/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6873485
Not bong, not euro, 'ate seething Brits, still love speccy, this is unnecessary and gay bait. Simple as.

It has a 1-voice clicker. Works exactly like the Apple II. You write to the speaker register to activate it and with various timing loops, different tones can be produced. There's no IRQ for it so background music is a no-go. The later Spectrum 128 had a Yamaha sound chip and actual music was possible.

>>6873485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2V5_4PXeZk

>>6873485
Lmao at shitposting about a 1981 calculator in 2020. Imagine actually doing this.

>Oi Nigel, come have a gaff at this
>This egg bloke on the microcomputer does a spin when you jump

>>6873532
kek

>>6873485
We had a saying in the UK: only spackers own speccys

>>6873485
So do people only shitpost about the spectrum because its a british computer. If it came from the states or japan would there be as many shitposters surrounding discussion like a vulture?

>>6873554
Basically. It's like having daily shitposts about the VIC-20.

>>6873485
OI WOT U SAY ABOUT ME SPECCY U RIGHT WANKER I'LL HAVE U KNOW ME BRUV AND I PLAYED THIS 10 TIMES MORE THAN YOUR AMERISHART NINTENSHITE THE FOKKIN BOLLOCKS WIF THE TURTLE AND THE PLUMBER I MEAN WOT THE HELL KINDA GAME IS THAT ANYWAY U CAN'T EVEN PLAY WIF A KEYBOARD AND ANYWAY I FOKKIN SHAGGED UR SISTER U RIGHT UP HER SMELLY ARSE AND BLEW A LOAD IN HER RANCID CUNT YEAH WOT U GONNA DO ABOUT IT U BLOODY BERK HUH WOT U GONNA DO ABOUT IT CUNT

>>6873676
Stupid punter

Fun, when?

Americans can't banter

>>6873532
Gaff is brit slang for house you arsebugger.

>>6873554
Pretty much, it's just another excuse to laugh at bongs.

>>6873485
>Speccyposting thread #421926

Still more relevant than zoomer threads.

>>6873485
Oh look. Another gay little thread by yet another gay little burger. How many bongs was it who owned you this time, you pathetic bitch, and in which thread? Seethe.

>>6873532
>Come have a gaff
Labour wankers handing out council housing like they're fuckin freddos again

>>6873747
Manic Miner is an undeniable classic though. Its sequel Jet Set Willy pushed the envelope on what could be done with video games and Metroid later stole its concept. Of course the genre would later be coined by Americans as Metroidvania stealing JSW's importance and significance away.

https://youtu.be/qhUe2wXTnkk

>>6874080
What? What does this have to do with the ZX Spectrum.

I like the Spectrum. It has this specific aesthetic about it.

>>6873676
Based Speccy nonce innit

>>6874079
What the fuck are you talking about Nigel? No one played those fucking games except Europoor fags, they were so shit you guys paid like 2 dollars for them and they were sold in grocery store checkouts and shit

>>6873485
OI BEST KEYBOARD EVER M8
U MUST BE TAKIN THE PISS

>>6874776
Are the buttons rubber? It looks like the squishiest feeling keyboard ever and the keys are really fucking far apart

>>6874783
Squishy like your mum's cunt, ya cheeky wanker

>>6873532
The Dizzy games are rightly considered classics because there weren't a lot of other UK computer games that had a lot of depth or exploration aspect to them. Most of the time it was just a quick, short time-waster arcade game. Of course forget the NES Dizzy; that was absolute rubbish watered down to be easier for young children to play.

>>6873670
Arguably the closest analogue to it would be the TRS-80 CoCo, though that thing was irrelevant and didn't get the support of mainline software houses like the Speccy did.

>>6873485
It was pretty underpowered even for it's time but it was pretty cheap, it was a good entry point into computing.

>>6874079
And that's why we call open-world Castlevania games Willyvanias

>>6874968
Understand some context that the Spectrum was meant to be cheap (just 99 USD) because it came out in 1982 when Britain was in an absolutely dire economic recession. The C64 wasn't that popular in the early days because it was expensive; not until about 86 did the price come down that people outside the posh crowd could afford them.

