the menu is bright and colorful like it's supposed to be at the same time.
Using a HDMI to VGA converter with a VGA Trinitron.

>>6940226
Limited/full range issue?

>>6940318
Tried both, no change.
A tube issue wouldn't make sense, right? Then the menu would be dim too. But the difference between having notepad and the OSD of the monitor open next to each other is huge when it comes to brightness.

can i plug a subwoofer to any crt or is this the only way to get it?

I think there might be a way to get higher resolutions over RGB Scart for the original Xbox (I'm using an automatic switch before anyone asks why). I've been looking at the nkpatcher vga bios and DAC datasheets and it seems that it is possible to configure them to output various types of signals, one of which is RGsB, what's interesting is that for at least the Conexant DAC (1.0-1.3) the documentation seems to show that you're able to configure the registers in such a way to allow you to send any signal you want over what would be useful as the sync line. Also, you can disable sync on the other DAC outputs. With this it should be possible to output Gs on the sync line (DAC_D) while outputting proper RGB on DAC_A/B/C. I unfortunately dont know very much about how to configure these registers and if anyone would like to take a look I'd be happy to upload the source and datasheets for someone to take a stab at. Revision 1.6's DAC is a bit of an enigma and cant be configured but it seems like all earlier revisions can be.

For the record I've been trying to figure this out for awhile now but also have a hard time testing because I still need to get a modchip. If anyone has the proper tools and interest I'll upload the files and go into more detail.

>>6925636
>480i
Pff, ahaha!
*576i SECAM*

Has anyone used 100Hz TVs for retro gaming? How was it? I understand correctly that at 60 Hz NTSC, such a TV will output 120 Hz (I'm from Russia, we have 50 Hz SECAM, but many retro gamers prefer NTSC, since at 50 Hz the game slows down).

Has anyone used 100Hz TVs for retro gaming? How was it? I understand correctly that at 60 Hz NTSC, such a TV will output 120 Hz (I'm from Russia, we have 50 Hz SECAM, but many retro gamers prefer NTSC, since at 50 Hz the game slows down).

>>6939605
Yeah that's true. Unfortunately they don't take component so I wouldn't want to get one as most of what I do is actually PS2, Xbox, and emulation on a Wii. Would work nice with my emudriver PC though.

>>6940661
don't fall for this reddit meme, it's a piece of shit composite only with shit speakers and it's inexplicably ugly

>>6940958
It's a marketing meme

>>6940958
>(I'm from Russia, we have 50 Hz SECAM, but many retro gamers prefer NTSC, since at 50 Hz the game slows down).
Most PAL sets do PAL60 or RGB60.

>>6940865
Just like with the PS2, yes, when you're doing 31kHz, you can output even 1080i over the RGB lines.

>>6940226
I really hope you don't except serious help in this thread. Go ask /g/ or /diy/, people here only do it because the meme.

Is it possible to get a studio grade CRT at a affordable price still, or are those days long gone?

>>6941693
Yes, eBay, Craigslist, other sites like that.
There's plenty of LaCie, NEC, Sony, etc CRTs going around for free to cheap, just have to be fast.

>try to get a decent crt
>check every marketplace online
>most listings only contain one blurry picture of the front
>only about 10% of listings will even have a picture of the back
>have to become sherlock crt holmes trying to match up the tv model with google images to narrow down the model number
>if I do find the model number there's still next to no information most of the time
>read ancient scanned manuals that don't tell me shit except how to change the remote batteries
I wish I sorted this out a decade ago. This is hell

>>6941719
based

Does anybody know of a way to get decent SCART cables for PS1 and PS2? RetroAccess says I need to wait a month, and last time I waited for her timeframe, nothing got restocked. Retrogamingcables.uk is completely out of stock and has been for months now. I could buy an official cable for $150 off Ebay for the PS1, but there's still absolutely nothing available for the PS2/PS3. I'm using a chink sync on composite SCART right now and my PVM does not like it.

>>6940958
It's was mostly a selling point for watching tv since 50hz flicker wasn't that nice on the eyes, it works fine I think there's just a few Philips 100hz digital scan models that don't work correctly with light guns, but that's about it

>>6941847
>but there's still absolutely nothing available for the PS2/PS3.
They literally use the same cable don't fall for the meme of "it has more caps in the ps1 cable so don't use it for ps2, buy another one!" it makes no fucking difference.

>>6941847
Yes. Make your own. Not that hard, get a cheap USB powered iron, that's enough.
Otherwise you'll never know how good the cable is.

>>6941869
Turns out my chink cable wasn't working because the analog connector for sync on my SCART to BNC cable had to be tightened. So I guess I can hold off now until a proper restock happens on retrogamingcables.

I have a JP21 Genesis cable here, can you tell from looking at it how much voltage it’s sending? I’m worried about messing up my equipment.

>>6941890
>>6935902
>/vr/ doing things themselves
are you new here?

Is it possible to S-Video/RGB mod a 1982 Sony Trinitron? It’s only RF and has no service menu.

I got a question for help. I have a Dell branded 21inch Trinitron. It's worked great for years and years. And as soon as I get ready to start using it quite a bit a few weeks ago. I noticed the screen all of a sudden was cocked at an angle to the left a little bit and the colors in the top right of the screen was off. I sloppily corrected it a bit in settings, but WTF just happened? Is this something I should open the thing up and fix. Or should I just get a calibration feed going into it and manually adjust the settings until they're right again?

>>6942562
It was like my Monitor had a micro stroke when I wasn't looking.

