/vr/ - Retro Games

the art dump continues.

Am I broken because I like mother 1 the most?
I routinely replay it.

>>6940117
not at all. each game has things going for it, so i could see why someone would like 1.

Do I need to play mother 1 first? Can I start with 2?

>>6940250
>Can I start with 2?
well just remember that most people in the fandom play earthbound first

>>6940254
wait is 2 not earthbound

>>6940250
earthbound is a huge evolution of mother 1.
if you're concerned about either of them holding your attention, get through earthbound first.

as far as story goes, from what i could tell only 2 and 3 are really connected, so dont feel bad for skipping over 1.

>>6940250
it can be done either way. although you'll really start to feel for giygas if you play both.

>>6940073
Do you ever run out of these guys? I had like two die with me, I didn’t wanna max it out

>>6940746
yes. their dialogue gets more and more desperate as you loose more of them.

>>6940303
1 and 2 are connected via giygas, the final battle in 2 is more impactful if you play 1 first.

>>6940752
Oh damn I looked it up and there’s a total of five. The last one says he’s not courage, he’s desperation :(

>>6939789
Have one of you guys read the Legend Of Localization book? How was it?

>this franchise was ended by the n64s autism
kill me

What's better for lloyd mid-game
>standard attack which can SMASH and be buffed by Attack Up
Or
>Plasma Beam, which delivers face melting PK Beam beta damage and never misses, but the items can break and need to be purchased or found in random drops

what was everyones favorite parts of the games?

>>6940982
smash, as its always available to use.

>>6940772
What was that? Is it an official book?

>>6941332
i dont know i got it from a thread some time back.

>>6941187
M1: Eve
M2: Happy Happy Village
M3: Chapter 6

>>6942007
M1 - "death of magicant" scene was pretty intense for me. with that song playing in the back.

>>6940117
With an EXP/money increase hack I find Mother 1 to be incredibly replayable.

>>6940982
I usually just give him a boomerang and make him bash, sometimes using a death ray when I'm feeling saucy.
Then there's also the gang members in Valentine that drop flamethrowers which are useful as fuck.

>>6941973
Interesting. What was in it?

>>6942296
Oh sorry i thought you were speaking about the fan art, that one i got it from a thread.
Legends Of Localization is a book about Earthbound written by Tomato, the guy that fan translated Mother 3, and it list all the differences between the US release and JP release and more. I havent read it yet, I would like to know what people who have read it think.

>>6942186
I just play the wii u port. I don't need the hacks to play it

>>6942482
neat. im hoping that all the concept art for the games gets released.
or if were lucky, the cut scripts from 3

post your ideas for a fangame.

>>6944147
mother 2 Halloween hack that makes everything generally creepier and harder.

>>6944147
piggybacking off those other anons last thread, pokey following up on his threat in 2.

>>6942090
Agreed.

>>6941187
I really like the stuff that the random npcs that you are never required to interact with say, even the people that just talk through their doors

>>6940073
They are pretty sore losers.

>DRAGON QUEST BUT IT AMERICA

>>6945041
Back you go
>>>/v/

>>6939789
I remember watching some mac demarco concert on youtube where he said his favorite nintendo game was earthbound. A few hours later I found out he kisses dudes for fun. That about sums up the fan base.

>>6945032
Lmao

>>6945032
aren't they supposed to be a representation of their psyche?

Memebound is digital estrogen. Fuck this game and everything it stands for.

>>6945847
>and everything it stands for.
Eh, the modern western fanbase can be quite loud as obnoxious, as western fanbases are, but the game is still pretty based. Itoi and Suzuki are chad-tier, nothing estrogen about them.

>>6945861
do not respond to low effort bait.

>>6945003
the NPC's really add a lot to the game. all the shit they say about the MCs is what got me to really think more of them.

Ness is best boy.

>>6947015
Wrong. Teddy is best boy

>>6947073
Nah. Ness has a hat.

Yikes

I forgot about bombs in mother 1. That spread PK fire effect is really useful for spreading damage around, and softening targets for ninten.

