/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
450ml of /vr/ (for Blood)
Deadline: November 10th
Rules: >>6902484
MAPEDIT: https://archive.org/details/BloodMapedit
Discord: https://discord.gg/NfFP9Pu


=== NEWS ===
[9-24] Sigma-X demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/113488-sigma-x-5-maps-demo-version-is-out/

[9-23] Aleph One 1.3 released
https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone/releases/tag/release-20200830

[9-22] UT patch v469a released
https://github.com/OldUnreal/UnrealTournamentPatches/releases/tag/v469a

[9-22] Supplice is going standalone
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2191397

[9-22] REKKR released for Bethesda ports (marking the first TC for them)
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/6DwHg8z3MyajHvx0rVmsEi

[9-21] Microsoft acquires Zenimax (including Bethesda & id)
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/21/welcoming-bethesda-to-the-xbox-family/

[9-21] Woof! 2.3.0 released
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/

[9-21] Doom II: 25 Years on Earth: One Year Late edition has been uploaded to idgames
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/ph_25yoe

[9-21] New Arcane Dimensions version teased.
https://twitter.com/BafuBal/status/1307445748401876992

[9-20] Demo for Ashes: Afterglow is out.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=69612

[9-19] (Saturn homebrew) HELLSLAVE SAGE 2020
https://sonicfangameshq.com/forums/showcase/hellslave-project-z-treme.724/

[9-18]
Widescreen resources from the Unity ports officially released
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/3cq6YIMrlRw6Yqt9uiDGFb

[9-17] Anon is working on a street judge mod:
>>6886250
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3umgt25rd9d3r6j/MEG-1.pk3?dl=0

[9-16] Quake 1 Remastered Soundtrack out on vinyl
https://store-uk.nin.com/products/quake-vinyl

[9-14] La tailor girl updated to 1.76C:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=420#p1165358

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Half Life suxx

A comeback for heretic or singleplayer quake stuff would be great, but with Raven being a CoD machine and Id investing in more nuDoom and nuWolf stuff i highly doubt we seeing anything like that in the near future. Would love to be wrong about it tho.

>>6919049
as long as there is life, there is hope

>>6919005
>If anything, Doom's setting is interesting because of a lack of lore
>You look at the textures and sprites and realize the setting is more unique than most people give credit for, while probably telling a more interesting story than what you'd find in 2016/Eternal codexes
>Doom mods/wads/etc that aren't about other media or OC's are a good example of how interesting Doom's aesthetic can be, because it's both simple and complex enough to warrant content creation potential like a brush and canvas
>If you wanted to "expand" the "Doomverse", just look at the repository in Realm667, people actually tried to embrace Doom's weird look and actually believe in it, instead of rebooting it
>Doom was rebooted a few times and changed developers, both in and outside of id itself, while having a "reinterpretable" image that anyone has their own unique view on

Agreed on all accounts, endless fragments of texts cannot replace the environmental storytelling aspect that the aesthetics of the classics possesses.

>>6919049
What do you think about Graven?

I always love when wads include a custom endoom pic, I feel like they get overlooked by most people.

>>6919065
In general, Doom had/still kinda has a fanbase that goes "if i want it, i could make it" which explains a lot of good stuff
Don't get people wanting a Halo/Doom crossover when chances are Doomguy in KI or a Chief skin in Eternal: Both are weak and the former is a disservice when you'd want both FPS franchises in an FPS
Western game companies in general aren't very collaborative with crossovers, compared to Japanese ones
If Samsara and MetaDoom mean anything, the best fanservice is done by actual fans, even if with some obsessed nerds when official id fanservice ranges from surface level references to something poorly researched to Quake Champions not even hyping up the fact it's the first game with the "id trio" in it
Samsara had some tech limitations at the time but in general, these mods can add the obscure shit they want because they assume there's more to it than just the public perception of these games, while also not dealing with trademark bullshit
If anything, just make some TC with both enemies and weapons from both franchises somehow
Doom and Halo may not share a lot in common gameplay-wise, but at least try make your dream crossover yourself when the real thing may pale in comparison, in the end
Doom has like the best modding ever, for fuck's sake

>>6919121
2048 has a great one.

>>6919170
That is a great one.

>>6919005
>You look at the textures and sprites and realize the setting is more unique than most people give credit for
I think you're very right about this, Doom has a particularly gritty sci-fi aesthetic with a very lived in and used future feel. I've always liked Evilution a lot (in spite of some of its flaws), because it leans even more on that aesthetic.

>>6919121

>>6919134
There is a halo doom wad that sucks.
Also: Project MSX
Not Halo in name but inspired by it

>>6919223
Doom being low tech also explains why some objects are simple and "outdated" but still fit the setting
With something like blue carpeted floors, you could even mix the themes of UAC and Earth, meaning there's another method of fusing assets without Hell corruption logic

>>6919224
Why do they have these atari-looking dithered squares? Are they a different format than other doom graphics?

>>6919279
Yeah. I like how UAC has an abundance of old shotguns for weaponry, like they just bought shipping containers uppon shipping containers of old used shit that's been sitting in some warehouse since the 20th century, like "It's good enough, it's not like we'll need them anyway, right? They were cheap."

>>6919282
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/ENDOOM

this pretty much explains the limitations/construction of the image

>>6919203
> DOOM'S end screen used to be cool

new bread thank

Q2 really had some "interesting" stuff when it came to custom monster skins

>>6919018

>>6919387

>>6919387
>>6919398
This is a map that could fit perfectly in Hexen and heretic

>>6919327
source of it, i had to edit abit
http://www.oocities.org/timessquare/hangar/9917/files.html
https://www.oocities.org/timessquare/hangar/9917/NEWS.HTML

>>6919387
>>6919398
man when the fuck are all these gorgeous looking mapsets releasing

>>6919387
>>6919398
it's so... green

Does anybody here have experience with MagicaVoxel? I am thinking of using it for making 3D models and basically have instant sprites.

>>6919546
what does it do?

>>6919546
Stuff like Solace Dreams looks great but seems most people have performance issues with voxels

>>6919019
>[9-23] Aleph One 1.3 released
>Improved mouse control options, with settings for Classic and Modern mouse control
FINALLY that was one of the most frustrating parts of AO

>>6919607
You make 3D models with voxels, so at least for the 1/3/5/7 frames you could simply screencap the model and instantly had your sprite.

>>6919610
>>6919619
Ah Nvm thats a purtty gud idea

>>6919546
>instant sprites
you're gonna have to redo the whole model each frame though, no? without skeletal animation or nothing? I don't see how that speeds anything up.

>>6919643
True, but having to do each frame only once instead of for every single angle would still save time, wouldn't it?

>>6919651
learn a real program

>>6919657
...such as?