>>6942538
I'm sure it is, but you have figure out how to do it with out killing it. Usually this is a TV by TV basis. There's no general guide that will get this done for you from start to finish as far as I know.

>>6942538
If it has no onscreen menu then no.

>>6940226
>my image is really dim
oh no no no no

>>6933843
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this works great for me senpai

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this works great for me senpai

>>6942538
It's always possible, but whether you can do it easily depends on the model. A TV that old probably won't have a jungle chip with RGB inputs that you can repurpose, though. Also, some of those old RF-only sets will have a hot chassis, so be careful (more careful than usual) about poking around in there.

>>6942574
>>6942624
>>6942695

Thanks I probably won’t touch it. All guided are based on more modern TVs.

Think if the tube ever dies I could gut her, dissemble a sony 32 inch CRT and do a swap without it looking janky?

>>6942836
Might be able to change the guts right now, keep the tube. Not much changed electronically for decades in Trinitron tubes and their drivers, just became more cost effective and efficient.

>>6942682
It's locked to 480p/576p though. Can't do 240p/288p and can't do native 480i/576i (it converts progressive to interlaced internally though, which gives poor results).

>>6925636
>.hack
OP confirmed for not a faggot.
Nice CRT btw

I got a PC CRT Monitor that stops displaying the color red if it's turned on for too long.
How long it takes for the red color channel to go away varies, but if left unused for about a day, the red comes back before going away again sometime after being turned on.
I WANT this monitor functioning. It supports an impressive amount of resolutions and refresh rates. Fuck's wrong with this thing, and how do I fix it?

>>6942849
ah shit didn't know it didn't do 480i, hope you find something that works for you

>>6943023
Yup, it's sad.
Best way to connect a PC to a 15kHz TV is a old AMD GPU that has VGA output and use a driver based solution to output 15kHz and a VGA to SCART (RGBS).

>>6933843
if you don't want to use the PS3 (the best solution), you can get an old laptop/video card with s-video out, or there are roku models with composite out. These will not do 240p but you won't use any 240p media this way anyways.

>>6942951
What monitor?

You might want to give it a good clean and check up if you're comfortable with poking around inside a CRT, might be mechanical failure like a cold solder joint or a pot being dirty and being triggered by heat expansion as the monitor heats up.
Use contact cleaner on pots and connectors, check the solder joints, reflow if needed.
A recap is always a good idea too, the older the more it should need one.

Might be component failure though. Like IC or transistor. Don't think it's the tube / gun.

>>6933843
Like other anons mentioned, PS3. Also a softmodded Wii would work fine. Both PS3 and Wii can easily be softmodded these days for more functions.
Other options include PS2, OG Xbox.

>>6942849
is 480p not ok? whenever i play stuff it feels and looks like a real console.

Is there even a point in having a actual crt instead of just using a scan line filter

>>6943101
Pure 480p would be ok.
Most older consoles are 240p, but integer scaling gives absolutely fine results. Most people just like the scanlines or dithering of real 240p.

The problem is that this adapter only takes 480p, all HDMI to composite or Y/C adapters do and they convert that internally to 480i. That fucks up the picture a lot when it comes to moving objects or scenes, things like side scrollers become super stuttery for example.

Either try >>6943030 or HDMI to YPbPr to RGBS or component.

>>6943116
Yes. The differences are huge. It's something you have to try.
Generally I'm totally fine with panels and/or emulation. But CRTs are just something else.

Original hardware + CRT is probably what most people would say is "perfection", I'd say that emulation + CRT is already more than enough for me.
The dithering, the colors, the motion clarity, the latency, the perfect (or near perfect) fit of the image to the aspect ratio, it makes the experience a lot more fun.

If you can, give it a try, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
Plus, even scan line filters can still be useful on CRTs, if you can't or don't want to do 240p for example and use 480p instead. Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Video related is 2560x240@120Hz though in RetroArch.

>>6943151
P.S. I find picture quality that good perverse though for old games. I prefer composite on a 14-32" Trinitron TV instead.
It's still nice and fun though.

>>6941551
figured as much. thanks ill get another one.

>>6943154
>I prefer composite on a 14-32" Trinitron TV instead.
based

>>6943154
>>6943189
That is with modern composite encoders though. The picture is really good and you still benefit a bit from it's dithering.
So no original hardware unless modded, but encoder replacements are cheap, common and easy to do.

>>6943151
Looking at that for any length of time would give me a headache.

>>6943116
It really is something you have to see for yourself in person to believe.
Videos can't do them justice because crt's fundamentally display differently than modern displays.

>>6943203
Yeah, sorry about the shitty recording and webm conversion, there's a lot of artifacting and detail loss.
In reality it's surreal to look at, since it looks like a drawing, absolutely perfect and at 120Hz, there's no flicker, it's possible the least in terms of headache when it comes to CRTs.

>>6938243
>>6933185
>>6933646
It really is a joy watching 4:3 stuff on a good old crt.
Eureka Seven and Outlaw Star are beautiful on my 24" wega.

A number of those older shows getting "HD" remasters, but they only need them because everyone watches them now on displays they weren't meant for.
Plus I really hate the black borders.

>>6943267
>displays they weren't meant for.
Based. It's a shame people ignore the one big argument for CRTs, that it's not just games but any content made specifically for them, that makes them so much better for said content.

>Plus I really hate the black borders.
If it's 21:9 content, get a ultrawide, or at least OLED or something with backlight zones, so the borders aren't noticeable.

