/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6895903

>>>/his/ if you want to discuss ancient fairy tales

>>6895906
>Master (race) sword
Fucking hell

>>6895906
This makes no sense, Hitler was a huge arab-sympathizer and most Muslim countries were allied with Nazi Germany (which ties into why the Israeli gov't hates Muslims so much)

The Europa woman kicking the Muslim caricature out of Europe is just revisionist /pol/ nonsense, Islam has always been a part of European culture. Viking graves contain Islamic religious jewelry, etc.

>>6897514
>which ties into why the Israeli gov't hates Muslims so much
their beef was way older than that

>Islam has always been a part of European culture. Viking graves contain Islamic religious jewelry, etc.

talk about revisionism. vikings were renown travellers, they taking souvenirs home doesnt mean islam was important to them

>>6897514
>The Europa woman kicking the Muslim caricature out of Europe is just revisionist /pol/ nonsense
>forgetting all the crusades where White Europeans btfo the mudslimes

Why are people so obsessed with nazism? Do you really think it would improve your life if it happened? Chances are you’d end up like the many young German men sent to die in cold Russia.

>>6897527
>>forgetting all the crusades where White Europeans btfo the mudslimes

There were many Christian Arabs and Greeks and other mutts among the Crusaders. If they hadn't sacked Constantinople in the fourth Crusade we might still have a Christian Anatolia. No group did more damage to Europe than the crusaders.

>>6897527
...euros lost hard in most cursades?

>>6897540
They could have won if it wasnt for the mutts supplying the ruskies

>>6897540
>Do you really think it would improve your life if it happened?
We'd unironically be better off if the communists had lost instead of the fascists.

>>6897556
And? Thousands of German men still would’ve died for really no reason. Hitler was bloodthirsty and a maniac. They would’ve had more than enough land after annexing Poland and Czechia. Nazism and fascism is retarded and asking to die for someone else than your own self.

>>6897565
>...and communism isnt

>>6897564
I’ll take the bait, how would it be better? Would it really been any different? Men would still be sent over to die in pointless wars for “glory” and “patriotism”, possibly even moreso since Nazism and fascism as ideologies are focused on having a large expansionist empire. Getting to die for old men isn’t something to strive for in life. Maybe people today have lost purpose, but that’s certainly not a good alternative.

>>6897569
I never said I liked communism, it’s the same statist trash as nazism. I’m a syndicalist which is so fringe and niche, that most don’t even know about it.

>>6897570
after defeating russia it would be wars against niggers and other shitskins, pretty easy to win

also, if nazism had won all this wuhan flu shit wouldnt have happened

>>6897573
>syndicalist
oh, wow, sucking union mafioso dick is so much better...

>>6897580
>easy
Assuming you only care about Germans, millions would still be dead. Millions of German men dead, all to make the ego of some asshole bigger. And if they made a world spanning empire, guess what, it would’ve broken apart and devolved into civil war like all the rest have. Nazism would probably have worked if Germany had stopped at Czechia.

>>6897582
Yeah, let companies work you for slave labour legally. see if I give a shit. An erosion of worker’s rights is why the world is turning to shit.

>>6897595
>workers rights
Maybe stop importing so many shit skins and driving down the value of labor.

Unions requiring $50/hour + 100/hour in benefits are never going to get any work over a shitskin taking $45/hour under the table

>communism: party tells you what to do
>nazism: great leader tells you what to do
>syndicalism: mob boss tells you what to do
>democracy: majority tells you what to do
>monarchy: monarch tells you what to do
>oligarchy: rich tell you what to do

Is there anything good?

Is there any worthwhile system

>>6897595
>And if they made a world spanning empire
then this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WQOGVLLGw

>>6897618
Monarch is technically the best because he depends on his people to stay in power and so on paper he should do what's best for the people (unless he goes insane or something). It's also the longest running and most successful system in history, while democratic republics are already falling apart after not even 300 years.

>>6895906
based. I love link and zelda even more now

>>6897623
I think the whole united world thing is a pipedream, it will never happen, had Nazis taken over the entire world, the different groups of Germans in different areas would eventually think of themselves as different or better and split off again. It would essentially be a cycle.

>>6897614
Based. The foreign invasion and one sided trade policies have destroyed our standard of living.

>>6897629
>It's also the longest running and most successful system in history, while democratic republics are already falling apart after not even 300 years.
Not who you're replying to, but I've had similar thoughts as >>6897618 before and you know what, that's a really good point.

>>6897649
>>6897629
The monarch also wants to keep the country in good shape not only through his one long reign, but to keep it for his heir.

This allows actual long term planning. We're lucky to get a road built if it takes longer than 2 years

>>6897618
perhaps you need to realise people don't necessarily mind being told what to do.

>>6897629
>>6897649
I’m an American and I can see the point of having a monarch because the monarch is loyal to the country and not party like the worthless goons here. Republicans and democrats would love to sink parts of the country just to see the other side squirm.

>>6897647
>hurr durr, nazis would start hating each other
the problem with this theory is that you are still stuck on the false idea of whites and shitskins being the same, and so you make an invalid extrapolation

>>6897673
Whites haven’t gotten along with one another for most of human history either, why would that suddenly change? A German living in India would probably eventually be tired of being told what to do by some guy thousands of miles away. I mean unless nazism makes everyone like loyal little worker ants, then sure it wouldn’t happen.

Seriously, why does everything have to be so political and why are teens so politically engaged? I didn’t know shit about politics until my late 20s and even today I don’t vote.

>>6897665
I am unironically a monarchist now, I've despised """"democracy"""" for a long time but I've hesitated to say with certainty whether there's a better option.
>>6897671
>I’m an American
Ditto.
The only thing that made the American experiment work for as long as it did was the extreme devotion to moral law that kept order and made self-government possible. The founding fathers knew this -- I'm paraphrasing, but John Adams said that the Constitution would be unfit for governing a non-Christian nation.
Britain's churches practically emptied after WWII, and it only took 50 years for them to become the hellhole they are today.
To be continued in next post so I can post another pic...

>>6897731
It has worked decently well in Japan for a few reasons. Ethnic homogeneity eliminates all sorts of potential conflict-of-interest problems, and Japanese people have a devotion to keeping social order and peace. There was also a time when Japanese people had a real fire in their bellies, which saved them on a couple of occasions from descending into the kinds of cancerous ideologies (like communism) that prey on affluent democratic peoples -- pic related. After assassinating the communist candidate who had gained popularity very quickly, the 17-year-old Yamaguchi wrote on his cell wall, "If only I had seven more lives to give for my country"
Absolutely based.
Japanese people aren't like that anymore, though, and I worry for how things will go from here.
My point is that Democratic Republics can function, but conditions have to be perfect. You can count the number of true successes on two hands. The rest have collapsed, become horribly corrupt, or both.

>>6897701
>why does everything have to be so political and why are teens so politically engaged?
Because the power-hungry understand that in order to rule a nation that's ruled "by the people", all you have to do is convince enough fools to concede their rights to you.

>>6895903
Was this -person- being a -insert retarded 4chan word-?

Did he really deserve his own game?

Face it, it wasn’t that good.

Just got this. What am I in for?

What did they mean by this?

>>6895906
What's the significance of 88?

Actually, there's a female Nintendo employee who is referred to as "the Zelda encyclopedia" or something like that (she was on the OOT3D Iwata Asks interview). She is a christian, so I could see she being the one suggesting christian elements on Zelda.
I'm pretty sure Shiggy is either buddhist or shinto.

>>6897781
>I'm pretty sure Shiggy is either buddhist or shinto.
That doesn't mean he wouldn't use Christian symbolism in his games. It has a degree of mystery in Japan, so it adds to the fantasy aspect. Look at all the meaningless Christian imagery used in Evangelion.

>>6897786
>Look at all the meaningless Christian imagery used in Evangelion.
Actually, Hideaki Anno kind of did a neat research there, he even used some obscure (for the average person) references, such as Lilith, an entity that's mostly associated with demons, but that in some occult hebrew scripts is also referred to as Adam's first wife. Evangelion didn't just use christian imagery/references.
Also, he didn't use religion just as "meaningless imagery" as many people like to parrot, he just mixed real life religion (dead sea scrolls, book of revelations, etc) and amalgamated them with his own sci-fi story. People like Arthur C. Clarke also did similar things.
People like to use the video where Anno was visiting his childhood school as proof that the religious imagery is just "to look cool", as Anno explained the kids on the school. But well, what did you expect, Anno to lecture kids on occult 18th century kabbalah?
As for Shiggy, yeah maybe he wanted to use them himself, but since there's that one woman who is actually christian and also works on Zelda, I think it's also more likely. Although I'm not sure if she was around in the early Zelda days, though.

>>6897527
>White Europeans btfo the mudslimes
based retard

>>6897807
Remind us again who's in control of the iberian peninsula? Cuz it sure as fuck ain't the muzzies.

>>6897826
Muzzy's british.

>>6897514
Yeah most of it is bullshit. I just posted it because the game doesn't exactly hide it's obsession with Europe even using a Nazi sword and the Bible. Most good things that come out of Japan, at least in gaming, have a heavy western influence. Castlevania being inspired by Hammer horror movies with a soundtrack that is basically Bach. MGS being inspired by movies. Silent Hill was also inspired by a western movie. Basically OP is a faggot.

>>6897773
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

>>6897595
>all to make the ego of some asshole bigger
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why homogamy is worth pursuit and would be beneficial long term. It's not egotism.
https://a.uguu.se/ftrpu.mp4

>>6897802
>Also, he didn't use religion just as "meaningless imagery" as many people like to parrot
Whether it's "parroting" or not, it's true. On another occasion (not during the school video) Anno called it a "pedantic" (衒学的) anime when asked about the meaning of all the symbolism.

>>6897945
Anno loves to troll around, he also once called Evangelion an anime about "giant robot and sexy girls", when asked about what the series was about.
He loves to troll the intellectual fanbase of his own works. But nah the reality is that mixing real life religion with sci-fi is a thing that dates back to the golden age of sci-fi, and Anno actually did a pretty nice job with it.
Also, part of it is also due to being influenced by Ultraman (Ultraman's creator is also christian for real)

>>6897951
>Anno loves to troll around
That's fair. I'm just saying that he doesn't actually believe in it, same as Shiggy doesn't go to church on Sunday just because there's christian imagery in some of his games.

It's cute when racists pretend like they're actually human and anyone should respect what they think.

>>6895903
The entire lore is based on western folk tales.

>>6898126
Clean it up Jannie.

At least shareblue pays you. Even if 4chan doesn't

>>6897967
Oh, that's for sure. As I said, Shiggy is probably either buddhist or shinto. Anno is probably atheist, idk.

>>6895903
Because he understood how BASED Jesus is and the gift he gave you. Churches and denominations generally suck ass and just divide people. Read the bible (I'd suggest new testament first, Romans is BASED) and be sceptical of denominations, that's just people fucking it up and giving you their biased interpretation. Modern churches are by and large not christianity as was taught in the bible, they are just a social club with a lot of self help books mixed in with tons of sanctimonious hypocrites and cult like behavior.

>>6898161
>shareblue
The hell is shareblue, more underage shit?

>based based based based based
Why do anons always use this now to mean good? I noticed it started increasing in frequency when the 6th gen shit started. Does it come from /v/ or something? I rarely if ever saw it before 6th gen got added

>>6898167
does that picture not understand that people who don't believe in god also don't believe in a heaven or hell? they're part of the same mythology

>>6897743
>Japanese people aren't like that anymore
The best way to subdue a population is to make their life easy and give plenty of cheap entertainment. They don't have to have wealth, but access to cheap junk food, and mindless things to do.

