/vr/ - Retro Games

Mario 64 doesn't even come close to anything on the Speccy though

Nights and Super Mario 64 have more soul than anything on the PLSTT

>>6907325
SotN.

>>6907325
It's a children's toy. It's good, certainly, but the medium is capable of much more than this. You wouldn't say the very peak of film is Disney's Aladdin, even though it's an excellent piece of children's entertainment. Super Mario 64 is great if you want a fun distraction, but it's essentially a meaningless dopamine rush and shouldn't be held in high esteem as art by any respectable adult. Even as children's entertainment it falls short compared to the highs reached in other mediums (cinema's Miyazaki or Norstein are on another planet compared to gaming's Miyamoto).

>>6907325
>there isn't a single ps1/saturn game that even remotely comes close to this in terms of quality
MediEvil and Mr. Bones.

What do I win?

>>6907679
Games are NOT movies, It's about the gameplay. Games like The Last of Us might have great stories, but at the end of the day I'd rather read a book or watch a movie instead.

>>6907679
How do you even walk around with that pretentious, snobby nose of yours shoved up your ass?

>>6907715
>Mr. Bones.
>What do I win?
A slap in the face

>>6907325
Solid game. Yes.
It's said to still be the best game ever by those who got this as their first game, obviously.
At the time it was also the game that most developers thought would render 2D graphics obsolete, so everyone seemed to follow the trend.
Now, objectively it's still an ok game, but we quickly moved on

I enjoyed Crash Bandicoot 2 more

>>6907325
Ape Escape is one of those games that requires abstract thinking, its controls perfectly delivers a way to experience games with more of a oneness with the character you control, and expanding how you interact with a character with the second stick being a primary means of achieving that control is a stroke of genius.

Mario 64 is a game that is at its height when you are being pushed to use your movement techniques, to long jump, wall kick, flip and lunge the way you want to go, and Miyamoto in his brilliance saw the best way to engage the player with this movement was to use a rabbit the player chases around. Unfortunately he forgot to think of anything else that really pushes the player in the game, levels are otherwise bloated with hyper-simplistic objectives that basically equate to get to the correct x-y-z coordinates and then do it again a few more times before the level is 100% complete. It gets to be a real chore.

Ape Escape observed that master stroke and said "what if every level had an objective that good?" expanded on it with the monkeys, made them all unique, full of personality and far more dexterous than any enemy in Mario 64 and gave you the tools to get them. Ape Escape is a correction of Mario 64's failures and is genuinely without flaw. The only problems it has lies with the player who must not be so close minded and rigid with how they're willing to control a game, put aside the knowledge they learned from earlier games and rethink things the same way Mario 64 made them learn what an analog stick does.

It is literally a game too smart for Mario 64 fanatics.

>>6907849
Based

>>6907849
It's a shame that Ape Escape has poop tier controls compared to Mario 64.

>>6907329
really funny post dude

>>6907325
Honestly, I played it as a kid, got like 40 stars and never beat it, would dick around on my older brother's save with 120 stars, and then outgrew it and moved onto better games like Diablo 2. It's a good game but frankly, the level of obsession people have with it is unwarranted

>>6907325
PS1 and Saturn didn't have a Z Buffer , Mario 64 could simply not be achieved on half assed 3D hardware

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12558925

>>6907325
>this
What? Proto Banjo-Kazooie?

>>6907325
What are the essential rom hacks?

>>6907325
Goemon is better. Fuck bing bing wahoo.

I just played Super Mario 64 on my Wii and thoroughly enjoyed myself tonight. I have been doing likewise many times throughout the year, unironically. I don't care about the publicity and talk it gets recently. I've been enjoying it my whole life.

Wrong

>>6907325
Sorry fag, but the Crash Bandicoot games are the GOAT 3D scotformers.

>>6907679
this is like pretending tony hawk doesnt have some of the best game mechanics of all time just because skater culture is cringy rebel shit

>>6907679
Okay, then what games of the fifth generation ARE pieces of art that explore the medium?