>>6919514
What's that mapset anon?

>>6919663
blender

>>6919665
I knew you would say that. I will find you and kill you.

>>6919664
elementalism

>sprawling GZDoom level with intricate details, 3D skyboxes, bridges, and dynamic lights, looks like it was made for something else entirely
>load it up and see the same imps and pinkies from 1993 aimlessly shuffling about these giant techno-arenas
>chuckle

>>6919716
Wad name?

>>6919715
Thank you!

>check in on the 450ml discord after a week of being offline
>expect to see some faggotry but at least some screens and progress
>it now has some girl attention whoring with a black CALARTS profile pic and twitch memes

wew lads fuck this let's just do a doom project without gaycord

>>6919751
Stop being a bunch of spineless faggots and kick the bitch out

>>6919751
Gross. What is it about discord that attracts these types?

>>6919751
Whats wrong in the project? Who's that attention gathering pair of female attributes?

>>6919751
He or she or whatever hasnt done anything except post about mapping for the project. You're the true faggot here for whining about someone having an avatar you dont like. Fuck off with the shit stirring.

>>6919785
So no need to worry about the project?

I'll make a GZDoom version of the Citadel for my broke dudes.

>>6919790
with c kid as a playable class

>>6919769
i dont know, reading the channels it seems the only people who are doing anything are the guy who organized it, some other guy who was making that museum map, and surprisingly the ?girl?. there are like 10 people with a "mapper" role but most of them haven't posted anything.

>>6919785
>wahhhhh stop insulting my gf
does ?she? even browse here? I don't want a mission from them included if they don't, especially with this cancerous twitch attitude.

>>6919751
If you are so damn bothered by it, then go to Telegram, Tox, or Zdaemon forums.

>A little over 1000 downloads for all my Quake 2-maps and units combined on moddb now

It's a start.

>>6919610
Part of this is because GzDoom displays fake voxels by plain just rendering 1x1x1 3D models, hence I think that 9 times out of 10, it would be a better idea to just do a 3D model which looks like it's made out of voxels, and use that instead of letting GzDoom parse voxel data into its really inefficient faux voxels.

>mancubodes

>>6919858
I believe that to be the correct terminology, yes.

>>6919850
i'm surprised no one did this for the enemies

>>6919868
keep believing that

>>6919868
Mancubode sounds like a place where a mancubus lives, not a term for a group of them.

>>6919872
Thanks, I will.

>>6919878

any good examples of giant bosses in doom?
whether or not it's even like a better executed icon of sin?

>>6919843
congratz quakewulf

>>6919850
>>6919869
Chillo is doing that

Any melee focused WADS? be either weapons or enemies,I already have GMOtA,Thy blood consumed,Omega Zero and Doom Eternal slayer

>>6919751
>>6919810

>needless bitching about discord
>calarts

I'm afraid you're the attention whore here. Anons, fetch the rope.

>>6919967
>good examples
not sure if they are 'good' by your definition but I know several
>stylish hell
>thecraftytitan doomhack
>mother demon icon of sin replacer
>eviternity

>>6919984
Bitter Heretic and Medieval Doom

>>6919994
>needless bitching about discord
pozzcord only barely won the poll for a reason, no one wants to use a service ran by furries that can ban you for even the slightest wrongthink. I only joined cause I heard the Deathwish dude was in there and I wanted to take in some wisdom from him. I'm a bit upset he uses an imac and seems to discourage people from trying out ideas and to "keep it simple".

>calarts
yes, it's basically the equivalent of tumblr and it's easy to tell those kinds of individuals are the biggest attention seeking faggots you'll ever meet ever met. Just looking in one of the channels she's giving a play by play of every room and texture she applies to her basic map. Also some "pog"s are sprinkled in.

>>6919984
Demonsteele is kind of meleeish,except hit scanners will fuck you over even with mercy invincibility

>>6920054
>pozz
>wrongthink
>tumblr

Oh god it gets even worse

>>6920075
>LUL.gif
you need to go back

>>6920085

>>6919049
Don't see why they can't look at the current fps market and outsource a smaller scaled game to the people making quality FPS games today. Why does a new Heretic need to be AAA shit

>>6920090
>>6920075

>>6920107
>unironically uses the "word" "wrongthink"
>calls others reddit

bruh look at this dude

>>6920120
>bruh

>>6920130
Ah so you're a pedophile as well.

>>6919843
Gibe maps. Been looking for Q2 shit and it's hard to find anything.

>>6920120
Not me by the way, nice try

go back

>>6920136
Oh don't worry you can kill yourself too.

>>6920132
nah i like curvy milfs

Should I play the original Doom 64 or the remake?

>>6920145
The port if you want good controls and framerate.

>>6919751
>>6919810
>>6920054
I mean yeah she's a bit attention seeking but it's ok cause she's at least making a map so maybe she's just excited. Don't be a fucking annoying faggot in here though you're just shitposting in the thread.

>>6920145
If by remake you mean source port, it's better in every way. It's completely accurate while having consistent 60FPS, widescreen etc.

>>6920145
The port also got some extra stuff...so go for it.

>>6920145
Also, it's 5 bucks.

>>6920145
Port has extra levels and KBM controls.

>My overriding memory will be Tim’s fantastically succinct summation of the difference between Classic DOOM and DOOM 3 as moving from “I’m fucked!” to “I’m fucked in the dark!”

>>6920141
Funny you tell someone to kill themselves when your tranny gf there is the biggest threat of that happening so don't trigger her man!

go back

>>6920175

please stop doing this
just talk about the fucking video games

>>6920176
This comic is too autistic to comprehend, no more discord drama please.

Can you two shut the fuck up holy shit.

Why are build engine autists so fucking annoying?

>>6920145
Port or Retribution

guys

it's only game

why do have to be mad

>>6920192
Do you want to play Doom 64 or GZDoom with a Doom 64 skin?

>>6920182
I agree, leave the sisterfuckers to rot.

>>6920192
Retribution is literally just a conversion to GZDoom. It probably shouldn't be considered accurate.

I'll make sure to draw more Hedon and other characters, like SQUARE.
but I might need a list of all the doom mod mcs

>>6920191
This place keeps getting worse, we need mods to start cracking down on these off-topic shitflings.
I've been playing Shadow Warrior on and off for the first time, just got to Level 18. I think I've at last fully gotten used to the game's difficulty (playing Who Wants Wang) and now I'm really enjoying myself. I need to try using the railgun/head/ripper heart more often though, I can't bring myself to use them instead of instinctively going for the staple weapons.
Are the SW expansions any good? I'm a bit cautious after playing the Duke expansions (Carribean was great I mean, just the other ones).

>>6920182
Are they gone anon? Can we talk about the funny skelliboys again?

