/vr/ - Retro Games

Minecraft

albion or world of xeen

Ultima Underworld.

Tied between Dungeon Master 2 and Captive for me, both are amazing in terms of atmosphere and replayability. Black Crypt gets an honorable mention because it's so shiny.

>>687298
>Tied between Dungeon Master 2 and Captive for me, both are amazing in terms of atmosphere and replayability.
I wish this was true for DM2, it was actually my favorite game as a little kid, but it was incredibly short and I've never felt like replaying it ever again.

Anyway, I think that RoA: Shadows over Riva wins this for me. I still have to get around to play Star Trail, I've missed out on that one and it's supposedly even better.

No love for Wizardry ?

>>687363
>>687328 here, Wizardry 7 gets second place for me.

>>687328

>incredibly short

Yeah, true, especially compared to the beast that was the first game. I do like that it's short though, it encourages me to pick it up again. Captive is, well... that game basically doesn't end.

Don't the RoA games have third person turnbased style combat? That always turned me off of them.

>that fucking dungeon.

>>687385
>Yeah, true, especially compared to the beast that was the first game.
The first game wasn't very long either, but DM2 felt like maybe half of that. Couldn't have been more that about 8 hours of gameplay for sure.
>Don't the RoA games have third person turnbased style combat? That always turned me off of them.
Yes they do, and I like them for that, among other things. It just feels so much more interesting and strategical than the standard dungeoncrawler turn-based approach a la World of Xeen.

>>687385
>>687406
And speaking of Captive, I'm on the second base right now and I believe I got stuck right near the end, by the cores I'm supposed to blow up. The trouble is, I stepped on some switch that barricaded the way I got in there. I'm playing the PC version; is this one of those "unwinnable" bugs I've been hearing about or have I just plain fucked up somewhere on the way?

Earth quake in Legend of Grimrock is so frightening.

>>687406
Ultima had first person dungeons and third person combat in 3-5 after which they gave up on first person aside from the outstanding Underworld games.

>>687509
I know of this. Aside from perhaps 5 the combat in those was dogshit though. The Goldbox games and Dark Heart of Uukrul also had non-first person combat in otherwise first person games, and had it done much better.

>might and magic on sales on gog
which one should I play ?

>>687591
You should pirate them for free, since the devs have been bankrupt for a decade now. All of them apart from the first two are very easy to get into (they are pretty much entry-level oldschool RPGs after all), I personally recommend 6 but it's as good pick as any really.

What about this one ?

>>688039

itsn't the genre we're talking about...?

>>688143
It is.

>>688143
itsn't way to English................??????

>>688231
One or two of the Psychic Wars are in fact in english, if that's what you're trying to express here.

>>688153
Why is the view so tiny?
It reminds me of Mordor but there you had other info on the screen.

>>688153
>>688315
Man, you needed to have a lot of imagination back then.

>>688321
What do you need to imagine? All the information is there. You could do well without the sprites.

>>688291
No I'm making a joke on that posters typing style.

bump

I don't like this genre

when all my buttbuddies started to drool over EO I just couldn't understand what's so great about grindan mazes

I like World of Xeen, but fuck the dwarf mines.
I like Wizardry VIII, but fuck having one optimal build per class.
I like Shin Megami Tensei I, but fuck the gun trader bug the fan translation introduced.
I like LoL... No, wait. I fucking hate LoL.

>>690158
It's not particularily different from regular turn-based RPG gameplay. I take it that you hate classic RPGs?

Also
>writing off an entire genre based on EO
Fuck off and go play some Dungeon Master brah.

>>690173
>I like World of Xeen, but fuck the dwarf mines.
They're not mandatory, and you can skip them, or go back when you're high enough level to steamroll everything there.
Wiz 8 might have one "strongest" build per class, but it at least allows you to experiment, which is more than can be said about almost any other RPG really.
SMT1 had that extra patch that ironed out its translation bugs... and I don't get why aren't you complaining of "optimal builds" here too.

>>690175
I liked Might and Magic 6 onwards because you could actually go explore a large world
sitting in a boring ass maze is not for me

>>690187
That's only a matter of trivialities. Mazes have more walls than a large world, but are functionally the same - they're an area that you explore and fight monsters in.

Should I play Wizardry 7 or 8 ?

>>690824
You should play both.

Shin Megami Tensei 1 and 2, as well as Soul Hackers

Wizardry Series.

Playing Proving grounds right now.

5 days left in the gauntlet.

>>690926
How does Soul Hackers compare to 2?

