/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6868027
most recently was playing Resident Evil. I've never played it before and I got fucked by a dog, so that sucked.

is it true saturn has the best shmups

>>6868040
If you insist on not just emulating the arcade versions, then it's probably the best along with the PS1 and PS2

>>6868053
during my research I have learned that a plethora of acclaimed titles are only in japanese (which is fine since you don't need to know runes to play many of these), but they were never released in the west. I mean, I was around in the 90s but I didn't know the saturn even existed. really feels like we missed out on something

>>6868040
Saturn versions usually has extra content like artwork gallery, anime videos, dubbed dialogue, arranged soundtrack, maybe an extra level even.

>>6868063
The Saturn version of Twinkle Star Sprites actually sells over the Dreamcast and PS2 ports for the extra character, anime intro and ending and fan disc filled with goodies.
The Sat version of Gunbird does as well.
You shouldn't even bother with the Arcade version of Game Tengoku as it's missing like half the levels which are Saturn exclusive.
The Saturn version of DoDonpachi has an extra level. The Saturn versions of Psykyo games have way superior arranged soundtracks.

>>6868027
>Powerslave

Absolutely based. One of my favorite games.

>>6868027
Not playing any Saturn games right now but when I do it's on real hardware. Only use emulators for testing/debugging. I've found many hidden games. Literally hidden, as in they weren't listed on wikipedia or any of the "complete" lists when I found them. Hoping there won't be any fan translations as they're cancer and attract cancer.

>>6868027
I just woke up from a long nap, putting some coffee on and will be playing puyo puyo sun on my JP saturn hooked up to a 13” crt. I did the same thing last weekend it was extremely comfy.

Replaying Shining the Holy Ark and having a blast

>>6868038
Stop playing as Jill

>>6868027
>Emulating or on real hardware?
I don't play Saturn, but saw this thread while scrolling through the catalog and wanted to give you props for considering both. Based OP.

>>6868027
powerslave is based

Exhumed is so much cooler sounding than Powerslave.

I mean, you literally are searching for and retrieving EXHUMED body parts. That's the point of the game.

>>6869001
why?

>>6868027
is that a PSX underneath the PS2?

does anyone know if the japanese wizardry 6 and 7 collection for saturn has an english text option? might import it

My gem

Who thought replacing tight, fluid, highly cinematic, action packed rail shooter gameplay from panzer dragoon and zwei with stiff, mechanical, time wasting, jarpig turnbased shit would be a good idea? Come on now, I really want to like Saga but I just can't.

>>6870447
It's a spinoff you genderlet soibitch transdummie.

I just wanna say that Dark Savior just might be the most based game in existence.

>>6870274
i cant even find an iso of this to test if it has english option or not, no one seems to know anything about it

>>6868080
Many shooting games also have arranged "saturn" modes like Cotton Boomerang and Cotton 2. I've seen it on a bunch of em.

>>6868038

you went back through the hallway didn't you

>>6869964
>psx
Ooh good eye. OP?

>>6868027
i love my saturn bros
>What are you playing?
panzer dragoon og for comfy hours cause it's cold here
>Emulating or on real hardware?
real hardware with mode
>Found any hidden gems?
soeldnerschild/wachenroder
>Any fan translations you're looking forward to?
no, currently trying to learn japanese so i dont have to wait for fan translations

>>6870461
>>6870447
zwei is the spinoff

the lead designer of the original went straight to working on saga, the B team got zwei

>>6870653
I don't really remember right now, was some room first with a zombie on the ground and even though I knew he was alive, I couldn't stab him with my knife until after he started eating me. Then I remember a dog breaking in and killing me.

I think I skipped something.

>>6870827
Shut the fuck up retardo.