>>6947015
and he deserves best girl.

ok heres an artpic i saved

>>6948049
some of the prices in 2 make sense when you look at the dollars as yen that wasnt properly converted when they translated the game, but it was still kind of fucky.

>>6948203
Jeff.

>>6948349
Jeff uses a .45

>>6942482
I bought it for my buddy, but he's a dick so I kept it. I've flipped through it and it's interesting, but it's so exhaustive it's kind of exhausting

>>6949190
At least its thorough.

>>6944756
Is your name Robert??

>>6949956
it can be.

>>6949956
Kek

do you think they ever took rests in-between fights?

>>6951110
Do you think they ever gangbanged paula?

ness's sister was cute. i thought it was funny that she took up a job to help you.

>>6948046
MODS

>>6939789
The proper order to play the games is 1->2->3.

That's both the chronological release order and story order of the universes. If you play Mother 2 (Earthbound) without playing Mother 1 first, you won't understand Giygas quite as much: his motivations and all that. Of course, Earthbound is cleverly designed to make that not matter, but it really does enhance the story.

>>6952298
I dunno, I played 2 before 1, and I thought it worked okay. What happened to giygas became pretty sad when playing through 1.

>>6952742
What even happened to Giygas after 1? 10 or so years after his defeat by getting sung at he turned into evil itself? Something so abstract and strange that no one could defeat it?

>>6951781
How old is Tracy where she can actually get a part time job at a delivery/storage company? She looks not even 10.

>>6952785
He got so traumatized by his defeat that he gre in power until his body lost is form and became that.

>>6952785
>>6952853
Basically. He was told by the prophecy machine (apple of enlightenment) that he'd lose in his return invasion to dumb kids again. One of the dumb kids looked exactly like ninten as well
So he kept increasing his power, but he kept getting the same prophecy, so he kept increasing his power and so on. The more power he attained, the less stable he was. At a certain point he was psychically powerful enough to the point of creating his own dark universe, but also physically weak enough that the emotions of love and guilt literally could kill him. It was a self fulfilling prophecy in the end, of course.

>>6953023
i always thought the increasing power was due to the trauma.

>>6953150
I don't think so. I think the devil's machine was designed to both increase and contain his power: maybe just the latter.

In Mother 1, he's already in a machine of some sort and already his attacks are incomprehensible. I think the "devil's machine" in Mother 2 is just that machine but expanded as the need for containment grew. I can't prove that though, but in Mother 1 he already looked too frail to ever leave the fluid he was in.

The trauma killed him. Or, at least, remembering the guilt of Mother 1 events alongside Maria's love did. No matter how powerful he became, he couldn't escape an emotional vulnerability after all.

>>6953272
im not sure about that. in 1 he seemed mostly normal, as he started off OP before the transformation. but by 2 hes on a whole other level and the devil's machine is something entirely different than what we saw in 1. im pretty sure the devils machine wasnt really containing his body, but more of containing what he turned into.

>>6953476
The devil's machine has many layers (as can be seen with the machine 'opens' to show his thoughts, which are entirely about Ness). I don't think it's too out there they built atop that core he was in in M1, but I admit there's no proof of it.
I do think his original body was gone either way, I'm not debating that, I'm just saying they built around it rather then made a new thing to stuff him in.

>>6953484
perhaps. although, i dont think it was ever stated that he increased his power himself. given what he turned into, im not entirely sure thats even possible. either way, the idea that intense trauma can cause a once powerful psychic to turn into whatever the fuck he was is one of the more grim fates ive seen in video games.

>>6953515
I really don't think the GIygas we see in Mother 2 is the same or weaker than in Mother 1. He's more vulnerable to human emotions, his weakness in Mother 1 (guilt making him leave). However, he makes his own dimension of horror in Mother 2.

I guess one thing to consider is what is the nature of Giygas's trauma? Losing Maria, who presumably died or otherwise went into some sort of psychic shock. I believe he was, or at least felt, responsible for it. He remembered her love in Mother 1 with the song the protagonists sang, but it also reminded him of his guilt.
One crucial thing to note is that in Mother 1 he offers to save Ninten, and only Ninten, from the fate he'd inflict on the humans. If Ninten agreed he probably would've felt less guilty. That was his goal.

