/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6944450
Goldeneye and then Halo. Easy online play for normies like Xbox Live had a huge part as well.

>>6944450
1993 when Doom came out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXb0VxQ8Ltg

THE MOMENT JOHN ROMERO BOUGHT HIS FIRST LAMBO...

>>6944454

Doom was, but I feel like it was still kind of obscure compared to SNES/Genesis, I could be wrong though, wasn't there.

>>6944453
this, even though i love both those game it's true
after that call of duty modern warfare is what really sealed the deal

>>6944460
it was anything but obscure. there's a whole movie named Doom Generation (shit movie but that's besides the point).

>>6944460
i wasn't there either but i thought it was such a phenomenon that it actually had a notable effect on productivity on workstations and had congressmen whining about it

>>6944460
>I could be wrong though
You are. Doom was the most installed piece of software on PCs in 1995.

>doom was obscure

>>6944460
>>6944463
>>6944467
Depended on your age group and if your house had a computer or not really. For me being around 8 or 9 when DOOM first came out, I knew about it, kids would talk about it or you'd see it in magazines but not owning a computer or knowing anyone else who did (or who gamed on it) in my age group meant I never really saw it like I saw NES or SNES or Genesis at every kids house. I had an older cousin who did game on PC and that was the first place I ever saw it or got to play it. It almost felt like this older kid/grown up bad ass thing that I wasn't supposed to be playing even though no one ever told me I couldn't and that made it feel cooler. But for someone in his age group (late teens-early adults) were all playing it, hell he was already posting on Usenet about it regularly and downloading wads. The first custom Doom shit I ever saw was at his house in probably 1994 or so (Ace Ventura voice clips)

>>6944450
When Counter Strike became popular because gangster culture. A common fact is that people wanted to be Terrorists way more than Counters, specially on third world countries.

>>6944486
Almost as retarded than when dumbass zoomers claim no one played PC games until Doom came out.

When Doom came out

>>6944454
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>>6944450
Doom didnt was bought to the mainstream until Columbine. Then normies became curious about FPS and the genre blow up with games like Half-Life and Postal 2.

>>6944802
Yes but who doesn't want to be terrorists

Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament

Halo was the catlyst when it came to shooters becoming more bro-core then they use to be. Then Call of Duty 4 happened and the rest is history.

>>6944470
>>6944460
Doom was installed on more computers than Windows 95

here in my country regular schools offered paid computer classes for non-students although students could also enroll on it. shit was very basic like how to move the mouse around, how to fuck around with paintbrush, how to create folders in dos and shit like that
but guess what really happened
it was pretty much a proto lanhouse and everybody was playing the
>game of the little hand
the teachers couldn't care less either way they were getting paid

>>6944454
This. Realistically what might have pushed you into the normie/weirdo spectrum would be owning and using a computer at all in 1993. It wasn't playing Doom which was totally mainstream. Of course the games industry was a fraction back then what they are today.

FPS are such natural games, I don't think there's anyone who could truly dislike them.

>>6944454
This. Realistically what might have pushed you into the nerd/weirdo side would be owning and using a computer at all in 1993. It wasn't playing Doom, which was totally mainstream. Of course the games industry was a fraction back then what they are today.

FPS are such natural games, I don't think there's anyone who could truly dislike them. Anyone can look at an FPS and straightaway have an idea of the gameplay - I mean not all the deep strategy it can get to, but just how you're trying to shoot those guys.

Doom was not a normie game because computers was still a geek machine at the time

CoD 4 is the true answer. Halo made shooters popular on consoles, but they were still fir children and nerds. Normies didn't get into gaming until the Wii got everyone and their grandma with the motion controls.

>>6944460
Only in the sense that personal computers were still a fairly high-end thing until the later half of the 90s when the internet started becoming more widespread to justify more houses buying them.

>>6944450

Doom might have been the most popular, but it wasn't until Unreal when that whole shitty online deathmatch shit took off. with the media labeling the best players as heroes around 1999/2000.
of course I never paid much attention to that, but I do recall there being a lot of early e-sports talk around the Unreal/Quake 3 time.
which imo is when it became cool for non fps players to get into that whole xbox thing, which gave birth to the HALO baby generation. which is when it truly became normie tier.

When DOOM came out it was still being played by actual gamers who had previously build their own computers, yeah they might have had their cousins/nephews play a bit of doom. but in the end it was the unreal/counterstrike/quake3 era that truly made the genre into a normie thing.

>>6945184
This 100% but nobody will agree with you because they want to blame green armor man or orange armor man instead. CoD4 opened the floodgates.

>>6945116
>Win 3.1
fixed

>>6944450
When every studios started to pander to 12yo shitheads with shitty corridor/military FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

ITT: zoomers and brodudes shitting on classic fps from the 90s that don't even understand the premise of the thread.