Is there a sourceport that's good for redneck rampage? Never played it before...heard nothing good about it...so why not give it a try?

> jpcp
> load up map 29
> trying to figure out wtf is happening
> intentional missing textures to mess with player
> level looks like a bomb hit it
> nirvana starts to play

this fucking wad

>>6920259
I think it works with eDuke. I haven't played it but I hear there's a mod that makes the really tiny keys a lot larger to make the game more playable.

>>6920259
BuildGDX maybe.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Redneck_Rampage#Source_ports

>>6920259
I think there's support for it on BuildGDX

>>6920246
They're both alright but nothing special. Wanton is probably better.

>>6920259
As the others have said use BuildGDX

>>6920269
That map was made by the same person behind Doom Radys.

>>6920054
True, Discord admins are often ideologcally biased, and some of them just might be pedophiles. However, the way I see it, its not completely beyond salvaging. If petitioning them on charge.org or petition.net to stop unfairly banning servers for simple ""problematic"" words or certain themes won't work, then either move on to Telegram, tox, riot, Skype or Zulip, or if one is daring enough. pay someone to kill at 50-75% of the admins, thus causing the remaining admins and developers to seriously consider selling their ownership of Discord to another party.

>>6920229
Haelin and Shihong (Demonsteele)
Blaz and Kustam (GMOTA)
Daina, Sewie and Nari (La Tailor Girl)
C. Kid (D-Radys)
Demo-chan (SWWMGz)
Square (Adventures of Square)
Scott and Rebecca (Wool Ball series)

>>6920259
BuildGDX and RedNukem.

>>6920215
It's not about me, is it? Though I'd image either would be better than emulation idk never bothered. Personally I'd use Retribution with optional animations. The port is lovely though

>>6920225
I'm not autistic enough to care about tick rates

>>6920270
>>6920271
>>6920273
>>6920279
Thank you. I think I try it with BuildGDX first.

>>6920269
>tatsurd the cacocaco
is this a typo?

>>6920307
Everything alright anon?

>>6920287
sorry this is new to me. what's the appropriate place to download it? googling gives me weird trollish stale zdoom threads with dead links

>>6920323
That's his actual alias.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Tatsuya_Ito_(Tatsurd-cacocaco)

Funnily enough he was the first time I heard Japan had a Doom scene.

>>6920326
Seems this is the latest version http://onomutilok.blog.shinobi.jp/doom/%E4%BB%8A%E6%97%A5%E3%81%AEd-radys_229

>>6920330
But why tatsurd?? It sounds like Turd.

>>6920249

>>6920330
and of course his personal website looks straight out of 1995.

http://tatsurdcacocaco.ninja-web.net/

>>6920054
>ran by furries that can ban you for even the slightest wrongthink
You know they're not omnipotent, right? They really only do much policing in large and wide open servers. There's plenty of stuff going around on Discord which the staff doesn't approve of, but doesn't know where it happens.
There's a lot to criticize the service for, believe me, but the mods aren't as far reaching as they seem.

>I'm a bit upset he uses an imac and seems to discourage people from trying out ideas and to "keep it simple".
Considering this is a newbie project by people who have never made levels for Build in their lives, is that bad advice?

>>6920339
tatsu = 立つ = stand
stand + rd = standard

>>6920324
Yup thanks baby girl

>>6920345
I've read about auto bans for gamer words, could be fake but wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't

>>6920363
It's fake. I hang out in a server where people say nigger all the time and they're still around. Unless it's a special thing you opt in for.

>>6920363
Must have slipped past those autobans every time then, for many years, my main server isn't all that concerned with being politically correct, there are many heated gamer moments.
If it's a private server which you can't just go find a link somewhere to join, in which you would have to be specifically invited, they will not know what is going on there.

I mean, there's actual child groomers using Discord, and they get away with it by knowing how to hide from staff, and/or by being staff themselves.

Just finally got around to playing 2048 /vr/. Overall I liked it a lot, some maps were really good but a few were kind of bad. I wrote up some >opinions.
https://pastebin.com/U9pP90zf
inb4 nobody asked

>fixes your protagonist

Nice port, Kaiser. I mean, in earnest, it's mostly good, but the BFG9000 will occasionally do weird shit like this to layered liquid flats in some levels, doesn't seem quite consistent in how it fucks it up, just that it does. I also had something similar happen in Watch Your Step, where on some of these layered moving surfaces the flats were swapped.

I think my primary complaint is that I can't skip the 45 seconds of corporate logos when starting up the game, 45 very LOUD seconds.
Other than that, I like it.

>>6920386
I'm always interested in hearing what people say about the maps.
V1.3 should be done soon, hit a brief slowdown.

>>6920054
>seems to discourage people from trying out ideas and to "keep it simple"
My map for the project is the first map I'm making for Build and already I can tell that with all its features it's easy to get carried away detailing rooms and trying to do cool scripted sequences. It gets in the way of finishing maps in a reasonable amount of time.
Dude's the author of the biggest Blood mod in terms of content, I'd wager he knows how to get things done.

>>6920401
There's some weirdness with bethesda.net implementation as well. It got erroring out whilst trying to sign in. Had to open another of the Doom ports to agree to the new terms and conditions to make it go away on 64. Weird shit.

>>6920386
>also the invisible revenant after the first trap was a bit cheap.
Yeah, sorry about that. I need to figure how to make more difficult maps, mine always turn out too easy.

>>6920396
REVY??

>>6920135
Units:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/sonic-mayhem
http://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/older.zip

Maps:
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1260231966957481984
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1236471977180893185
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1246607012131221505
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1211331998968619008

And here's one of my maps-folders:
http://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/

>>6920386
Nice to see you like my maps. Well, Vehement Onslaught is what it is, it's existence as a level is actually pretty retarded and I should have cut my losses and thrown that map in the bin considering how much faster my better maps were to make, I could have made more extra levels which were better to play instead.

>Textures for the switches on the arch vile pillar
are misaligned which is unfortunate
Those are offset intentionally, doesn't look the best, but it doesn't look any worse than centering them either, IMO.

>>6920371
>It's fake.
>>6920380
>they will not know what is going on there

Seems like it, read that shit a while ago there would be more stories about getting b&

>>6920363
>>6920371
>>6920380
Realistically speaking there are so many servers they would have to monitor it'd be too much for to do. As long as you are in a private server and don't hand out the link to someone who would be of the reporting type then don't worry about it.

>>6920426
Different guy, but I like the surprise boner because of how rude and uncalled for it is.

>>6920445
This, some places are 24/7 loliramas.

Dealing with pedos was half the reason I ditched my old discord. Give those fuckers an inch and they'll take a mile.