>>6943396
I think old cartoons are the easiest way to see the truth in this. If you watch an old early 90s anime or something, the reason the line work was jet black and thicker, and the colors in general were high contrast is because at 480i you couldn't be too subtle with the detail or it wouldn't be visible.

What's the easiest 480p crt to find in Australia?
Slowly learning that they're very hard to come by. I don't want to compromise and get a crt monitor though.

>>6940226
grab a gpu that can do vga out and cut the hdmi AND the converter out of the equation and see if that makes a difference

>>6943880
a vga monitor, consumer 480p crts are literally diamonds in the usa

>>6943880
none of them are easy to find. And they're hundreds of dollars minimum. Those ones you will most likely not find in the wild; the days of calling your local tv production studios are over

Sup CRTfags. I recently replaced my GTX 980 with a RTX 3080 and I got a DP to VGA DAC. I can see the BIOS just fine but as soon as Windows boots the screen makes two clicks and briefly shows a small white box with color bars and H: ON V: ON. Then it squeezes toward the center as if vertical deflection failed and does it all over.
I tried it with my Thinkpad and it still works.

>>6944715
you're probably sending it a resolution out of range.

>>6944739
That's what I thought at first so I opened up narrator and set it to 800x600 60Hz blind and it's still doing that. It's real late but it just occurred to me I can connect my TV to the HDMI while the CRT is also connected and mess around in the Nvidia control panel to set a custom resolution for it.
I'll try after work tomorrow and see if it helps.

>>6944746
Make sure it's not trying to upscale it to whatever it thinks the "native" resolution of your adapter is.

>>6925636
can someone give me a run down on crt emu drivers and crt switch res i have a 480i trinitron and im looking to get 240p emulation. I have one of pic related.

>>6944751
Fuck you're right I never thought of that. The adapter is one of those HDMI+VGA ones that does 4K, but I thought it would just pass through the CRT's EDID data to the GPU if only the VGA port was being used.

>>6925636

>>6934127
It's not a pain. Hold the power button on startup until you hear a second beep. You're welcome.

>>6944980
based and christpilled

>>6944580
>>6944581
Is it worth getting a vga monitor? Is 480i that bad?
I get alot of it is down to preference.

>>6945067
Not really. 240p/480i is fine, since most older content is meant for that.
VGA monitors are just nice since they are easy to hook up to a PC, have a super nice picture and can do many more modes than just 240p and 480i. But for most of old content, they are "too good", TVs are much better at showing low resolution content on a big surface while still looking amazing.

>>6945067
I think it's worth it if you have the space. 480i doesn't look that bad, but Dreamcast, Xbox, and Gamecube look really nice at 480p. I'd say if you only plan to use a Ps2 it's not worth it since the vast majority of the library caps out at 480i. Obviously the same applys to Gen5 and older due to incompatibility.

>>6945075
>I'd say if you only plan to use a Ps2 it's not worth it since the vast majority of the library caps out at 480i.
Almost all games can be forced to run at 480p on a vanilla console by holding a button on the controller at the games startup... For the game there's no difference between 480p and 480i, just exists because TVs used it.

>Dude has been sitting on boxes of CRTs for years
>Wants to sell them as a lot
>Refuses to sell them one at a time
>SITTING ON THEM FOR YEARS
Used these go for 150 dollars on ebay and here they are unused

Monitors in question
https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-m782/
https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-e773s-crt-monitor-17-series/

>>6945261
Lol this is fucking hilarious. I wonder what his logic is. Maybe with freight he can’t really make any money on it? Odds are they’re shit CRTs anyways

>>6945282
He even says you can call ahead of time to drive up and look at them (to check for damage and stuff) but you can't just pay him 50 dollars to grab one off the floor and take it home. He lives like 40 miles away from where I live and I'm getting frustrated. He also has a bunch of Pentium 4 systems but I can't see what kind from the images he posted.

Anyone here used WinDAS?

>>6945261
>Used these go for 150 dollars
>Native Resolution: 1024 x 768 at 85 Hz
No they don't.

>>6945282
>Odds are they’re shit CRTs anyways
They are. Bottom of the barrel office shit, the equivalent of a 23" 1080p TV LCD today. I wouldn't pay more than $50 for one even if it was new.

>>6945430
>1600 x 1200 at 65 Hz
There are two links anon

>>6945547
that's still pretty shit. still not so hard to find a 19" 1600x1200 @85hz. Hell, I'm watching a 21" crt with those specs go unsold for a month on my local sight, just because its a boomer tier listing and nobody seems to be smart enough to figure out what it is

>>6928076
I have my 36” wega on an old tv stand and it hasn’t collapsed yet

Looking for any recommendations for external speakers, what kind do you guys use?

haven't posted here in 5 years lol

>>6945901
I just use a headphone amp and Fostex T50RPs. Pretty nice if you're using a CRT with a loud fan.

>>6941551
This guy has never used one. I have one. Yes it's Composite and RF only unless you want to Mod it. The Sound though, is FANTASTIC. I have no idea how it does it, but the SNES sounds better on that television than most quality Stereo receivers. The Display is fantastic, it works great as a composite monitor for older computers. It truly is a shame it doesn't have S-Video inputs. I don't know WTF they were thinking.

>>6945547
>>1600 x 1200 at 65 Hz
Yeah, again no. Literally picked up a Sony Trinitron last week that does better, for free (gave them 10 euros though for saving it for me) from a random ad. This happens all the time. They never have the value the seller wants.
Just because it's listed doesn't mean it sells.

>>6945942
>I have no idea how it does it, but the SNES sounds better on that television than most quality Stereo receivers.
There's that sweet spot of amp/DAC where it's not that good but gives good results, just because the distortion works like dithering to the sound. Plus speakers play a big role.