>>6898189
it's been around for a while now, i forget how it started (or what it's from)

>>6898198
There was this really stupid rapper called Lil B like 8 years ago or something and he called himself "based god" and used the word "based" to refer to things that are "grounded" or "down to earth" or "keeping it real"
I think he meant like "based" == "based on something"
People said it ironically because it was so dumb for a while and then it just kinda became a word that everyone uses and doesn't know what it means

>>6898196
America, land of the free.

>>6898212

>He describes his work as "based", a term which denotes a lifestyle of positivity and tolerance
If 4chan knew this, they’d stop using it immediately. This site really is 90% retards

>>6897618
trumpism: do whatever owns the most libs

>>6898235
Oh shut up, you just learned what it meant 5 seconds ago and you're already trying to act like you're "in" on something
You fall squarely in the "90%".

>>6898254
I’m not in on it, I think it’s retarded and idiots spamming here has already lowered the quality of discussion

>>6898212
oh my god based god you can fuck my bitch based god

>>6897743
>There was also a time when Japanese people had a real fire in their bellies, which saved them on a couple of occasions from descending into the kinds of cancerous ideologies (like communism)
>the communist candidate who had gained popularity very quickly
How do you reconcile these two statements?

>>6897802
Just because it wasn't meaningless it doesn't mean he believed in it.

>>6898242
This but unironically.

>>6898515
Who is to say the popularity wasn't manufactured. In one way or another. As in fluffed or through deception of the masses. Gaining political popularity is not difficult. You can say one thing on your rise and enact another once at peak. You may be able to fool the masses for a time, but this means basically nothing. Obviously, when the time came and this person was found out, they were dealt with in an extreme manner by a mere individual who understood what was happening.
I don't think this is a controversial assumption either, communists have been known to do this exact thing as well as almost everyone wanting to rise to power.

Look at American politics and interviews with citizens. They will be asked if they agree or disagree with something, then asked who they support, and ironically they turn out to support someone who has a policy that differs from their own. Democracy by population alone seems to be a real problem and there should be harsher restrictions on who can participate.
I think you should have to pass some kind of interview that shows who you're voting for actually aligns with your beliefs at the very least. Failing that, if people must have a right to vote, then at least cast it for them based on something like a questionnaire.
>you answered these question and it looks like you align most with X's policies

>>6898194
You sure owned that Christchad. Flawless logic and very relevant argument. but he's still going to Heaven when he dies because Jesus saved him

>>6895906
>I am a nazi so everyone else is too

>>6898521
What do you mean? I'm pretty sure Anno 100% believes the FAR exists.

Non-meme answer, Miyamoto handn’t hammered out any of the series mythology out at the time and decided to just use Christianity as a stock religion. Which kind of muddies things a bit now that a proper fantasy religion is in place, given that the old games are still 100% canon and Miyamoto or Aonuma never explained the details now

>>6898559
The best part is that Zelda 2 is the canonical ending of the series, what with Ganon being destroyed for good. It's hilarious.

>>6898212
based was slang for free basing, AKA smoking rocks. instead of being 'dope' he was 'based' and dressed like a grandmaw. of course the hipsters and zoomies liked him and using him to troll other ppl, so 'based' was the new catchphrase to use. and it doesnt mean 'cool' it means retarded, but in 4chang that can mean whatever.

>>6898559
most of fantasy writings from the west have a 'tolkien' quality to them, in that they arent based in our world, but in something like them. the hobbit takes place in a vaguely european setting with invading orcs and magic. zelda used a lot of european asthetics (the villages, the wear, the weapons, the magic/villany) and christianity is also one of them.

>>6898573
It took Link rejecting the false idols and finding Christ to defeat Ganon once and for all. Amen. Praise.

>>6898573
What's the canon reason for the grave yard that takes up a quarter of a continent

>>6898701
Ganon being an asshole.

>>6898515
>How do you reconcile these two statements?
When I say the Japanese had a "fire in their bellies," I'm not just talking about the kid that assassinated the communist candidate in 1960 -- the Japanese communists were just as crazy and violent. The Japanese communists (mostly college students) attempted to forcefully overthrow the government shortly after, starting in 1964. The movement was headquartered in Kyoto, in an old building of the university there. It culminated in massive violent riots in 1968 in Tokyo, and once the government was finally able to put them down(thank God), the Japanese had seen Communism for what it was.
In a peaceful society, the Communists try to masquerade as a normal political party like any other to gain public favor, and then seize absolute power. They never got that chance in Japan.

>>6898194
Dude, understand the truth doesn't care if you believe in it or not. Search your heart, you know it's true because the law of god is written in every man's heart. Romans 2:15 and Hebrews 10:16. You know that thing you call a conscious or how you innately know something isn't right?

You honestly don't have to believe, but there is repercussions for not doing so. God grants you free will and lets you believe what you want. He doesn't force men into believing anything.

The next time you talk bad about god, ask yourself why you don't really believe the stuff you're saying. Why does it feel like a cop out or like you're just trying to show your smartness. Not trying to give you shit and feel free to do and believe what you want, but there is an objective truth that exists independent of our beliefs.

>>6897514
>Islam has always been a part of European culture.
Yuck, thank god I live in America.

>>6895906
BotW ost is so bad it deserves under an 88 just for that

>>6898757
This is the building that headquartered that coup attempt, according to the friend that took me there when I visited Kyoto a couple years ago. Sorry it's not a very good picture.

>>6898543
>I think you should have to pass some kind of interview that shows who you're voting for actually aligns with your beliefs at the very least.
Agree, but with that you also have to change the political landscape. 2 parties don't represent everyone so it's often the case of just picking someone who you sort of agree on, or "the lesser of two evils" type vote. Ranked voting would be a good start. 2 parties have ruined the american political landscape, there's no nuance, just us vs them.

>>6898798
There is no way to change it now. The country was flawed from the beginning due to poor political system design.

>>6898787
To be fair, muslims have been raiding, raping and enslaving Europe for a very long while. So it is no surprise these beaten housewives start to see it as normal.

>>6898835
Yep. 5 million European slaves were taken by Muslims from around the Mediterranean.

>>6898783
I like that if nothing else, Trump has shown that evangelical Christians are hypocritics who don't even actually believe the teachings of the book they use to bludgeon people they hate.

>>6897762
not surprised you put the only one that doesn't apply first in order to make it look like it fits in with the rest

>>6898167
Christchan is Catholic you degenerate heretic

>>6897773
H is the Eighth letter of the alphabet. So 88 = H.H., or Heil Hitler.

>>6898559
There are no internal allusions to Christianity in Zelda 2 besides crosses which are rather generic symbols. Only the external materials like concept art in the op has such things.

Also Zelda 2 may or may not be the end of the series as it's still possible BotW is after it

>>6898878
Agree fully. Most christians don't follow the teachings of Jesus. Evangelicals usually fall into the health and wealth teachings which are completely un biblical. Just watch the heretical stuff that most mega church pastors or people like Joel Olsteen say and do and you see it's a corruption of what the bible actually says. You can't really judge biblical christianity by the actions of these people, because they aren't following it. The bible even talks about these kinds of false teachers and such at length.

>>6899036
I don't know where the image came from, I just saw someone post it on here, but catholic isn't really christian. They pray to mary and the saints who are neither omnipresent, omnipotent, or capable of hearing thousands of prayers in different languages at once. It's just ancestor worship with added steps. Be careful because the familiar spirit you're praying to as a catholic isn't of God. You don't have to ask a priest to forgive your sins, he's nothing but a part of a political system. Why would you ask a man, who is capable of great sin for forgiveness when Jesus can forgive sins through prayer? Catholicism is basically the bastardization of the bible by a political force in the middle ages. Does the bible say to store up your wealth and decorate your grand cathedrals with golden trinkets, paintings, stained glass, marble etc? No, it says to take care of people who are unable to do so themselves. Help the poor, help widows, etc. Unless all the poor are taken care of, a church shouldn't have wealth. Did Jesus build a grand cathedral? Nope.

Again, denominations can have some messed up practices. Best to read the bible yourself and find like minded individuals, minus the politics.

>>6899142
>le protFAQ 101 wall of ranting, mary and confession
like a broken record. If you want answers, they're readily available and have been answered millions of times. Just know that if you don't know Mary, you don't know Jesus. It's that simple.
>but their riches
this is one I've seen less of at least, so I'll give you that
https://youtu.be/EOaJTObCsLs

>>6899159
I know Mary, in that she was a pure vessel from the proper bloodline. That's it. She isn't God, she can't answer prayers, she cant intercede. She should be respected for what she was, not worshiped or being shown adoration for being something she wasn't.

>this is one I've seen less of at least, so I'll give you that
That video is pretty much bullshit, he can't see the problem but he's justifying it. Tradition and centuries of explanation for something wrong doesn't make it right.

I have a feeling Jesus would be flipping tables in a lot of churches today. Showing wealth isn't showing God's grandeur, it's literally showing money and power which is not something worthy of worship. You can show someone God's grandeur from showing them a flower in the wilderness without hoarding wealth to try to wow people. This dude can talk circular logic about wealth showing God's grandeur all he wan't, but it's not correct.

BTW, it's hard to show in text, but I'm not trying to attack you or be mean or anything but I can't agree with something I think is wrong.

>>6897951
This is where Xenogears got the cross scene

>>6899246
>>6899246
>I know Mary, in that she was a pure vessel from the proper bloodline. That's it.
What do you mean that's it, you're just going to insult my mother like that? Here's something to consider. When you're dying on the cross, one thing that's happening is that your lungs are collapsing, making it extraordinarily painful to breathe, far more so to speak. Jesus, being a good Jewish boy, would not have waited until the last minute to come up with plans for his mother to be taken care of when he was gone. Oh, especially because as literally God he knew that his death was coming. Therefore, it is evident that Jesus waited to give Mary to John and John to Mary until he had ascended the cross to give it extra significance. Because any words spoken from the most important place in human history, of course, carry extra weight.

So who was Mary? Mary was a virgin prophesied to give birth to the Messiah. She believed the word of God delivered to her by Gabriel with faith, unlike Eve who disobeyed God via Satan's message
>Was a faithful Jewish girl and rejoiced in God her Saviour
>Immaculately conceived, i.e. born without original sin, and with God's grace, did not sin as intended for Adam and Eve (God didn't intend for man to "surely die"), that is, she was born in an initial state of grace or sanctification—the same kind as our first parents
>Was assumed into heaven body and soul
>Remained a virgin her whole life (Scripture also indicates she made a vow of virginity), and even after giving birth to Christ. Hence, "Mary ever-virgin" as the church fathers called her.
>She is the mother of God (for obvious reasons)
>in the Davidic Kingdom the mother of the king is the queen
>Mary is the mother of the foremost King in the line of David
>Jesus' Kingdom is that of heaven and not earth ergo Mary is the Queen of Heaven (Revelation 12:1, Psalm 45:9) and of the faithful ("the rest of her offspring" Revelation 12:17)

>>6899367
>>Remained a virgin her whole life
Jesus had brothers. They weren't immaculately conceived. Mary wasn't immaculately conceived either or you're ignoring federal headship, which was the entire point of the lineage described in the old testament. Again, you're worshiping her as a goddess and not giving her due respect for what she actually was. Yes, she was a faithful Jewish girl and rejoiced in God and her Savior. The mother of God in only meaning she gave virgin birth to Jesus, anything else is reading too much into it and heretical.