I think i may had found out a good upscaling shenanigans for Q2 and Upwards
https://imgur.com/a/FavEn69
>also pic test

>>6920386
Doomguy and samus shipping is literally Gintoki and The Drunk Terminator and Gorilla of Yoshiwara Tsukuyo of Gintama

>>6920135
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h903yx4ebv19oge/AABuB38MjMrcT9Ysdg9mDMaXa
https://www.gamefront.com/games/quake-2?files_page=1
https://www.quaddicted.com/webarchive/hotel.planetquake.gamespy.com/q2.htm
https://www.quakewiki.net/archives/retroquake.planetquake.gamespy.com/blog/index30d3.html?page_id=4
http://www.3dgamersedge.com/spq2lvlreviews.html
http://quake2.com/

>>6920487
what if someone shipped baratus/fighter with the amazon from dragon's crown?

>>6920487

Allright Bittermans, we are in the green and ready to go!

>>6920645
Are those followers or players?

>>6920707
Oblivion has "bots" that starts with you using the same skin as your atm
also fuck me this, model is better than gigapixel for Q2 stuff.

>>6920305
Thanks I'll have to play these wads besides Radys since I already have.

>>6920337
I can't access it, says something about ads?

>>6920743
Works fine for me with uBlock Origin. Do you have any anti-antiadblock lists running on whatever you use?

>>6920749
just usin' ublock origin

>>6917751
Holy fuck I did not expect that.

>>6920743
>>6920337
http://www.mediafire.com/file/z6rlmxdv5z7h5cl/file
Nabbed it and uploaded it.

She will always reach for the skies
its an edit using the QC model screenshot from facepunch, but i must say is kinda good for future stuff if anyone wants to try it

>>6920716
>>6920846
Nice, never tried Q2 getting new rig so ill probably check it out

>>6919984
Heretical Doom can be played with a large focus on the melee staff and gauntlets

yooo /vr/

a long time ago a guy was making something called

FIREBREAK

And he had this title screen he mocked up

Are you still around? I'm thinking of releasing the music I did for this way back when, as well as a bunch of other MIDI tracks I've done over the years, and would like to use this cover - is that cool?

Which doomguy would steal fizzy lifting drinks

>>6921148
the comic one

>>6921148
>HEH-HEHHHHHHHH heard in the distance

>>6921267
YOU STOLE FIZZY LIFTING DRINKS, you BUMPED into the map's ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized by the demons SO YOU GET, NO KEY. You LOSE. GG SIR.

>>6919134
Whats funny, and people In here may not want to admit it.

But Halo was the last big AAA popular fps that designed enemies in the same way doom does.

It's gameplay is too complicated in terms of direct mechanics to have the same kind of fan creations that Doom has(ie level design having such an immediate impact on gameplay qualify), focusing more on party game style custom game stuff, but it is literally an arena shooter that's slow as molasses.

canonical meat packers.

>>6921283
Hedon turned out to be surprisingly good, I would say. Beat it with barely any savescumming (can't recall where I saved, but it was to skip long and boring encounter, otherwise autosaves were good enough), though there's a certain shortage of health and overabundance of ammo on default difficulty.

>>6921267
"You seen those flyin' skulls man?"

>want to try mapping
>fear I am not creative enough
Is it possible to learn to be creative or something?

>>6921320
Just see what works for you or get inspiration from other maps.

>>6921320
There are far more worse wads out there, just look at wow.wad.

>>6921320
neither was id software
look at Quake II; levels are 95% crates

>>6920396
m-mommy

>>6920386
>Samus and not Crash
Lame.

>>6921320
Well, I figure for some people they may need to figure out how to express it. One of the things you need to do is to analyze levels to learn the hows and whys.

Think about your favorite iwad maps, then think about why they are your favorites, why they are fun to play, why they are a good challenge, why they look cool to you, etc, you want to break down why they are good, then start theorizing how you can apply the logic of these things to construct a concept and method for the kind of level that you want to make.
Now, think about some levels, they could be pwad levels, hell, they could be of an entirely different game altogether, the levels that you REALLY do not like, your least favorite FPS levels you've ever played. Ponder why it is that you don't like them, maybe they're really plain and boring, maybe they're really confusing and tedious, maybe the gameplay is really annoying. Break these things down to learn why you think this, to see how you can avoid doing these things.

Plutonia is widely liked as a mapset, but you'll note if you analyze it that it's in design very derivative of Doom and Doom 2 levels, it's full of homages to the original levels, all over the place, you can't go a single level without seeing some Romero, Sandy, or McGee. This isn't the most creative thing in the world, but it's also not bad, because clearly it works very well. Consider making a very short set of levels where you take inspiration from your favorite iwad levels, combine and mix concepts. Make the levels hard, hard for you, so you feel like winning is a struggle, but not so hard that you yourself couldn't beat the level in one go without having to save and reload.

>>6921356
Quacke 2 was robot carmack going on his own without Romero, Doom 1 is probably their best mapping, Quake 1 was them throwing everything at the wall and stitching it together, probably a lot of interesting maps lost on the cutting room

>>6921356
By the time of Quake 2 though both Sandy and Romero was gone, so that was two of their best mappers. Also the cratespam is mostly in the earlier levels.

>>6921370
>Sandy
>best mapper

experienced, yeah but half the shit maps in doom 2 are his

>>6921376
There's only a few levels in Doom 2 which truly suck:
>The Factory
>Downtown
>Nirvana
>Bloodfalls
Three out of four of these are Sandy's, now lets look at levels of his which range from Good to Fantastic:
>Dead Simple (also credited with McGee, but nothing of his original pitch survives in the final version, it's unclear what part he had in it)
>Tricks & Traps
>Refueling Base (old Tom Hall draft which Sandy refurbished, some of the best Sandy and Romero levels in Doom 1 were based on his drafts)
>The Courtyard
>Barrels O' Fun
>The Chasm (admittedly contentious, a lot of people hate this level, but a lot of people also love it)
>Monster Condo
>The Spirit World

When it comes to levels which aren't great, but also not atrocious, and are just kind of ok, maybe slightly subpar, maybe a little bit better than mediocre, you see representation with McGee and Romero, as well as Shawn, even though McGee and Romero mostly contributed good or great levels.

>>6921376
Why does nobody remember that like half the maps in Doom 1 were his too?

>>6921416
>Barrels O' Fun

>>6921426
This. BoF is fine, but I wouldn't call it good, especially since the gimmick only lasts half the level.

https://store.steampowered.com/curator/32080969-SevenSixTwoZeroSeven/list/56903

Rate my taste?

>>6921450
Why do they keep drawing nuWang instead of original grandpa Wang?

>>6921491
nuWang is more canon

https://store.steampowered.com/curator/32080969-SevenSixTwoZeroSeven/list/60508

>>6921416
>Tricks & Traps
No, I have nirvana over it every day.

