/vr/ - Retro Games

This thread? It's pretty cringe desu.

>>6929695
No, remake. original mgs 1 on ps is fucking masterpiece, but I don't know how remake I heard many bad words about twin snakes.

It's more fun than the original, while simultaneously being a worse game in a few ways.

It's also totally underrated. People shit on it all the time, but it's not that bad. If you like MGS2 gameplay, this is an MGS2 level pack, effectively.

Worth playing. Better graphics, worse everything else.

It's pretty simple. Did you think the original MGS needed more anime bullshit and matrix effects? If yes, play the remake. If no, stick to the original.

That and the dialogue in the cutscenes feels off in the remake. It's very noticeable in the tank fight, it demonstrates the issues at play nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihHo-h2z854

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQpGI_M1ogk

>>6929695
First post best post

Twin Snakes might be the worst remake ever in a long tradition of terrible remakes.

>>6929796
Not retro but REmake 3 is the worst remake ever.

>>6929689
it applied all the worst aspects of everything that came out after the matrix
doing jumping back flips off the missile was cringe

>>6929689
Ehhhh... original was better. Shadow Moses just wasn't designed for MGS2's engine.

The only thing Kojima ever took from the remake was the voice recordings, and only because the PS1 recordings were very low-quality.

>>6929689
It’s cringe.

>>6929805
Okay I haven't played it but if it's worse than TS that's commendable.

Absolute cringe.

The gameplay is fine and bretty good, just do yourself a favor and skip the cutscenes.

Another Japanese game tarnished by grubby west*id hands.

>>6929689
The Grey Fox cutscenes are amazing, if you're into RUUUUULES OF NATURRRRRE - but adding first-person shooting breaks other parts of the game. Namely the Revolver Ocelot fight

>>6929689
crinfe

>>6929689
Even if the basic gameplay wasn't broken and the new cutscenes weren't retarded, the lazy re-recording of the dialogue with all the dun sucked out would make it a terrible remake. Too bad they fucked up everything else on top of it lol.

>>6929689
Even if the basic gameplay wasn't broken and the new cutscenes weren't retarded, the lazy re-recording of the dialogue with all the fun sucked out would make it a terrible remake. Too bad they fucked up everything else on top of it lol.

It's a lot of fun. Not sure where the hate comes from. Never played the original though, so maybe people just don't like the changes.

>>6930345
>Not sure where the hate comes from.
>Never played the original

pottery

>>6930345
>i like eating shit, never eaten other food though

>>6930350
>>6930384
It's a fine game in isolation though. Afaik there were just a few cutscene changes. Doesn't seem like enough to ruin a game.

>>6930392
Cutscene added retarded matrix shit, Mei Ling loses her cute accent, etc. Stick with the original.

>>6930392
It's a middling and retardedly easy game in isolation. It's at least middling because it's based on an amazing game but it's like comparing SF2 arcade to the zx spectrum port. There's a glimmer of what made it good but it's so far from the real version.

>>6929689
Based because it's the best version of MGS1. Cringe for Sony fanboys since they got stuck with the inferior version of the game and refuse to buy a Gamecube.

>>6930473
The original MGS gameplay has aged quite poorly. It's a stealth game where you don't even have to hide bodies, or have non-lethal ammo.

>>6930686
simpler != worse

>>6930690
It's just not very engaging.

>>6930686
Agreed in some ways. But the Twin Snakes gameplay is so much worse. The whole game is designed around the camera angles, letting you tranq everyone in first person breaks the whole thing. Then on top of that there's overly long retarded cutscenes and re-recorded dialogue that has a worse script and everyone sounds bored as fuck.

>>6929689

>>6929689

eh it's mgs but with wacky bullshit, still good but not a master piece like go mgs

>>6929689

Its fucking garbage.

If you like it, you don't actually like MGS.

>>6929689
Still just as shitty as the original was.

Go play a real stealth game, weebs.

>>6932914
thief was never good.

>>6932963
Cope kojimacuck.