I don't think he stewed over guilt in Mother 2, at least as a primary motivator. I think it was more likely he felt humiliated to have been 'defeated' by human emotion. That's how I think he saw himself. As such, I think he turned to a self-fulfilling prophecy and grew in power.

>>6953878
I didn't mean to imply that he was weaker. Quite the opposite. The way I saw it is that the intensity of the trauma coupled with how much power he already had triggers some kind of growth in power, at the expense of his physical form.

>>6952802
she's like 15 iirc

>>6953898
I suppose one could conjecture that the trauma has him self evolve like that, but I think there's less supporting that theory than mine, and I admit mine is borderline head-canon if not over the line. They are kind of vague on all the hidden lore bits I find.

>>6953973
Mine is based most off stuff said by buzz buzz and pokey. Its less that the trauma cased it, but more that it was the trigger after being an already extremely powerful PSI user.

>>6954707
you know, people always had their theories on what giygas was supposed to look like, but i always thought he looked like his head from 1.

>>6953963
ness and the gang are 13, and shes younger than that since shes his little sister.

>>6955157
Never noticed that before.

>>6948049
Cute.

>>6955303
Tracy is just a midget. She's secretly 40

>>6955157
>>6955392
Just look at a picture of earthbound Giygas and turn it upside down.
Instant mother Giygas

>>6955973
It still kinda looks like him normal. He still has his little ears things at the top and you can see his eyes.

absolutely blessed Mother thread

>>6956106
Don't get why anyone would want to play the port of Mother 2 on Mother 1+2, specially if the only translation job that's happened so far is just turning it into Earthbound with no retranslation at all.

>>6955303
she's his older sister though?

>>6955936

did someone archive motheryouhadme youtube channel? A decade ago lots a videos been erased.
The theories were cool.

>>6956664

>>6956684

>>6956656
no, shes his younger sister. both she and the game state as such.

>>6956708
anon that's just silly, what would you do if a loli delivered you pizza late at night

>>6956761
Pay her accordingly + tip. Then eat the pizza.

>>6956786
>+ tip. Then eat the pizza.
you monster

>>6956163
personally, I just played it because it was convenient for me. I already played through Mother 2 on SFC a number of times, so I just played it on M1+2 just for the sake of it being different (even if a downgrade). I know I could emulate it if I wanted to play it on a handheld, but fuck it, I own the cart, might as well use it instead of letting it sit without ever touching it.
Funnily enough, since I could play it on my Micro and carry it everywhere when I was playing it, I actually got a 100% file (or very close to it, at least) on it, I actually went and grinded for every 1/128 equipable item. Spent a lot of hours looking for the magic frypan and the gutsy bat. It was pretty nice to just play in short bursts of 10 or 20 minutes here and there.
There's also some glitches exclusive to this port, like you can actually beat Gyiyg without praying, but I dunno, never tried that.

>>6955973
>>6956103

>>6956958
Sounds like a very valid reason.

>>6957251
But look at the things on the top in his normal configuration. You can see his ears, and teeth where his jaw is. It looks like she's screaming.

>>6957354
>she
Fuck off

>>6957439
It was a typo. Didn't notice until now.

what was with these guys?

I made Peanut Cheese Bars two months ago and they were absolutely delicious.

>>6958045
looks fuckin good, anon.

>>6956958
Well if you were actually playing it on real hardware then that's totally valid. I was more thinking playing it through emu.

>>6958045
Looks pretty good anon.

what does everyone think the cut scripts for 3 were about?

>>6958323
Wasn't most of the cut Mother 3 scripts surrounding the mushroom trip on Tanetane Island? Like originally a lot of the dialog in that sequence was suppose to be way more violent and unsettling then it came to be.

>>6957913
They're Tenda. They're shy.

>>6958706
There were whole different games that were cut when development switched consoles.

>>6958725
There was some interesting stuff there, just looking at the old previews and material.

>>6957913
meme creatures like mr. saturn

>>6958710
Except one.