>>6921450
Anyway, there is literally no reason to not pirate anything published by "id", because there's no one left who worked on those games, it's just an empty shell that Zenimax waves around to lure in the idiots. If you want to support original devs, buy a pizza for Carmack or some hair products for Romero.

>>6920330
here's something the wiki doesn't mention. about seven or eight years ago he started putting up single segment youtube videos of him manhandling sunder. people on dw accused him of using a tas port. he asked how to prove he was legit and was given a link to a daily build of zdoom to run it in instead. in less than two hours uploaded a 55 minute demo for a sunder map, played perfectly.

if he was insulted by the accusation he didn't show it.

>>6921515
That's fucking badass. holy shit.

>>6921515
based

>>6921506
so you say don't get it on steam?

>>6920645
They're bittermen.

It's like this super shotgun graphic was made for me, it's beautiful.

>>6921597
>angled weapons

>>6919967
Claustrophobia had some insane scripted boss battles.

>>6921597
did you die after taking this screenshot

>>6920206
*y heff 2 b

>>6921615
Angled weapons are fine. But people who mix angled and centered weapons need a swift kick to the ass.
The same goes for assholes who mix gloved and non gloved hands. Don't do that.

>>6921745
>But people who mix angled and centered weapons need a swift kick to the ass.
But imo it's fine if angled sprites are only used with dual-wield weapons, even if the rest were centered.

>>6921750
why can't we have top down 45 degree dual-wielded guns?

>>6921750
Yeah, dual wielding angled weapons is fine, even if the rest of the guns are centered. It just drives me apeshit when a shotgun is centered and then you switch to an angled assault rifle or something like that.

>>6921537
I said "pirate it".

>>6921745
>>6921750
>>6921779
Is it okay to mix centered picrelated with angled guns?

>>6921501
Weird opinion to me, Tricks & Traps is novel and plays hard with its gimmick, while Nirvana is just completely underwhelming.

>>6920396
who

>>6921515
He's probably too confident in his (very real) abilities to take too much offense at it. He doesn't strike me as a guy with a Smite & Disrespect kind of personality.

>>6920348
So like, Tornado Standard?

>>6921818
Shelly

>>6920396
Knowing artist she is gonna be blacked.

>>6921615
it's not angled. It's just off to the side.

>>6921883
angled is the official term for a gun that is off to the side

>>6921320
Consider what the word creative actually means anon. It comes from creation. As long as you create you are creative and the more you create the more creative you get. In other words, just fucking start mapping. The best ideas emerge from the process anyway.

>>6921320
creativity is what lazy fucks use as an excuse not to practice for thousands of hours. kinda like incels coping with their mental illness by saying they are fucked at birth. and for fucks sake, this is mapmaking we are talking about, not oil painting. you learn by playing other people's shit and blatantly copypasting until some day you come with a novel gimmick, but without the technical knowledge and muscle memory you are just an ideas guy

>>6921792
>he doesn't have an angled penis

>>6921896
oil painting isn't special. I think people have it in their heads that great masterpieces were all done over decades each or something. when in fact a lot of them were done within a couple of weeks, with half that time spent agonizing over tiny details. nothing is magic.

>>6921916
Also some of the great masters had shitton of commissions, so they were often cutting corners by only drawing important stuff like faces and hands, leaving the rest to their apprentices. Or we had stuff like picrelated, where one artist couldn't draw a fucking bear so he had another artist draw them for him.

Hey, I don't frequent this board but does anyone here play Doom online?

I can't find any servers at all, or even know how to join them but would love to play some multiplayer deathmatches or CTF

Can somebody explain to me how HUD offsets work in GZDoom? I fail to see any logic as to how they work.

>>6921597
>>6921615
>>6921745
>>6921750
>>6921757
>>6921779
>>6921792
>>6921898
It’s not that it’s angled, they’re still centered but you just have a camera on your left shoulder.

You guys do play with the Xbox copy of Doom 1 and 2 right? Right?

Also, should this be added to the resources? I've found it to be a pretty good method to easily convert between the various versions. Suprised source ports haven't included this as a feature.
https://github.com/Doom-Utils/iwad-patches

>>6922009
The OG xbox versions are the first legitimate versions I ever owned

>>6922009
> pwad patches to play Doom levels in Freedoom
Cursed

>>6921996

>>6920645
HUH

>>6921515
>here's something the wiki doesn't mention. about seven or eight years ago he started putting up single segment youtube videos of him manhandling sunder.
tatsurd never made sunder runs, he always focused mostly on compet-n wads like alien vendetta. the only youtube-exclusive content on his channel from that era were stronghold coop runs on zandronum.

>people on dw accused him of using a tas port.
there was never any controversy surrounding tatsurd, this sounds like okuplok. which was 10 years ago.

>he asked how to prove he was legit and was given a link to a daily build of zdoom to run it in instead. in less than two hours uploaded a 55 minute demo for a sunder map, played perfectly.
that was hr2 map32 and it was a decent run, but not on par with the contested pr+ run. what we actually wanted though was a zdoom recreation of his infamous no-hit speed of doom map20 max. that obviously never happened, because it was cheated as fuck. tatsurd holds the wr on that map, by the way.

>if he was insulted by the accusation he didn't show it.
made image memes accusing dw of jealousy of his skills, deleted his youtube account, left community forever.

the rest is correct, it really isn't on the wiki.

>>6922215
Thanks for clarifying. Play our map pack, we think it's pretty good.

>>6919049
Just give me a new Quake SP starring the best Quake waifu.

>>6922215
wait, so who was cheating, Okuplok or Tatsurd?

Man, pistol starting Plutonia is hard.

>>6922239
okuplok. this was the demo that sparked the most controversy. pardon the shitty quality, it's been quite literaly fished out of a dumpster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPzecKLyDn0

>>6922227
planning to.

>>6920396
Keep the giant tits but put her armor back on.

>>6921283
fudge packers, more like

>>6922235
>zero hips

Did you get your cat helmet /vr/?

>>6922286
Nah, look cool, but I don't have room for vidya knicknacks anymore.

>>6922286
no I'm poor, as being a neet sitting in my apartment jacking it to big titty anime girls doesn't pay

>>6922235
MOMMY

>>6922282
Her abdomen is just built enough to make her hips look smaller in comparison. Look at her from behind and she's plenty curvy.

>>6922307
it doesn't beat thyxx yet

saved these from the previous thread
1/2

>>6922325
2/2

>>6922323
Only 'cause they never remade Hunter with modern graphical fidelity. Nyx might have her beat in the ass department by size alone (not musculature), but we both know no one is as stacked as Hunter up top.