>>6871367
>gets btfo with facts
>calls me a retard

>>6868027
how do you pirate saturn games?? I fuckin hate emulating but the games cost so much

>>6871490
>I fuckin hate emulating
cringe

>>6871523
Saturn emulation is awful though

>>6871719
i heard mednafen isnt so bad i havent tried myself though because my computer isnt good enough to run it

>>6871719
beetle saturn is excellent

>>6871719
you would be correct if you had said this 10 years ago

>>6868027
My Saturn list: https://pastebin.com/7iZfJF58

>>6871523
>poorfag emubaby pretends he can afford to cringe
lmao

I like Mednafen but I do sometimes feel like I shouldn't have sold my Saturn. Are there any ODEs cheaper than the Terraonion that are worth using?

>>

No.

>>6871523
emulation will never perfectly capture how the original hardware runs the games, now how do i pirate shit???

>>6871490
Modchip. You can make a region switch as well as a 50hz - 60hz switch at the same time. Then just burn games and hold on tight

>>6872653
theres nothing more I enjoy than watching some retard boomer get mad that emulation is usurping his worthless collection. cry more autist :)

>>6868027
what Crt?

>>6868027
I just ordered a MODE for my Saturn and Dreamcast. I already have a mod chip and can play burnt games but am looking forward to trying out some games I've never gotten around to. Burning Rangers, Shining Force III and maybe Policenauts will be my first games I try out on that bad boy.

My job is pretty chill about bringing in shit to do in between calls (911 dispatcher working over night) so I was thinking if I have a solid state saturn solution I might buy a small monitor and just set that bad boy up on my desk. I get hit with a LOT of over time so when I'm here for 16 hours I can flex my autism by setting up a Sega Saturn.

>>6868027
>Jap version of Powerslave

Enjoy your 10 extra hand bombs. It's the only version where the limit is 30 instead of 20 iirc.

Cobra Staff might have 5 more ammo as well not sure I remember well.

>>6873739
I used to have a job were i could do something similar. I got a "promotion" though and now im buried in piles of shit all the time. The raise was worth it though....r-right?

This also made me think of a movie/tv show idea where you play a game at work and then people star calling in with emergencies corresponding to whatever just happened in your game. I dont really know where to go with it from there though.

>>6868080
The Saturn version of DoDonpachi is utter trash, you better emulate it as it runs perfectly on mame

>>6871719
Cleared the Saturn version of SOTN on mednafen a couple months ago, it was pretty much perfect. I've had a few slowdowns in rare occasions (basically it happenned sometimes in huge rooms with tons of ennemies) but I'm pretty sure my shitty toaster was at fault.

Played a good chunk of Sakura Wars, runs perfectly but I've stopped due to the game being shit.

Shining Force 3 didn't work well though, but then again I think my computer's too shit.

>>6873179
the leading method is to boot games with an action replay cart flashed with pseudo saturn kai. most games can be burned as they were dumped and just werk with this method, a few need patches, but i don't think anything is completely unplayable.
modchips are also available, but they don't defeat the region lock alone, so most people do a region-free BIOS mod to go along with them. this is more expensive and involved for little gain so don't bother unless the softmod gives you inexorable issues.

Can I get some anime-style recommendations? Games like Lunar, Langrisser or Magic Knights Rayearth. I know the translations can be terrible sometimes but there's something about that aesthetic I find relaxing. Finding good Saturn games is tough though since most of them end up being shmups.

>>6868040
No. I fell for this meme and got a Saturn only to find out the Playstation ports of most of the games were actually superior.

>>6873295
>50hz - 60hz switch at the same time
There's like no Saturn games whatsoever developed in PAL countries, so what's the point?

>>6874612
i assume it's only PALfags that want to keep playing the PAL versions they grew up with, as even if you wanted to try PAL games as a burger, no one has 50Hz CRTs.

I love Bulk Slash. What's your favorite weapon, M.I.S.S. and stage? I love the Bezier, Koron is my wife and my favorite stage is Schwarz.

>>6874627
The only people who play PAL versions of non-PAL developed games are people in PAL countries who only play the games they have since they were kids, no one really goes out of their way to get these versions otherwise except maybe collectors.
Either way, it's more expensive to buy a PAL Saturn than to get a Japanese Saturn and a PicoPSU-based replacement PSU for 220-240v. The same is true for US Saturns I think, and then you don't even have to replace the PSU since it's the exact same one used in the US versions even if the outer case only says 100v.