>>6942562
No help with this? My poor 21inch Trinitron that had a mini stroke? Are there components that could be repaired or should I just calibrate the screen to cope with the changes?

>>6945926
monitor?

>>6941719
Just pick up free ones from freecycle and other websites and check it out once you get home.
>>6941745
I consider this unhealthy hoarding unless you use them, though.
>>6941890
Got a guide. I'm becoming an electrician, so I can get free shit from work.
>>6943054
Second this. Wii is fine with MC Player, but PS3 handles more codecs and there's a youtube app for it. I got both modded.
>>6943209
It's also more cozy, for some reason.

>>6946526
>I consider this unhealthy hoarding unless you use them, though.
Buy, fix up, sell, keep better (or specific) ones to myself. Picture is temporary cache from years ago.

>>6944985
You are retarded.

I take it a loud hum through the headphone port of a crt is capacitors going?

>>6946537
That's fair game then.

>>6946526
How do you get the youtube app on ps3 to play in 4:3, for me it just acts as if everything is 16:9.

>>6925636
someone know of a vga to component converter thats good?

>>6946679
Same here, but so does Prime Video. Only ones that seem to support proper 4:3 are Hulu and Netflix.

>>6946695
What's your plan? You can run VGA at 15kHz on AMD GPUs. Might give better results and be cheaper.

>>6946718
i have a asus hd5450 and im looking to get 240p emulation on my sony trinitron which has a max resolution of 480i i just need a way of hooking the pc to the tv.

>>6946812
Do you have SCART or RGB (not YPbPr) inputs? Then look into CRT Emudriver or soft15khz and get a VGA to SCART cable.
A simple component converter should work too.

>>6946857
>Do you have SCART or RGB (not YPbPr) inputs?
Unfortunately no its a consumer grade crt with just ypbpr and audio inputs. there are alot of component converters on amazon and they all look like shit. i guess my question is What is a good manufacturer of these converters?

>>6925989
>>6925996
>>6927162
>>6927205
Lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLkN2AZLBMA
This kills the PVMeme

>>6947164
Good luck getting one that’s bigger than 20”

>>6946591
Either that or poor shielding. In a tight space like that you're 100% going to get RF interference into the headphone output.

>>6947312
Good luck getting a PVM bigger than 20".

Why are people still buying custom-made scart cables when they're using a display that doesn't accept scart? Why not go directly to BNC if you're using a PVM?

>>6948048
Multiple transcoders and scalers take SCART for RGB and not other connectors.

>>6948048
I did the math and for my setup SCART was slightly cheaper overall, even with the really high-end cables from Retro Access. Might be different if you're building your own cables, but I'm not too interested in doing that.

>>6948048
Mostly because there's already a lot of popular SCART switches out there and everyone in PAL regions already have access to sets with native Scart inputs. Why make cables specifically only for PVM/BVM when there's a whole market that has native Scart input? Retrogamingcables being based out of the UK and being one of the two bigger outlets for RGB cables holds the majority of the PAL market which encourages it. You could use a Component switch with RCA adapter's but there aren't many Good ones out there outside of say the Gcomp.

>>6946679
>>6946717
The uploaded video needs to be set to 4:3. Sometimes the picture is, but the uploader didn't set it properly, so you get 16:9 black bars.
The menu is always 16:9 though.

>>6935451
youtube compression kills everything, nice try though faggot

>>6944754
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1009#p1009

https://www.aussiearcade.com/forum/arcade/m-a-m-e-emulation-projects-and-discussion/89704-a-guide-to-connecting-your-windows-pc-to-an-sd-crt-tv-pvm-or-arcade-monitor

>>6946932
Go with RGBS to YPbPr, not VGA to YPbPr. Then use a real VGA card with software 15kHz driver.

Just got a sony GDM-F520 for free. Any tips?

>>6948672
wow, where did you get it? f520 is a really nice monitor.

>>6948672
>GDM-F520
Wow nice, and free too.
Learn to use WinDAS.

>>6948687
>WinDAS
I was just in WinDAS kek

>>6948680
I got it from a guy who was making space in a warehouse here in Portugal. It has some scraches on the anti anti glare film but only 1200 hours of use.
>>6948687
What exactly is WinDAS?

>>6948750
>What exactly is WinDAS?
The pots of the old, in digital form. There's no analog adjustments in those Trinitrons anymore, everything is in software, that's how you adjust everything that's not in the OSD.

>>6948769
Nice, does it work with windows10? Also,
what is the best converter from usb-c or hdmi to vga?

>>6948791
It does. Ask here if you ever need the pre-patched program. You also need a cheap USB to TTL serial adapter, again, if you need additional info, ask, I know which ones work.

USB-C is DP, so a USB-C to DP adapter (just a passive cable or adapter) and then a Rankie DP to VGA one, Rankie ones have good shielding and are confirmed to do 240p and 120Hz+ and cost less than 10 bucks. You could test random USB-C to VGA adapters too, the chips are usually the same, might get lucky.

>>6948801
I will follow your advice with the USB-C to DP, DP to VGA. And I very interested in the info abou the pre-patched program and the USB to TTL. Thanks Anon

>>6948801
I will follow your advice with the USB-C to DP, DP to VGA. And I'm very interested in any info about the pre-patched program and the USB to TTL. Thanks Anon

>>6948827
Here's WinDAS: https://files.catbox.moe/kehmb4.zip
USB to TLL adapters using PL2303 and CH340G are confirmed to work, like pic related. Might as well order one that comes with the jumper wires.
You can find where your DAS port is in the service manual or general DAS manual from Sony. Should be easy to spot anyways when you open it up, it's usually 4 pins. Some very rare models use I2C instead, but I don't think yours is one, check before ordering though.

