/vr/ - Retro Games

Maybe not the most interesting but one of the most fun to play.

Pokemon Gold prototype.

>>6907536
>falling for the hoax

>>6907495
Waiting for The New Generation/Dracula’s Great Wars: Vampire Killer Super Nintendo/SFC port

>>6907495
>half baked version of something that was released
This is a troll, right?

>>6907495
The Mario 2 prototype amazes me. It's old news now, but I still can't believe we got a build that was in between Doki Doki Panic and SMB2 USA, with some different music and graphics and everything.

sunshine: vice city

Gotta be the Pokemon Stadium prototype with the boxing mini game

>>6907850
I haven't looked at that. Thanks for the reocmmendation anon.

How do people who buy this shit even know the legitimacy of what they're buying? It must be so easy for a chink to fake something so fucking spurious.

>>6907495
How do you define interesting? Earliness, divergence from retail, perceived quality of final product? Amusingness/strangeness of experimentation that didn't carry over to retail? Most of the "interesting" aspects of Sonic 2 prototypes seem to be due to fantasies regarding things like Genocide City instead of anything that's actually been found (which, while interesting, are mostly just development steps toward a finished game which was built on top of the original game without too many wild experiments beyond the scrapped Hidden Palace Zone).

>>6907905
tell me more

>>6907495
>Pic related. I'm really bummed we lost the v0.5 bloodlines prototype forever.
It's a matter of time. Too many people have it now.

Stafy 1 English when
You know, the one whose poster was chased off /vr/ by the anti-GBA faggot screecher.
>not reeeeeeeeeeeeeeetro
The worst part? It was technically a remake of an unreleased GBC version.

>>6907495
I wanna see that zepellin stage man

>>6909837
>It's a matter of time. Too many people have it now
The version that these people have doesn't include the Nazi zeppelin stage.

>>6909602
They don't.

>>6909602
Most fakes are pretty easy to spot, because most forgers don't really know what they're doing. Some people have gone above and beyond to try to scam by making convincing fakes, but even then a little detective work can rule some of them out as BS. A lot of times these things are ultimately purchased based heavily on faith that they aren't fakes. You'd make more money in the long run forging convincing retail games.

>>6909945
Well i've seen some alleged prototypes and they're literally just a cd-r with some permanent marker scribbled on. Anyone could mock that up in 10 minutes

>>6909602
You'd have to be pretty fucking good to make a convincing fake beta.
You'd need to know company and period accurate parts for the cartridge, then you'd need romhacking talents (from programming to art) and the means to put all that together on your new fake cartridge.

There are much easier ways to scam people with a lot less effort

>>6909973
CD-R protos are certainly easier to fake, though there are definitely a number of factors to take into account when trying to convincingly forge even with those. But yes, even legit ones are typically just regular CD-Rs with some handwriting on them.

The original Rayman 2.
It had made it to the code freeze milestone.
The 3D models were done in 3D Studio Max.

>>6910048
Doesn't the original Rayman uses sprites. Or did they make sprites out of models? I remember some screenshots and it didn't look that way at all but maybe I'm wrong.

>>6910074
>Doesn't the original Rayman uses sprites
It does, but some assets we're done in 3DS Max, though.

>>6909906
>nazi
>1918
???

>>6909874
https://streamable.com/dakzn5

>>6910145
This looks a lot like the factory, pretty cool though. How do I save this video and is there more?

>>6910159
Someone WILL eventually upload it, or once the ($$$) problems are sorted (patreon drive?)
iirc the one who published the 0.1 beta strongly implied he has it.

There's a lava screen (4-5) with a heat effect, but it's just for magazine screenshoots. It doesn't even scroll properly, and is so broken the only working part is what you see in that one screenshot. The more interesting things with it are unused rotating platforms, and SMB1-like flames that shoot upwards, probably meant for it.