>>6922282
>>6922323
>mynxfags

>>6922340
Nyx =/= Mynx

also nyx has a better ai than fucking mynx

What was the first FPS to do really big outdoor environments?
Tribes?

>>6922348
depends on how you define "big"

>>6922348
Terra Nova

>>6922348
Depending on how big you mean by big, I'd probably say Unreal. If by big you mean BIG then yeah, I'd guess Starsiege Tribes.

>>6922340
John Romero lookin' good

>>6922303
i want to die in that cleavage
imagine the boobsweat bros

Haven't played new zdoom wads since 2012. Too many with absolute shit map design, shit gameplay design, 3d models that don't belong to doom. Today howerer i decided to try Hell-forged and Paradise. I'm loving these mods so far. New weapons are fun as fuck and it still feels like doom. Gameplay and map design are on par with boom wads. Makes me think what else have i missed during these years while ignoring zdoom wads completely.

>Windows XP source code leaked but not Windows 95
Its something I guess

>>6922430
I think you would like Alfonzone.

>>6919546
That's a horrible idea.

>>6919663
Maya or 3ds. None of that public domain garbage.

>>6921497
Fuck you, original Wang all the way, you soi consumerist

>>6921424
Episode 1 is considered the best. He only did E1M8 in it.

>>6922518
Nu wang and Old Wang are the same you dipshit

>>6922512
Are autodesk shills spreading to other boards now?

>>6922512
ah yes, I just love it when I can't open a file in the same version of the same program one patch later! perfectly designed Professional Software.

>>6922529
the difference is that Wang appeared in a classic FPS, whereas nu-Wang only appeared in shit fanfiction

>>6922512
>>6922518

>>6922512
I prefer the layout of maya, but blender is a god damn beast now. It's not perfect, but I probably won't be going back to maya.
3DS hasn't been relevant in a coons age.

>>6922573
can you left click to select yet?

>>6922580
you always could

Man, even on lower difficulties, Rekkr is freaking brutal.

>>6922586
from what i remember it used to mess up other actions if you changed it

>>6922590
Punch more shit. Punch and axe are very strong

>>6922591
Well either way, it's been the default since 2.8

>>6922325
>>6922328
thanks

>>6922616

>>6922430
There's nice stuff if you look around. I think one issue is that since GzDoom can do so much more, some kind of neglect level design and focus on other things.

>>6922623
Here is a interesting tidbit with this model which is the mortal kombat one it works well with Quake 2's monster and weapon textures with a few edits, even Q3A

>>6921497
I never cared much for original Lo Wang, I always found his voice very grating.

I'm in love.

>>6922627
To give an idea

>>6921703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

I want to frag this CrackWhore

Q3A characters are so 90s it hurts.

>>6922680
what do you mean?

>>6922680
And that's just the way I like it.

>>6922680
I don't get that feeling outside of the skater duo and their Cali mannerisms, but you phrase it like it's a bad thing if they are

>>6922337
>nyx has a big ass
I don't understand this meme

>>6922337
>Nyx might have her beat in the ass department

>>6922743
I kind of is. It's just a game that has 90s 'tude written all over it. In comparison DOOM and Quake 1 for example are pretty timeless.

>>6921358
>Crash
I've spent way to much time talking to her AI. Pretty cool stuff

>>6922764
your monitor is turned on, right?

>>6922775
nyx's ass and thighs are ginormous
hunter has a round ass and fat titties but her legs are toothpicks

>>6922792
The only clue to Doom and Quake being made in the 90s is their graphics. Their mood and atmosphere isn't based in any time period.

>>6922792
thinking in terms of decade is dumb but isnt doom supposed to be 80s thrash metal: the game?

>>6922235
>>6922282

Give me a game with both. Cameo with that girl from fakk2.

>>6922805

>>6922535
>>6922542
>>6922552
>>6922573
Okay, you're just a poor kiddie.

>>6922818
And 849 from Unreal.

>>6922535
I wipe my back with blender. You can't pay me enough to use this aborted software abomination, especially since its obnoxious userbase is made up of either children or emasculated beardmen who threat the thing as some kind of cult. :)

What's the defacto multiplayer doom program for playing relatively vanilla death match.

>>6922814
>here's your NiN soundtrack, bro
>thanks bro, it's perfect for my Violator tier enemies.

>>6922857
>autodesk gets shat on
>immediately deflects to blender
someone seems a little obsessed

>>6922821
Kek good times. She says some pretty spooky stuff IIRC, is there text of all the possible responses?

>>6922847
okay dude

What's wrong with Blender? I've used it to make some MD2s before and it seemed pretty alright, though I haven't used it since 2.8 completely changed all the keybinds because relearning it would be a pain.

Done some stuff this week.

Top
>made a new Lawgiver pickup sprite, fits better with the helmet now. Although I just noticed I still have some issues with the helmet, but I can't pinpoint exactly what irks me

Bottom
>concepts for health HUD
>left: Heart that changes color red/yellow/green depending on health, with a small EKG inside (EKG fully animated from P to T)
>right: Max Payne style silhouette that changes color depending on health status; not to scale atm because I won't do any TEXTURES bullshit before having decided on something.

>>6922847
Each with their own personality with fun maps themed from heavy metal shit.

Also Ion Fury Shelly should be knocked unconscious by one of the girls boobs.

>>6922879
>not Gina

>>6922881
Some people feel threatened by it.

>>6922884
Is that Judge Dredd?

Thanks to the anon who fixed two issues in my map (Map 18) for 2048 units of /vr/ 1.3

I am not checking /doom/ that much right now.

>>6922890
It's A judge, not necessarily Dreddalthough I took all soundclips from Dredd 3D and Dredd vs. Death

>>6922889
some people feel genuinely annoyed by armies of blender babbies posting annoying shit under vids of other software

>>6922894
Shit are you making a Dredd mod?
Godspeed anon about time.

I fucking wish we had a real fucking game.

>>6922895
That's not an issue with the program and if you read youtube comments you only have yourself to blame.

>>6922904
I made a Lawgiver some years ago, you can still find it on the Zdoom Forum. This year I started updating the code to ZScript, improving sprites and stuff and it kinda got out of hand from there. Gameplay-wise it's pretty advanced, but I suck at mapping, so proper maps will be biggest hurdle.

>>6922874
This site has a bunch, but I think it's still missing some of the on-the-fly generated stuff all bots will use.
http://www.rigelatin.net/q3a/quotes/crash.php
http://www.rigelatin.net/q3a/quotes/random.php
In particular, that loneliness quote comes from a setup where the bots recognize specific words and will use a chat line in response to it, all found in the imaginatively named 'rchat.c' file.
https://pastebin.com/FVFxCF2f
All bots can use these lines, Crash is the most memorable because her bot is unique in that it's set up to always respond to player chat instead of just some of the time.