>>6897802
Yeah, and when American movies say "ancient Chinese secret" there's some genuine references to Confucius and far Eastern mysticism, but it's still just in there to sound cool.

>>6898787
Lol. You literally have niggers. Imagine turning your nose up at europe when you in a just as shitty situation

>>6897527
>crusades where White Europeans btfo the mudslimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

>>6899367
>protestantism is wrong because I say
>everything inconsistent that my religion teaches is right because I say
Ok groomed.

>>6899543
The last verse of Matthew chapter 1 even says that Joseph had sex with Mary after Jesus was born. As you said, Mary admitted thst Jesus was her Savior in Luke 1:47, meaning she wasn't sinless and that she was aware of this. Catholicism is an anti-Christian cult, whose teachings derive ultimately from Origen the universalist Alexandrian Gnostic and whose false history derives no earlier than from the 4th c. AD Arian, Eusebius of Caesarea. This explains why they can't read the Bible.

>>6899159
>this makes me mad, so let me just link you to a video of a pedophile I trust
Cope, papey.

>>6898783
>understand the truth doesn't care if you believe in it or not.
you're absolutely correct, however, I have not seen evidence that any of what you've talked about is true
i know, lack of evidence doesn't mean it isn't true, it may well all be true, i don't know, my argument is just that there's no evidence it /does/ exist, what reason do I have to follow a particular religion? promises of an unproven afterlife in an unproven place? realise that without evidence, you're argument holds as much water as a stoned hobo saying "dude trust me", i'm not trying to be rude when i write it like that, it's really what most of us see when you preach to us
i don't judge you for your beliefs, all i ask is you don't judge me for my [lack of] beliefs

personally, i think it's silly, but i don't go around telling christians i think it's silly (except obviously in cases like these where one is expecting my point of view)

>>6899739
>i don't judge you for your beliefs, all i ask is you don't judge me for my [lack of] beliefs

Totally fair and I try not to. The only thing I can say is if you read and understand the context of the bible, you won't find falsehoods. A document of that length written over a period of history will always falsify itself. Now you can say, oh in the old testament, God did so and so, which is against new testament teaching. If you study it and the meaning/reasons behind it actually doesn't.

Now look at catholic guy, he spouted all that stuff about Mary being a virgin until death. Someone else pointed out it literally says she was with Joseph and had other sons in the bible. This simple test says catholicism is not correct. The bible says one thing, and they say another. The bible doesn't falsify itself. Cults add or take away, or twist scripture to meet their ideas. That's why I say to read it yourself instead of believing what someone else tells you.

You won't find anything in the bible that tells you something you don't innately know is right or wrong. Honestly I don't try to convert people and such because there's nothing I can do to do so. It's up to God, through the Holy Spirit to convince someone. All I ask is, if you're genuinely curious, start reading the new testament and what Jesus actually taught. You don't have to believe, but I don't understand how anyone wouldn't want to at least read it out of curiosity. I mean, I don't believe Harry Potter is real, but they were enjoyable books. You can read the bible as an exercise in learning morality, historical thought etc. The thing is, most religions have some aspect of truth in them, but the bible and christianity as taught by Jesus is the only one I've found that actually aligns with the things you know inside yourself.

And thanks for not being a dick to others, I understand thinking it's silly, I did at one point. There's no reason to make fun of people for beliefs. Have a good night.

>>6899772
all good, just one last question though, do you or do you not accept that your beliefs may actually turn out to be false?
and no, i'm not going to say "then why believe in it" if you do, just curious, since you do seem pretty genuine, which i don't see very often (i know one person in real life as "hardcore" as you, doesn't believe in churches and the like, but man does he believe in the bible)

>>6899812
Not him, but that's a very baiting question. For your subtext, the Cosmological, Teleological, and Moral Arguments prove that God must exist and the resurrection evidence proves that Jesus is He, as He said. 100% of historians believe Jesus was crucified and the secular of those all believe that His earliest followers (over 500 people) all BELIEVED He resurrected.

>>6899849
*all believed that they personally saw Him resurrected

>>6899543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-p38y9cjU

>>6900143
>long confirmation bias video
This is really getting to you, isn't it? Matthew 1:25 says Joseph had sex with Mary after Jesus was born.

>>6900143
>long confirmation bias video making an argument from "ambiguity"
Matthew 1:25 says Joseph had sex with Mary after Jesus was born.

>>6900190
Anon please, the catholic church probably took that out of his bible.

>>6899849
Dont seek concrete facts and logic for proofs. There must be faith to believe. This means some piece of evidence will always be missing for anyone that wants to be scientific or rigorously convinced. Doubting Thomas lived with him and saw His works, and still didnt believe until he had the chance to stick his fingers in the wounds. What hope does a modern skeptic have then? Their chance to being saved isnt through historical evidence but through the Holy Ghost speaking to them.

>>6898212
What I want to know is why is there only one version of the Quran, but literally hundreds of different Bible versions? Only a lie has multiple versions...

>>6900190
The Greek heōs (ἕως) does roughly translate until (along with to, even, while, up to, unto, as far as, and a bunch of others depending on context). But it doesn't carry the implication of ending boundary as normally attributed to English words normally used to translate heōs.

Take Matthew 24:27 from the RSV "27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west" in this case "as far as" is the same word heōs but omits the implied "until" ending boundary of "from the east and shines until the west" would have it.

The short answer is the word in the Greek text doesn't have the same implied ending as the English usage of Until.

Think of the boundary of heōs as being a guarantee defined space with unknown on either side. For instance if I were to say. "The Sun was visible in the sky until noon, at which point I went inside" Implies the Sun became obscured at noon and at which point I went inside. The same sentence "The Sun was visible up to noon, at which point I went inside" the second case where there is no implied status following the boundary is a better use of the heōs concept of boundary.

>>6899812
>do you or do you not accept that your beliefs may actually turn out to be false?
Sure, could be. After careful study of the bible and as much other historical evidence I can find I do believe it's real. Could I be wrong? Possibly but what does it cause me to lose other than a bit of ego? I don't use my beliefs for power over others or as justification to do horrible things to others, so it's kind of no harm no foul.

I do genuinely believe it's true though, It makes logical sense and you can see god in everything.

>>6900190
imagine being this obsessed with the sex life of a tw*lve y*ar *ld

>>6899367
>Immaculately conceived, i.e. born without original sin, and with God's grace, did not sin as intended for Adam and Eve (God didn't intend for man to "surely die"), that is, she was born in an initial state of grace or sanctification—the same kind as our first parents
I always find this funny. For Jesus to be born without sin, his mother would also have to be born without sin. So was Mary's mother also without sin? Was all the Mary's lineage without sin? If Mary could be born without sin even though her mother was with sin, so could Jesus be born without sin even if Mary was or not without sin. Sounds like God's power was fucked up back then. Was 1 John 1:8-10 and Romans 3:23 telling a lie, then? So the Bible can't be trusted if God allowed people to write false words on it.
Original sin is a bullshit, anyway. If we go with Ezekiel 18:20, Isaiah 53:6 and Ephesians 2:1. Makes one wonder what is the point of the Bible if people is only going to ignore things to push their agenda.

>>6901394
>What I want to know is why is there only one version of the Quran, but literally hundreds of different Bible versions? Only a lie has multiple versions...

Good question (and ending B8). There's a plethora of reasons. Let's first address the "lie" as you put it. Some bibles, like the mormon bible is falsified purposely with things changed in order to fit their cult beliefs. I'm not talking the book of mormon, I'm talking the bible they will give people to get them hooked. They change and omit and yes, that translation is a lie.

The bible has went all over the world, so of course it has many translations to different languages. The bible tells us to go to all nations, so there's different translations.

Let's talk english. Some translations are better than others. The most accurate english ones that don't leave out meaning or context are NASB, ESV, KJV/NKJV or NIV. NIV isn't quite as literal but it tries to make the text flow better for english reading audience. If you want to read the original language, better learn hebrew and greek. There are lots of bibles that break stuff down into the original language, and most serious biblical scholars do in fact learn these languages, or at least have tons of reference materials on them. You think the video game translation people are anal about text differences? Imagine thousands of them devoting their life to a single game.

And as far as the quran, there are multiple translations.

>Let's reverse that whole sequence to better assist us in understanding how Muslims got their modern Quran.

>First there was the "original Quran."
>Then Muslims produced a version from that original.
>From that first version came another version.
>That second version had a variant.
>That variant had a variant.
>Then that variant was revised.
>The revision was also revised.
>And that final version is the Quran most Muslims have today.

Like the quran? Just read it, it doesn't match what you innately know are right/wrong or itself.

>>6902036
Oh, so you were just larping the whole time.

>>6901975
Princess, the adults are talking, no need to add cringy B8. It's ok though, Jesus still loves you.

>>6902036
https://carm.org/jesus-christ/why-wasnt-jesus-born-original-sin It has nothing to do with Mary or her nature, it's about federal headship and how sin is passed down.

>>6902056
I'm not the person you were talking before.

>>6902078
>how sin is passed down
"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child."

>>6897595
>An erosion of worker’s rights is why the world is turning to shit.
BASED

>>6902078
>Jesus still loves you
Well I like Jesus, I just don't consider him relationship material.

>>6902040
Dunno what mormons give previously. They just give out KJV around here.

>>6902084
>"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child."

Here's lots of reading if you're genuinely curious, I've not really researched this so I'll just leave this here:
https://effectualgrace.com/2012/03/15/original-sin-and-the-misuse-of-ezekiel-1820/

>It seems that the most frequently cited passage against original sin is probably Ezekiel 18:20. Taken out of context, this verse might seem quite helpful to the position against Original Sin. Once we read it in context, though, such a view of the verse collapses, for the verse is part of a larger rhetorical message, namely, if you repent, you will be saved – regardless of the sins of your parents or children.

Thanks for the verse, I'm going to check it out some more.

>>6902152
keks were had.

>>6902172
The one that they gave me was KJV but they had changed a few key parts to align with their beliefs, it was pretty subtle, also there was commentary in between some verses which had really strange conclusions. The other issue is, the book of mormon changes definitions, so for example, Adam to them is Michael the archangel, the bible says he was the first created man by whom all humanity descends, so when a mormon reads the bible, they are seeing it through these definitions which are tinted to align with their book.

>>6895903
>>6897507
>>6897642
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>>6898792
A jannie deleted my red-pill meme picture? Are people that thin skinned? That shit wasn't suppose to be taken seriously. The only reason I posted it is because it had objective info in it like the book of magic being the bible, the master sword being based on a nazi sword. Yeah it had some /pol/ cringe but jeeze.

>>6895906
Jannies are niggers.

Nintendo is mocking Christianity and the faggots ITT thinks they are portraying them in based way and shit lol
like this faggot said >>6902792 the magic book from Zelda games is the bible (in the japanese versions) and it's used in literal sorcery which is a sin in Christianity there is even wizard monsters in the game with the symbol of the Cross on their chest
Nintendo is treating the bible is a just a book of Witchcraft and when their Chtistcuck fans learned about this they thought it's cool thing kek

>>6901975
Christcucks are always obsessed with Muhammed and his 9 years old wife so why you get mad when people points out your religion is pedophilic as well?

>>6902792
blown the fuck out

>>6897552
>>6897554
>>6899705
>B-but of course, Islam was always part of Europe! Now let me in please

>>6901394
>there only one version of the Quran,
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAAHHAHHAHAAAHAHAA

I don't get why the janny deleted the Zelda = nazi post but left the rest of the thread untouched. At least the picture was actually related to retro games.

