/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6880898
Here comes the cope.

>>6880898
No, the baseline is way higher BAM op btfod permanently

>>6880904
From which side?

>>6880913
Take a guess

>>6880898
Road Rash 64 is infinitely better than its PS1 counterpart, higher emphasis on combat, more maps, revamped multiplayer, more modes.

>>6880898

that looks terrible lol

>>6880908
More like basedline.

>>6880898
I prefer the name "Seung Mina" to "Seong Mi-Na".

Up until recently, calling her "Seong Mi-Na" would have actually not been retro.

>>6880898
I don't know, could you compare direct captures or use integer native res + Royale component shading to give us a better comparison than this high res bullshot?

>>6880898
Banjo, Conker, Zelda.
I prefer PS by the way.

>>6880930
I love Seong Mina

Why is it almost always sony fanboys starting the anti-n64/saturn/dc/gc console warry threads? What makes them so obsessed?

>>6880913
This guy answered it for me, and better than I could. >>6880923

>>6880983
what makes you so defensive about an underpowered $200 shitbox for autistic kiddies?

>>6880991
So he made a thread then fellated himself in the first post?

>>6881003
Not defending anything, just think the console war posts (at least 5th gen onwards) are disproportionally made by a majority of sony fans.

>>6880983
Their company is not as respected as Nintendo or Sega.

>>6881013
Ohviously, but that's besides the point. Microsoft is even less respected than sony yet you don't see xbox fanboys clogging the board with console war threads.

>>6881005
What? No. I'm the first post ITT. I was under the assumption that >>6880913 was OP.

>>6881031
Nope...it's the same guy you're replying to.

>>6880971
>sole calibur
kek

>>6880925
That looks like shit, anon

>>6880926
And there's the cope!

>>6880953
>Zelda
>"I prefer PS btw
JEJ

The PlayStation's success is purely numerical.

>>6880983
N64 kiddies falseflagging as Sony fans. Another reason to hate them and their shitbox

>>6880983
Board culture from /v/.
What did you expect after 6th gen was added? Ps2 brings tons of younger sony fans to /vr/. A lot of them do retroactive console war for 5th gen too.
Yes, 5th gen console war already plagued the old /vr/, but now basically this is a 5th/6th gen console war board, and most people owned sony systems during those years(especially if their families could only afford one system).
Console wars and sony fanboys are now what dominates /vr/, deal with it.

>>6881027
That's because Xgods are humble despite the OG Xbox shitting on the Poorstation 2.

>>6881070
>shitbox
Ah you're >>6881003
Do you really think this is falseflag? You seem invested enough in console wars, and seem sincere enough on your brand loyalty to sony.

>>6881070
>n-no, us sonybros don't make console war threads, i-it's nintendo 64 fans doing falseflag to make us look bad!
lmao, backpedaling if I ever saw one.
At least be responsible for your shitposts, /v/ermin.

>>6881013
Retard, Nintendo is absolutely despised in Japan. The most overrated game in the West, Mario 64, got a appropriate passing glance by Japanese audiences, who had become accustomed to the stellar library of PSX games by Square, Namco, Capcom, Konami, and countless others

>>6881096
Probably the most delusional post ever made on /vr/.

>>6881067
And qualitative. PS1 has at least 200+ 10/10 games, N64 babies struggle to think of even 20 worth playing (and that's already being VERY generous).

>>6881102
>PS1 has at least 200+ 10/10 games
Never mind, this is the most delusional post ever made on /vr/.

>>6881074
iirc this board had Sony loyalists ever since 5th gen was added.

>>6881096
>west with capital W
Hah, I found you.
>>/vr/thread/S6873976#p6875303
You've been spouting the same shit about Japan not liking Mario 64 yesterday.
How does it feel to be outed as the lying sonygger that you are?
Also, I'll leave you some fun homework for today: Please tell me what great Square, Capcom or Konami games were there for the Sony playStation X in 1996 (the year Mario 64 released)

You were voted worst fanbase for a reason, sonybabs,

>>6881097
No, it's just the truth. Numbers don't lie.

>>6881067
lol was gonna say your own words hanged you but >>6881102 summed it up, PSX had at least 10 times the number of worthwhile games as 64 which renders "quality" fairly moot.