>>6932969
dilate westranny

>>6929704
>If you like MGS2 gameplay, this is an MGS2 level pack, effectively.
this. i liked it but i can get why others don't.

i still think complaining about the matrix cutscenes is silly when you take everything from MGS2 onward into account but metal gear fans have weird double standards.

Not a bad game in any way, but cringey.

only good one was the original by ultra
get fuckin dunked on zoomers

>>6930690
not doing a non-lethal run in a stealth game feels wrong and it doesn't take any skill in metal gear. hell, the later games actually punished you for killing everyone.

>>6929689
Cringe with a light touch of based.
>>6929704
The problem is that it incorporates the MGS2 without accommodating of MGS1 around it. For instance, some rooms don't have enough lockers to hide enemies in, and don't even get started on first person mode.

>>6929738
>That and the dialogue in the cutscenes feels off in the remake.
One thing I've noticed replaying TS is that it's not the new voices that suck, but it's actually how they're delivered in relation to the script. MGS1's script in 1998 was pretty groundbreaking in how it was localized, but by 2003 it actually sounded dated. This is also true with the voice actors, as in 1998 a lot of them were fresh newbies (aside from maybe Cam Clarke, Rob Paulsen, and Doug Stone) and were recorded in an amateur environment. For 1998 it sounded a lot better than most English game dubs. The problem with TS is that by 2003 everyone in the cast had tons of VO experience under their belts, and yet for TS they decided just to read the script verbatim with only a handful of mostly worse rewrites. At times it sounds like the actors are struggling to get their lines out because of having to deliver a super serious performance derived from a mostly dated hokey script, as if they're thinking to themselves "holy fuck how did I read this before?"

If anything, TS's new dub also needed a new revision of the script. Whether it was to more literal or more rewritten, I can't say.

>>6932914
Thief is technically a great game and certainly ahead of it's time but it's really fucking boring. It's EXTREMELY one note and browner than Quake. Deus Ex and even Dishonored are far better even if they sacrifice some stealth emphasis

>>6930070
The director of the cutscenes is japanese. Handpicked by kojima himself, one of his favoritea filma directors.
The game itself is fine. Mgs with more gameplay posibilities. It's fun to fuck around with the guards and stuff.

>>6933275
>The director of the cutscenes is japanese.
Ryuhei Kitamura is based.
https://youtu.be/wg7ljhZuJJc

>>6932969
I'm glad I am not the only one who hates Kojima. I never played Thief though, however I am a Splinter Cell chad and I find that Splinter Cell is better than Metal Gear Solid.

>>6929689
mgs """fans""" hate this game just because it's not on PS2. It's an improvement over the terrible wobbling mess on the negrostation. Voice acting is so much better that Kojima used it for the shadow moses flashbacks in MGS4.

>>6933393
>Splinter Cell
>chad

>>6934768
>Voice acting is so much better that Kojima used it for the shadow moses flashbacks in MGS4.
Only because the actual PS1 dialogue is too low-quality. Everything else references the original PS1 game and only that.

its fun, and it's not like its existence takes away from the original
it has lots of fun little details like the shootable mario and yoshi that have a lil one up effect when you shoot them, mgs2 gameplay is objectively better but it makes the game too easy, it's still extremely fun going through the mgs levels with the mgs2 moveset though

>>6935401
>Hating on Splinter Cell
t. Seething Kojima Incel

>>6934768
this is your brain on nintendo

>>6935436
rent free

Based mgs chads making thief and splinter cucks eternally seethe.

>>6932914
>pretend to be art by copying movies

The state of AAA video games since the PS1 era

>>6932914

>>6935446
Nope. Just speaking the truth.

>>6935536
you seem obsessed

>>6935401
Splinter Cell, Thief, Hitman are all better than Kojimashit.

>>6935829
make your own thread oh wait no one cares about those games.

>>6935468

>>6929689
Voice acting, music, scenes -> Original
Gameplay -> Twin Snakes

>>6932914
i like both :^)