/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6931176
This. Not perfect but it's pretty damn good.

>>6931147
All around?

>>6931532
Too difficult to get working. 8bitdo are just plug and play, much simpler

>>6931547
What's difficult about it? Retroarch has native dinput support

Anybody recommend a good SNES controller for PC? Preferably if it's wired and is pretty accurate to a real controller.

>>6931147
I just use a PS3 controller. Works a lot better than my old wired 360 one.

>>6931573
Windows 10 doesn't, though, so you have to download separate drivers. And it doesn't play well with most other programs, and it can be annoying to try to split it between your ps4 and pc, and to reconnect you often have to completely repair the controller because just pressing the PS button doesn't always or under certain conditions trigger it to wake up and reconnect to the pc. Whereas, with an 8bitdo, it automatically works with everything and to turn it on you just hold start, and if you want to switch it to Android or Nintendo switch you just hold start plus a face button. And the Bluetooth drops less often for me, and I like the matte finish more, and it was cheaper than a new ds4, and it comes with a phone clip for mobile use.
Sound like a shill, but it be what it do.

>>6931651
You don't need separate drivers. You need to use Steam Input. Which you should be using across the board for any controller in current year.
>bluetooth problems between PC and other devices
You remove from devices then hold PS+select to pair it and it will redownload the driver and then you do it again and it pairs. Takes about 30 seconds tops.

>>6931683
>Just singularize all your programs into a slow bloated online only platform that tries to sell you stuff
>Having to unpair and repair a controller is just as good as only needing to press the start button

>>6931734
Sorry you have to lash out because you're tech illiterate

I've got an 8bitdo sf30, pretty cash.
works on pc, switch and even a real snes if you've got the dongle for it.
I've seen some say the dpad is bad but I don't know what the hell they're talking about.

It's pretty overkill for just retro gaming since it's got gyro, rumble and full functioning analog, then again after market ps1/2 controllers are mostly chinkshit with fake analog that just have the 8 directions tied to the sticks so I wonder if it's possible to use an 8bitdo pad on a ps2 system.

>>6931527
>>6931176
Yeah this is the best option I've come across as well. It's not perfect, but it's very good.

>>6932137
>I've seen some say the dpad is bad but I don't know what the hell they're talking about.
I have one and I understand the dpad complaints. It sits too loosely so sometimes it will shift over and grind against the edge.

However, after using the controller for about a month, it's something I've been able to work around with muscle memory and I don't notice it at all anymore. But it's something for them to work on for the next edition

>>6931147
The one the developers original intended the game to be played using

>>6931147
Doesn't matter what controller you use you'll still be fucked over by input lag.

>>6931547
>plug and play with every emulator worth using
>"noooo too difficult to get working you need to buy 8bittrash"
Unbelievably transparent shilling.

>>6931147
8bitdo.

now i know what you're going to say, "but-" shut the fuck up.
no other SNES replica controller gets the texture on the dpad right, or has the rubber start/select.
FUCK ibuffalo.

8bitdo snes controller is ok diagonals are hard to hit for games like contra though

>>6932294
>Not plug n play with dolphin
>Not plug n play with epsxe
>not plug n play with any older emulator
>not even plug n play with retroarch unless you load it through steam every time
Tell me, what are these emulators that are "worth using", to you?

>>6933773
>Not plug n play with dolphin
It actually works just fine with Dolphin, which detects it as a dinput controller. I'm testing it right now, why are you lying?
>Not plug n play with epsxe
I specifically said worth using. You've got to be the dumbest motherfucker in this thread if you think anyone even remotely familiar with emulation is still using epsxe. There's no reason to use anything but Beetle/Mednafen for your typical emulation scenario.
>not plug n play with any older emulator
Nobody cares.
>not even plug n play with retroarch unless you load it through steam every time
It's perfectly plug and play with retroarch, which has featured an autoconfig for it for what, 3+ years?

Now the real question here is, are you aware that you're lying, and are just some hooknosed shill, or are you some 60 IQ subhuman with post-purchase rationalization, and doing it for free?

What if I want to use my original controllers? Are there any good dongles that support multiple retro controllers being plugged in at once (e.g. NES, SNES, N64, Genesis)?

>>6931826
He had a point though, not really "lashing out". Steam is kind of a pain to use compared to games that just run easily.

>>6932352
It's also hard to steal from the shop in Link's Awakening (Gameboy) for the same reason :(

>>6934154
I use this one yeah, I like it a lot. Also the Xbox One controller.