>>6901394
There are over 30 different Arabic Qurans. Sheik Yasir Qadhi recently admitted this, infamously. In addition, Sahaba (Companions of Muhammad) said that parts of the Quran have been lost permanently (such as at the Battle of Yamama) and that no Muslim should say they have the whole Qur'an.

There is only one Bible, preserved by God from error. It's called the Masoretic Text (Hebrew OT) and Textus Receptus (Greek NT).

What about mario? Why does he like brooklyn. Why is Peach blonde

>>6904103
>only one bible
delusional retard i wish it was you guys strapping yourselves with bombs instead

>>6900381
>Anon please, the catholic church probably took that out of his bible.
Oh, it's in his "bible" (both his ecumenical-Gnostic NACB and his Jesuit Douay-Rheims). This means even they are too afraid to allow him to read that and break free of the antichrist mafia system.
>Dont seek concrete facts and logic for proofs. There must be faith to believe.
Anon, Biblical Christianity is faith in facts (ie, not blind faith). That's why we trust only the faithful word of God for doctrine and practice. Our faith: Lord Jesus fulfilled the countless Old Testament prophecies and saved us when we individually accepted His gift of salvation in His blood (as He said He would). We trust on (have faith in) Christ because we HAVE the truth and the evidence. Faith basically means "integrity".

>>6901787
The next three uses of that Greek word all specifically mean "until" as you and I understand the word, and you're attempting to argue from ambiguity. James, Joses, Simon, and Jude were objectively the children of Joseph and Mary.

>>6901975
>>6902843
You're referencing a Gnostic forgery from over a century after the Apostles died, but official orthodox Muslim sources (Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim) both say several times that 50 year-old Muhammad had sex with a 9 year-old and the Qurans say having sex with prepubscent girls ("those that don't yet have menses") like doll-playing Aisha was is fine. Muhammad was a tranny like Sevenleaf is, and said he only received prophecy while wearing certain woman's clothes.

>>6902040
There are big issues in the NASB and ESV, brother, which were both translated in part by Catholics. They are not based on "the newest and best" manuscripts but on a minority of Gnostic Alexandrian readings and 1400-1800 AD forgeries of such which teach that Jesus "became God" (apotheosis). Scroll to Chapter One here to see some of their inconsistencies and errors for yourself: https://read.amazon.com/litb/B00KTV5GM2?f=2&l=en_US&ref_=look_inside

>>6902206
The one that they gave me was KJV but they had changed a few key parts to align with their beliefs, it was pretty subtle, also there was commentary in between some verses which had really strange conclusions. The other issue is, the book of mormon changes definitions, so for example, Adam to them is Michael the archangel, the bible says he was the first created man by whom all humanity descends, so when a mormon reads the bible, they are seeing it through these definitions which are tinted to align with their book.
Pretty perceptive, anon. Their notes do try to colour your perception a lot and deflect from what the text, itself, says. You are not far from the truth.

>>6904161
Nice counterargument. Seethe.

What the fuck even is this thread?

FUCK JANNIES
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK JANNIES
I FUCK HATE YOU SO MUCH SAGE

>>6902206
>The one that they gave me was KJV but they had changed a few key parts to align with their beliefs, it was pretty subtle, also there was commentary in between some verses which had really strange conclusions. The other issue is, the book of mormon changes definitions, so for example, Adam to them is Michael the archangel, the bible says he was the first created man by whom all humanity descends, so when a mormon reads the bible, they are seeing it through these definitions which are tinted to align with their book.
Pretty perceptive, anon. Their notes do try to colour your perception a lot and deflect from what the text, itself, says. They only keep the KJV out of tradition, even though it disproves their false doctrines often, hence their copious cope notes to evade its powerful words against Mormonism. You are not far from the truth (if you want it).

>>6904161
Nice counterargument. Seethe.

>>6904175
>You're referencing a Gnostic forgery from over a century after the Apostles died
same cope can be used with Islam
the oldest Hadith sources about the 9 years old girl were written 100 years after the death of the prophet and it was in central Asia far from Arabia
>Qurans say having sex with prepubscent girls is fine
so is Christianity, christians married children through their entire history until the last few centuries with the rise of secularism
the bible says nothing about the age of consent after all Mary was 12 years old when she was married so don't try to cope
>a tranny
says the one who worships a kike who was crucified naked by mere humans despite being a God lol

>>6904103
>There is only one Bible, preserved by God from error
but this Christranny says the bible witnessed forgeries and shit >>6904175

>>6904175
>There are big issues in the NASB and ESV
What english translation do you think it a good one?

>>6904175
>Scroll to Chapter One here to see some of their inconsistencies and errors for yourself
Interesting, I'll have to pick that book up. Thanks for the link.

>>6904193
>You are not far from the truth (if you want it).
Sure, lay some truth on me.

>>6904289
You're coping hardcore, Mohammedan. Quran 65:4 says Muslims can marry prepubescent girls ("those that have not yet menstruated"). Pic related is from an Islamic Sheik that said Muhammad ejaculated between Aisha's thighs when she was age 6-9. The oldest Hadith sources about the 9 years old girl were written 100 years after the death of the prophet and it was in central Asia far from Arabia
Again, Sahih Muslim and Bukhari are authoritative Muslim sources and they and Muslims Sheiks agree she was nine when Muhammad molested her. In contrast, the Apostles were all dead by 100 AD. The Gnostic Apocrypha you're referencing was written long after this, which is why that Apocrypha considered a fake by EVERY Christian and historian.

>>6904305
Muhammad cheerfully dressed up in women's clothing according to Sahih Muslim and Bukhari and french-kissed his infant grandsons Hassan and Hussein.

>>6904373
Blessings, brother! I think you will enjoy it and will highly value it. Your open-mind will come in very handy for you, soon.

>>6904305
The people who tried to make counterfeit Bibles wrote the Qur'an, hence why the Qur'ans directly plagiarize A LOT of fables from the Jewish Talmud and pagan Gnosticism (example: "Syriac Alexander Legend"). Christians have always had the Bible, and we still have copies of the same preserved word of God from before, during, and after Muhammad.

>>6904696
"Syriac Alexander Legend" fable was plagiarized in Qur'an Surah 18:83-101.

some protestant knobhead in here thinks Catholics aren't Christian because they don't autistically follow the bible down to every letter and have other sources of inspiration
I'm sorry, but New Testament already has ancient Greek influence

>>6904726
So you're mad because your 4th century paganism is often contradicted by what God said and what the Apostles did.

>>6899110
wait, wtf is going on with their continuity? I thought zelda was like final fantasy in that each game/game series is its own continuity. are they trying to push the idea that zelda is a story that retells itself differently through time and with the same characters?

>>6904726
The old testament is also based on earlier works but each religious person picks their own favorite version and claims it's the one true one.

>>6899142
I'll say this, having read what's here there's a lot I disagree with you on various levels but it's not a discussion I feel like getting into here and I'm not looking to change your mind. You sound like a true Christian though which I commend.

One of the things that turned me off was working in a church for 14 years, and meeting virtually no one who practiced what they preached or seemed to have even read their own book.

>>6904797
It is. MUH OFFISHUL TIMELINE ruined everything.

>>6904696
All religions in that region borrow heavily from each other. Even the New Testament is mostly Babilonian and Egyptian myths, and of course the Old Testament is the Torah. Down to the rituals like drinking wine and saying it's god's blood and eating bread and saying it's god's flesh, which is an ancient Dionisian rite, religions from that region borrow heavily from each other. That's just how it is.

>>6904803
>The old testament is also based on earlier works but each religious person picks their own favorite version and claims it's the one true one.
It's not. There are earlier writings that variously deify persons and events accounted in the Old Testament, however.

>>6899772
so which bible is the one to trust? the old or new testament?

>>6904726
New Testament is made from Shumerian, Babilonian and Egyptian stories as well as Greek philosophy and religions, including a whole lot of stuff from Athenian philosophy. The mother watching her son resurrect is basically the Osiris myth.

>>6904812
>Even the New Testament is mostly Babilonian and Egyptian myths
Zero, but nice try, Bill Maher of Kid Love Productions.
>Down to the rituals like drinking wine and saying it's god's blood and eating bread and saying it's god's flesh, which is an ancient Dionisian rite, religions from that region borrow heavily from each other.
That's not anywhere in the Bible nor is practiced by Christians.

>>6904817
The Bible is a collection of books. The word itself is Greek "ta biblia", the books, plural.

>>6904821
100% of historians agree the New Testament is a reliable historical resource for the beginnings of Christianity and the life of Jesus. Mythicism is long debunked anti-history.

>>6904817
The Holy Bible is both the Old and New Testament. The New Testament is a fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old Testament.

I am gay I like to stick my dick in men's assholes

>>6904815
It really is.

>>6904651
>Quran 65:4 says Muslims can marry prepubescent girls
no it doesn't you faggot
marrying a non prepubescent women is not allowed
anyway you Crossrats are pedos too since your bible didn't say anything about the age of consent and you didn't provide any argument to debunk this because you know it's true
once again your holy Mary married at the age of 12
>Sahih Muslim and Bukhari are authoritative Muslim sources
MAJOR COPE
if you consider the hadiths written by people that didn't live at the time of the prophet as unquestionable legit then it can be said the same about the Apocypha or whatever
>the Apostles were all dead by 100 AD.
and the Sahaba were all dead by the time Sahih and Bukhari were written
by the way the Muslim scholars never agreed on the age of Aisha some say she was 16 18 and even 20 but you Christrannies only picked the sources of 6 and 9 years old and you get mad when people pick up the source of Mary being 12 years old when she was married kek
>dressed up in women's clothing according to Sahih Muslim and Bukhari
why are you lying kike worshipper? that's a Shia myth no one believes in
>french-kissed his infant grandsons
so? kissing you family is okay you mentally ill pig and its' called FRENCH kiss which means the Christian French do it to (they actually to their kids)
>that pic
imagine seething at someone having sex with his wife
Christians are far more degenerate anal sex in Christianity is allowed which is a sin in Islam
enjoy sticking your dick in the shithole Christranny

>>6904696
>The people who tried to make counterfeit Bibles wrote the Qur'an
source; your Christranny ass
>Syriac Alexander Legend
those are made up stories by Gayreek Christrannies about their beloved pagan Alexander
the story of the gog and magog gates is true bit it wasn't Alexander the Gay present at it, the men who built the gates was a believer in God and he was a king that managed to reach the far east and west, clearly it wasn't Alexander the Gay who was degenerate pagan and didn't even march to the east
Orthodox Gyareeks as usual wanted to paint their ancestors in a positive light

>>6902792
They delete it every time, truth burns like fire to tranny jannies

>>6904827
>>6904831
basola

>>6904889
It isn't, and you're grasping at straws.

>>6904890
Qur'an Surah 65:4 says you can only divorce your prepubescent wife ("those who have not yet menstruated") after three months. Divorce means to unmarry your wife, anon. Even your most truated scholars say exactly this: Fath al-Bari – the most authoritative commentary on Sahih Al-Bukhari

واللائي لم يحضن , فجعل عدتها ثلاثة أشهر قبل البلوغ أي فدل على أن نكاحها قبل البلوغ جائز

"and those who haven't menstruated yet: He made the waiting period ('idda) three months [for those who] haven't menstruated yet, WHICH INDICATES THAT GIVING HER INTO MARRIAGE BEFORE PUBERTY IS PERMISSIBLE."
>if you consider the hadiths written by people that didn't live at the time of the prophet as unquestionable legit then it can be said the same about the Apocypha or whatever
Doesn't work that way, copey. Sahih Muslim and Bukhari are authoritative sources of Islam according to Islamic scholars. The fake document that you can't even name in order to justify your false prophet's pedophilia is recognized as fake according to EVERY historian and Christian.
>by the way the Muslim scholars never agreed on the age of Aisha some say she was 16 18 and even 20
Every Muslim source says Aisha was molested by your false prophet at the age of 9. There is not a single Islamic source that says she was above the age 9 when Muhammad molested her.
>Muhammad crossdressing is a Shia myth!
Shias don't believe in Sahih Bukhari, anon. Pic related.
>so Prophet Muhammad made out with his baby grandsons and kissed their penises. that's completely normal and hetero and absolutely not gay, I swear!
Ok Muhammad.
>Muhammad didn't ejaculate into prepubescent Aisha's thighs even though I'm looking at my scholar saying he did.
Cope.