>>6874612
Actually the game in OP's would be a great example as to why you'd want to play the PAL version. It's optimized, has differences compared to the NTSC version, and is the fastest version to speedrun due to reasons.

>>6874663
>It's optimized
I highly doubt it performs better than the 60hz version since it wasn't developed in a PAL country. If you're referring to it running at approximately the same speed in 50hz as in 60hz, that's not really an advantage sine the only reason games were ever converted from 60hz to 50hz to begin with was because some poorfags were using ancient TVs that didn't support 60hz even into the 90s. It was done for the same reason that RF adapters were included into the 7th generation pretty much.
Even games developed in PAL countries are not necessarily better in their PAL versions even if they run at the same speed. The Wipeout games for example, they're very high-speed so you get more out of the extra 5 to 10 frames per second than the extra resolution. Only strategy games are consistently better in PAL, but you'd usually want to play the computer versions of those anyway unless it's some oddball console exclusive.
>has differences compared to the NTSC version
What differences are those? Is it something that can be considered pretty much objectively better?
>and is the fastest version to speedrun due to reasons.
But different versions are usually considered to be separate games for speedrunning purposes. The only exception I can think of is Goldeneye where time is usually still counted using the in-game timer and the PAL version somehow runs at the wrong speed even though it was developed in the UK.

>>6874686
The aspect ratio is correct, and the speed of everything is correct except for the firing rate of the two hitscan weapons which is a bit slower; but whether or not that's a conversion issue or not remains to be proven considering the PAL is actually an earlier version despite being released later (longer releasing window)

The UK is where the game sold the most and they knew that would be the case before the fact due to the reception and exposition they got from UK magazines, so they put extra care into it compared to the majority of 50hz versions of American/Japanese games

There are item placement differences, you're given a lot less hp/ammo refills

Some level design differences and a couple of glitches only present in that version

>>6874540
Purikura Daisakusen

>>6873316
I enjoy a lot of things more than watching a retarded zoomer get assmad that he'll never be able to afford old video games. Having sex, a good steak, outdoor activities, etc. Must suck to be such a loser that your greatest enjoyment in life is seething and coping on a gook toon picture forum.

>>6875213
>he thinks because he bought expensive video games hes successful in life
jesus christ the delusion, you really are autistic

>>6868409
mind sharing some of those hidden gems?

>>6877097
If he'd lose some weight he might be able to reach his own hidden gems, never have to game again.

I just bought a second Saturn I can hopefully cannibalize to insert an ODE.

Just finished running through my copies of the 3 Saturn Panzer Dragoon games for some buddies on Twitch. I also bought a weird FB Marketplace OG Xbox bundle ($89 for the system, cables, a controller, and 11 games) and a copy of Panzer Dragoon Orta to round out the quadrilogy. The Saturn deserved better.

This entire thread:

>>6877197
Oh, this is interesting, which did you prefer?
For my money Zwei>saga>1, Zwei is essentially the perfect 3d shooter for me, saga is really atmospheric and has an absolutely amazing soundtrack, 1 is dated but I still really like it, has one of the greatest stage 1 music tracks of all time.

>>6877227
t. nincel

>>6870278
Why is this version so much, is it the best port?

>>6874647
PALfag here, this is correct, when i was a kid, i didn't know any better, pal games were what was available, i had nothing to compare them to, so stuttering fmvs (from lazy 30>25fps conversion) and black bars (from lazy 480>576 conversion) were just the norm to me
since getting the internet and learning how to download/burn games, i've only gotten ntsc copies, because why wouldn't i? any pal tv made after the 80's can take an ntsc signal, and most consoles can run or be made to run an ntsc game

ps. i don't think PAL itself is inferior to NTSC, it has its advantages, i'm only concerned about the fact that most games are made for NTSC, and rarely get more than the bare minimum to shove them onto PAL (and they suffer for it)

>>6877371
(as a side note, i do feel bad for the non-english speaking palfags out there, who are stuck with pal a lot of the times simply because they tend to be the only ones with non-english (or japanese) languages)

>>6875348
>he thinks everyone is a loser like him
jesus christ the delusion, you really are autistic

Wanna talk about real obscure Sega Saturn games?