>>6944450

>>6944450
>at what point
that exact moment in time was medal of honor/call of duty, both awful games

>>6945452
The first medal of honor was supposed to give goldeneye, which was all the rage back then, a run for it's money.
The real reason the genre turned into a true shitstorm is >>6945425
Also the western market started adapting more and more to western audience, which likes to blow things up and walk in a straight line from start to finish, while also having a checkpoint every three steps forward too

>>6945184
Probably the right answer ITT. Doom, Quake, CS, Halo and Goldeneye all made the genre more and more popular but COD had the Big Bang Theory effect in FPS and gaming in general.

>>6944450
The first Call of Duty made things mainstream. Not really sure why. Half-life sold tons, sure, but it's not something I ever spoke about with my (extremely normie) friends. Tomb Raider, Half Life and Medal of Honor were all great games and all but nobody I knew actually played them. Counter-strike started to become a normie thing around the same time as Call of Duty came out I suppose, and after that things were basically mainstream.
What I might ask, fellow vrposters, is what defines "mainstream"? Is it something that basically is released every year and maintains a "brand"? Because that's how I define it - basically not even a game any more and just a brand. Like when you say a FIFA game you know exactly what you get. Half life has never really had that because the lazy fucking bums didn't want to release a game every year the way EA did, and is now dead.

They were always relatively popular, but I'd say sometime around 99-01 is where it really kicked off, with online becoming more accessible, and the release of the ecksbawks, which brought in people who would've never been interested otherwise

>>6945379
there is barely anything amazing about being installed on more computers than windows 3.1

Half of the people didn't give a fuck about it and sticked to DOS. For most things 3.1 was just a DOS frontend, unlike 95

Anyway - I did mean 95

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(1993_video_game)#:~:text=In%20late%201995%2C%20Doom%20was,Microsoft's%20million%2Ddollar%20advertising%20campaigns.

>>6945486
Doom, Goldeneye and Quake were for nerds, CS was for video games guys, Halo on the other hand was straight up for normalfags. It's the only reason Xbox sold at all.

>>6945513
>Goldeneye
>not for normalfags

>>6945501
At least the first cod game was hard as nails, I remember almost crying when I beat it.
The original xbox was the niggerest of them all, people bought it to play sports games and shooters and that was it

>>6945529
n64 was for nerds

>>6945550

>>6944454
>>6944460
>>6945148
Chandler was the nerd weird guy. Ask >>>/tv/

>>6945184

Translation : this stuff became normie tier when I the poster turned a certain age.
around COD4 shit had been normie tier for ages, and you claim the wii started it? well I say the PS1 started it.

Doom was already pretty mainstream. Everyone played Doom. It was the game that people who might otherwise not really play games would have installed on their office computer.

>>6945392
>something being mainstream means it's bad
Stop seething, idiot.

>>6945553
It definitely was, if you were older than like 7.

>>6945571
mhm, is James Bond for nerds too?

>>6945557
PS1 definitely brought in a huge influx of normalfags. That was the first time since maybe the 70's that it was really "cool" to be an adult and own a video game console. Sony's marketing went for that angle on purpose.

>>6945581
Owning an N64 at all made you a bit of a nerd, so yes. Cool people played the cool James Bond games on the Playstation. This is how normalfags think.

>>6945596
Say anon, have you ever heard of this peak normalfag thing called having children? You see, one can buy an N64 for his kids and then play the new normalfag friendly Goldeneye game on it.

>>6945610
Playing with your children's toys is also pretty lame.

>>6945610
normalfags usually don't play video games past their 20's, specially not in the 90's

>>6944454
That's correct. It's just that video games in general were not normie stuff until the PSX.

>>6944454
One and done. FPS, racing, and sports were always the normalfag genres when I was growing up. Granted, understand what opie means in that a proportionally larger segment of the consumers were untouchable nerds back then, but that was true of all genres. And I'm not saying this to shit on FPS or racing games as I love both genres, it's just an observation.

>>6944450
counter strike was the first "normie" fps

>>6944453
Halo CE became big because it had local co-op. It was only Halo 2 that had xbox live.

>>6944470
>>6945116
The entire FPS genre was called "doom clones" up until Quake came out.

>>6944450
If talking about non gamers starting to play shooters I'd say Counter Strike, I remember people with zero interests in games playing 1.6 at the time. Generally speaking PC brought alot of normalfags to the hobby, you had CS, Warcraft 3, all the early MMOs, the first free to play games, the Sims, later the facebook games. Even console big hitters like Halo and CoD are tiny compared to these.

>>6945501
>Tomb Raider, Half Life and Medal of Honor were all great games and all but nobody I knew actually played them.

I think the problem is in you then, because Tomb Raider was fucking gigantic in 97-98 already. Lara was appearing in soda ads and you had models dress up as her, and THEN they made the movie, which was a record breaker at the time.