>>6904902
Qur'an Surah 18:83-101 copied from the pagan fable "Syrian Alexander Legend", anon.

>>6905063
>"Syrian Alexander Legend"
an altered story inspired from the legend and story of Du Al Qarnayn (the real hero of the story)
Alexander wasn't even mentioned in the Quran, Du Al Qarnayn was a Monotheistic believer he wasn't a pagan therefore he can't be Alexander
if you insist that Islam stole the story from pagans then you should also recognize the bible stole the story of ''Jesus being born from a virgin and his resurrection from the dead'' is stolen from Egyptian and Hindus tales
>WHICH INDICATES THAT GIVING HER INTO MARRIAGE BEFORE PUBERTY IS PERMISSIBLE."
true but having sexual intercourse isn't allowed until she hits puberty (around 9 years old)
the hadiths you like to claim also stated the prophet waited for Aisha 3 years until she reached puberty
meanwhile in Christianity there is nothing about this subject Jesus didn't change the Jewish traditions of child marriage (in the old testament 3 years old is the age of consent) and there is many documented facts about Chirstian kings who married 7 years old girls (which is pre-pubescent) but to be fair there is no evidence whether they had intercourse or waited
>pedophilia is recognized as fake according to EVERY historian and Christian.
stop coping even Christians knows pedophilia concept is made by atheists in the last century and there is nothing in the bible that condemn child marriage nothing at all, Mary was
years old (and you didn't debunk this yet) and Christians married children through their entire history and so is jews
if you claim Islam is bad because of Muh pedophilia then you should also stop believing in your same pedophilic religion
but ofc you are a hypocrite you reject what you don't like in Christianiy and only claim what suits you
it doesn't work like you honey, whether you take all what the religion offers or none
>molested
>molesting you wife
you are pathetic hypocrite cunt, Saint Joseph also molested the mother of your God here you go let's see how will you cope with this

>>6905063
>Shias don't believe in Sahih Bukhari
irrelevant, the shit you mentioned about wearing women dress is not in Sahih, post it if you insist on your lies
>into prepubescent Aisha's
it doesn't say anything about her age at that time Mr.hypocrite

Retro games.

why every thread about Christianity in this site turns into Islam hate thread?
do Muslims live rent free in the heads of Christians?

>>6905334
Anyone with half a neuron hates sandniggers.

>>6905343
>sandniggers.
which one? the Semitic arabic sandnigger religion or the semitic jewish sandnigger religion (Christiantiy)?

>>6904985
You're delusional or uninformed. It's widely documented.

>>6905343
All three of the middle eastern death cults viciously hate each other because they're all variations of the same thing claiming their flavor is the one true one dictated by G*D and they're all raised from birth that the other two are disgusting heretics.

If they hadn't infected and fucked over the world as much as they have with their endless pissing contest it would be pretty funny.

>>6905276
>Du Al Qarnayn was a Monotheistic believer he wasn't a pagan therefore he can't be Alexander
Most historians and your own scholars agree that Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander. That story was written centuries before Muhammad existed, in 338 AD.
>true but having sexual intercourse isn't allowed until she hits puberty (around 9 years old)
So you now agree she was 9. Your scholars say she hadn't reached puberty at 9 because she was still playing with dolls. "Narrated `Aisha:

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, NOT YET REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/78/157
>stop coping even Christians knows pedophilia concept is made by atheists in the last century
So now you're saying it's okay if Muhammad had sex with prepubescent children? Disgusting.

>>6905286
>irrelevant, the shit you mentioned about wearing women dress is not in Sahih, post it if you insist on your lies
Then why did you bring up Shias? You trying to say absolutely anything until something sticks? lol I already posted the Sahih Bukhari reference to your false prophet bragging about being a tranny in the pic here >>6905063.

>>6905454
Reread this post >>6904815. You're not making a rational argument by appealing to ambiguity or random authority instead of to evidence.

>>6905553
I read that when you first wrote it.
So what you're saying is there were various recountings of ancient events and you acknowledge that some older than the Old Testament tell basically the same stories, but maintain that the Christian version of whichever bible you follow is the one true expression given to you by God?

>>6905472
>t.

>>6905596
Some ancient accounts recount that information in garbled or mysticized ways. These accounts are dated older because they were from cultures that had the means to write and preserve writings. The Old Testament does not deify human beings as these Mesopotamian myths do and tells a much more "uninteresting" version, which is what historians call "the principal of embarrassment", indicating that such data is true rather than an embellishment.

>>6905536
>Most historians and your own scholars agree that Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander
only few ones do
most Muslim scholars knows Alexander The Gay isn't Du Al Qarnayn for the two reasons i mentioned (being pagan and the fact he didn't reach the far west)
>That story was written centuries before Muhammad existed
so?
by your logic the story of the crucifixion and resurrection of Horus is also the source of the Jesus story
>So you now agree she was 9.
i don't know there is many different claims and frankly i don't care, am not criticizing child marriage am defending it but you are attacking child marriage because of muh pedophilia despite the fact your religion is also pedophilic according to your logic
>l, NOT YET REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY.
there is no texts saying the Prophet had intercourse with her until she reached puberty (hence why he waited 3 years)
meanwhile Christianity doesn't condemn sex with prepubscent children just like ther fellow Judaism
>Then why did you bring up Shias?
because the shit you posted is Shia claims
>I already posted the Sahih Bukhar
>wrong hadith number
here is the real one by that number retard https://sunnah.com/bukhari/46/3

''as for that specific hadith in your pic here it is
Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the BEDS except that of Aisha."

source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/51/16

so your sources comes from fake altered hadiths from r/ex-muslim? lol
also why you keep evading replying to my points regarding the pedophilic Christianity? you know it's true aren't you :)

>>6905637
>only few ones do
most Muslim scholars knows Alexander The Gay isn't Du Al Qarnayn for the two reasons i mentioned (being pagan and the fact he didn't reach the far west)
You're grasping at straws, abdul. Qur'an Surah 18:83-101 from a pagan myth written in 338 AD.
>so? n-no u!
Look up "tu quoque logical fallacy." Are you admitting the Qur'an ("Allah") copied material from a fictional account, now?
>there is no texts saying the false Prophet had intercourse with her until she reached puberty
*WHICH INDICATES THAT GIVING HER INTO MARRIAGE BEFORE PUBERTY IS PERMISSIBLE intensifies*
>aha here's the real hadiths
Nope, those are not the same hadiths. Direct quote of Sahih Bukhari 2442 found here https://web.archive.org/web/20200219231753/http://bewley.virtualave.net/bukhari20.html

"They said to her, 'Speak to him until he speaks to you.' He went around to her and she spoke to him. He said to her, 'Do not injure me regarding 'A'isha. The revelation does not come to me when I am in the GARMENT of any woman except 'A'isha.'" She said, "She said, 'I repent to Allah from injuring you, Messenger of Allah.'"

Here are some more saying the same thing: Sahih Bukhari 2393:
"then the prophet said to her, “Do not hurt me with Aisha, for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was in a women's garment [fee thawb imra’ah] except that of Aisha.”
Bukhari 3941:
“O Um Salama! Do not hurt me with Aisha; for by Allah, the inspiration did not descent on me while I was in the coverings (lihaf) of any of you (women) except Aisha.”
Sahih Muslim 4472:
"Aisha, the wife of the prophet, said, “The wives of the prophet sent Fatimah, the daughter of the prophet, to him and she requested permission to enter while he was lying down on my bed (wearing) in (fee) my robe (Mirt)."

>>6905637
>only few ones do most Muslim scholars knows Alexander The Gay isn't Du Al Qarnayn for the two reasons i mentioned (being pagan and the fact he didn't reach the far west)
You're grasping at straws, abdul. Qur'an Surah 18:83-101 from a pagan myth written in 338 AD.
>so? n-no u!
Look up "tu quoque logical fallacy." Are you admitting the Qur'an ("Allah") copied material from a fictional account, now?
>there is no texts saying the false Prophet had intercourse with her until she reached puberty
*WHICH INDICATES THAT GIVING HER INTO MARRIAGE BEFORE PUBERTY IS PERMISSIBLE intensifies*
>aha here's the real hadiths
Nope, those are not the same hadiths. Direct quote of Sahih Bukhari 2442 found here https://web.archive.org/web/20200219231753/http://bewley.virtualave.net/bukhari20.html

"They said to her, 'Speak to him until he speaks to you.' He went around to her and she spoke to him. He said to her, 'Do not injure me regarding 'A'isha. The revelation does not come to me when I am in the GARMENT of any woman except 'A'isha.'" She said, "She said, 'I repent to Allah from injuring you, Messenger of Allah.'"

Here are some more saying the same thing: Sahih Bukhari 2393:
"then the prophet said to her, “Do not hurt me with Aisha, for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was in a women's garment [fee thawb imra’ah] except that of Aisha.”
Bukhari 3941:
“O Um Salama! Do not hurt me with Aisha; for by Allah, the inspiration did not descent on me while I was in the coverings (lihaf) of any of you (women) except Aisha.”
Sahih Muslim 4472:
"Aisha, the wife of the prophet, said, “The wives of the prophet sent Fatimah, the daughter of the prophet, to him and she requested permission to enter while he was lying down on my bed (wearing) in (fee) my robe (Mirt)."

Muhammad was a proud tranny!