>>6953515
Honestly, the whole concept of giygas is a pretty unnerving one if you put it in the right context. Its a an alien entity that has such immense psychic power that it can influence the minds of things all across the planet, but at the cost of loosing its mind and body. Its really neat how he was put in the story without ODing on the edge. A testament to how well itoi is at crafting atmosphere.

>>6958710
Cute.

>>6948105
It's always dollars.

>>6961084
oh. well it still makes more sense as yen, but i always thought that was a translation thing.

>>6961068
never ever.

i wish this game was remade with a party chat.

>>6940953
Anon... Did you know Mother 3 exists?

>>6945041
>DQ but it's fun*

>>6954707
>signature
way to ruin it

>>6961917
3 sold poorly due to the development hell through on by the n64, so the n64 still killed it.

>>6961942
I'm pretty sure Itoi wanted it to be his final game anyway, from what I've read in interviews. A new Mother would suck without him

>>6961960
honestly, i wouldnt rule out Itoi sticking with the series if development went a little better. that kind of shit has to be tiring when you get fucked over by the company.

>>6960768
how exactly does giygas influence people anyways? there was the mani mani statue, but that seemed to be just one way of him getting control of someone. he appeared to also be able to influence people and things without it just as well.

>>6962097
His exhaustion may be exacerbated by him being a literal commie. "Wtf work can be hard and imperfect at times? Marx was right all along!"

>>6962476
im not really sure that hes an actual communist, but the heavy handed storyline in 3 certainly gave the vibe. just another reason why i wish they never put this game in development hell.

>>6962476
>if you say anything bad about capitalism you're a commie
based retard

>>6962476
I'll bet this guy can't even envision the final collapse of capitalism

>>6962538
kek.

is there any difference between the original dumped Earth Bound (USA) (Proto) rom and EarthBound Beginnings?

>>6962569
I'm not aware of much.

>>6962569
Earthbound Beginnings is just the Earth Bound prototype rom put up on the eShop.

>>6958725
I think fans overestimate the cut content. The 64DD version was too ambitious and set to have 12 chapters, but by near the end of development when after development refocused to cartridge, the chapter count dropped to 7~9. So the final N64 version was most likely going to look extremely similar to the GBA version's 8 chapters. If I were to speculate, I'd even say the bulk of the trimming was due to streamlining most of the Needle subplot into the long Chapter 7 (note that the middle four can be pulled nonlinearly, which may hint they were drastically condensed from their own dedicated chapters). And ironically, the GBA version most likely resembles how the shortlived SNES version was going to look like.
>>6962569
Several bytes that are probably just copyprotection-related.

>>6962749
There were interviews where it was said that everything about the story was changed, at least once. Itoi stated before that it was supposed to have more to do with other games, and that he changed it because he felt it was too cruel to fans. I can't find them exactly right now, but they're on Starman.net iirc. People really underestimate how much of a shitshow the development of 3 was.

>>6962472
im sure he used his powers directly, but id also like to imagine some local58 kind of shit when he invaded.

>>6956685
i would pay very good money to see animated porn of this scene in this exact same style

>>6962749
this is a mockup model, garrett did this

>>6962908
>hips
What did she mean by this?

>>6963549
>TV broadcasts controlled by a deranged psychic entity that has lost its mind
sounds spooky.

what were everyone's favorite bosses?

>>6963269
That's not what's being said there; what's being said is that, the way the game was shaping up on N64 cartridge (as in the state of the N64 game near the end of its development, i.e. had it been released) is extremely similar to the plot of the GBA version. Yes, everyone knows about the evidence of a different endgame/alternate ending involving final boss presentation and possibly Porky's fate, but this ultimately doesn't majorly affect the outline of events.

>>6965380
im not talking about that. there was at least one other script that was changed by the time of 3s release due to both changes in development. screenshots of some of the earliest N64 prototypes reflect this. you are thinking of the cut content from the GBA version, whereas what everyone else is referring to is something different entirely.

>>6965427
>you are thinking of the cut content from the GBA version
Which, like several other things, are in all likelihood remnants of N64 ideas.