>>6874991
Didn't Sinclair manage to buy defective RAM-chips for cheap and just stick in more of them in order to bring the price down? So the 48k version was just like the 16k version except with all fully working RAM chips?

They briefly sold a US version of the ZX Spectrum as the Timex-Sinclair 2068, which had the same underlying hardware but totally different OS ROMs so it wasn't directly software compatible.

So... this is the power of pc gaming...
https://youtu.be/MZYuGUCrkoU

>>6875232
damn we really missed out over here

>>6875246
>>6875232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W1qNpRWWdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwHZ-18Zgvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN6h_a5TrjU

Didn't you burgers go nuts over the Apple II which was very much the same thing, but with worse colours?

>>6875314
That thing came out in the 70s, it gets a pass.

>>6873670
Nobody goes around talking about the VIC-20 because even people with fond memories of it realize it's objectively shit. Spectrum guys are another matter entirely, unironically making threads on it as if it was some legitimate console.

>>6875380
Nothing wrong with a VIC-20 provided you take it for what it is, which is a way of playing short, fast little arcade games without much to them. Basically like an Atari 2600 with a keyboard.

>>6875380
>he thinks it's the Euros on /zr/ that make the speccy threads

lmao spastic

>>6875080
It's got some extra graphics features, more memory, the Yamaha sound chip from the Spectrum 128, and built-in joystick ports...however the joysticks and sound chip have different port addresses than on the 128.

>>6874771
Check out release date of both Jet Set Willy and Metroidvania and realize that you stole the genre from us.

>>6874771
Check out release date of both Jet Set Willy and Metroid and realize that you stole the genre from us.

>>6875314
Nobody had an Apple II except the school computer lab.

https://www.gamejournal.it/the-sound-of-1-bit-technical-constraint-as-a-driver-for-musical-creativity-on-the-48k-sinclair-zx-spectrum/

>Follin published his three-channel music routine as a hexadecimal type-in program listing in Your Sinclair magazine (Follin, 1987), making it freely available for use in non-commercial programs. The listing contains just 167 lines of code, and the entire routine, complete with note data weighs in at just over 1K in size. The article noted that, at the time, Follin was working on a new 6-channel routine with chorus, bass, echo, portamento and full ADSR, all elements that would turn up in his later soundtracks as his commercial engine continued to develop.

>>6875314

Apple II games were just better. Despite the low quality graphics, they have more in common with DOS games than C64/Spectrum games.

>>6875763
>Apple II games were just better. Despite the low quality graphics, they have more in common with DOS games than C64/Spectrum games
C64 games also had more in common with DOS games if you're talking the NTSC library.

>>6875754
Yeah it's just like the Apple II.

>one voice speaker you hit to make it click
>by using delay loops of varying lengths, different tones can be produced
>and it's not run off an IRQ so you can't really have background music in a game

>>6875830
The Apple II (in)famously has no IRQs at all. The Spectrum actually does, it generates an IRQ on the vblank and you can write a game code loop around it to ensure smooth, flicker-free animation. But yeah, the speaker isn't IRQ-driven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmv7ZWAMVx4

0:55

Note all the screen tearing. This is an unfortunate issue with the Apple II since there's several different methods of checking for the vblank depending on what model it is and most game programmers didn't even bother with it.

Nobody had an Apple II in the UK as a home computer, it was incredibly expensive and only seen in offices or sometimes laboratories. It wasn't really used for educational stuff either since the BBC Micro dominated that market.

The personal computer market in the UK back then was really oversaturated between the various Sinclair machines, Commodore machines, Amstrad, TRS-80, Dragon 32, MSX, and more, and a lot of machines like the MSX were also-rans that few people bought and which had little software support.