Here's a game based on anime series that has very little info about it besides being a first and only VN game ever localized in KOR for Saturn.

Waiting for my phantom modchip, I was using pseudosaturn but I was sick of not having memory space for the games I really wanted to play because of the action replay cart being flashed. Unfortunately, my saturn is Japanese so all my preburned disks are not going to work because I didn't patch those isos before I burned them. Oh well, cd-rs are cheap.

>>6877801
The r button on my controller is spongy but works, the tact click isn't very strong. I bought 2 packs of those tact switches but lost both of them somehow so I'll probably just get a retrobit saturn controller kek

How are those anyway?

>>6877269
Zwei's definitely the superior rail shooter, hard to not be considering how barebones 1 was in terms of features. Saga's probably my favorite though--It's just such a strange game for the time. One year after FF7 dropped, Team Andromeda had a fully-voiced JRPG that was designed out of consideration for people who disliked the tedium of JRPGs (like Futatsugi), that almost didn't get released stateside because of Sega's refocusing onto the Dreamcast.

They're all bizarre games with interesting visuals, solid soundtracks, and fun gameplay.

>>6877629
Oh I have that
The Japanese version I mean, not Korean.
I got it back when it was still new-ish but I can't remember how/why -- I haven't seen the anime and it's unusual for me to buy a license game without familiarity with what it's based on
Maybe my housemate was the one who bought it
I still haven't played it because I was waiting until I watched the anime

I can't wait for the Lunar SSC English translation. Been playing through Grandia and Policenauts which are amazing.

>>6874304
My last job tried to get me do be a team lead. The offer was would you like to stop playing game boy and reading for an additional .50 cents an hour? It was a tantalizing offer but I had to decline. When I had the opportunity to teach the new employee class I did hop on that. I got a room that I controlled the thermostat and I could put on videos and go outside or hide in the bathroom and do whatever. That was awesome but corporate changed the way hiring in worked.

And fortunately enough for me I am exactly autistic enough to drag in a monitor and Sega Saturn. I'm not the only person playing games on a laptop here so it won't be too odd. The real autism was the idea I had to build a mobile GAME STATION in a harbor freight apache case so I can just drag that thing in here and plug in one cord and be ready to go. I believe our internet connection is fast enough I could start streaming on Twitch. I imagine that would be taking it just a tad too far but as they say it is easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.

>>6870478
I love it. We need more genre bending experimental games like this.

>>6877097
https://youtu.be/cbk_QS2G5UI

>What are you playing?
Sonic 3D Blast. It's the only good Sonic game on there because it's the ONLY Sonic game on there.

>>6878056
excuse me sweaty? dont tell me you cant feel the sunshine

>>6873179
With emulators.

>>6877629
Looks a bit like El Hazard....do the moon runes say that?

>>6877939
>>6877629
It's El Hazard isn't it?

I saw that anime in like middle school.

Clearly El Hazard.

>>6878092
>>6878101
Yes

>>6878110
Cool. You fags are getting me to like the Saturn.

I had actually bought that before on dvd but gave it away. From FYE. Saw it first at a library though. It's a classic loli humor one too.

>back in love with meeeee

>>6877939
>I still haven't played it because I was waiting until I watched the anime

Well you ain't missing much.
It's just a standard VN game where you interact with new characters or El Hazard cast from the TV version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbctJV4gjmU&list=PLF4A6n6ilVOa77Tfq_i-wQLDPWC9SXvPz&index=3&ab_channel=%EB%85%B8%EB%A9%98%ED%8A%B8-DELETEGames

>>6878178
>when you see it

I don't remember that in the anime. I'm going to have to re-watch it.

>>6878178
>korean dub

>>6877939
You've had a game for over 20 years, but still haven't played it?

>>6878196
Well do I have a choice anon?
Since I don't understand Nihongo;the only option I got is to search the gook version instead.