>>690987
I can't really say. They're two different sub-series.
Soul Hackers 3DS is a lot like it's Saturn original, complete with framerate.
SMT2 is known to be the best mainline SMT not counting Nocturne
If you want faster combat, Soul Hackers
If you want deeper story, SMT2

>>690918
floppy version or cd version for 7 ?

Is there some crawler with turn-based combat but without random encounters?

>>687404
You're missing a spell.

>>691191
W-which one ?
I finished the game since.

>>691198
POING MORTEL since you seem to be french. It's behind a barred-door in Yvel.

>>691198
Also if you have questions about the game, you can ask. I noticed some of the threads you made earlier this week.

>>691212
Well, the only question I have now is:
Is Lands of Lore 2 good ?

>>691215
No.

>>691224
What a shame.

>>691215
It changed genre to first person 2.5D action/adventure with even less rpg elements - you control just one character. If you expect classic dungeon crawler, look elsewhere.
Most people seem to dislike it, but personally I liked it a lot.

>>691215
It's different but not bad. It keeps a similar humor and is pretty fun.. Until the Dracoid ruins... I fucking hate that place.

>>691249
>>691258
>>691224
I guess I will try Wizardry 7 then.

>>691037
Doesn't matter, as long as you're playing the original DOS version ("Wizardry 7") and not the crappy Wizardry Gold remake.

>>691337
Woops, that was the one I was installing >>691296

I will try to find a good dos version then.

I always forget to pirate Lands of Lore. I tried running the game alone but I couldn't get the right settings on dosbox so I guess I'm going to try to get the gog version.

>>691381

?

what problems are you having? the abandonia version has worked perfectly for me with default .74 settings.

>>691392

or, i guess i downloaded it from that site before they put up a "BUY IT" link for no goddamn reason

>>691406
Yeah, I got the cd version from some russian site and something was off. I can't remember what since was last year. Maybe I'll try later tonight with .74. I didn't have that dosbox version back then.

>>691381
If you want to pirate it, at least, pirate the GOG version.

Maybe I will skip this one and directly play Wizardry 8.

Is King's Field okay? Technically King's Field 2, but just released as King's Field in America.

I really enjoyed that one.

>>691429
i played the first few hours of that yesterday, found out that it was really good at making me forget and then remember again that it's a wizardry game. not a huge fan.

>>691445
i like king's field too, but i feel like it, like ultima underworld, are not really what people mean when they talk about "first person dungeon crawlers." it's more about building parties and busting out the graph paper.

>>691458
7 or 8 ?

>>691458
Yeah, I guess I get you. King's Field was pretty creepy for some reason. I accidentally skipped the text for the fisherman guy on the coast.

All he said to me was
"You'd better hurry"
And it creeped me the hell out. Is there a reason people don't have faces? I'd be happy with the weir shade textures like in MGS.

Am I the only one who felt Eye of the Beholder's combat felt obnoxious and not very good?

>running into a floor full of poisonous spiders
>cleric can't cure poison on her own for another few levels
>there's only a tiny handful of antidotes, only at the very end of the level
>poison doesn't naturally wear off, so sleeping is certain death -- you may as well just reload your game

>>691585
There is always a solution.

>>691429

I don't get why /vr/ hates Wiz 7 so much. I never see anyone here say anything good about it.

>>691598
>those portraits

>>691607
graphics didn't aged as well as Lands of lore.

>>691612
Oh god, why is that hot

>>691612

>>691607
What? Surely there are lots of people here who love it, it's just that it's pretty much taken for granted at this point.

>>691612
I'm using this picture for a /co/ traps vs /a/ traps image. Thank you.

>>691624
I wouldn't kiss a girl with such teeth.

>>691585
The spider section is the only obnoxious part of the game though, bear through it and the rest will be better.

>>691637

I already passed it actually. I last played deep down in the Drow caves, my save spot is in that giant teleporter nexus with like 7 or 8 portals.

I had no problem playing Wizardry 6 without any map at all, but I am fucking lost in EOB for not using graph paper. I worry the only way to get my bearings is to start over.

>>691653
Just get a map for that level from Google, better than outright starting over.

This thread has piqued my interest. What's the best first person dungeon crawler for beginners, /vr/? Preferably one that isn't too complicated and has aged well.

>>691661

I actually have the clue book, but it's sitting in my room at my parent's house, 2 and a half hours away (on good-traffic days).

>>691698
>aged well
Don't use that phrase again.