>it's "ZED-EX", uncultured swine

>>6875056
Not exactly. Flaws an manufacturing happen and making the best use of what you end up with always has been and still is smart business sense. The CPU in your PC almost certainly was manufactured to do more than it's configured to allow but parts have been blocked off because they were defective. Or even just to streamline production without devaluing the more expensive models. You didn't "manage to buy" a defective CPU and use it anyway. The chips you're referring to are the same thing.

>>6875579
Irrelevant Nigel. None of those Japs played your shitty Speccy game

>>6875542
Could it play Spectrum games out of the box? If not was there any games for it?

>>6876259

>>6875080

>>6873532
Haha, this happened at least once somewhere

>>6874003
Calm down Nigel

>>6876656
>come have a gaff at this
Nope.

Reminder that the Spectrum was never ment to be a game machine. Its no wonder the games suck compared to other machines. At least they look and sound better than CGA era DOS games.

>>6876689
yeah Clive Sinclair meant it as an educational tool and he wasn't happy that everyone just used it for games

I won't lie Jetpac was pretty fun

>>6876689
>>6876702
I'm a burger anon and even I think the Spectrum is unfairly shat on here. It was an all-purpose computer more than a game system, and while tech-wise it's a bit jank it was meant to be as cheap as possible so that just about anyone could have one. Sure, maybe it doesn't compete with the NES or the Master System or whatever some people are going on about, but that's not the damn point. Give this poor thing a break.

>>6876225
actually...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWnjHFHrzE&ab_channel=off1k

the people here that are shitting on the speccy would also suck off nintendo himself for a game&watch mario edition

>>6876823
Moshi moshi Speccy-san?

>>6873526
It's that sound when you pull out after you came inside her

>>6874079
they're both on the MSX so why should anyone care

>>6876282
Yeah I saw that fuckface so I guess you're saying it couldn't if it wasn't software compatible. Did it have any games you cheeky cunt?

>>6876840
Even old game and watch games were better than this literal fucking garbage me speccy

>>6876743
>i've never used one but i'm a contrarian faggot so i'll shill for it
yikes

>>6877932
I have but okay

>>6873497
That’s not even how that meme works

>>6875314
>Didn't you burgers go nuts over the Apple II

Nope.

>>6878062
The Apple II was a hugely important, defining machine in the early days...but it was never the biggest selling one.

>>6876840
No, I shit on Nintoddlers for buying the same games over and over too

>>6878080
It was also bought in bulk for schools and offices, but it never was the cornerstone of home computing. It’s like trying to say all PC gamers today play on Mac.

>>6878182
Maybe not but it was kind of central to the history of PC gaming as a whole because entire game companies were founded around the Apple II, including Sierra, Broderbund, Origin, Sirius, and SSI and in a sense, personal computer gaming was born on the system. In terms of sales numbers though, it was outsold by the TRS-80 Model I and then the VIC-20, and then later the C64.

>>6875380
I have never actually seen a legitimate Spectrum thread on /vr/. It's all been troll threads.

>>6878260
We had a game recs thread once and the Zniggy project.

>>6875912
Wasn't the Apple II worse than the ZX Spectrum either way? It was released 5 years prior to the Spectrum and has this super-crazy color system.

>>6878182
Mac computers have been regular PCs since 2006. It's gonna change soon though since they're going over to ARM processors.

>>6877160
enjoy your hyper inflated calculator

>>6879232
>enjoy your hyper inflated calculator
That's literally your Speccy you fucking nonce

>>6879273
You're right anon. I was wrong calling the G&W a calculator.
It's not a calculator. It's a fucking alarm clock. Enjoy your expensive as fuck alarm clock.

>>6877947
Watching a youtube of someone playing a game on one isn't using one dingus. Anyone who's actually used one knows what a colossal piece of shit they are.

Been playing exolon and Rex recently. Anyother games you'd recommend?

>>6879831
Atic Atac.

>>6879364
Why dont you sod off up your mum's twat you fuckin cunt innit

>>6879919
Drop dead you rotten little cunt.

>>6879214
Albion plays the long game.

>>6880006
ARM has been owned by a Japanese company for a bunch of years though, and just got sold to Nvidia.