>>6878196
Here, much better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZJcvUwpCi8

I recently finished Story of Thor/Beyond Oasis on Genesis/Mega Drive, so I'm looking forward to trying out the sequel on Saturn.

Might hook it up this weekend and have a go. Love how nicely the graphics have improved from Genesis to Saturn while retaining the art-style.

>>6878223
Yeah I have a couple of things like that

>>6878301
Damn, m8. What else has been sitting on your shelf so long?

>>6878309
I think I got Star Ocean around 1999

>>6877371
>ps. i don't think PAL itself is inferior to NTSC, it has its advantages
Well, for video games 60hz is generally better since most games benefit more from 5 to 10 extra frames than the extra resolution. PAL is definitively better for actual TV transmissions though since films have always been in only 24fps anyway.
>>6877379
I always hated how PAL releases were always delayed so much right into the 7th generation so that German people could pretend they didn't lose WW2. Either way, for most RPGs there are now patches to make the PAL versions run in 60hz while retaining all the languages.

>>6873375
Looks like Bang & Olufsen

>>6877227
What sort of behavioral change are you hoping to inspire by posting that?

>>6877434
>no Im not a loser because I bought expensive video games
how sad are you faggot? I liked your projection earlier

>English finally out after years and years of waiting
>the strategic portions are completely braindead
>finally see that Sakura Taisen was just a waifu vehicle all along
In hindsight I really should've known

>>6868027
>What are you playing?
I beat 実況!おしゃべりパロディウス a week or two ago with a friend. I'm about halfway through Sakura Taisen 2, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.
>Emulating or on real hardware?
Real hardware
>Found any hidden gems?
No, not really
>Any fan translations you're looking forward to?
No need

>>6877347
>is it the best port?
Yes, it's very near perfect. Came out AFTER the Dreamcast port, and the devs spent way longer making it just right. Uses the 4MB RAM expansion so there are no compromises on graphical or audio fidelity.

>>6880447
It gets better in 2, they add a number of cool elements, such as:
- A dialog choice leading up to the battle results in one of two tactical approaches to the battle (the amount this changes things differs per battle, but sometimes even results in a totally different map)
- Receiving assistance from supporting characters, like sabotaging an enemy's equipment, or disabling barriers
- Choosing between four different "battle formations" when controlling Ogami, to receive a boost to speed, damage, or defense (at cost to the other two)

>>6880447
>Reimu?

>>6868027
I would be playing PDS, but i dont have disc 1 or 2 that came with the $1 i spent on it.

I felt loadings between battles were to long.
And into menu, too.
Is it normal?

>>6868062
>really feels like we missed out on something
You essentially "missed out" on the original Vita. No big loss.

>>6879883

>>6877939
this is cool and you are cool

>>6870278
very nice

>>6881678
Are you playing with a burned disc, or an original disc?

Does Panzer Dragoon and Zwei play well with a keyboard or am I gonna need to get myself a controller?
I want to replay these games so bad, wont ever forgive my brother for selling our saturn.

>>6868027
The Game Paradise is an awesome shmup for the system. Played on Original Hardware, but sadly my first Saturn and games are in storage in another state rn. However I’ve got a second Saturn from Japan and a MODE coming in, so I’m excited to play a ton more Saturn Games than I’d ever be able to afford on my JVC TM-H150CG CRT monitor with the RGB input card. Gonna has a fuckin blast.

>>6882523
Burned disc with english hack.
It's also can just freeze while one of the loadings. Freezes become significantly less after I found old writer and reburned disc on 4x instead of 16x (why newer drives only support insane speeds as a minimum I don't understand).

I think, it's because my VA0 model gets very hot and laser's performance diminish.

>>6884078
awesome design

>>6882929
>I think, it's because my VA0 model gets very hot and laser's performance diminish.
That could be it, that happens to my white Model 2 as well. When the unit is warm it has more trouble recognizing a burned disc.

>>6884902
>That could be it, that happens to my white Model 2 as well. When the unit is warm it has more trouble recognizing a burned disc.
It happens with later revisions too? Strange, Sega went cheap.
I wonder if there's any cooling mods available.