>>6905826
>You're grasping at straws
if you really believe this then i assume you also accept the most important story of the Christian religion is stolen from Horus and Krishna tales?
>>6905826
>copied material from a fictional account
no, you are the one claiming it did, yet at the same time cope when i pointed the pagan origins of various bible tales
come to think of it Christians as so fond of paganism they made Pagan deities into saints KEK
http://piereligion.org/pagansaints.html
>WHICH INDICATES THAT GIVING HER INTO MARRIAGE BEFORE PUBERTY IS PERMISSIBLE
so Jews fucked 3 years old children (the lowest age of marriage in Judaism) and since Christianity followed their lead in that regard (Jesus didn't try to change this aspect of Judaism) this also means Christians fucked prebuscent children for most of their history
once again this is according to your logic Mr.cope
>Direct quote of Sahih Bukhari 2442 found here
>expect me to trust a shady site over the most accurate and reliable English site for Hadiths
that's a pathetic cope anon, i too can link you sites that claims to have the real versions of the bible that features things like ''homosexuality isn't a sin'' or ''racism is okay''
>I was in the coverings (lihaf)
lol Lihaf literally means ''Comforter'' it's not a dress


an keep ignoring my points regarding Christianity you cuck, am glad you finally realized it's a false religion hence why you didn't even bother to argue against my claims

>>6905912 #
>if you really believe this then i assume you also accept the most important story of the Christian religion is stolen from Horus and Krishna tales?
You're using a tu quoque fallacy, again. Quran Surah is 18:83-101 copied from the pagan fable "Syrian Alexander Legend" of 338 AD, and you are afraid to deal with this.
>no, you are the one claiming it did
This is a well-known fact, anon. Neither Horus nor Krishna had anything to do with copious amounts of Old Testament prophecies about Jesus paying the price for man's sin and being resurrected, but "Syrian Alexander Legend" has a LOT to do with the Qur'ans' tendency to replicate Gnostic and Talmudic fables that were ALREADY popular in Arabia before Muhammad said he was a prophet.
>so Muhammad is pedo, that means u are too, poopy stupid head
You're using tu quoque again, because you can't deny that your false prophet was a pedophile and is in hell. Jews and their 3 year old disgusting is from the Talmud (300 AD), which the Quran copied from directly and which Christians have NEVER followed. You're simping for your pedo tranny prophet.
>that's a pathetic cope anon, i too can link you sites that claims to have the real versions of the bible that features things like ''homosexuality isn't a sin'' or ''racism is okay''
So now you agree that many Sahih Hadiths say Muhammad was a tranny. Lol. Which goalposts will you try to move next, Mohammedan?
>Lihaf literally means ''Comforter'' it's not a dress
As the quoted Hadith says, lihaf literally means "coverings", you liar, and it specifically refers to a female Arabian garment. Proof: http://irfi.org/articles/women_in_islam/women_in_islam_hijab.htm

Those other hadiths above such as Sahih Bukhari 2393 say Muhammad was wearing a WOMAN'S GARMENT (Ar. "fee thawb imra’ah"), as well, so this is inescapable for you. Muhammad was a tranny and you love him!

>>6902843
Big difference when the founder of a religion is a pedophile and people going against Christianity's teachings are pedophiles

>>6904803
>One of the things that turned me off was working in a church for 14 years, and meeting virtually no one who practiced what they preached or seemed to have even read their own book.

Yeah, it's hard to find people that follow the teachings of Jesus in most churches. I think it's because the preacher never really preaches the word, just self help bullshit. That's why even if someone grew up in a church and are now atheist, they've probably never actually heard the teachings of Jesus that are straight from/in the bible. If you grow up in an environment of hypocritical bullshit, why would you think it was real? You wouldn't. Better to read it yourself and research things that you have questions about. Honestly church culture has probably created more atheists and deeply hurt more than any other group because most of what they preach and practice isn't from the bible.

>>6905912
>come to think of it Christians as so fond of paganism they made Pagan deities into saints KEK

Anon, Catholics aren't Christians. Christians do not deify or display pictures/statues of saints, many do not even want paintings of Jesus as they can lead to worshiping a made up image. Catholicism is a cult, they worship ancestors, pray to dead saints, and incorporate pagan ideas and beliefs. They have no truth, but they are great at money games, power, and evil actions. Look at the atrocities they committed in the past. The bible does not condone their actions, in fact it's dead against the things they did.

>>6905630
So that's a yes?

>>6907104
Indeed, I read all the teachings of Jesus and he was a very wise man who tried to impart many important lessons. But he wasn't the Messiah and is probably rolling in his grave over how his legacy has been dredged and manhandled these last two millennia.

WOW COOL RETRO VIDEO GAMES GUYS

>>6902040
>The bible tells us to go to all nations,
If your religion tells you to go to different countries and spread your beliefs and values where they aren't wanted, your religion is colonialism.

>>6902792
/pol/fags are incapable of identifying comedy when it's not in the form of "ooga booga other tribe bad" so you unfortunately can't post anything like that without turning the thread into... this

I don't get why the janny deleted the Zelda = nazi post but left the rest of the thread untouched. At least the picture was actually related to retro games.

>>6908549
B-b-b-b-but it's in his one true special version of that book! So it MUST be true. Don't question don't question don't question!!!

>>6906751
>people going against Christianity's teachings are pedophiles
Christianity is pedophilic retard mary was 12 years old when she was married
and according to Crossrats she give birth jesus while she was underage therefore Christrannies believe God IMPREGNANT an underage girl
no matter how you cope this will always be a fact
>>6906182
>once again the Christranny pig copes and repeats his same shit after i BTFO'd him countless times
i won't play with you until you grow some balls and defend Cucktianity, come on show the evidence to why Christianitys isn't a pedophilic pagan religion?
>>6907104
>Christians do not deify or display pictures/statues of saints,
so who is the real Christians? the Orthodox? because they are the same idolatry cult

>>6909573
>Christianity is pedophilic retard mary was 12 years old when she was married
Keep simping for your pedo, tranny false prophet. There's absolutely no evidence Mary was 12, and all extant evidence is that Mary and Joseph were around the same age, likely in their late teens or in their 20s.
>come on show the evidence to why Christianitys isn't a pedophilic pagan religion?
Because there is no evidence that it is, while Muslims kiss and pray to a rock structure daily while praying to Muhammad (who Allah, their god, prays for ("yusala"), according to the Quran lololololol)
>so who is the real Christians? the Orthodox? because they are the same idolatry cult
Shias are more consistently Muslim than you, rock-worshipping pedo. You are a coping retard and have contradicted yourself about a million times in this thread, desperately trying to deflect and protect Tranny Muhammad and to avoid dealing with your fable-plagiarizing Qurans.

>>6909541
>simping for a literal tranny
Gross.

>>6907209
The answer is again that your preferred ancient "source account" is an embellishment of the truth contained in the Old Testament, verifying that the OT is actual historical record.

>>6907624
>But he wasn't the Messiah
Either you're retarded or Jewish or both. Jesus both said He was the Messiah, fulfilled every qualification for being the Messiah, and fulfilled many Old Testament prophecies about the then-future Messiah.

>>6907624
>probably rolling in his grave
His tomb is still empty, retard. He is risen, as He said.

>>6908718
>The left can meme gaiz, i swear!!!!!!

>>6908549
If your identity is getting upset at people not referring to you as female even though you are biologically and clearly male, your identity is colonialism.

>>6911306
You should re-read what you wrote and think about it critically. You sound completely ridiculous.

>>6911290
>>6911290
>There's absolutely no evidence Mary was 12
COPE
she was 12 and Joseph was 90 and she was impregnant by GOD according to Christrannies therefore this mean you are worshiping a Pedo God
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/30/marriage-of-mary-to-joseph-the-carpenter/

post your evidence now you Crosscuck

>>6911349
Nice fanfiction. Jesus was a wise man who died tragically and his friends all shat on his legacy.

>>6895903
Does it have anything to do with OOT having an Islamic symbol and chant for the bad guys before they took it out?

>>6913793
that chant was in the temple of fire which belonged to the Gorons an they are supposed yo be good guys and allies of Link and Zelda
as for the symbols the crescent and the moon are exclusive to Islam, they date to longer than any of the Abrahamic religion and haven't you ever seen
i think Nintendo motive of including the crescent and the moon had nothing to do with Islam but rather with wizards and magic
see the hat in the video below it's quite common in western cartoons and movies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpKA9n-75tQ

>>6914015
Yes but historically the reason why the crescent and the moon are associated with wizards and magic is because Arab countries were often associated with pagan magic and other heretical things including after Islam so the association is still basically there.

>>6914707
the crescent and the star were always associated with pagans and magic even before Islam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_and_crescent#Origins_and_predecessors

in fact there is nothing in Islam literature (Quran or Hadiths) that says anything about the crescent and the moon, turns out the symbol was used by the Christian Byzantines and it was later adopted by the Ottomans when they conquered Constantinople and since the Ottomans were the main Islamic power at the time the symbol became associated with Islam by everyone

>>6914015
>the symbols the crescent and the moon are exclusive to Islam

Fun as it is to watch you btfo fundamentalist Xtians, you also need to be correct with your facts. The crescent and star were adopted by Islam and are now primarily associated with it, but the symbol predates the founding of that religion by at least several millennia. As with many things like various myths it was something the new religions used and recontextualized for their own purposes.

In someways an unfair analogy, but it's similar to the Nazis adopting the swastika (inverting it) and then using it as their symbol.

>>6905605
I wasn't even being edgy, that's just the bare bones truth.

Isn't Link an elf? Did Jesus also let himself get necked for elf sins in addition to human sins? Do elves even have original sin? Did Zelda eat a bad apple in the distant past?

>>6911363
Way to prove his point lol.

>>6915896
He was referring to religions and cultures of today, but thanks for BTFOing Islam by admitting it wholly uses pagan iconography, just like the Qur'an plagiarized pagan texts.

>>6917940
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand lefty memes.

>>6912084
It sounds like you've never heard anything like this before and are unfamiliar with historical methods like the principle of embarrassment.

>>6918075
You say that as if Christianity is any different or better lol.

>>6918096
Ohh I am very familiar what you're saying is genuinely ridiculous to the point of being funny.

>>6915720
Solomon's Seal (eg, the pentagram flag of Morocco), a major Islamic symbol and justification for Muslim sorcery and alchemy, is justified in the Qur'an because it plagiarizes this made-up story from the Jewish Talmud.

>>6918103
Can you get much more defensive? You're welcome to look up the principle of embarrassment.

>>6918105
>Solomon's Seal
are you blind that star on Morocco flag is not Solomon's seal (the six pointed star), it's just a regular normal star, i looked it up and seems like the meaning behind the star in Morocco is to represent the five pillars of Islam and funnily enough Christians also used it before to represent the five wounds of Jesus
>justification for Muslim sorcery and alchemy
both sorcery and alchemy are sins in Islam in fact sorcery is considered Shirk (idolatry)
>justified in the Qur'an
source
>made-up story from the Jewish Talmud.
what story?

>>6912607
>maybe Muhammad was a pedophile, but it's okay that he was a pedophile because whatabout
You keep wanting this to be evidence to justify your tranny false prophet's pedophilia, but it will never be. It is universally rejected as fake no matter how much you want it not to be.

But let's just say it was real. Mary was 14 accodrding to your quotation in the link you posted. That's not 6 or 9, which is prepubescent and also allowable to marry and have sex with according to Sunni Islamic scholars, as already quoted. This still doesn't help you at all, pedo worshipper.

>>6918112
I'm not defensive I just think you're kind of an idiot. You acknowledge the stories are way older than your book but discount them because they're too mystical even though your book is also full of mystical bullshit. Then you believe your one specific version is the absolute true one because it's less garbled to you. There's no embarrassment to be had because I also don't think the old stories are any more true. They're all just stories, some of which are about events in the ancient past and others whole made narratives to make a point.

Trying to claim that the old testament is the one true version because it says it is and you believe it is absurd. You might as well be trying to say Ted Woolsey's Final Fantasy 6 script is the objective true one. I know this is your belief system but from the outside it's really funny. And watching you and the uppity Islamfan spit at each other solid comedy.

>>6918157
>Mary was 14 accodrding to your quotation in the link you posted
12 or 14 it doesn't matter she's still an underage and according to the laws forced on Christrannies by their atheist masters having intercourse with her is a Pedophilia and what's worse if the Crosscuck believe God impregnant her so this means you worship a Pedo God
no matter how you cope this will never change and everything time i see a Crossrat criticizing Islam because of Aisha i'll expose them as Pedo worshipers to everyone
>have sex with
faggot please i already proved to you having sex with prepubescent is not allowed in Islam and you posted an evidence yourself (that Hadith about the prophet waiting 3 years when he married Aisha)
meanwhile Cucktianity didn't say anything about this matter in fact many Christian kings married younger girls some of them were 7 years old and yes they fucked them
and Muslims do not worship the prophet but the Crossrats do worship a PEDO GOD
kys pedo worshiper

>>6918105
>are you blind that star on Morocco flag is not Solomon's seal
Solomon's seal has been drawn using both pentagrams and hexagrams. It is fully acknowledged that Morocco's flag is the seal of solomon: "the pentagram represents the seal of Solomon.[4]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Morocco
>both sorcery and alchemy are sins in Islam in fact sorcery is considered Shirk (idolatry)
Cope, retard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy_and_chemistry_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world Also, your favourite tranny Muhammad, himself, said was bewitched for over a year and also said, himself, that he was possessed by Satan when he revealed the Satanic Verses.
>source for Qurans' teaching of seal of Solomon
Surah 38:36-38 is referencing the "Testament of Solomon" and the Talmud (Gittin 68) when it says that Solomon used the seal to command wind devils. This tale is recognized by historians as Gnostic fiction from 200-300 AD (Solomon lived in around 900 BC).