>>6965505
i think youre confusing the two. some stuff carried over from older builds, but there were more builds than just the one that was shown off.

>>6965159
not a boss, hell not even a strong enemy, but there was always this mole playing rough right outside of the drugstore that would attack you no matter how high your level was, but he would be the same as when you faced them back at onett. i always found that funny.

>>6965159
All of the Starmen were fun

>>6962620
That's it?

>>6965782
That's it.

>>6965532
>i think youre confusing the two. some stuff carried over from older builds, but there were more builds than just the one that was shown off.
The N64 cartridge version that would have released in 2000 wouldn't have been terribly different plotstructure-wise is the point - it's everyone else that boils down the early/mid 12-chapter/64DD periods of development as if it's one "EarthBound 64", and even then, the story had the biggest changes during the game's pre-planning stages for SNES, which we know the least about and probably would have visualy resembled the GBA version the most, going full circle. Sure, we don't know how much reported lost 64DD content was actually implemented in the last N64 build, but I suspect that it'd be just as disappointing as Ura Zelda/Ocarina of Time's Master Quest.

>>6966170
Honestly, the way it was talked about and looking at how developed, I wouldn't be surprised if virtually none of the store written for the original first period of development made it in. Not only did itoi not sound very happy with it, but the development was so terrible and down out that game changing game changing stuff was dropped entirely.

There was also that weird GameCube mother game that was a concept briefly. Not even sure if that was related to 3.

>>6965786
i thought there were differences. maybe ive gotten too used to fan translations.

>>6957913
penis

>>6961585
why not? looks OK

>>6966664
its never coming out.

>>6966282
>There was also that weird GameCube mother game that was a concept briefly. Not even sure if that was related to 3.
Oh yeah, it totally wasn't. Hard to say if it would have been a new game or a remake. It might have inadvertently jumpstarted the idea to resurrect Mother 3 on GBA however.

>>6967550
It looks like a remake/direct sequel to 2. Would have been interesting to see how that would have panned out.

>>6967746
>direct sequel to 2
dont get my hopes up like that...

>>6968342
eh, there isnt much to get your hopes up for. the game likely wasnt even in a playable state, if it even was a game by that point.

probably not, but the concept is still interesting to me.

>>6969042 meant for >>6968538

>>6966562
Epic.

>>6957913
Why did they live in a swamp?

>An edgy mother fanfiction that ruins the series stands in your path

>>6970717
Mother 1 is just an edgy x-files fan fiction

>>6970732
Mother 1 and 2 had fine plots and neither one was a messy, rushed, and unnecessarily edgy final product.

>>6970717
i wouldnt say its bad, it just doesnt fit with the others.

>>6970879
It does fit with the others. It still has that Mother appeal.

>>6970894
i suppose. although 1 and 2 had much better crafted subtlety and atmosphere, imho.

>>6970407
>wheres the pencil eraser?

>>6970717
Here we go again...

>>6971238
Cope

>>6961923
So, Dragon Quest.

>>6970717
>ruins the series
>last game in series
wut?
if you wanna say ruins the fanbase, then maybe. but how can you ruin a series thats pretty much over.

>>6967550
i wasnt aware of a point where development of 3 actually stopped.

>>6967550
Just look at how soulful that is. We really missed on on this.

>>6962908
Based

>ness got with Paula
>Jeff had Tony
What about poo?

>>6973071
Poo is the prince of some backwards southwestern Asian country. He has any woman he desires.

>>6973146
The man would be drowning in Asian women if he didn't dedicate himself to mu training

What's with the enemies?

Was it PSI crazing people, animals and animating cars, trucks and bathroom signs?

>>6974401
it was giygas. he wasn influencing people and things in 1, so id imagine it would get crazier in 2 when hes just an incomprehensibly powerful entity with little control over his actions.

>>6974401
In mother 1, I figured that most enemies were
>humans and animals driven crazy by alien psychic resonance.
>inanimate objects brought to life by same psychic force.
>zombies and ghosts brought to life, by again ‐ psychic resonance.
>actual invasion force of aliens and robots
>magicant enemies, all of which are psychic constructs of Mary/Maria's.