>>6944460
waaaaaay too underage to be here if you don't remember doom being a hit

One thing that has amazed me since the dawn of streaming is that 90% of avid FPS players have absolutely dogshit aim. I don't get it. They play the stuff nonstop but they have the muscle memory of a dead animal.

>>6944460
Doom was fucking huge when it came out, I was in elementary and every single kid was either playing it or asking to come over to the house's of kids who had PCs.

>>6945184
literally wrong it was halo all the normies played

>>6946638
It's not dogshit if it's better than up to 90% of people. You're one of those shitty scumbags who goes around trying to bring everyone down because you're better than them at one game, well noone cares about you and you will never have friends.

>>6946862
>It's not dogshit if it's better than up to 90% of people

You are illiterate. Go be shit at videogames faggot.

>>6946880
Every evaluation has to be relative to something, what's it relative to? If 90% of avid players are at a level, then the top of that is not dogshit by definition, that's at least "good". I honestly think you're feeble minded. .

>>6945567
Doom was mainstream and it was good, otherwise it would not be a classic.
You misunderstood my post or think CoD4/CS/Halo are good are should kill yourself.

>>6945095
I was gonna day this, but no, it really was halo

imagine being a doomcuck.

>>6946908
see>>6947104

>>6944460
>still kind of obscure

Doom at one point was installed on more computers than Windows

>>6944450
who cares? just get over it

>>6944450
Doom.

Carmack didnt buy a Lambo or whatever just from the money nerds gave him.

Non id fps are normalfag garbage.

>>6946908
>it was good
It was a dumbed down graphics over gameplay garbage for illiterate normies who couldn't get into Ultima Underworld and System Shock.

Xbox 360 release, from that time fps's had to be simplified to work on controllers such as not much looking up because of widescreen and only carrying 2 weapons. I don't mind it, I don't really want to be mouse aim to shoot 1 pixel enemies.

>>6944450
i remember Everyone played MW2

>>6945468
FPS has always has been a western thing. The exception being China loving CrossFire because it's free Counter Strike and runs on everything.

>>6945589
>PS1 definitely brought in a huge influx of normalfags.
But were people actually playing FPS on the PSX? I played Syphon Filter on one of the neighbor kid's console, and found it looked and played like shit. A laughable experience compared to playing Turok on the N64. Goldeneye went past me since lolgermany, but I played Perfect Dark the year after.

Goldeneye and Turok probably being the first series that got modern FPS right on consoles.

>>6948698

Well that's not really what the PSX mention was about, it was about some idiot saying how the Wii opened up the floodgates. while that's not true.
but to some people their special little hobby changed when they themselves reached THAT certain age.

In 10 years we're gonna hear how the PS5 ruined video games because it made it "normie" for everybody.

As for when FPS became normie? I'd say around the Counter-Strike days.
so that would place it around 1999/2000. which gave birth to the xbros/halo era which is where it truly infected the consoles and the genre in particular.

So yeah, the genre has been normie tier longer than most posters here have been alive.

>>6944454
spbp, exactly what I came here to post.

>>6948698
Yeah, actually. Quite a few people played Doom, Quake, or Duke on Playstation for the first time.

>>6946908
Those are all perfectly good games for what they are.
Are we still pretending Halo is the worst thing ever because it's not Quake?

>>6949202
>cod 4
>halo
>perfectly good

Doom and quake were popular, but I'm also gonna say halo.
The console was made and advertised heavily towards westerners, the controller triggers were designed specifically to be, well, gun triggers, and the most prominent genre on the xbox and 360 were of course fps's.
And halo was the granddaddy of them with microsoft pushing it hard.
The xbox and 360 aren't labeled as fps machines for nothing.

>>6949226
Yes. They execute what they set out to do almost perfectly. I don't even like them that much, but them not being your favourite style of FPS doesn't make them bad.

It was discovered that video games were worth a lot of money, and then for no reason at all, they became mainstream

>>6945376
>green armor man or orange armor man
Doom and?

>>6949416
Half-Life I'm guessing.

>>6946646
>I was in elementary and every single kid
That's the thing though. It was huge, but games were still something for kids and nerds only. You didn't see dudebros playing doom (or at least it wasn't socially acceptable to be seen doing it).
Pic related wasn't acceptable until the PSX and not the norm until Halo and CoD.

>>6949485
Dudebros in school were playing it, anon. Yes, in college as well. I don't understand why you people can't accept that Doom was both good and popular with normalfags.

>>6949531
Yeah, of course many were, but you can't deny that it wasn't as "normal" as it is today.

>>6949542
That's true for every genre.

>>6949542
Only because it was mostly still kids and teens. Even then it wasn't that abnormal for people to play a few levels of Doom on the office computer.

>>6949531
your favorite fps sucks