>>6918160
>I don't have an argument. I just dislike it.
Typical of a retarded fedora.

>>6918187
>It is fully acknowledged that Morocco's flag is the seal of solomon
is the pentagram is also the seal of soloman this means Christrannies also used a jewish symbol of sorcery
https://www.ldsdaily.com/personal-lds-blog/the-five-wounds-of-christ-the-pentagram-and-lds-temple-symbolism/
>>6918187
>Cope, retard
cope with this Crossrat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_European_magic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_European_magic
Christrannies are wizards and sorcerers
>said was bewitched for over a year
yes bewitched by a jew you retard, he did not practice magic like the Christrannies accused Solomon (a prophet) of being a Wizard
>Satanic Verses.
meme story never happened just like the fairy tale of Jesus turning water into wine (which is a sin to drink) but Christannies used it as justification to keep getting consume alcohol
>Solomon used the seal to command wind devils
retard the seal was not the source of his power it was the will of God
this is like saying the staff of Moses have superpowers (when it was God will that saved the jews from the Pharaoh) or the Christrannies who believes in the mystical power of the holy grail and the holy lance
>Gnostic fiction
Jesus crucification is Gnostic fiction it was stolen from the story of the egyptian God Horus

>>6918193
You're the one who should be trying to explain what you think makes whatever version of the old testament you prefer the objective true one. I'm simply pointing out how ridiculous your claim is to say that out of so many versions of ancient tales believed just as strongly by millions over the centuries why the one you happened to be raised with is true while the others are all perversions.

Also discounting some older stories because they deify characters and then turn around and claim Jesus is literally a demigod is quite something.

>>6918167
So you're okay with Muhammad being a pedophile as long as someone else was? Lol.
>12 or 14 it doesn't matter she's still an underage
Most girls reach puberty exactly between the 12-14 years, not 9 or 6 (as even Islamic scholars admit, hence why they say it was okay for only Aisha to play with dolls). And yet that writing is believed by absolutely no one except for desperate Muslims, so your efforts are in vain.
>faggot please i already proved to you having sex with prepubescent is not allowed
Reposting the quote from Fath al-Bari – the most authoritative commentary on Sahih Al-Bukhari: "and those who haven't menstruated yet: He made the waiting period ('idda) three months [for those who] haven't menstruated yet, WHICH INDICATES THAT GIVING HER INTO MARRIAGE BEFORE PUBERTY IS PERMISSIBLE."
>Muslims do not worship the prophet
Then why do you pray to him daily ("assalaamu ‘alayka ‘ayyuhan-Nabiyyu - Peace be upon YOU, O Prophet") and kill when someone draws him?

>>6918193
>I don't have an argument
this is rich coming from the Christranny who couldn't debunk his worship of a Pedo God, Jesus story being copied from Horus and Krishna,and the fact his holly book is recognized universally as being fabricated and altered many times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il-Joaulnlc

>>6918215
I did, and you just got mad and are apparentrly still mad. I don't know how you can be so virulently for those tales as being sources of the Old Testament when you reject methods of veracity used by historians, other than for your confirmation bias and cope.

>>6918218
>So you're okay with Muhammad being a pedophile
i don't believe in Pedophilia it's a meme term
but you Christranny are you okay with being a hypocrite cunt? you criticize Islam for this '''pedophilia''' despite your religion being more pedophilic (you have no age of consent and your GOD is pedo by your retarded logic)
>>6918218
>Most girls reach puberty exactly between the 12-14 years
the lowest age for puberty is 8 you ignorant fool
'''It's completely normal for puberty to begin at any point from the ages of 8 to 14.'''
source; https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/stages-of-puberty-what-happens-to-boys-and-girls/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20for%20girls,ages%20of%208%20to%2014.

by the way are you now justifying your pedo God by saying oh Mary was 14 so it's okay?
fucking kek you are pathetic a pedo is a pedo whether his victim is 6 or 14 that's what you said
>WHICH INDICATES THAT GIVING HER INTO MARRIAGE BEFORE PUBERTY IS PERMISSIBLE."
all sources says he waited 3 years by 9 she reached puberty now keep coping cunt
Christians follow the jewish tradition of ''3 years old is the age of consent'' you are the scum here
>Peace be upon YOU
low IQ subhuman detected
it means GOD's peace be upon you and we say hence why Muslim greet each other with ''Assalam Alaykum (peace upon you)''
and all the prophets from Adam to Jesus are referred to in the same way eg (Jesus peace be upon him)

>>6918223
I'm not even close to mad about anything. Of course there are historical events described but the old testament is still embellished.

How about for example, where did the giants go and where are their bones? Keep in mind I worked in a church for 14 years, I've read several versions of the bible. Have you even said which specific version you adhere to? I don't slog through all your pissing matches with the Muslim.

>>6918214
>>6918220
>everything pedo and pagan about what my tranny false prophet Muhammad taught is okay because no u!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol.
>he did not practice magic like the Christrannies accused Solomon (a prophet) of being a Wizard
The Talmud was written by Christ-hating Jews in 300 AD, not Christians, and Qurans Surah 38:36-38 copied from it to justify Muslim use of Solomon's Seal.
>bewitched by a jew you retard
You believe someone bewitched is speaking from God? He even said Satan made him lie and reveal that you can worship Allat, Aluzza, and Manat even though you're Muslim. What other parts of the Qur'an were revealed while Muhammad was bewitched and demon-possessed?
>retard the seal was not the source of his power it was the will of God
Your Talmud sources say it was his seal ring that gave him that power, hence why Muslims revered the seal of Solomon and used it for magic and on flags like Morocco.
>Jesus crucification is Gnostic fiction
100% (one hundred percent) of historians agree that He was crucified, as He said He would be. Centuries later, literal Gnostics denied that He was crucified and Muslims blindly believed them lol.
>it was stolen from the story of the egyptian God Horus
What story, and where does it say anywhere that Horus was crucified?

>>6918247
>Of course there are historical events described but the old testament is still embellished.
But I just provided an example to you of it not being embellished, and you're trying to move the goalposts to deflect from this. I'm assuming you agree that I've made a fair argument, since you're moving on from your original point. If so, I'll move on to your next question-claim.
>Keep in mind I worked in a church for 14 years, I've read several versions of the bible.
This is a non-sequitur. You haven't provided evidence for your case, so your self-appeal here is not relevant.
>Have you even said which specific version you adhere to?
No translation nor variant manuscript challenges any claim I've made regarding this, so why are you asking this?

>>6918239
>i don't believe in Pedophilia it's a meme term, so yes, it is okay that Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent child and you should agree with me
Well at least you admitted it, pedo. Even worse for Tranny Muhammad, the oldest biography of disgusting Muhammad, "Sirat Rasullah", said that he lusted after a baby named Ummu'l Fadl.
>source; https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/stages-of-puberty-what-happens-to-boys-and-girls/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20for%20girls,ages%20of%208%20to%2014
That article says the average age for girls is 11, not 8 or even 9 lol. And your own scholars said Aisha was prepubescent when she was 9.
>by 9 she reached puberty
Zero Islamic sources say this.
>all sources says he waited 3 years to molest Aisha
Aisha said, herself, in that he did not have sex with her from ages 6-8 just because she was balding due to an illness: Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234.
>Christians follow the jewish tradition of ''3 years old is the age of consent''
Only the Qurans copied from the Talmud, not Christians.
>low IQ because Muslims say "Peace be upon you, O prophet" during our prayers
So you're talking to Muhammad in prayer (which praying to him), a dead human, whom you say you do not worship. lol

>>6918332
*which is praying to him

>>6918263
>Lol.
is that all what you have to say about Christrannies using a pagan petagram and worshiping a Pedo god
oh i see you finally accepted the truth good for you pedo worshiper
>The Talmud was written by Christ-hating Jews in 300 AD
what does that have to do with anything? jews says he is a wizard, Christians deny him as a prophet both of them are wrong he was a prophet and God give him the power to control the Jinn beasts and the wind
just like Jesus was given the power to cure the the ill and resurrect the dead, it is all by the will of God no magic or sorcery were involved
and by the way retard the seal of Solomon is mentioned nowhere in the Quran or the Hadiths (but ofc you don't know this) it was adopted later by Muslimsunder the impression it was indeed a symbol of Solomonn at some point even the David star was adopted by them for the same reason (link of the Prophet David)
>You believe someone bewitched is speaking from God?
yes
you believe the SON OF GOD was killed by mere humans so why not?
>>6918263
>He even said Satan made him lie
>He even said Satan made him lie
as i said a fairy tale like the water to wine story
>100% (one hundred percent) of historians agree that He was crucified
keep coping to this day many historians still suspecting this fairy tale
but it is true the Roman did crucify Jesus (or at least they thought so) the one who was really crucified was non other than the traitorous Judas the Iscariot, God shapeshifted him into the disguise of Jesus as a punishment for his backstabbing to Jesus, while the real Jesus was saved from death
yes the God on the cross you worship is just a kike traitor
>>6918263
>. Centuries later, literal Gnostics denied that He was crucified
Paul the Apostle destroyed Christianity from the start he was a Gnostic he was the one who included the trinity BS which turned Christianty into an idolatry rather than a monotheistic religion

>>6907624
>Jesus wasn't the Messiah. Jesus was just a wise man and imparted important lessons (which I don't even agree with)
>Jesus' own followers manipulated his message and legacy despite that historians identify the four gospel accounts and especially 1 Cor. 15:1-10 as historically reliable records
>source: Anything contrary to what I just claimed makes me upset
Mark 9:41 - "For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in MY name, because ye belong to CHRIST, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."

>>6918332
>Well at least you admitted it
yes now it's time for you pedo worshiper to admit that you religion is the same if not worst in that regard
but i know you won't a hypocrite pig never changes
>That article says the average age for girls is 11
average doesn't mean the lowest you retard
>Aisha was prepubescent when she was 9.
my god... you keep lying and lying
mary was 12 years old and your Pedo god impregnant her try to debunk this cunt
>Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234
it says nowhere that was the reason he waited
>not Christians.
your bible and the Talmud are the same you both worship Yahwa you both believe Isaac was the one from the story of the binding rather than Ishmail you both deny Solomon a s prophet, you both allows sex with prepubescent children, both worship and venerate pagan idols (Jews worshipped Baal and Moloch and the Christians venerate pagan deities and turned them into siants)
>Zero Islamic sources say this.
and sources claiming otherwise
>So you're talking to Muhammad in prayer
you talk to your dead God and the underage Mary in your prayers, oh wait you do worship both of them you pedo worshiper kek

What a nice thread about retro games

>>6918345
Let's summarize what you've admitted so far:

You admitted you have no problem with pedophilia and that it's a "meme term."
You admitted that the flag of Morocco is openly the seal of Solomon, a symbol of sorcery.
You admitted Islam's main symbol is of an ancient Middle Eastern lunar god's.
You admitted the Qur'ans plagiarized pagan and Phariseeical Jewish fables like "Syrian Alexander Legend" and "Testament of Solomon".
You admitted that it's no issue if Muhammad was pedophile (as your own scholars and sources say he was).