>this whole thread
I like playstation but fuck some Sony fanboys can actually be the worst kind of fanboys there is.

>>6881105
This doesn't even scratch the surface

>>6880925
Yeah but they both look like hot ass anon

>>6881119
Well you have to be a special kind of nigger to fall for a company that uses slogans such as "4The Players".

>>6881120
>all these crippled Capcom fighting game ports
every single time. Get a saturn, sonygger.

>>6881108
>see! when I set an arbitrary cutoff date for your console, it looks worse than mine!
Take your soi ridden tunnelvision cope elsewhere, nintoddler.

>>6881117
I don't think the Playstation has a single 10/10 game.
>>6881120
Lot of mediocre games, lot of multiplats.

>>6881105
I don’t know about that many 10/10 games. Maybe to someone sure. But the PS1 has an absurd amount of good games anon. You’re missing out by not giving it a try

>>6881046

how is saying the game you posted has shit graphics a cope?

>>6881130
Saturn can't even into real 3D like PSX, it's borderline Mode-7/Super FX tier. PSX was the 5th gen jack of all trades, bar none.

>>6881134
>arbitrary cutoff date
Nah sonygger, I'm using your own criteria, see:
>The most overrated game in the West, Mario 64, got a appropriate passing glance by Japanese audiences, who had become accustomed to the stellar library of PSX games by Square, Namco, Capcom, Konami, and countless others
first of all, you were outed as having made the same lie yesterday on another console war thread, but now, you're claiming that the reason why the japanese supposedly didn't like mario 64 was because they were accustomed to the "stellar library of playstation ecks games by square, namco, capcom, konami".
Well, then, Mario 64 was released in 1996, so that means play station ecks users have been "accustomed" to games from square, capcom or konami that year. Then, which are these games? That's the homework.

>>6881135
>mediocre
your brain on bing bing wahoo
>multiplats
with the best console versions

>>6881141
Can you really call p.s.X.'s 3D real 3D? It's mostly shaking textures, and not a single one can draw a straight line.

>>6881146
>with the best console versions
Lmao the delusions continue.

>>6881146
>with the best console versions
Saturn fans will forever dab on Sonyggers by having the best fighting ports by Capcom and SNK. And it's not even close.

>>6881140
because it's blatantly untrue in the face of the competition

I dunno, I think console wars are silly anyway.
Saturn>N64>>>>>Playstation
but I like them all. 5th gen isn't my cup of tea though.

>>6881142
How about Resident Fucking Evil? Not to mention Crash came out the same year and was the unironic Mario killer.

>>6881165
Crash Bandicoot might as well be a last gen title compared to Mario 64.

>>6881148
Keyword, textures. Something the N64 doesn't have.

>>6881082
r u ok nincel?
no one outside your sect of mentally stunted manchildren likes n64

>>6881165
>How about Resident Fucking Evil?
Also on Saturn and not a platformer.
Crash isn't by Square, Konami or Capcom, and also it's not a real 3D platformer, rather a corridor platformer.

>>6881156
Body Harvest is an unfinished tech demo, if you want peak N64 aesthetics and gameplay look no further than Spacestation Silicon Valley by the same devs.

>>6881159
Boring QTE simulator game with a meme soundtrack.

>>6881170
Nice edit, kind of funny you went through the hassle.
Everyone is making fun of you sonygger, enjoy your shovelware. True chads will be enjoying real Ludo systems like the Saturn and N64, and occasionally playing the rare ps-x game that isn't shovelware.

>>6881167
It pushes a lot more polys, higher res textures and has way more effects and lighting to be fair. Obviously Mario 64 is the better game. But let’s not downplay how impressive the Crash Bandicoot games are technically speaking.

>>6881167
Refer to >>6881169

>>6881169
The keywords were actually: shaking, straight, lines

>>6881173
>unfinished tech demo
You truly are braindead. You never even played Body Harvest. Nobody has ever called Body Harvest unfinished or a tech demo.

>>6881179
Crash Bandicoot has literal corridor level design.

>>6880983
Fanboys gotta justify themselves.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XqNcQp0F0i0

>>6881175
Whatever, I don't really care much for 5th gen as I said. Eva 64 looks pretty good though, the Eva models in it look even better than the models on the PS2 Eva game, which is weird.