>>6884078
Source, please, anon.

>>6885071
Shining Force 3

>>6885521
I need to play it already.
Is english patches for Scenario 2/3 are ready or at least playable to the end?

>>6885686
Yes, the English patch has been done for years. It's not "complete" yet, because they're still reviewing the script to have the best possible translation.

>>6885959
I found already patched isos from 2017.
Is that it? Isn't there a newer version?

>>6886010
>Isn't there a newer version?
Yes
http://sf3trans.shiningforcecentral.com/

>>6870478
>want to replay dark savior
>remember silver castle and that fucking minecart segment

>>6877949
Wait, someone translated the Saturn version of Grandia?

>>6887517
Yes, 0.8.5 is the most recent version last time I checked.
Don't know how PSX one plays, but Saturn is silky-smooth 15fps experience.

Iron Storm is such a monkey's paw.
>Maybe the best daisenryaku
>Actually got localized somehow
>Only released on a console I can only emulate on my nasa supercomputer even though I'm sure it would have worked just fine on PS1

>>6887957
You're not missing a whole lot from Daisenryaku relative to other turn-based WWII strategy games unless its simplicity is part of the appeal for you. They're decent games; it's just that there's so much better on the PC.

Running through Batsugun in tate right now, just got a 1cc in special and original and I'll fool around with loops for a bit more, has been real fun

>>6888535
Yeah I like the simplified/abstracted tactical/operational mix. Of course I could just play OpenGeneral/PzGenII on PC or Advance Wars but I'd still like to give it an honest go. A lot of the OpenGen campaigns are uber-grognard tier difficult as well.

>>6888724
In that case it is worth trying. Try Mednafen; it can be demanding to emulate sometimes but Iron Storm definitely does not push the system very far so it should be playable (but you may want to disable the 3D battle scenes)

>>6884078
What would you play first: Shinning Force or Dragon Force?

>>6877629
Here I found another alternate box art.

>>6874645
how does bulk slash work, is it like a space shooter?

>>6877371
the biggest thing that bugs me as an aspectfag and a resolutionfag is that some european TV I want to watch but I'm bothered that the resolution of the footage is higher than 480 so I wouldn't be able to watch it on my tube, unless there's some fancy functionality I didn't consider.

>>6877629
This one isn't too obscure but you won't be seeing it on any quick recommendations. Long running series "Far East of Eden" or Tengai Makyou. This is Tengai Makyou IV The Apocalypse. It's a satirical RPG, this one in particular being about Eastern stereotypes of the West. Possibly one of the best manual covers of all time, the actual case cover is a series of rusty crosses against a blood red sky filled with crows.

>>6889385
It plays kinda like Virtual-On, but it's single player focused and the controls are smoother.

I love the Saturn!

Best licensed anime games?
This one is pretty good.

>>6871387

Saturn version is best version.

>>6886213
>silver castle
absolute kino

>minecart segment
pure shit

I'm fucking going crazy over Mednafen. I used to be able to get good performance on my old laptop but now that I'm trying to play Asuka 120% on my decent PC it's very slow and choppy. I've made sure my CPU usage is fine, graphic card on performance mode and tried different settings but nothing is changing...

>>6893792
What are you specs my guy?

>>6891893
crows and magic knight rayearth

>>6894016
>Crows
Whoa, anon, that's some hidden beat'em'up right there.

>>6894154
Saturn is the delinquents console of choice, with numerous beaters and eaters such as nekketsu oyako, that dungeons and dragons one which was never ported (fuck the butchered ps360 ports) and that I guess probably some more I don't know of.

>>6894163
how could you forget Dynamite Decker, aka Die Hard Arcade

>>6894174
I forgot it because I was only thinking of sprite based ones

>>6894163
>nekketsu oyako
>d&d
>dha
>and tenchi wo kurau 2
That's the only ones I have ever heard about, first time see that Crows one.

>>6868027
>emulating
What's the best emulator nowadays?

>>6894240
HST-0001

>>6894240
SSF