>>6934149
Blissbox.
>>6934189
>Steam is kind of a pain to use compared to games that just run easily
In what ways exactly? I'm guessing that like we see on /vg/ and /v/, the complaints are mostly coming from third worlders with late 90s-tier internet, rather than lightning fast fiber optic lines used in the first world.

>>6933773
You're out of touch and also wrong. See >>6934095
>>6934189
>SteamInput is hard
No it isn't. Plus it's already been established multiple times ITT that Retroarch supports DS4 natively.

>>6931651
dont use windows 10, you dingus

>>6934207
>Blissbox.
You're a damn hero, Anon. I wish they weren't out of the 4-play, but they offer a single player option that would suit my needs just fine for now. Thank you so much!

>>6934280
It's expensive, but just like raphnet adapters, you get what you pay for. Have fun anon.

>>6934095
>ANYBODY WHO HAS A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FROM ME IS LYING!
I don't know what to tell you nigger, I've just listed the actual problems I've actually had trying to use a ds4 on windows. You can get hysterical if you want, but it's all stuff I've really dealt with.

>>6934417
>>ANYBODY WHO HAS A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FROM ME IS LYING!
>You can get hysterical if you want
I've calmly and rationally debunked your claims. Meanwhile you're slamming out incoherent capslock responses because you've lost an argument.

>>6934207
>I'm guessing that like we see on /vg/ and /v/, the complaints are mostly coming from third worlders with late 90s-tier internet
Are the controls uploaded then downloaded in real-time then and cannot be used offline if setup via Steam?
Because that is literally THE only way of reading your post (unless it was a bizarre cope) and it seems like a very retarded way of doing it. You can carry on using this system though.

>>6934487
>Because that is literally THE only way of reading your post
Ah, you're ESL. Okay, I'll carefully explain it to you. On Steam, you click a game, click Install, click Next a couple of times, wait a few minutes while it downloads and installs, and away you go. Couldn't be a simpler experience. For using a non-Steam game through the API, we carefully look at the top of the screen, click Games, click Add a Non-Steam Game to My Library, select the Game(s), and click Add Selected Programs. Again, incredibly simple.

Yet we routinely see nebulous, grammatically questionable claims of Steam being "difficult to use", and I'm positing that this is because for third worlders, that 'wait a few minutes' step is probably going to take hours, which surely doesn't feel very good from a usability standpoint. The other possibility is that you're just too low IQ to use such a simple application, but I was being nice.

>>6934435
>"I've calmly and rationally debunked your claims."
>his previous post is compelled with name calling only
I guess you're the liar, not him.

>>6934709
>his previous post is compelled with objective facts about the functionality of ds4 support across a variety of emulators
Fixed that for ya, champ :). Now, which statement in my post about DS4 support across said emulators in response to blatant misinformation are you taking issue with? Be specific now, buddy.

>>6934732
>Now, which statement in my post about DS4 support across said emulators in response to blatant misinformation are you taking issue with?
Who is talking about that, you schizo? Look back at your post, you spent most of it calling the other anon a motherfucker and later on a subhuman shill and the only argument you could pull was "it just werks on me machine".

>>6934746
>and the only argument you could pull was "it just werks on me machine"
So is your argument that these applications with dinput support don't actually support dinput devices, and that said support is somehow a quirk of my end user setup, rather than being deliberately implemented by the developers of the emulators in question?

>>6934763
Not at all. But at least now you've been clearer on your arguments. Procceed with the discussion.

threadly reminder that the dualshock 4 is superior to 8bitdo or any other controller solely because has gyro and touchpad and can be easily used on dolphin as a pointer or motionplus or cemu thanks to ds4windows.

>>6935702
ds4 gyro is fucking awful though

>>6935793
t. never tried it.

it works great as a replacement wii pointer and on games that use it to fine tune aim like botw.

>>6935702
>threadly reminder that the dualshock 4 is superior to 8bitdo
Well yeah, no disagreement there.
>or any other controller
It's the best all-in-one controller, being great for 3D, and good for 2D, but there are better options in the 2D department if you don't mind having multiple devices. If I had to narrow it down to just two controllers for retro vidya, it'd be a DS4 and a model 2 Saturn controller.
>solely because has gyro and touchpad and can be easily used on dolphin as a pointer or motionplus or cemu
That's such a niche use case though.

>>6931547
macOS doesn’t have this problem.

>>6934297
Isn't raphnet opensource and blissbox closed?

>>6934541
Maybe I'm just retarded, but the gamepad emulation doesn't work for me on non-steam games.