>>6922885
>Also Ion Fury Shelly should be knocked unconscious by one of the girls boobs.
*smothered into unconsciousness

How long does it usually take to get an email from idgames archive? I uploaded my wad this week and still haven't received anything, but I also fear I had a typo in the email adress or deleted it with other junk stuff.

>>6922916
if you're taking suggestions you should have a handcuff tool that lets you arrest demons if their health is low enough

>>6922946
I was thinking about the ability to arrest perps; currently the altfire is a shout that frightens enemies if they're weak enough. But I probably won't have many demons in there, as I want to keep it as "street level" as possible. But you just gave me an idea for a level.

>>6922956
Ah I see, I didn't know how far you were wanting to go with this mod as I thought it was only for replacing your arsenal. Enemy replacements will be neat though.

>>6922956
have you thought of using enemies from batman doom?

>>6922960
I don't know about replacing the arsenal. Judges have shotguns, and the Lawmaster is also an important piece of equipment, but I think that's a bit outside my scope.

>>6922972
Not until now.... But the great thing about Meg-1 is that is so diverse and wacky that I just started adding all kinds of stuff from many different sources.

>>6922956
In that shitty console game you just had to shoot them a couple then have a button to shout surrender. It had some funny lines.

>>6920426
>>6920441
Nah, your guys' maps were awesome regardless of whatever else I said. I'm hoping everyone gets a mention in the cacoawards this year.

>>6923030
I mean, I'm proud of the maps I did, but Vehement Onslaught was built on a false premise and had the most time put into it by far, it plays alright, but I think I could have made two better maps in the same amount of time.

>>6922918
Nice! Thanks man

> set up to always respond to player chat instead of just some of the time
Ah that explains it

For anyone playing heretical doom,it is just me or does the PC move way too fast? is that intentional?

Does anyone have experience with Deus Ex mods? I'm trying to run vanilla GOTY with Kenties launcher and BioMod but they both have their own DeusEx.u file and I'm not sure which should take precedence, or how to merge them.

And quakewulf is doing another map
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1309587962250878978

>>6922978
Are you going to add Ricochet bullets that bounce off walls? And/or a stun shot?

Oh, and playable telepaths that can use a psi shot to sense and ping enemies like a kind of batman Arkham x-ray and/or see hidden secrets. Or where levels can be weird trippy psychadelic mental memories inside the minds of people.

Oh, and boing™ spray? Dark judges? Dark world? Isocube levels. Hershey nude mods, dedicated "Creep" quip button, or every time you die it randomly generates a new name on your badge. Cursed earth? Tex cit levels, lawmaster sections, titan levels, black and white mode just like olden timey progs

I fucking love Dredd

>>6923337
>dedicated "Creep" quip button
this needs to be a top priority

>>6923348

>>6923357
i wonder if chex quest was inspired by judge dredd

>>6923337
>Hershey nude mods
This guy is absolutely cruising for a nice decade in the 'cubes.

>>6922632
with rekkr? the shotgun? the statusbar (i think ports should have an option to extend that way by default)?

I have managed to get a tiny bit of time in for another Quake 2 map. Don't expect anything except bullshit and kaizo, for now.

>>6922918
This is incredible.

>>6923402
>>6923319

>>6923319
>>6923409
Whoa, that's fast.

doom OTP.

>>6923337
>Ricochet bullets
No, I don't think that can properly work in Doom, so probably never ever. Also, good luck hitting anything with ricochet without having superhuman spatial senses.

>Stun
Not before I figure out how to include proper procedure in the tally screen; until then stun would be rather inconsequential.

>PSI judges
Probably not, this is just regular street judges, but I am currently debating adding the visor infrared view.

>Boing spray, Dark anything
Not planned atm. Plus, I wouldn't know how to properly progress a Dark Judges episode.

>Hershey nude mods
That's five years in the cubes, creep

>dedicated "Creep" quip button
Well, the judge shout on alt fire has some "creep"s and "perp"s, but I am not quite sure what you mean - like only the word or what?

>random badge name
not sure how I would implement that, since apart from the Karl Urban soundbites you're a nameless, faceless judge. YOU'RE the judge, you know?

>different levels
Yeah, sure, I have planned a lot, but as mentioned before, I suck at mapping. I have a lot of ideas for maps, but they also have to be made

>lawmaster sections
Not sure how to make that; I liked neither the driving in the Ghostbusters wad nor in the lawnmower wad. However, I was thinking of maybe having the level select on the lawmaster, because after the judge leaves the hall of justice for the first case, they're on the street 23 hours per day.

I am sorry I can't implement all that stuff (yet), I really want to do something cool, but I am neither a programmer, nor an artist or anything related.

By the way, here's the very first mini demo I posted here a few threads ago, just a very small showcase of the general idea. The lawgiver is fully functional. Alt fire is judge shout that frightens weaker enemies.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3umgt25rd9d3r6j/MEG-1.pk3?dl=0

btw, I am open for input on the health HUD - I am not satisfied with either idea, so maybe someone else has a better one.

>>6923389
The shotgun. Rekkr is pretty good though. If you reduce the size and make sure they're in the right format, all the widescreen huds from that zdoom forum post work in most sourceports.

>>6923402
you should make use or rogue's assets, the disruptor needs some love

>>6923508
this

Is there a way to make switches do multiple things without a script?

>>6923536
Do you count using voodoo dolls as scripts?

>>6923538
Never used them, I'm trying to have a switch open a trap and lower a wall at the same time

alt fire, bitches

>>6923568
there are a few line actions that can be triggered by a monster. You could have the trap switch open a door in another room that releases a monster perhaps. He walks over a lindef that lowers the wall... or vice versa

It has rocket launchers

>>6923574
>>6923557
>angled weapons

ROCKETS

I still have a bit of motivation for digging into this >>6896791
got myself a Polish voice recognition thingie, tried to decipher the word salad that came out. seems like the lead programmer jumped ship to CDPR, leaving the team with no engine and a bunch of assets. some internal tension or something.

still, there's a sentence at about 5 minutes that seems to suggest the existence of some other version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To2fr0EVSeI&t=4m57s
>niestety nie udalo sie odzyskac wersje da nam w ktorych gdzies zostaly zagubione na dyskach Pawla Kalinowskiego
are there Poles in the thread or not, I didn't get a confirmation last time. did I get the phrase right? does it suggest disks sold, disks stashed, or disks lost? how hopeless does digging through torrents of game magazine CDs sound?

dumps of automatic transcriptions: https://pastebin.com/tM8NejV5 https://pastebin.com/83feaQx9

>>6923308
There was a version out there with GMDX and Revision included. Its the extent of what I did.

I actually dont hate revision, its one of those games where I know that if the og devs could have done something like that they would have done it.