>>6873485
As an American, I never had this machine. I can't say that I have any games on the thing that I want to play, and don't especially feel the need to have one of these devices. Having said that, there has always been something ingenious about Sinclair's ability to get a lot of work out of very little hardware, and to put it in such a small space. Their pocket calculators alone are impressive for being the first to actually fit in a shirt pocket.

>>6876743
>It was shit as a gaming platform but had other good things about it.
So what tf has that got to do with us? This place is solely about games, not to reminisce about old computers.

You guys are missing the point entirely. Nobody here hates the Spectrum, it's just that people are annoyed at bongs acting as if it and its game library were comparable to AAA console games.

>>6880158
I hate meta threads more than I hate any fandom for being fans of something.

>>6879831
Some of the 3D/vector stuff like 3D Star Strike. Arguably the Spectrum is better at that than the C64 due to having bitmap graphics and greater raw CPU power.

>>6880158
The Amiga was a lot bigger case of wasted potential to me. The Spectrum...it was cheap, crude shit and nothing more. But the Amiga rarely got the software support to really put its capabilities to use.

48k memory is pretty limiting even though Z80 code is somewhat more compact than 6502 code.

>>6880663
>48k memory is pretty limiting even though Z80 code is somewhat more compact than 6502 code

the NES and Master System only have 32k of program code space, don't they?

>>6880663
Their BASIC is using compression, but any serious programming should be in machine code, which they can't really do much to make smaller.

>>6880663
Fuck off you yank bastard, the Speccy was objectively better than the NES

>>6880669
In machine language you'd exploit tricks like self-modifying code to save space.

>>6880679
That kind of method should be machine agnostic. It's not really a speccy feature.

>>6880690
But even so, it becomes pretty well necessary because there's not enough room to write a separate routine for everything.

https://stevewetherill.com/2014/02/09/crosswize-zx-spectrum-self-modifying-z80-code-and-the-stack-a-powerful-combo/

On cartridge-based systems like the NES of course you can't do that.

>>6880668
They do and self modifying code isn't possible. The NES also offloads its graphics data to the separate CHR ROM which helps free space in the main ROM and also of course as a 6502 machine your code is going to be a bit larger in size.

>>6880704
If you're playing from a ROM, it could certainly be limiting... but maybe not impossible. There is some RAM space that exist. Probably not worth doing in the long run, once they got larger chips. Older games however, had some tricks. Consider that Pitfall and Pitfall 2 on the Atari had levels that were procedurally generated, because the cart just didn't have enough room to store the levels outright. Procedural generation is just a form of compression via math.

>>6880719
I know. There are gymnastics you can do with the WRAM in the console to pull off a form of self-modifying code.

You nerd cunts even fuckin play Speccy or wot? Me and me m8s prefer Sabrewulf

>>6880714
On most systems (and remember that the NES's architecture is unique), you just store the compressed graphics data and unpack it on the fly. The Spectrum or C64 or Master System or Mega Drive or, well, really, anything. Or even on the NES if you use CHR RAM instead of ROM.

>>6876823
The saw'een pedophiles in me cabinet will bloody love this!

>>6876689

Best illustrated by the "ZX" line as a whole. They are to home computers what sponges are to animals - the bare minimum that qualifies.

>>6881330
Keep talking shite about me SPECCY and I'll smash you in the fuckin gobber

>>6881330
The US version (the Timex-Sinclair 1000) was kind of laughed off as a joke and they were offered as giveaways with magazine subscriptions.

>>6881379
Bet you won't be laffin when your cocks in me arse will you tosser?

>>6881372

Wasn't shitting on it. Just saying that cost was the ZX line's top priority, and that if they seem primitive, that's the point.

It's not Sinclair's fault that emulation has flattened the price of every retro computer and game system to $0.

You lads ever played Batty? Brilliant game that. Big fan, you could definitely call me a Batty Boy

>I absolutely WUV da Speccy. Haf you ever played Gween Bewet? It's really the dogs bollocks.