>>6931639
SNES to usb adapter and use an actual SNES controller. works great for emulators and Indy games. but buy something of decent value, I had one for 2 years but it just broke on me one day because it was cheap chinese garbage

>>6936025
yeah, exactly.
if you only want a single controller to play everything the the ds4 is the one you want. there are obviously better options if you want for example only 2d then as you say a saturn controller or similar is better.
but the gyro is what sets the ds4 apart in the emulation department because you can use it without having to do convoluted shit to play games that require motion controls.
the ds3, xbox 360 or one controller are all a close second for 3d gaming though.

>>6936881
SNES controller is a relic and for children. Controllers should have handles, period. Shit is not comfortable otherwise for long periods of play.

Does the PS4 controller have lag when used wired, I read about it the other day on a /v/ thread about controllers
and does it work with all emulators or knows which emulators straight up dont work with it?

>>6932294
You must have one of those lucky bluetooth controllers. Most suck for ds4. Like 250ms lag and they wont support the touchpad or gyro at all.

If you get the steamlink dongle and play on steam, that handles it well.

>>6936904
he asked for a snes controller retard

>>6937003
Hmm. I am a retard.

>>6936946
You're looking at a 2ms baseline with a 500hz usb polling rate on any given usb controller. After that, it's largely going to depend on the emulator's performance.
>>6936989
I typically use mine wired simply because I'm already at my desk, and it's just simpler to leave it plugged in.
>Like 250ms lag and they wont support the touchpad or gyro at all
I've never heard of an adapter not "supporting" the touchpad or gyro, and 250ms would be an insane 15 frames of input lag. Sounds like one fucked up chinese dongle.

>>6937013
I know usb is laggy shit which is why I still use a P/S 2 keyboard
I mean the PS4 controller is even worse wired according to some people, I think fighting games enthusiast have a site for this

>>6936904
>Controllers should have handles
Not what OP was asking but removing handles makes the controller also much more portable.

>>6937103
>makes the controller also much more portable.
In what universe is a controller not portable? Do you walk around with a controller in your pocket?

>>6931651
>>6931683
does win10 seriously not have dinput support? if so thats fucking nuts; so glad im still on 8.1

>>6937013
I get that lag on my sony tv and my intel bluetooth chipsets. Shit sucks, I love the feel of the ds4

Any of the Hori controllers is good for PC?

>>6937070
>I mean the PS4 controller is even worse wired according to some people
I think you're referring to the performance on an actual PS4, not PC. On the PS4, wired support was added much later, and doesn't appear to be implemented well.

>>6937118
I don't know if it's a recent thing, but win10 currently recognizes the DS4 as a dinput device without any drivers.

>>6937467
>i'm dumb as fuck and wear it on my sleeve
Ya think?

>>6937487
Don't know what to tell ya, pajeet. Works flawlessly on my machine. Maybe you really are just dumb as fuck.

>>6937118
It has dinput support.
Reminder, if you use multiple systems DS4 is the best controller you can get.

>>6937461
It doesn't help that the micro USB ports on DS4s tend to be loose enough that the slightest wiggle causes a disconnect.

>wireless
Get a wired controller you dorks.

How're the wireless retrobit genesis/saturn pads. Split between those and 8bitdo.

>>6937735
nowdays the only real advantage of wired controllers is that you don't have to charge them, performance wise are the same.

>>6937908
Wired's usually cheaper too.

>>6937735
>>6937908
You can plug in wireless controllers as well

>>6937908
does input lag mean nothing do you?

the ideal SNES style controller for PC

>>6938146
does it need something to work on PC?

>>6937739
Get an 8bitdo

>>6931639
This buffalo controller is fantastic. Feels exactly like the snes controller down to the weight and button concave/convex

>>6938264
plug n play

>>6931651
>plug in controller (or connect through BT)
>load up ds4windows
>play game
Must suck having 10IQ

>>6937735
Impossible. I have pet rabbits

>>6937109
No, but an SN30 takes much less room in a bag than a controller with handles.

>>6938086
It's the same.
In a bad day a bluetooth controller can have 10ms, but usually is around 3ms to 5ms which is the same as usb.

>>6939135
You can't fit a proper controller in your purse?

>>6939165
I recall seeing test results which wired switch controllers even have worse input lag than wireless pads.
In the end it's really up to the controller maker to make sure it doesn't have shit lag.

They sure don't make them like they used to in the snes/genesis days.

>>6934154
this thing feels so comfy. and the plastic shell & buttons/dpad feel like they were made by sega themselves.