>>6881186
Trash Bandicunt is a literal ripoff of Hugo.

>>6881074
This shit isn't new here. Console warriors have infested /vr/ for years.

>>6881205
>Yes, 5th gen console war already plagued the old /vr/, but now basically this is a 5th/6th gen console war board

>>6881208
6th gen wasn’t even a war in terms of power. Xbox was by far and away the very clear winner.

>>6881216
Say that to Sony fans and see how they will start talking sales numbers and doing mental gymnastics about the emotion processor or whatever it's called.

>>6881120
>ape escape
Has aged like milk. Absolute trash game. Even fucking Crash is better. Enjoy your console that's only good for RPGs.

>>6881224
Nah, Ape Escape is good and an actual 3D action game, unlike Crash. it isn't really that much of a 3D platformer though, the controls in terms of platforming are pretty basic, but it has some inventive ideas with the net and using the right analog stick (I think one of the very few ps1 games that used it in a meaningful way)
Crash is total trash, its fame is purely manufactured. You always see sony drones posting these same magazine scans of how naughty meme dog is "omg so amazing! tech wizards!" when the game is just corridors in a jungle.

>>6881120
>recommending ePSXe when Beetle HW and PCSX exist
This is either a ten year old image or the maker is some retard who still plays on ZSNES-tier emu's when there's way better options available.

>>6881148
It does real 3d math to transform vertexes, but the way it fills in triangles is purely 2d. It's rasterization is only accurate to the pixel a well, which gives you those jittery lines. It's made worse by the fact that it's texture mapping is purely 2d, giving you artifacts that are more obvious the larger your triangles are, so lots of games would split triangles into more triangles, which means more jittery lines and gaps, etc.

Same with saturn, except that system uses quads, so while it had other visual glitches that I could get into, you tended to have less polygons, and a bit less jittering on average.

Most of these issues are somewhat worked around though in the good ps1 and saturn games though, which is pretty impressive.

N64 made it easy to get actual correct, high quality 3d graphics, except that it's texture cache just sucked

>>6881284
>except that it's texture cache just sucked
Understandable, but I think in many games, developers were able to somehow work around these limitations and still deliver some great looking textures.
5th gen really was a time when only the best of the best developers could deliver something good.

>>6881295
Yes, there were some tricks n64 devs came up with to get better texture quality. I think you could disable bilinear filtering as well (maybe it was a microcode thing, and blocked off from most devs).

>>6881314
Bilinear filtering was never an issue for me, in fact, back then I considered it something good because I was put off by the rough pixelation of textures on PS1 games.

>>6881232
Ah, finally someone who understand that Crash isn't a real 3d game. I actually think it's *okay* but it definitely plays like a 2d platformer in 3d. It is actually amazing from a purely technical perspective but the SOOPER COOL GRAFICKS ended up gimping the gameplay. (and it still had the same vertex jiggle problems the PSX had, although the texture warp doesn't look quite as bad as most games, probably due to the fixed camera)

That said, I'll say that there's a good reason why the right analog stick isn't used like that anymore.

>>6881321
It's a good thing, but it's clearly used in many n64 games to mask low quality textures. It kinda puts me off now, even though it was considered an essential feature at the time.

Straight how the average opinion changes like that over time.

>>6881326
crash avoided most of the warping issues by using flat colored polygons on the characters, and by precalculating the visible objects along a fixed path.
that meant they had a higher polygon budget, and could afford smaller polygons with less warping. I don't think there's anything to it other than that, since simply getting closer to an object without even turning will accentuate affine texture warp.

>>6881321
It's a good thing, but it's clearly used in many n64 games to mask low quality textures. It kinda puts me off now, even though it was considered an essential feature at the time.

Strange how the average opinion changes like that over time.

>>6881326
crash avoided most of the warping issues by using flat colored polygons on the characters, and by precalculating the visible objects along a fixed path.
that meant they had a higher polygon budget, and could afford smaller polygons with less warping. I don't think there's anything to it other than that, since simply getting closer to an object without even turning will accentuate affine texture warp.

>>6880923
>N-Nintendo 64 chads REALLY were the worst!!
Eternally rent free.

>>6881042
>>6881121
YES, gameplay is least important about a game.