>>6882084
Actually...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt8P2nKl4DU

>>6882121
Kim Tranny actually rated Green Beret the #1 best game on the Spectrum in his top 100 list.

>>6882130
It was 3D Death Chase actually

The C64 had a very good port of Green Beret...just maybe a little too fast though which makes the game needlessly difficult. Overall though it's up there with Commando for being one of the best arcade ports on the system.

>>6873526
YOU HAVIN AH GIGGLE MATE??

Worst ports are probably the MSX and, dear god, the Commodore Plus/4 port (was that thing written in BASIC?)

>>6873485
Your cities are burning, Burger. Put the fires out.

>>6882159
Oh yeah, Gween Bewet was 2. Is that you Kim?

3D Deathchase is fucking bollocks btw

>>6873485
It only has music if you're Tim Follin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T42WuUpBuHE

>troll thread
>is up for days

based mods love /vr/

>>6882427
>Nigel the Nonce still seething he had to play this instead of based SMB

>>6880704
>On cartridge-based systems like the NES of course you can't do that.
Of course you can. Well not (You), but someone who knows not retarded can. And many cartridge based games did. We've been doing this since the 2600 kiddo.

>>6880714
>They do and self modifying code isn't possible.
See above

>>6880714
>>6880737
> (NES) self modifying code isn't possible.
It is possible, just not practical, and not done in any commercial games (as far as i know.) You can write instruction bytes to RAM, JMP there, run them and alter them as they run. It's not practical. RAM is already in very short supply. Self modifying code has very few advantages or use cases (if any) where it's faster than hard coded ROM routines.
On disk loaded systems like the C64 where all of your code is in RAM already, self modifying code makes more sense, but still, it's highly situational and not all that useful.

I guess your interest in the speccy depends on wether you like Rare or not.

>>6882469
>picking one of the worst games ever made on the Spectrum and comparing it to SMB

Sasuga burger

>>6880014
So? It's like the British Aviation industry. It's still basically Siddley-Hawker, it's just that every time one of those megacorp aviation conglomerates needs something done, they buy it up and then sell it later, the technology, insittuional knowledge and geographic basing all remain the same.

>>6878039
I modified it slightly, all right?

>>6882084
Oh dear god. Kim has pissed me off ever since his Kimble days, when the transition was happening he was reviewing shite art games about trannies and saying they made him cry. He was getting in fights with incredibly based brit youtubers and trying to score visibility points by appearing on Mr Biffo's otherwise great material.

>>6881330
>sony
They were already in the game industry and didn't know it.

>>6882469
My first computer was a Spectrum +3 and it was alright. I liked Robocop, NOMAD, and a US Gold compilation called Coin-op Hits (OutRun, Bionic Commando, Road Blasters, etc).

I didn't first play a NES until 1991 and, yeah, I quickly realised that I'd been playing... not shit... but an extremely limited experience.

>>6873676
This really noggled my Nigels.

>>6884075
What based British YouTuber? All the retro gaming ones I know like Guru Larry, Top Hat Gay Man, Slope, etc seen to all work with Kim.

I wish he would've just stayed a dude and done it as Kimble Justice. I guess he gets tranny points which results in some views. I actually like his docs I find the Spectrum very interesting despite the memeing. But his tranny voice is quite grating and its too much a part of his persona his logo is like a skick man with the symbol for woman as the head or some such gay shit, clearly a tranny stick man. I don't know why people like him draw attention to the fact they are freaks.

>>6882496
Several games that included extra RAM on the cart used the technique. I'm sure some games did this in WRAM because, contrary to what kids on the internet have told you. the advantages are yuge. It's so spectacularly amazingly useful that it was even used in 260 games that had only 128 bytes available.