>>6939826
Technically yes, but the SN30 fits much better.

>>6937513
>maybe i really are dumb as fuck
Maybe?

>>6939056
Well they're not running wild at all times are they? Surely can put the controllers out of reach when you're done so they don't chew on the wires.

>>6940872
Had them chew through my ps2 controller twice while I was playing. Their teeth are incredibly sharp and I would recline on a sofa so I couldnt see the ground very well. It was easier to switch to wireless than to remember to keep the cord high enough

>>6941027
Doesn't that mean the cords of your computer and your other stuff is at risk?

>>6936904
> Controllers should have handles, period. Shit is not comfortable otherwise for long periods of play.
Are you kidding me?! SNES controller is the pinnacle of comfort. Handles are trash. PS1 and on it was all downhill. Gamecube is an abomination to hold, especially that shit dpad. 360 dpad is especially horrible.
Also just get a USB adapter for real hardware Serial port adapter if you're fuckin hardcore

>>6941072
That's all better managed because it doesn't need to hang across the living room floor to get to my hands.

>>6936904
>Controllers should have handles, period
fuck this meme, handles feel like shit

>>6941117
>SNES controller is the pinnacle of comfort
No, it's not. You don't really believe that either, you're just shitposting for (You)s. Modern controllers are designed first and foremost with ergonomics in mind. If the snes controller was pinnacle of comfort, surely they would have used that design for the switch pro controller instead of taking a 360 controller and making it fit one's hands slightly better.

>>6931532
It depends on the console.
Best PS2 controller is the DualShock 3 since it still has pressure sensitive buttons for Metal Gear Solid 2 & 3 as well as the PC ports of the GTA Trilogy with GInput.
It's also the best overall.

>>6931547
Not that difficult.

>>6938086
>2020
Anon...

>>6941548
enjoy your RSI

>>6941705
I bet you don't move the n64 controller's stick with your palm either, fag.

>>6941932
How the fuck are you holding that thing?

Why the fuck aren't there more 2.4ghz wireless controllers? I always thought wireless was bullshit because of input delay but after getting a 2.4ghz mouse I realize it's just bluetooth that's shit

8bitdo's m30 has a 2.4ghz model that works with PC but all of their others don't seem to

>>6941937
For flat controllers you're supposed to either put them on your lap, or the floor, and press the buttons like you would an arcade machine. This is the objectively correct way to game for every gen 3-4 game, and most n64 games. Using your fucking thumbs to control joysticks is unplayable casual garbage.

>>6941951
But the 64 controller isn't flat, that logic doesn't even work here.

>>6932294
8bitdo is good though, well, at least for snes controllers. It's not 100% as good as the originals, but it's about 95% + wireless + joysticks + rumble + comfortable grips

Not to mention it's cheaper than a ps4 controller.

Solid purchase of you like retro games.

>>6941951
Low effort troll post

>>6941957
>it's about 95%
I have the sn30 pro and pro+, and both of them have miserably stiff buttons and dpads. They practically feel sticky. I hate them. The m30 in comparison has exactly what I'd want the buttons to feel like

>>6941957
M30 is the only decent controller they offer, and the DS4 regularly goes on sale for ~$40. I can't imagine a $10 price different being a make or break considering how much money you're already saving via emulation.

>>6941964
Hmm, maybe they have poor quality control or something. I don't have any of those problems with mine.


Or my standards are low.

>>6942021
Probably a little bit of both. There's only a handful of controllers that are better than 8bitshit, but there's a whole fucking lot of ones that are worse, so if you're happy with it, that's all that matters in the end.

>>6938395
>and button concave/convex
does it?
from that pic looks like all the buttons are convex and I like concave X/Y buttons.

>>6941562
> You don't really believe that either
I really do believe that. You don't have to "hold" an SNES controller, you just rest it on your lap and your thumb lines up perfectly with the buttons and index fingers perfectly with the shoulder buttons. The buttons and Dpad feel amazing. It is unironically the most comfortable and best controller ever made.

>>6942383
>you just rest it on your lap and your thumb lines up perfectly with the buttons and index fingers perfectly with the shoulder buttons
Anon, every modern controller is like that.

>>6932289
How to minimize input lag? Wired only?

>>6942383
This is what being blinded by nostalgia looks like

>>6942714
> How to minimize input lag? Wired only?
Serial port. If you have one. USB isn't that bad though. In reality, your LCD will likely be the main culprit of lag, unless you have 1ms refresh.

> This is what being blinded by nostalgia looks like
Why do you think i hang out on VR all damn day? I stand by all stated opinions.