The game has code for a level select and a sample version timer. One of those cheats was repurposed for something else in the final (573 sound test one) and as is tradition with castlevania prototypes, dracula is still unimplemented but everything else is prepared (stage 6 is completely absent though)

There's some censorship too. The game was meant to release first in the US, so only prototype versions still have this. 0.1 already has the gory death animations, and early boss sprites (they go as far as stage 5), and the green spiked wheel in stage 1 is supposed to be drenched in blood.

tl;dr you're not missing on too much, move on

There were apparently still location test Vampire Hunter boards out there as of relatively recently. Still not dumped, though.

I prefer this early sprite for X3 Sigma over the final version. He looks a lot more like how he did in X and X2. The final one's proportions are weird, he looks like he has a tiny head.

>>6910145
Where did you get this?

Do you have a video of the lava stage?

>>6907495
Wolf3D sonderkommando revolt

I would be interested to see how shit the Quake and Tomb Raider ports on the jaguar would have been.

Which kinds of prototypes intrigue you the most? Prototypes of popular games even if said protos are quite late and with minimal differences, something super early even if the corresponding final game is nothing great, games that were never released at all, or stuff that was ultimately released but differed drastically from the earlier development versions to the point that it was less like a development stage and more like a new variation on the same game (like RE 1.5)?

>>6911638
I doubt they would have been possible.

>>6911773
probably the latter as its interesting to see what could have been and what different experiments were in place before they came to the final designs.

also neat that the RE games have a lot of what you said:
>prototype with minimal difference
the various RE1 prototype builds out there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGwyVxvnYBQ
>early prototype
that RE0 N64 prototype that i hope becomes available to play eventually (though i cant imagine anything past the train exists)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJig54ptAY
>never released at all
though a playable prototype is out there, the RE1 gameboy port never fully came to fruition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L73vkt3p71A
>differed drastically
in addition to 1.5, the various versions of RE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrD5l7lHB_o

>>6910208
what differences do these have aside from coom in Morrigans hand?

>>6910145
I wonder why they cut the zeppelin part

It looks great and fits with the level

>>6907495
>I'm really bummed we lost the v0.5 bloodlines prototype forever.
Whats the story here?

>>6911773
The earlier the better. Like I'd love to see the build of Chrono Trigger that included the box art scene, assuming it wasn't just a non-functional mockup.

>>6914772
>Hoarder allowed another hoarder to make a reproduction bootleg, in exchange of 2 grands
>Hoarder #2 wanted to make the money back with repro sales on amazon before rom release
>Some geniuses tell him "noo you're supposed to release them now for free"
>reported those to amazon and said to his face they can't wait for him to croak so that someone else releases rom
>yes, some of those geniuses are from tcrf
>Hoarder #2 no longer wanna release it
>surprised pikachu face

This is it, basically.
Moral: learn to make compromises to make shit happen, or learn the hard way.

>>6914551
Most gfx for both cut rooms (molten iron, zeppelin) is still in the final ROM unused. They had the weakest level design by far.
Zeppelin room is ruined by that central staircase that makes 50% of the room useless.

>>6915337
Its not good enough to be right. You have to be effective.

>>6915350
This is the most common result. The cut content is interesting because it was cut, sure, but the cut was usually for good reason so its typically not something you'd want restored.

>>6915523
Shit also gets cut due to lack of time and budget

Twisted Metal: Harbor City was supposed to be the sequel to the magnum opus known as Twisted Metal: Black.

>>6915532
True but those things are rarely complete enough to even judge on their quality

>>6915523
I dunno, changing the direction of that staircase and adding more enemies could have made it interesting. What's already in the final rom is enough for a restoration romhack.

>but the cut was usually for good reason
What if it's half the game?

like in Wind Waker
>playable Old Hyrule replaced with triforce quest
>at least 4 dungeons and many cut islands in New Great Sea
or your average igavania
>SOTN had collectible furniture for Alucard's room, to help add content for the inverted castle
>the entrance's well dummied out, now you get the blue key as a random shop item
>Maria and Dark Maria boss fights, playable Maria
>playable Hammer in Julius mode in Dawn of Sorrow

So guys what exclusives can I play on that little bastard? I'm using that thing as Genesis / PSOne emulator almost every time I'm on train or something but maybe there are some quality titles for the console itself.
Hard mode: no GoW / Patapon / GTA Stories, etc.