Now, onto your new points.
>what does the fable-filled Talmud have to do with anything?
It has to do with the fact the Qur'ans copied from it because the writers ("Allah") of the Qur'ans idiotically thought these verified fables were factual.
>the seal of Solomon is mentioned nowhere in the Quran or the Hadiths
Qurans Surah 38:36-38 is plagiarism of the "Testament of Solomon" and Talmud both from 200-300 AD (over a millennium after Solomon lived), and Muslims were okay with this, hence why they used and incorporated this occultic symbol.
>it was adopted later by Muslimsunder the impression it was indeed a symbol of Solomonn
But you said before they didn't use it at all. Caught you in a lie!
>Satanic Verses is a fairy tale
It comes from at least 37 classical Islamic sources (including Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, official authoritative Sunni Muslim sources). Cope. Muhammad was bewitched and admitted to being demon-possessed.
>but it is true the Roman did crucify Jesus (or at least they thought so) the one who was really crucified was non other than the traitorous Judas the Iscariot
So Allah was a failure because his own followers (the proto-Muslim followers of Isa son of Maryam) believed it was Jesus that was crucified and led billions away from Islam. Why did Allah lie to his own followers?
By the way, again, the "Jesus wasn't crucified" myth was created by literal Gnostics centuries after Jesus and any of His followers died.

>>6918437
Let's summarize what you've admitted so far:
you admitted you worship a God who impregnant an underage girl which was married atthe age of 12 (or 14 still underage either way)
you admitted Jeus din't change the Jewish tradition of age of consent which was 3 years old and Christians continued it until the last century when they were cucked by atheists
you admitted Christians used Solomon's seal a sorcery symbols to represent the five wounds
you admitted the main symbols of Christianity wasn't mentioned at all by Jesus nor in the bible because it's a pagan symbol (like Celtic cross
source; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross#:~:text=Throughout%20centuries%20the%20cross%20in,fields%20to%20protect%20the%20crops.
you admitted the Gospel copied the false stories from Judaism (the binding of Isaac, the curse of Ham...)
you admitted it's no issue when Christians married children for most of their history however it's only bad when Muslims do it and you said ''yes i am a hypocrite deal with it''

now onto your new retarded points
>It has to do with the fact the Qur'ans copied from it
it was already proved the Christians are the ones who copied the bible (read the above) keep coping
>plagiarism of the "Testament of Solomon" and Talmud
Christianity is a plagiarism of the fabricated and altered Torah which is why both of them deny Solomon as a prophet and consider him just a Saint or king, but at the same time Christians claims they don't follow the OT but they are doing, the NT is 90% the same shit
>But you said before they didn't use it at all.
yes retard they didn't use it until centuries later after the prophet death just like the Christians who used the pagan cross and built pagan churches despite them not being present at the time of Jesus
>we bewitched
yes after all he is a mere human
if your God Jesus can be killed by humans then why not?
>satanic verses
keep coping with your weak and false hadiths lol
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/4135/satanic-verses

>>6918437
>his own followers
non of his 12 (11 minus Judas the traitor) main followers ever claimed he was a son of God
that was the doing of the real prophet of the pagan Christian religion Paul The Apostle a kike rat who was one of the biggest enemies to Jesus he enjoyed watching real monotheistic Christians getting tortured and when Jesus was ascended to the sky by God Paul the kike rat claimed he saw a vision from Jesus telling him he is the son of God and other lies that was a plot from him to destroy Christianity with idolatry (trinity) and the pathetic thing is the so called Christians believed in his lies despite having no proof (he was just a human not a prophet why would Christians take his word as granted especially with his past?)

>>6918437
>>6918535
Ebionites are most likely the closer to the real Christianity that continued to be followed by the Apostles after Jesus
and they rejected the heresy of Paul and his Jewish creation of the trinity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites

Can the Muslim in the thread please explain why Muhammad was covered in someone's semen when he went to prayers according to Aisha in the Hadith and also why he forbade masturbation but was fine with ejaculating on women while they were on their period?

can the Christian in this thread explain to me why they worship a Pedo God who impregnant a 12 years old girl is Pedophilia is a sin?

>>6918345
>Paul the Apostle destroyed Christianity from the start he was a Gnostic
Paul (whom the Qurans and Sahaba (Companions of Muhammad) say was one of Isa's true followers) was killing Christians because he was like a Muslim (a Pharisee, who were exctly like Muslims, whom Jesus said Satan was the father of) until Christ blinded him on the road to Damascus. Don't criticize your fellow Muslim!
>Paul was the one who included the trinity
Jesus, Himself, verified the Trinity in John 14:23 and said He was equal to God several times.
>into an idolatry rather than a monotheistic religion
Nope, but you daily pray to Muhammad and to a rock (which you also kiss, like the Arab pagans also did) and kill for Muhammad, polytheist.

>>6918380
>yes now it's time for you pedo worshiper to admit that you religion is the same if not worst in that regard
You said you had no problem with pedophilia, so why do you keep falsely claiming this?
>average doesn't mean the lowest you retard
Lowest doesn't mean most, you desperate pedo. And your own scholars said she was prepubecent, and you just said you have no issue with pedophilia.
>your bible and the Talmud are the same
No, they have never been the same. The Talmud was written first in 300 AD and was copied by the writer of the Qurans (such as in S. 38:36-38 being from Gittin 68, S. 5:30-35 from Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5, and S. 27:20-444 from Targum Sheni) because "Allah" thought these fables were true.
>you both worship Yahwa
Surah 29:46 says Muslims worship the same god as the Jews and Christians, so I guess you're no longer a Muslim?
>you both allows sex with prepubescent children
No, that's Muslims and Jews. You even admitted you had no problem with pedophilia.
>you worship idols
You bow to and pray to a vagina rock and Muhammad. I worship and pray to God, alone.
>no sources claiming Aisha DIDN'T hit puberty at 9
That's not an argument, and yes there were, as I already quoted Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234, which says that he thought she was repulsive at that time because she lost all her hair from being sick.
>Yes, I pray to Muhammad everyday, but whatabout
lol

>>6918501
>Let's summarize what you've admitted so far:
I admitted none of that, and that is just your slander because you are embarrassed about all the things you just admitted about your pedo tranny false prophet and Satanic beliefs. Again, you stated you had no issue with pedophilia. You're not refuting any argument just by saying "no you" (tu quoque fallacy), angry Mohammedan.
>Yes, the Qur'ans copied from the Jewish Talmud, but whatabout
lol
>Yes, the Qur'ans plagiarised the "Testament of Solomon" and Talmud, but whatabout
lol
>the fabricated and altered Torah
Yet Muhammad put his hand on this "fabricated" and "altered" Torah and said it was from God. lol
>both of them deny Solomon as a prophet and consider him just a Saint or king
Neither Christians nor Jews deny that Solomon was a prophet of God. They rightly deny that the pedo tranny Muhammad was one, however.
>yes retard they didn't use Solomon's seal until centuries later after the prophet death
You said they didn't at all, earlier. Why are you backtracking from your lie?
>cross was not around until centuries after Jesus' death
Crucifixion was a primary way of Roman execution, and Jesus said in many places that He would be crucified and rise again (eg, Matthew 20:18-19) and for all of His disciples to take up the own cross (Mark 8:34). "He that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10:38
>yes after all he is a mere human
So he's not a prophet? I wouldn't trust someone who is bewitched and Satan-possessed that they are speaking from God, either. That sounds more like a servant of Satan, such as Muhammad, who wanted to kill himself after talking to "Gabriel" and said that he was Satan possessed for preaching pagan worship of the three goddesses to Arab pagans that he wanted to become Muslims.

>>6918501
>One guy say Satanic Verses are fake despite ALL the Islamic sources and scholars that say Muhammad bowed with pagans because (Muhammad said) Satan possessed him
Ibn Ishaq 165-167, Al-Tabari, Vol. 6, pp. 107-112, Ibn Sa'd "Major Classes" Vol. 1 Pt. 1-2 page 236-239, Al-Waqidi "Life of Muhammad" Vol. 2 page 150-152, Tafsir Al-Jalalayn on S. 22:52-53, and Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385 are your earliest and some of your most trusted Islamic sources, and that's only 5 of them. Muhammad justified his praying to the Allat, Al-Uzza, and Manat by exclaiming that Satan possessed him, and this is a historical fact according to your own sources.
>non of his 12 (11 minus Judas the traitor) main followers ever claimed he was a son of God
Oh yes they did. Examples: Peter: "Thou art the Christ, THE Son of the living God", Thomas: "My Lord and my God."
>I hate the former Muslim Paul who sought to kill Christians for "polytheism" until the road to Damascus
Paul was told all these things by the 11 apostles, whom Lord Jesus told him to learn from. (Acts 9:27)
>the pathetic thing is the so called Christians believed in his lies despite having no proof
Again, the Qur'ans and Sahaba (Companions of Muhammad) such as Ibn Abbas and Qatada say Paul (Ar.: "Bulus") was a Muslim follower of Isa according to Surah 61:14, so you're insulting a Muslim according to Muhammad's best friends. Lord Jesus said He is God several times, another example: "I am the Almighty." (Rev. 1:8), and Paul was taught by the apostles and Jesus' family all of this.

>>6918551
Ebionites didn't exist until 107 AD at the earliest, and most likely not until 140 AD, and were wannabe Jews like Muslims are. All the apostles and eyewitnesses of Christ, who wrote down the New Testament, were dead by 100 AD at the latest, and they all bodly declared that Jesus is God, as He said (Revelation 1:8, John 11:25-26, John 8:58, etc.). Lord Jesus said you will go to Hell if you deny (like the Jews did) that He, alone, is the only one that can save you: John 8:24.
>>6918573
Surah 29:46 says this is your god, too, so I'd be careful about saying things like that if I were you! Then again, you said you were okay with pedophilia, so this is not a surprise that you believe your "god" is a pedophile, too.

>>6917727
He's bowing to a crucifix, so he probably is just doing it as source of identity without rhyme or reason or sense of self-awareness, like most Catholics. By the way, it never says that it was an apple. It says a fruit, and that's all we know. The apple imagery likely derives from Rennaissance-era artwork.

>>6918296
I'm moving no goalposts, this is the whole point. The only thing you showed was that historians agree that the original versions of these stories are even more mystical, but that in no way even implies that the old testament version is an accurate account. Because really there is no accurate account since they recount things that happened many millennia ago. What I'm balking at is your claim that the old testament is accurate in the first place given that it too is full of a lot of mysticism.

So if you believe the old testament literally then who were the giants that preceded humans and where are their remains? You can't claim to discount one telling of events because you find it too fantastical and then wave away all the fantastic mystical stuff in the version you do hold up.

>>6918375
Jesus didn't say that, one if his friends did decades after his death. That's what I was talking about. They deified him to turn his legacy into a religion.

retro gaming

>>6919297
Yeah but why would it be there in the first place? Huryle doesn't seem to be on Earth. Does Jesus incarnate anywhere humans pop up to cleanse their sins? Who built the church in the first place? Of he's an elf and it seems the rest of them are the same who are the humans that Jesus came for? Why is he bowing to pay respects to some broken humanoid lineage? Is he going to get molested by a Buddhist monk next? The whole thing seems weird.

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