>>6942714
> How to minimize input lag? Wired only?
Serial port. If you have one. USB isn't that bad though. In reality, your LCD panel will likely be the main culprit of lag, unless you have 1ms refresh.
>>6942721
> This is what being blinded by nostalgia looks like
Why do you think i hang out on VR all damn day? I stand by all stated opinions.

>>6942383
100% agree with this, SNES controller feels amazing

>>6942721
i didn't grow up playing SNES, got a controller a few years back to play some games on emu, its the most comfy controller there is. zero nostalgia.

>>6931176
I use the wired version without the grips. I really enjoy it.

>>6943149
that's a great controller.
a friend of mine has the bluetooth version and it's excellent.
I haven't used the version with handles, it looks dumb in comparison, but I bet it feels right too.

>>6942986
>serial port
Wut.

The whole problem is usb doesnt directly flip registers like old controllers used to. Get hacked usb drivers and raise your polling interval until it starts to break.


But yes, your display lag is going to be worse.

>>6941941
The Logitech F710 has a 2.4Ghz receiver.

>>6942193
I made it through cuphead (expert), and MegaMan x- x3 with it, so it's suffice to say I've adapted to whatever shit factor might be present. I own the sn30 pro
and sn30pro+, and I love them.

Do you know of better ones (other than original hardware of course)?

>>6943187
>but I bet it feels right too.

It feels pretty good if you have big hands like me. Imo the snes controller is the pinnacle of 2D gaming hardware, so it already feels fantastic, but with the extra grips, you get the gamecube comfort with the snes fluent button layout.

>>6942383
Lmfao you're crazy dawg, love it. But I can see where being lap-bound would be beneficial to take all the weight off your fingers so your thumbs have an easier time moving swiftly.

I'm gonna try it tonight and see if I'm any better. This conversation has me wanting to play some Donkey Kong Country 2 for some reason.

hori mini usb/ps4 for most things is fine, if the sticks bother you (they bothered me) you can pop on generic 360 replacement sticks and they fit perfectly. I don't emulate because I prefer to use the original controller the intended platform, and by the time I started looking into getting correct controllers or adapters for emulation I realized I'd be spending so much for an experience that still wasn't accurate. So I just moved on to real hardware.

Pic related is my goto for 90% of anything on pc retro or not. Picked up a retrobit sega 6button usb for 10 bucks that im finding nice for genesis/snes emulation

>>6931176
stop shilling

I can’t remember where I got it, but I have an OG SNES controller retrofitted with a USB port. I love it

I can’t remember where I got it, but I have an original SNES controller retrofitted with a USB cable. I love it

>>6931532
>shitty thumb sticks
ps3 had better analog throw. ds4 has a shorter throw.

>>6934154
i use that for saturn emulation comfy as fuck.

>>6931147
Not shilling 8bitdo but I use one of pic related
some people on here say just get a blutooth adapter on amazon for 5 buck but I've had nothing but trouble with those, maybe i got the wrong kind. but 8bitdos adapter is good, no connections dropped ,works well with retroarch ,can use ds4, ds3, 360, xbox one, and switch pro controllers. the only problem to get it to work with ps3 controllers takes some jumping through hoops but the rest connect with ease i would get the gray one and not the orange one since the gray one has ds4 rumble and the orange one does not.

>>6931176
I have the pro version, it's pretty great. The only problem I have when playing on the phone in RetroArch sometimes pressing a D-pad direction records twice. I don't know if this is RetroArch problem or the controller but pretty annoying.

>>6944718
I prefer the shorter throw and the concave shape

>>6944736
They generally compatible with android?

I got a sony tv and my ds4 is garbage when I pair it with bluetooth. Right now I'm using my.steamlink and its dongle but that's not as good as the android tv app.

>>6944189
the original wii classic controllers are much better.

>>6940282
oh boy

>>6944153
Does it work with most emulators or need a program to work on PC?

>>6945050
It's a DS4 usb controller, plug it in, maybe ds4 needs a driver I don't know, but it should work just fine.

>>6942996
>its the most comfy controller there is
How big is your sample size here?

>>6944189
Had a thought, would amazon.jp be a reliable place to get a WiiU pro controller?

It's a complete pain in the ass trying to find real ones, for as badly as the WiiU sold the Pro controller got knocked off pretty heavily. I'm wondering if the nips are any more trustworthy.

>>6945585
Check yahoo auctions man

>>6931147
For 2d games, a saturn controller is so far ahead of everything else it's not funny.