For turn-based ones, the easiest start is probably the Might & Magic games. Play 3-5 for the tile-based movement, 6-7 for free 360 degree movement. I'd recommend starting with either World of Xeen (4+5) or 6.
For real-time ones, Dungeon Master 1 and Eye of the Beholder 1-2.
>>691708
Then you have even less of an excuse to get a map from the internet, come on.

>>691726

I just don't want to do that on my very first playthrough. I feel dirty.

>>687328

>RoA: Shadows over Riva
>Star Trail

Do they even count as dungeon crawlers though? Aren't they just straight up rpgs? N-not to be autistic or anything...

>>691729
And the alternative is... looking into a clue book? Isn't that more or less the same thing?
>>691732
But dungeon crawlers are a (loosely defined) subgenre of RPGs.

>>691698
World of Xeen

>>691741

Well to me dungeon crawlers are well, just that. You derp around in a dungeon all the time and may or may not have a town to come back to to sell loot and stuff. There's no exploring of the world, just the dungeon. That's what always turned me off from crawlers

What's happening with the controls ?

>>691698
Lands of Lore 1.

>>691754
But there's very few that are restrained to just the dungeon. Ever since M&M1 and the Bard's Tale games came out, almost every single one has been incorporating non-dungeon segments into their games. Only notable exception is Dungeon Master and EotB.
>>691760
Huh? The controls are perfectly fine for me.

so whats the best to start with?

also, any Sci-fi or dark?

thanks /vr/ I love you

>>691765
I... can't move. Am I missing something ?

>>691779
What about this ? >>688153

>>691779
A notable sci-fi one is Captive and its sequel. Wizardry 6-8 and M&M also incorporate pretty significant sci-fi elements, although they mix it with fantasy.

You'll have to be more specific on "dark". Dungeon Master 2 has an awesome dark atmosphere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59x02BzI2UA

>>691789
Did you Alt+tab out of the game or something?

>>691803
Nevermind, fixed it. I put the game in DirectX 7 instead of opengl, and now, it work perfectly.

Is Legend of Grimrock dark ? I mean, you spend your time eating maggots and other disgusting shits.

>>691842
It's GrimDark

>>691823
Fair enough, enjoy the game. It's pretty awesome.

>>691853
Yep, I think I will enjoy this one, just after finishing Legend of Grimrock. So good to discover a new genre.

Anybody else find Might & Magic 2 to be kind of underrated? Almost everybody recommends skipping the first two, but this actually so far feels so much more challenging and "tactical" than any of them up until 6. I particularily miss the system of rows in the sequels. All while keeping the lighthearted storybook charm of Isles of Terra and the Xeen games.

Anvil of Dawn, generally not a fan of dungeon crawlers but it won my heart thanks to GoG.com, because it's easy to get into to.

>>692312

>pink

>>692338
muh favourite colour ;D

What's a good game in this genre to pop one's cherry? I h ave played and enjoyed both SMT1 and King's Field but I feel like those are kind of different than what most people are talking about.

>>692395
Anvil of Dawn is the easiest, I'd suppose

Hey is there any great dungeon crawlers for Genesis? I have Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder for SNES any others I need? What is the gameplay for Ultima like? And which are essential to have?

>>692434
Would also like to know whhat'd be the "essential" one.

Am not a fan of party RPGs though.

>>692395

>>692537

>strong, independent african-american womyn
>pink

Staph...

>>692560
>Staph...
nousssh...

Is this game a joke ? Just starting, and I'm in a dark dungeon where I can barely see anything, untill I light the torch, which cost a lot of mana. What am I supposed to do ? Where am I supposed to go ?
And what kind of combat is that ?

>>692569
I'd help you, but can't see shite, Sherlock :(

Have anyone played Hexx? It's the only Dungeon Crawler I had as a kid.

It's an old Psygnosis game for DOS released in 94. Not sure how it compares to other crawlers but I loved it..

>>692569
You're in the museum there's good shit all over the place there. Eventually you'll come across a room with four chambers, one of them with an unbroken hourglass. Break the hourglass, then keep an eye on the walls in the room.

>>692609
wat

>>692395
You want similar to SMT1, play Wizardry and M&M.
You want similar to King's Field, play Ultima Underworld.

>>687224
Does Skeleton+ count?

>>692609
>Eventually you'll come across a room with four chambers
four chambers branching off it.*

It helps to not exclude important bits of information when you're typing...

>>692586
Seemed promising at first but the auto combat fucking ruined it, and turned it into what's essentially a Wolfenstein clone without shooting or any proper player initiative in fighting for that matter.