>>6948838
Once again, thanks Anon

>>6948879
No problem. Good luck!

Here's some extra info on the topic:
http://www.piclist.com/images/com/geocities/www/gregua/windas/index.htm
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=504
https://oldcomputer.info/hacks/monitor_su/index.htm

>>6927320
k

left or right?

>>6949037
left

>>6949037
Is it Svideo/RGB comparison? Right clearly looks better and much sharper even on preview.

>>6949037
Right, but I have no problem with people who prefer left

>>6949078
They're both PC monitors taking RGBHV, actually.

>>6949114
1600x1200 vs 480p on a high-end pc monitor? I don't know how close you are from the screen

>>6949037
Low-end vs high-end crt monitors at 480p?

>>6949114
I thought it might also be a different type of screen or maybe different size.
Dot pitch density is different.

>>6949037
Anon, that's dangerous... 480p scanlines will become the next big thing in /vr/

>>6949183
>>6949184
>>6949205
answer the question and I'll tell you what the monitors are. can't have ya'll picking based on anything other than what it actually looks like.

>>6949205
Native 240p vs 480p with fake scanlines is hard to differentiate anyways.

>>6949227
We know left is less-good signal and/or tube. That's what the content was made for and it's obvious.

>>6949230
It's not fake. High-end crt monitors generate scanlines at 480p.

Is anyone here good with diagnosing and calibrating CRT Monitors? I got a 21 inch Trinitron that appeared to have a mini stroke one day. The screen shifted counter clockwise and the color in the upper right of the display became washed out. Like Sun Bleached. I can stopped getting worse and I can calibrate it from the OSD menu, but should I open this up and look for something that broke?

>>6949270
Post a pic so we can actually see what you're talking about, also a model number might help.

>>6949037
right

>>6949245
I was specifically talking about fake 480p scanlines.

>>6949278
Alright. The monitor is at home and I'm at work right now so I don't have access to it this second. I do it's a Dell branded Trinitron and I don't think this one has the BNC connectors in the back. I have another one at my Parents house I think that's the one with the BNC connectors. Once I get home I'll find this thread and take some pictures. Thanks for your reply.

>>6949313
I have yet to see fake 480p scanlines (and by that I mean 480p content, like dreamcast, with fake scanlines.

>>6949346
Comparison pictures have been posted here for years. I'm talking about 240p vs 480p with fake scanlines looking like real 240p.

>>6949354
Got it. I meant scanlines in 480p content caused by crt monitors with 2048 x 1536 resolutions just like high TVL crt tvs cause 240p scanlines.

>>6949381
Ah yeah, I get what you mean but meant something else.

>>6949231
I've already picked right. >>6949078 >>6949184

>>6949270
Sounds like magnetism problem.

>>6949037
I pick left. Is it tri-dot vs aperture grille?

>>6949591
The pixel pitch is clearly different. Right's dots are much smaller.

>>6949591
Nah, if you zoom in you can clearly see both are tridot. One is a Viewsonic P810, 21" 0.25mm. The other is a Magnavox CM2099, 13" 0.28mm. It's an apples to oranges comparison but still shows off how different monitors can really look.

>>6949634
Don't call them pixels. They're not and do not line up with pixels in any respect. Some noob might see and think the dots actually do represent pixels...

>>6949659
In a digital world, getting the closest 1:1 ratio between framebuffer pixels and the physical dot X/Y count of a grille or mask gives best results. That's what "native resolution" means on CRTs.
They are technically what corresponds to a picture element, the smallest RGB element of the display. Autists just don't call them pixels because that's silly.

>>6949659
Nice, reminds me of this

Toasting some CRT pr0n

>>6949873
nice monitor

>>6950096
Thanks, I have a sweet spot for that chassis.

>>6950104
Yeah they look really cool. Never seen one pop up locally but I'd totally jump on it if I did.

Do lightguns from the NES work on flat screens?
I have a Panasonic crt but is flat, the lightgun does registered in the wrong spot

>>6943151
>scan line filters

>>6927483
>I feel bad for flatscreen CRT owners.
Why?

>>6927859
I don't think CRTs have the same compatability issue with different OSSC modes as TVs do. They'll basically take anything within spec that you throw at them

>>6950816
Sorry, I meant he'd need to de-interlace the menus of the PS2. GSM only works on the games themselves. So you either need to use a scaler/deinterlacer like the GBS or OSSC for the menus, or have a 15khz display alongside the PC CRT and switch between them. You can do GSM blindly if you memorise the buttons but that's a bit silly if you ask me.

>>6950874
You can set OPL to display in 480p/1080i, so once you're in that you don't need to navigate blindly. You can even autoboot to OPL if you want. Having an OSSC simplifies things a lot, though.

>>6950897
Really? I never knew that. I'll have to look into that, thanks for bringing it up.

>>6950814
Great, now post a video of the scroll test.

What kind of phosphor mask do 480p sets typically have?

>>6950986
Typically they'll be aperture grille, tridot, or slot mask.

>>6950986
Its the same as SD sets. If its Sony it will be an aperature grill.

>>6950814
Its not impossible to get great geometry on a flat crt. It's just much harder to find.

So this...is the power of Genesis RGB...

So this...is the power of Genesis RGB...