>>6923337
>Hershey nude mods


We are not ready for such gaming el dorado anon. We dont deserve it.

>>6923557
>>6923574
>>6923593
what maps?

>>6923579
Thanks I'll do some testing

>>6923508
I am sorry, but I don't have the time to look into Lazarus or any of the mission packs and how to use them..

I'm getting a "too many scrolling textures" error when running a vanilla map, but I only have one texture with that action...
What gives? Is there something else that would throw that error?

>>6923630
Oh, and if I remove the scrolling action on the line it works. So somehow this one line is accounting for >64 scrolling lines...

>>6923595
quakewulf or Kaiser, could you guys check this

maybe kaiesr because nightdive releasing a cancelled 40k game may rise their interests

>>6923635
>>6923640
Aaaaaand I fixed it.
Apparently it has something to do with the way ZokumBSP does it's blockmap management with the 999 tag. If you have a scrolling texture on one tagged 999 it shits the bed (apparently - there might be more to this that I'm not getting).

pic unrelated, just saw it on my desktop...

>>6923431
Are you sure wall bouncing isn't possible in Doom engine?? Im sure I've seen it multiple times before. Like the Duke freeze gun in that Quake Champions 2D.

Shit, im 90% sure an anon in these threads made a weapon that wall bounced in the past few months.

>>6923603
I looked into both Revision and GMDX(9 and 10) and they all change a bit more than I'd like, so I was hoping for minimal changes since I haven't played this in over 10 years. I just ended up using the BioMod .u file over Kenties and so far nothing catastrophic has happened. I really missed the atmosphere of games like this.

>>6923650
doesn't colorfull have enemies with bouncing physics for their attacks?
also, duke still had his freeze gun in samsara

>>6923650
Wall bouncing is very well possible, but implementing a ricochet bullet like in 2000AD is problematic.
I made a bouncy jar of jam some time ago, it works well, but for ricochet bullets you'd need to consider how far they fly and how they bounce and how you would aim them. Like, just shoot inside the room and make minced meat? Or make it die after a certain amount of frames? Or let it die after it loses its momentum? Also, you'd need to make it really small because it's a fucking bullet, so good luck hitting anything with a low single digit radius.
Also, monsters don't take cover in Doom, so you could maybe use it to preemptively shoot rooms, but to what end?
Hotshot is good because it's basically a seeker missile. AP is great because you just shoot through dudes, but ricochet has such a niche use in Doom that I just didn't find it worth the effort.

>>6923657
Thing is Deus Ex is one of those games I replayed like 100 times like System shock or Deus Ex, Dark Messiah, Thief you know the immersive pals.

I recommend Revision for a spin of something new. But I understand purists. I am very anal about some Thief stuff especially textures.

They really made Unreal engine 1 shine a bit. Its some good stuff. On the map side, leave those shit high poly models alone.

>>6923595
Also it begs me to wonder, How long until someone from the 40k alfabusa circus pops up here after looking at this stuff?

>>6920396
tits beyond DD look grotesque and ugly

>>6923557
weapon wad name?

>>6923431
>>6923650
Bouncing is possible. Rev missiles in Hideous bounce all over the place

>>6923557
I never noticed the Hexen Affrits had little 6-packs.

>>6923648
normalmapping support for sprites would be lit
thats how they did the weapon sprites for Amid Evil too

>>6923682
Cuck

>>6923710
Yeah. Though in Amid evil I don't really see the point, since they look 3D at that point anyway. Might as well have just made them 3D.

>>6923648
I'm actually doing normal mapping for the sprites in my FPS. The creation process so far is nothing short of tedious, even with the rough "base" normal map automatically exported on rendering.

>>6923727
Neat. How are you making the sprites themselves? By hand?

>>6923589
It's perfecto

>>6923751
i can hear their terrible screaming from here

>>6923727
Forgot to mention that I'm not doing regular character sprites on one simple poly plane. Characters are segmented into individual parts and all parts are parented to an IK driven skeleton, allowing not only some new forms of movement for sprite enemies, but even things like proper foot placement, ragdolling and even interaction with props. Sprite rotations on yaw and pitch axes are handled by individual frames of directions while banking is left to rotating the poly sheets.
It maybe sounds confusing and it looks funky in movement. I still have some problems to solve, mainly stability and speed of the IK solution.
Skeletons can be of arbitrary configuration btw, so besides bipeds you can easily do things like quadrupeds, spiders, walkers with backward bent knees, snakes/worms, whatever basically.

>>6923738
No. That would be too much. However a lot of individual fine tuning is necessary. The normal maps are exported together with the rendering of the other map components. A script goes trough all parts and rotations individually during rendering.
Exported maps are:
Basic diffuse/color information
Occlusion information that is later combined with diffuse/color, out of convenience
A normal pass
A simple b&w mask pass
Depending on character or object even a specularity and illumination/glow pass

I'm doing 32 rotations on yaw, 9 on pitch. Sounds like a lot, but the script quickly crunches through it.
It also helps memory-wise that resolution of individual parts isn't that large.

>>6923697
Yeah, as I wrote here >>6923665
Bouncing was mainly a thing with Skulltag grenades, so it's been around for some time. My problems were mainly with the implementation gameplay-wise, and I also just wondered how bounce works with fastprojectile.

Man, all Woof needs is widescreen and it's basically Crispy Boom.

wat do

>>6923738
The models themselves for rendering the sprites don't have to be overly detailed and bold details, shapes and colors work best since anything else gets lost at these resolutions. It's just important to segment the model into the individual parts so that the script can render them individually.

>>6923827
Yeah, so bounce doesn't work with fastprojectiles. With regular ones I can only go up to about 60, and imo it's much too slow for a bullet. So ricochet, right now, definitely not.
But there's still so much other stuff to do, adding another bullet type later will not be problem if it can somehow work out.

pic is from some bouncy rockets I tested.

>>6923817
Sounds cool. Good luck with it man. Using models as a base is the way to go imo.

doom

>>6923915
My god, he's right

I'm in my 20s and already can't stand the casual fucks around me. All the modern games do zero for me.

>>6923957
Don't be that guy, anon. Even people who "get it" don't like that guy.

>>6923726
how does noe make normalmap
is there a tool to draw it with?
I cant understand all those gradients

also "grow the selection"? How does one do that?

>>6923989
yes this quit being a bitch and play some ntmai

>>6923717
ok incel

>>6924078
Doesn't make sense when I have a GF with large tits you perma virgin

>>6922862
People on here love Zandronum and zDaemon. I've used zDaemon a tiny bit myself and it was alright, from I remember from the fogs of my shaky memory it could have been better designed. It's been quite awhile though so I might just be talking out of my ass.

>>6923989
How do I know whether I get it or not?