>>692619
You have a map.

My description makes sense if you add >>692635. You'll see what I mean.

>>692569
>Hm
>ho
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>hm
>ho
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>>692642
Hm, I should probably replay it sometime because I don't remember any of that. I've heard it was a pretty bad game from other too... still, nostalgia.

>>692569
Just increase brightness.

>>692696
Doing that will just give you a washed-out grey screen to look at instead of a nearly black screen.

And now, I'm in a forest with cats doing I don't know. Welp, I understand now why not everybody like this sequel.

>>692705
There is not much you can do then. Break all urns, two of them have ivory chips that raise max mana.
Explore whole area, it has few good weapons, some consumables and spells.
This area is basically optional, before you get to next dark dungeon you'll have enough mana to spam spark constantly.
Also, some of the items you find are worth keeping throughout whole game

>>692770
You're given a hint on what to do like ten steps in...

I was ten when I first played through it, and I had no real trouble figuring it out.

>>692787
Yep. By the way, the Dracoid ruins and dark monastery are prime bullshit. I've never liked them.

>>691487
King's Field has amazing atmosphere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyIjbs_TPgM

>>691803
For some reason, I prefer the music in the Amiga version of DM2 more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqjbtkBFvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQVlguJBI8

>>692770
Btw, you can turn on mouselook, but it's not really straightforward, you have to mess around with various "toggle" keybinds. I can't remember how exacly I managed to configure it

test

>>692907
Yeah, but I think I will just uninstall it.

>>691760
>Drizbach

Good lord. Is he the one that's always going on about the bagavahd gita? I had him in my party but all details are hazy.

Dungeoneering music ready:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtqLs4Iu9xc

>>695235
Dunno.

I'm in the prison in Legend of Grimrock, I suppose I'm not far of the end now, right ?

>>696048
Ending is gonna be a "WAT" moment. At least I thought as much of the boss fight and conclusion. Might be funny tho.

>>696058
Just finished.
Well, that surprised me, but I think it was great.
And now, time for Wizardry 8.

>>696048
yes.

Quick, can someone tell me the big difference between Legend of Grimrock and Dungeon Master ?

>>699873
The character development system, and the magic system.

>>699985
more precisely ?

>>699998
Which one do you want to know about, DM or LoG?

DM has a free class system, everybody can be good in everything. There are four classes (Fighter, Ninja, Priest, Wizard) and you can have any number of them at once, each one levels up individually.
LoG has fixed classes per character and you get 4 skill points per level to distribute into ~7 skills, the choice of which again is hardset per class.

Both utilize a spell system based on combining runes, but in LoG you have a single table of 9 runes that you combine, whereas in DM there are four tables, and you only pick one per table for a spell. The spells always have at least two components, but not necessarily more - the first table determines strength of the spell, and the other three the specific spell you want to cast.

Oh, and the alchemy system is different too - in LoG any character can mix potions, and you need ingredients to do this; in DM, potion making is a priest specialty, to make a potion he must cast a potion spell (requires mana, no ingredients) while he has an empty flask in hand.

>>700029
thanks!

Why I always feel like I walk in diagonal in Might and Magic 6 ?

>>700218
I think it's because of the engine. Similar stuff happens in Ultima Underworld and Daggerfall. I believe I heard somewhere that it's because the raycast engines they use utilize only 256 degrees/directions instead of 360, to be more power efficent.

>>700241
Is there no way to fix it ? It's a serious deal breaker for me.

>>700258
You'll get used to it, I sure did.

Maybe the Greyface patch fixes it, I don't know, never noticed it.

In ever beat any of them and I didn't play a lot to begin with because my short attention span makes it harder to get into these kind of games but I enjoyed Eye of The Beholder.

By the way, do you guys know any program that could be used to mapping? Mapping with a pen and paper is slightly tedious.

>>695240

Goddam, that's a perfect track.

>>700489
>By the way, do you guys know any program that could be used to mapping? Mapping with a pen and paper is slightly tedious.
Good question... Anvil of Dawn luckily has an automap + able to make notes.

>naming your party with hilarious names

I know I'm not the only one who does this.

>>700540
The closest thing I found was this but I don't like using an browser based one. The rest of the mapping software I found were pretty much focused on DnD and weren't comfortable to use for mapping dungeon crawlers.

http://dungeon-map-ed.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dungeon-map-ed/index.html

>>700550
Bampsu for MOAR

>>700550
What about just using Legend of Grimrock editor ?