>>6949037
left

Is there a way to fix that bar in the left?
it is a blue bar that shows nothing as the screen scrolls

>>6949037
Left for people who use the right tool for the job.
Right for zoomer redditors who think CRT implies visible scanlines.

>>6951197
That's normal for SMB3.

>>6951197
the nes does that, adjust your overscan on the tv itself to eliminate it

>>6951239
>>6951212
>>6951197
https://youtu.be/wfrNnwJrujw

>>6951197
shouldn't have underscanned your tv like all the pvmemers do.

Gift from a fren

>>6950986
Depends, if it's a Trinitron it's going to have an Aperature grill, but something like the NEC XM29 is going to have a Shadowmask. 90% of tubes outside of Trinitrons will have a Shadowmask, with very few having a Slot Mask.

>>6951486
It was given to me by a friend of my dad, havent changed any settings other than brightness, contrast or color
It is a nice tv and it was free, they even brought it to my home

>>6950790
>>scan line filters
Next time read the post maybe?
>Video related is 2560x240@120Hz though in RetroArch.

>>6952262
Pretty sure they meant the line about:
>Plus, even scan line filters can still be useful on CRTs, if you can't or don't want to do 240p for example and use 480p instead.
...and not the picture in hand.

Still, dumb to bitch about filters if it's someone's choice.

>>6951664
That's cute my man!

>>6951732
Well if you've got the remote then look up how to get into the service menu and adjust the horizontal/vertical size of the raster so you don't see the overscan region as much.

>>6952287
scanline filters are nice if you've got a monitor that has stupidly thick scanlines in 240p@120hz. You can run a much higher integer res like 1440p and then run a filter which can be adjusted to your liking. Plus you don't have to deal with blackframe insertion weirdness either.

>>6951197
>crt
>tv
>underscan
Fell for every meme in the book didn't you? Head into the service menu and set it so the image fits just on screen, then overscan it on all sides one notch past that.

>>6952350
In theory alternating BFI on a 120hz CRT should be visually identical to 60hz. But most PCs can't sync perfectly so it makes it look real choppy.

CRTs confirmed to cause cancer, read more in this thread: >>>/g/78030173

>>6952697
That's not underscan you ignorant child.

>>6952704
in practice it makes the screen a bit darker, and you're already losing a bit of luminance since you're scanning less than half the phoshpors.

Why is repairing CRTs so dangerous?

>>6952729
only early shit from the 70s

>>6952882
Big caps

>>6952975
elaborate

>>6953116
BIG CAPACITOR HOLD BIG CHARGE, BIG CHARGE GO TO YOU.

>>6953134
understandable
have a nice day friend

what happens if you output an image from retroarch with a crt filter applied to a real crt?

>>6953152
It's being shown like it would on a panel.
Depends also, some people use CRTs at 480p with scanline filter applied to make it look like 240p. Etc. Also some filters could flicker on interlanced modes, etc.

>>6953152
You get a filtered image. Depending on the monitor, resolution, and filter, it can look good or not. A lot of people will just do 480p with a scanline filter but I think it's better to do the highest resolution you can that's a multiple of 240p. So usually 960p, 1200p, or 1440p. 480p is fine if you're just doing a simple black line filter but if you want something that's more complex like crt-royale then you really ought to use a higher resolution. Just keep in mind the horizontal resolution of the game/console as well, not just vertical.

>>6953338
What's the point of integer scaling it beforehand? Like running 1440p on a CRT with a 240p scanline filter.
You'll just lose out on CRT dithering, the amount of original data to display is the same, just gonna look more like a panel with a filter than an actual CRT, plus you'll be running at a lower refresh rate.

>>6952882
it isn't if you aren't a dum dum

My crt tv start getting blue/white spark things on screen after a while of usage. I'm afraid it's arcing and I have to replace the flyback
Do you know anything about such symptoms?

>>6953374
Because you're dealing with pixel art and if you don't do a correct integer scale you end up with scaling artifacts like in this picture. Note the difference in the amount of lines that make up height and weight. Also, dithering isn't a thing in this situation. Pic related is 240p, where's the dithering? Refresh rate is also irrelevant here since these games were meant to run at 60hz.

>>6953435
>Pic related is 240p, where's the dithering?
The fact that you're dealing with analog information, putting a few digital pixels through several holes in a grid to light up several phosphor elements.
There's always dithering with CRTs, since the mask/grille is not 1:1 the same as pixels are, it's a analog filter and one of the big things that makes CRTs for great for this content. The higher the original resolution though, the more precise the rendered picture.

>you end up with scaling artifacts
Those artifacts are on the horizontal axis. Try using 1920 or 2560 as the horizontal resolution.

>Refresh rate is also irrelevant here since these games were meant to run at 60hz.
Flickering and headache, eyes getting tired. The higher the refresh rate, the better. That's why running 240p at 120Hz or 240Hz is so great, even on VGA CRTs where you otherwise have no reason to do so.

Your solution isn't bad but you're overcomplicating and making sacrifices for no benefit.

>>6953471
>There's always dithering with CRTs

The pitch and focus on a monitor like this are fine enough that with the resolutions we're talking about there isn't any real dithering effect until you start pushing up against the resolvable limit, which does become a thing at 1440p but it's not that big of a deal. At lower resolutions you can actually see the beam drawing the individual pixels, it's pretty neat.

>Those artifacts are on the horizontal axis

I mentioned that at the end of the post with the metroid pic. The final fight pic is just an example of why you need to do it on both horizontal and vertical.