I honestly really like how Mother 1 is generally devoid of totally off-the-wall enemies and creatures outside the explicitly not-real Magicant. I think it aids the general atmosphere of the game of kids off in the woods, getting caught up in spooky alien mysteries and 50's pulp scifi adventures.

Mother 1 kind of feels like a Bradbury story. Or Stand By Me intersecting with The Goonies and The X-Files with a dash of heavily toned-down Japanese Weirdness and their perception of America.

>>6974561
i have a theory on why the enemies got crazier in 2. since giegue was controlling them in 1, they were fairly sane. his PSI could control objects and people, without overwhelming them. but in 2, since he became a monstrous entity with little control over his power and his PSI was far more powerful, the things he controlled and people he influenced became more corrupted and warped like giygas was.

>>6975418
Just use dad to call your mom, Ness. It'll be all good.

>>6974401
Dunno why, but something about the tiger enemy in Mother 1 doesn't sit with me very well.

>>6975434
You know, part of me thinks the reason why ness is so quick to get homesick is because if how often he and his friends get hurt to the point of passing out.

>>6975437
It looks mean.

>>6973071
Concubines.

is there any difficulty hack for EB to make it harder?? I'd love something like that for a replay

>>6939789

>>6976438
How about not equipping good weapons? Stick with shitty underpowered ones and see how far you can make it. Use consumable items and PSI buff/debuffs.

>>6976438
>difficulty hack for EB to make it harder
yeah, go play mother 1

>>6976475
1 is more hard in a game meta kind of way. And actually proper difficulty increase is something 2 could do good with.

>>6976475
>>6976462
eh that's just needing to grind though. i mean like stuff that makes you really think about every turn you use

>>6976750
This and a party chat would make a massive improvement on 2. Even if it was good as it was.

>>6977169
i 100% agree
i would love a remake in the style of Link's Awakening with those changes too

>>6977276
Either that or a kind of 2D cartoon style. Like the OG graphics but animated.
GC style 3d would have been kino as well.

if there was anything you could change about any of the games, what would it be?

>>6978525
M1: Smaller maps
M2: Fix inventory
M3: Nothing

>>6978525
Greenlight the game cube prototype.

>>6965159
Diamond dog

>>6978525
Mother 2 needs a key items and equipped items section in it's inventory instead of everything being one big mess. Maybe then I'd like to muck around with the condiment system or something. Mother 3 introducing a key items section at least was so fucking relieving.

>>6979578
Earthbound has an awful inventory, even compared to 1.
In mother 1 you could stash key items and equipped items didn't take up inventory space.

>>6979587
Well yeah that's the thing in Mother 1. After you get the Onyx Hook you can go back to Magicant whenever and just give things you don't need to that witch. Becomes even better after you get the teleport from Easter.
And yeah equipped items not taking up space was great.

>>6979578
The inventory in 2 never really bothered me much. Although I never really grabbed every single item. A larger inventory system would have been nice.

>>6977276
id prefer a wind waker style myself.

>>6980695
ness looks gay here

>>6980701
I think its the expression

was ness's sister supposed to have a bigger role? i always got that impression.

>>6981653
She was your item mule middlewoman throughout the whole game. Pretty important.

>>6981793
Fair enough.

>>6981653
there was a bunch of cut stuff from 2, so that wouldnt surprise me.

>>6979637
I'll never understand why they decided to make equipped items take up space. I'm not aware of many other games that do this.

>>6982269
Fuck QoL, bro.

>>6982269
Limited inventory meant you used those battle only and full healing items rather than saving them forever.

>>6982635
in theory, i guess.

>>6983289
>>6982635
if they gave you a way to call tracy more often, this could have been avoided.

>>6984032
yeah, more phone points would have been nice.

Only five can ladder.

>>6984923
???

the starment were cool. wish we saw more of them.

>>6979587
Inventory was never this series' strong suit.

>>6984923
What did he mean by this

>>6986454
Cute.

I hate the stupid two week prune rule.

>>6987715
See ya

>>6987718
Another?

>>6987826
given that the only other one up is people bitching about 3, yes.