>>700958
Don't own the game, so I'll just DL it & test out the Dungeon Editor. Thanks for the tip, it looks easy to use!

>>700958
>Legend of Grimrock editor
I didn't think about that. I don't really like the idea of using an editor of another game for this but I might give it a shot.

Is Megami Tensei for Famicom good?

>>701510
Do you know moon?

>>701510
Is there any downloadable translation for this thing?
There's a dropped Aeon Genesis project that was on 85% but the dude never uploaded it.

>>701520
Well, I'm learning

>>701586
Then maybe you could try it out and find out for us. All that I know about it is that it's allegedly bullshit hard and inferior to MT2.

Wizards & Warriors!

>>701656
How does it compare to Wiz 7 & Wiz 8?

>>687224
warriors of eternal sun

>>701684
I don't exactly understand this game. I've tried it for a while and it seemed like an extremely simplified Dark Sun: Shattered Lands.

What's the best way to resurrect a member in Wizardry 8 ?

>>701717
IIRC the first chance you get are resurrection potions in Arnika.

>>701743
I may have that but it's unidentified.

>>701684
I'm digging the UI.

>>701717
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>>700518
Here's the rest of it, friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B54XWLdGS84

I regard it as pretty much the perfect soundtrack to any dungeon crawler.

>>704309
>28 minutes
I know what I'm using next when I play a dungeon crawler with no music.

>>703896
>i'm a spamming faggot

>>695240
>>704309
I for one think that this doesn't fit the game at all. Who'd put dancefloor music into an ancient sewer?

>>701717
I don't think Wizardry 8 gets enough credit.
Its probably the most advanced game of the genre. I'd love to see another one like it.

>>692312
Same here. Same character too, although I see you turned him into a warrior for some bizarre reason.

Dungeon Hack.
It was the first rogue-like I ever played, over a decade before I knew what a rogue-like was.

>>707236
With slashing 8, earth 10 (fist + stoneskin) & water 10 (shackles of ice), he's pretty much been invincible to this point...

>>700540
>Good question... Anvil of Dawn luckily has an automap + able to make notes.
Can't you just draw on your smartphone or tablet? Use any painting application and draw lines for corridors, with easy marks for obstacles, like / for a door, \ for a pit or some such: - for a closed door, several lines for ladders etc.

>Wizardry on GOG
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>709043
You mean you haven't played it yet?

>>708942
>Can't you just draw on your smartphone or tablet
That's troublesome, even Pen and Paper would be more comfortable.

I found a setup that kind of works. I marked the map window as always on top, unlocked the mouse and configured the game to work with AWSD. Mapping is a little tedious but this is the best I can get I guess.

>>703896
No ?
The ui isn't streched.

>>704309
Anything more like this? Let's make a list or something so I'd have something to play in the background when there's no sound.

>>709517
What about just printing it ?

>>710020
Printing a map? Where's the fun in that? I'm mapping as I go along. It's tedious but fun.

>>710020
He's painting the map in >>700550 . He's not using a pre-painted map.

wizardry 6

althoght i was too young when i first played it

>>710047
>I'm mapping as I go along. It's tedious but fun.
Oh gawd, been doing that more than a couple days now for Anvil of Dawn (along with notes)...

Almost finished methinks -_-'

>>710518
Shit, of course I forgot something after glancing at it.... GAWD DAYMN IT, DAMN YOU DUNGEON CRAWLERS

>>701717

>drizbach
>that boss pipe

>>710531
I swear, some of these games have brutal dungeon design. Some of them I never even beaten because of it. But that's just me being a casual.

>>710554
Isn't this from that "clockwise" chamber perchance?

>>710591
Honestly, I don't remember since that screenshot was taken a long time ago.

>Try mapping the map
>go through a long corridor and eventually reach a place where there's supposed to be a wall
Fuck these games are confusing to map.

>>714043
Try doing it with MSpaint when the game has an automap... ARRRRRGH

>>714060
Sounds rough. I'm half considering using "THE ALL-SEEING EYE" which is an auto-mapper for EoTB.
How many floors does this game have anyway?

>>714069
Which game are you referring to?

>>714090
Eye Of The Beholder.

>>714097
Looky what I found! :D

http://outspaced.fightingfantasy.org/PDFs/EOB_Maps.pdf

>>714104
If you are going to cheat, then why play it at all?

>>714193
Am not cheating, just found that bit.

Am currently mapping for Anvil of Dawn (during my 1st play through) for future ones with a different characters.

>>707162
Haven't you heard of Grimoire? Hopefully it gets released by the end of May