>Flickering and headache

Can't really respond to this personally cause 60hz doesn't bother me in the slightest. You can still run at a higher refresh rate if you want and the monitor has the headroom for it, but at high resolutions that's not likely as you do need to double the refresh rate each time of course.

By the way I know it's not obvious but that metroid pic isn't an SD TV, it's a high res VGA monitor running a composite filter in 1920x1440. That same filter in 480p doesn't look nearly as good. That's the point of what I was saying, you need a higher resolution to make more complicated filters look good. That's the benefit, I get to run retroarch with runahead on a monitor that has perfect geometry and still have it look like a shitty old TV. I know it's weird but I like it!

>>6953565
Yeah I get what you mean. I didn't pay attention to the filters part. Makes perfect sense then.
Godspeed to you my man, nobody can judge you for doing something you enjoy and I can see the appeal myself.

>>6925636
IBM E74 at 640x480 120hz progressive, the seller also had an NEC FE991SB but that was in really poor shape with 3 lines at the top and scratched to hell glass.

>>6953661
>IBM E74
These things were absolute shit. My high school had hundreds of them and they were bottom of the barrel crap.

>>6953671
Still better than my typical 1280x1024 75hz syncmaster i use motion clarity wise.

>>6925989
Can't understand you ESL

>>6953686
Everyone else have understood that just fine. Maybe you should get help.

There's a retard on /g/ that claims CRTs are capable of burn in.

>>6954137
Because they are.

>>6954137
Why do you think screensavers were invented?

>>6954137
That thread is full of misinformation and retards, but that anon is right. It takes a long ass time but you can burn in a CRT. Incredibly unlikely to ever happen on a TV and it's still unlikely but possible on a PC monitor with regular use. It's only really an issue with terminals, arcade monitors, and projection tubes.

So if I needed to offload a large CRT with a capacitor problem(problem with color output) where would be the most efficient place to do this without getting it trashed? I want to get rid of it to the point of giving it away for free but I don't want to see it destroyed because I know there is probably someone out there who would like to take advantage of it and it's probably a simple fix. I've been trying to offload it on Craigslist but no luck so far so is there like a dump or something that's good for people to find stuff like this?

>>6954443
post it on Facebook market. If you decide to trash it though, steal the convergence strips.

got a 28" trinitron that's too big, i'm looking to down size by a decent amount
what size you rec and what make/model
not crazy into crts but i like the look and feel as well as lightgun games

>>6954485
>steal the convergence strips
What are those?

>>6954491
Speaking of lightgun games, do lightguns work fine on flatscreen CRTs?

>>6954504
depends on the make and model
i'd like one
but idk like to have lightgun compatibility as well

need to be able to play my gumshoe and hotd2

>>6954515
A Sony Wega Triniton.

>>6925636

>>6954504
>>6954515
>>6954687
As long as it's a standard definition screen it works fine. 100hz sets will have some trouble due to the frame interpolation but aside from that all SD sets work, flat or curved. I've owned like 4 different wegas and they all worked fine with lightguns.

>>6925714
Fuck me that's hot. I would pay good money for one of those. Do you have the model number on it?

>>6954501
Little plastic strips with a bit of permalloy or similar on the end, stuck under the yoke from the big end, in order to correct dynamic (corner) convergence. You'll need to take the case off, but they're good to hang onto.

>>6954137
Of course they can.

>>6954313
>That thread is full of misinformation
Examples?

Anyone know of a good frame sync for analog signals that does progressive at 60?
I wanna downscale 480i to 240p, so I can get rid of the delay in resolution switching, but mine only does 60hz at 480i and 30hz at genlocked 240p.

I just forgotten how beatiful it is

>>6955879
>samsung
gr8 b8 m8

>>6942312
I took one of these cheap ass cables and sync stripper chip and built a RGB cable for my genesis. works great and cost like 12 bucks.

Moved recently and had to leave all my old tubes. Been picking up some (decent enough) Trinnys locally.
Cleaning and calibration in progress.

>>6946028
its been a long time since it was in my position, it was a standard consumer grade euro trinitron, i think the model name ended in M3L

>>6955339
Is there a picture of what you're talking about?

Remind me what the deal is with these studio displays is. They need an old mac os with software to adjust the screen, but they still work through standard vga, right?

>>6956748
Those are just rebrand Trinitrons. Older ones that use the Macintosh Connector usually could only do specific modes.

2560x240 vs 1280x240?
Is there any downside to using 2560? Would it kill the horizontal circuitry quicker?

>>6956756
They're diamondtrons lad
>>6956748
Only the later adc ones need adjusting with macos9, the vga ones have an inbuilt OSD.

>>6956757
or 1920x240?

>>6956757
I would like to know this as well, I always wondered if it had any downsides in terms of longevity.

>>6956845
some of them are trinitrons, such as the one in that picture. they're certainly not rebrands though, they just use diamondtron or trinitron tubes.

https://archive.org/details/manual-apple-service-studio-display-21/page/n3/mode/2up

is it safe to plug a dreamcast to a pvm 2030 via scart rgb? I got the cable last week but I've been reading/watching stuff and now I'm afraid the monitor is going to explode.
Should I buy the cable with the 15/31khz switch just to be safe? or is the fat youtube guy just trying to sell me something I don't need?

>>6957226
scart cables generally are wired for 480p since there's nothing that really does 480p scart. plus even if it were sending 480p it's not going to explode the monitor, it wont even harm it if you do it for a little bit. the image will just be doubled or scrambled.