IMO:
Rayman on SNES
Dark Cloud Pre-alpha build
Diablo on Gameboy
Diablo 3 B.N. version
Starcraft in WC1 engine
All the different, early versions of Rare N64 games

Anyone here who collects prototypes?
I'm looking like crazy for Diablo PS1 prototypes and a Wizards & Warriors 1 NES prototype if it exists...

>>6907539
There were a handful or so Pokemon prototype carts sold on Ebay a couple years ago

>>6907495
What's the story behind this Castlevania cart?

>>6909975
Lol. Now that prototypes suddenly have become mainstream and everyone's uncle and granny is out for them without knowing the first thing about prototypes, we're gonna see a hell of a lot more fakes

https://youtu.be/zs8eLSNTD7s

>>6910018
with more and more blank, official pre-print discs and cartridges being sold online it's gonna be hard to see the difference

>>6911773
It all depends.
It's cool to have a prototype of a game that a lot of people like, but I prefer games that I like to play or that are nostalgic to me.

Hence why I'm after a Wizards & Warriors 1 NES prototype. I'd give up a Ura Zelda prototype for that (and some cash) any day

>>6915337
Ouch. Multiple people who I've talked to, who put down a lot of time, effort and money to acquire prototype hardware and software, they've had people on the neck borderline harassing them for not just dumping everything online for free immediately and it's driving these people up the wall.
Those who think this hobby is free are freeloaders

>>6907495
>we
get over it faggot. It is the property of Konami and was never meant for you or the general public.

>>6916382
Imagine sucking Konami's dick in this day and age

>>6910048
thing is the devs released its first level as bonus content on the final version of rayman2
>>6916229
you tried tcrf?

still waiting for the day an former lucasarts employee dumps this

>>6916621
Yes, of course. I know where to find the builds that are available, but I thought we were just naming prototypes we think are interesting?
I think the ones I listed are really cool

>>6916626
Early Super Star Wars?

>>6916282
Yeah, that's certainly true. There are a number of other tells for people who know what they're doing and have seen historic examples of discs or know the origins of what they're buying.

>>6916326
Those beggars are stupid for expecting everything now for free with zero compromises.
Arcade betas owners are in a bigger conundrum because they don't want to be immediately left out of a collectors circle because they're that one guy who devaluates their rare games, so they have to do it step by step.

Bloodlines' case is more stupid because they sabotaged the attempt to FUND the release, and were abrasive and dismissive of the owner wherever he went. What's their problem with the rare game's owner making some money for himself to offset the loss before publishing the cart? I don't get the thought process. If he has some ritual planned before the ROM release and intends to release it, what's the problem?

Of course there are exceptions, such as Frank Cifaldi (Aladdin Genesis that he advertised, got bought off by Disney to do a shit compilation, and never released much of any of the awesome stuff in the source code, or his SimCity leaks which followed a similar media cycle) who loves the spectacle and uses it to promote himself as THE retro compilations guy to potential publishers, or TCRF and their shitty vanity projects with wack0's pokemon leaks (two years of a media circus and tranny translation projects just for ONE prototype, and low resolution incomplete pics of prototype Gen 1 pokemons, and a weird fantasy tale about a japanese hoarder who died and left these carts. with zero plans to release the rest, ofc.)

>>6915337
Fuck those fuckers

>>6907536
This

>>6916681
I think that's just a screenshot of /v/

>>6916693
Absolutely. I've been collecting prototypes for 10 years but still I am fooled.
Same goes for sealed games. Counterfeiters are getting extremely good at covering their tracks...