>>6957259
generally aren't wired*

derp.

post cuties
>>6957226
iirc dreamcast can only do 480p through rgbhv, and scart is only wired rgbs so without a cable with a sync combiner (thus the switch) then the cable isn't wired for 480p because scart simply doesnt have the right pins for it

funny monitor listed as "VGA 1450V leading technology monitor". Leading Technology seems to be a brand of computers made by V-Tech in the 90's. No documentation I can find really. Don't even need any more monitors, just like looking at listings to find more funky ones

>>6925636
Yo!

i have an LG flatron CRT, a samsung LCD tv and a Dell Optiplex DT790 with a Nvidia GT1030 (2 outputs, DVI-D and HDMI)

I want to try a Dual screen approach like this video right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dDAT4fsTXY

as it shows, the CRT is set to 240p. for retro console emulation. unlike the video tho, i dont have a Radeon card, but still, theres this method i found using an HDMI to component transcoder:

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/awqolc/get_high_quality_240p_from_your_pc_to_your_tv/

i want to know if theres people here who have tried that, and if theres anything i should take into account for this.

>>6957460
cool method, sounds like it would work but you've got to be smart enough to implement it. do you know how to work xrandr and what transcoder do you plan on getting?

>>6957512
My PC is a windows one, so i would be using CRU instead.

as for the Transcoder, this would be the one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F6URXYY/ref=pe_385040_30332230_pe_334110_28247860_dp_1

>>6957531
I don't think that transcoder can put out 480i over component, or at least it's not listed in the specs.

>>6957297
it looks like it was paired with a pc partner 6000sx 386sx pc. the monitor itself is likely just 31khz and was probably made by, or the tube is, by samsung or daewoo. $25 isn't bad for a neat undocumented monitor, I say go for it.

>>6957641
i see... alternatively i was thinking about using a dual transcoder setup (HDMI to VGA and then VGA to component), but considering the cheap price, i do imagine that kind of setup or wouldnt work or would make the TV to explode in my face.

>>6956757
anyone?

>>6956757
>>6958105
For what it's worth I have an Fw900 and Uncle Vito over on hard forum always warns people about running the pixel clock at high Mhz since it works the flyback more and could eventually lead to its failure.
I'm talking like past 340Mhz since that's what the flyback is rated for.

I can do 2560x1600/60hz at 340Mhz, but I usually stay at 1920x1200/96hz since it's only a 322Mhz Pixel Clock. I know there's some niggas doing 2560x1600 70hz, but that's 400+ Mhz iirc.
Uncle Vito basically described it to me like running a Lambo at 200mph, sure you can do it, but you'll destroy the engine if you try to sustain it for a long period of time.
I just take his word for it since he regularly services monitors and the nigga owns 8 FW900s.

>>6958393
2560x240 is neither a high pixel clock or horizontal frequency

Is there a WinDAS with more than 225 models? What do you do when you have a monitor with a DAS header but it's not in the model list? I can make a backup of the settings but I get ECS errors while transfering and afterwards the file is full of =err= instead of values.
How would one adjust the G2 value on a monitor like that when it has no pot and no model in WinDAS?

Any tips or ideas welcome.

>>6958393
CRTs only really care about vertical lines count. They scan in lines and "pixels" per line only represents how many times the DAC output voltage changes between VSync pulses while the CRT has physically unlimited horizontal resolution because it has no concept of pixels per line.

>>6959320
>VSync
I meant HSync here.

>>6958915
Have you checked the service manual and see if there's any answers?

>>6959320
So if you 'pixel doubled' the line information, does the dac pulse voltages twice or is it always continuous voltage?

>>6959481
Well, if you could find me a manual for "CPD-203FT" or any of it's rebrands, I'm gonna suck your dick the whole day. Didn't have any such luck myself, seems impossible.

>>6959525
I think the "FT" represents the region of the model; I don't know which region FT is and it might be obscure. Try looking up the chassis' or other components' model number to find equivalent monitors of other regions

>>6960569
Here. I haven't had any luck myself with any of it. If you want to give it a shot.
Chassis resembles visually a lot a D1H, but none of the D1H models work in WinDAS for it.

applied math for work, theoretical math for leisure.

vcrs okay in here? Im having an issue with a vcr I have. I get a lot of bleeding with smaller text. the vcr menus and osd looks fine, larger text look fine. I tried the 240p test suite and everything looks good there, so I don't think it's the TV. My vcr might be going. Does anyone have a head cleaner they'd recommend. The ones on Amazon hace really bad reviews with some claiming their decks were ruined by the cleaners.
Thanks.

>>6948538
wait is there a cable that connects to vga then to scart? how do i hook up the gpu to scart?

>>6961105
Try >>>/g/ or >>>/diy/

>>6961161
There are cables that convert RGB/HV (VGA) to RGB/S (SCART or BNC).
If your GPU has VGA, use that VGA port for it. If not, get a old AMD GPU for that purpose. Some DP to VGA adapters also work for 15kHz.

You’re mom

>>6961274
I am mom, thank you for noticing.

>>6961351
Where is that from?

>>6960601
It's like a Sony CRT from a parallel universe

>>6961404
the map dm-agony in UT99

>>6961480
I KNEW it looked familiar. Thanks for bringing back memories.

>>6961486
yeah it's one of my favourite dm maps. not too big, not too small, and it has good verticality despite being a two tier map.

>>6959492
It'll send the same voltage for two clock ticks. There's no pulsing in a scanline, it's just a continuous waveform the entire time.

>>6961557
Then I guess my question is what is the limit of the clock speed, in theory?

>>6961601
the ability of the flyback to keep up and the yoke being able to scan fast enough.