>>6911638
>>6911824
Q2 is possible but it's a slideshow
www.yaronet.com/topics/190991-quake-2

>PSA warning: frenchfrogs

Back during E3 2018 some of you might remember photos like this popping up, with the threads being pulled shortly after. The leaker claimed to be part of Nintendo, and said they would come back with more when they could, when Nintendo wasn't watching. They were scared Nintendo would catch them. After a few threads they never posted again. Despite initial shock and confusion, the threads, photos, and topic, eventually fell into obscurity. People forgot all about it, writing it off as a hoax.


Reggie retired shortly after, and there is evidence that it was him trying to leak these out to the public. Unfortunately for him he got sniffed out by the big N before he could expose more of Nintendo's secrets. Who else but upper management could have access to these archived projects? It wasn't the sort of thing a programmer or middle management would be able to find.

Reggie supposedly retired, but I think its obvious that stunt was what made Nintendo force him to quit. they couldn't trust him anymore. He was a threat. Letting Reggie claim he was retiring is just Japanese business talk, professionalism, and politics. Firing Reggie would have made everyone involved look bad. He was their PR man, and everyone loved him. Trusted him. He was the "golden child."

Reggie tried to show us the fucked up experiments Nintendo were up to and how far they were willing to go to stay ahead of their competition. Ethics be damned. Sony and Microsoft has outperformed them for the last few years, and Nintendo's stock holders were threatening to pull out.

I don't know how far up the totem pole it goes, or if Miyamoto himself knew about it or not, but there were clearly powerful and wealthy men involved who were financing these failed amiibo projects. Gene splicing and genetic engineering aren't cheap. And they aren't the sort of thing your average game company can do on their own without outside help.

Reggie tried to warn us. Tried to show us something was wrong underneath the veneer.

Why did they keep this from us?

>>6907495
To me personally, the Turok3 prototype. Says right on it, it’s 80% complete, yet it’s the exact same as the final release. I’ll never forget putting that game in for the first time and being utterly disgusted that it played and looked the way it did, thinking that it was unfinished. I was right. Rest in Piss, Acclaim. Long live Iguana.

>>6907734
its obvious that it is your post that is the troll

>>6917041
>Frank Cifalfdi
I fucking hate this faggot so much.

>>6907850
that smb underground remix should have been the castle theme.

>>6907495
>What's the most interesting /vr/ prototype we know of?
Definitely this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnvVbdEs7c

The fuckers are emulating it on PJ64 but have no plans of making the damn ROM available. Literally why the fuck not.

>>6918781
>The fuckers are emulating it on PJ64 but have no plans of making the damn ROM available. Literally why the fuck not.

Potential thought process experiment:

They want to make money off it, because it would be irresponsible to waste the opportunity in the eyes of the IP holder of this dead property
Then they want to sell it, but the game is buggy and unfinished and wouldn't pass certification for the emulated collection (notice how Rayman 2 is a vertical slice one level demo and not the full game)
Then they want to fix it (Steam is somehow never an option) but the game code is complex to reverse engineer and requires some investment / savvy romhackers
Then they decide it's too complicated and sit on it
Then cartridges rot and hard drives crash and backups get lost and it's truly lost forever, this time for real.

>>6918438
18+

posted this in /doom/, figured I'd try my luck here as well.
>>6896791
any volunteers to transcribe the videos? any other pointers?
there's no website like cd.textfiles.com, but for game magazine CDs, is there?

>>6918749
Can explain why? I know WATA is using him for prototype authentication these days.
Does he have an online alias?

bump

>>6918373
>literally a drill bit and a paperclip in the package
Here's a (You), since I don't think anyone will fall for your retardation.

>>6921139
Except you just did lol

>>6919525
Try archive.org

>>6916626
yup. removed content, due to rom size.

>>6917041
>and a weird fantasy tale about a japanese hoarder who died
I thought you were going to talk about the jap skitzo hoarder that overbid on a bunch of protos, just to keep them from falling into the hands of foreign rom dumpers