>>6884975
It makes more sense on the Atari where the cartridges are so damn small. Taking a few of those RAM bytes to write self-modifying routines could save some real ROM space. The NES with bank-switching ROM, and 32KB even without it, makes plenty of room for code, unlike the 2600. Code isn't your main storage bottleneck on the NES, it's data.
> I'm sure some games did this in WRAM
Possible. I don't know of any. Even with WRAM wired to $6000-$7FFF, RAM is still a precious resource. You still have to copy your instruction bytes there. The bit twiddles involved to change 6502 instructions into something useful are highly situational. A few of them line up well with EOR...
wilsonminesco dot com slash SelfModCode

>>6882084
I want to like Kim's content but that fucking voice grates on my nerves, it sounds like >she has several sticks of gum in her mouth
>Rating the ZX Spectrum of Green Beret that high
Probably played it as a kid, didn't >she?

>>6886001
Yes it was a childhood favorite and he also gushes over the programmer, he did a full-length doc on him and said this was the pinnacle of his work.

His top games lists seem almost entirely based on his own nostalgia with Green Beret being 2 and 3D Death Chase being #1 because he played it so much as a kid. That game is impressive but hardly the best game on Spectrum, there isn't a whole lot to it.

>>6886013
He's different from anyone else because he subverts expectations.

>>6885358
If you have 8k cartridge RAM, there's 10k total available which is really overkill for an 8-bit machine and you'll never actually need to use all of it.

The main thing extra cartridge RAM on the NES helps with is destructible environments; games like SMB3 could not have been possible with just the standard 2k RAM.

>>6886510
Yeah a fat British tranny sperging about me Speccy is rarely expected.

>>6885358
Yes, it's critical for certain things on the 2600 when you're counting cycles just to draw the screen. Not so much on the NES but it was still used. Kiddos who were brainwashed to believe it's evil don't know the power of the dark side.

>>6882084

I'll give Kim credit, she's the first person to find out that >>6882469 was beatable and contained more than one room.

I remember some guy was doing a conversion of Knight Lore for the C64 which they never did back in the day (likely because the Stamper brothers had no experience with the C64). Also it occurred to me if you did this game on the NES, you couldn't do it without a mapper because it used the entire 48k of memory in the Spectrum and the NES only has 32k of program space.

>needed the entire 64k of memory in the computer
What. The Spectrum original was less than 40k. The fuck was the guy doing with this?

>>6886568
Is it just me or do Isometric games seem to be common on the Spectrum? I can hardly remember any Isometric games on c64.

>>6886548
> Kiddos who were brainwashed to believe it's evil don't know the power of the dark side.
Dunno. Self modifying seems gimmicky and sounds alot cooler than it actually is. Why waste cycles modifying instruction bytes in a loop? Just write another loop. Sounds like a nightmare to debug too.

>>6886610
Yes its due to Rarewares "Filmation" isometric engine and how well it worked and so it was copied and used by many other devs after

Whats the best unofficial retro gameboy from a chink manufacturer? I just want something that can play anything from NES to ps1. Like the bittboy but that doesn't do n64

>>6886723
OI THIS IS A SPECCY THREAD YOU FUCKIN TOSSER

>>6886730
Well if it can play speccy games that works too.

You mong.

>>6886740
OI CUNT SOD OFF WITH YOUR CHINK NINTENSHITE CLONES ALRIGHT THIS IS FOR THE WORLDS GREATEST GAMING DEVICE EVER MADE RIGHT AND ITS BRITISH AS WELL CUNT, ITS CALLED ME SPECCY

>>6886779
Mate don't blame me because we sold off all our good chip companies to japan, china and america. Now you and your mates in cambridge are clinging to the last vestiges of a bygone era hoping to resurrect an age of hardcore programming that requires every user to fuck with a terminal.

We're using tablets now you old sod. The fuck you think a speccy with a 3d printed shells and rubber dome keys gonna do?

>>6886791
Speccy btfos all that fucking shite because it has something they don't innit? SOUL.

>>6886816
...You win this round, retrochav.

>>6886817
Dont geez any your shite mate

>>6886664
It only sounds gimmicky to you because you don't understand it. Someone who does doesn't waste cycles. They save butloads of them by quickly repurposing code to avoid expensive jumps, memory reads/writes, and stack operations. It's an absoloute nightmare to debug, which is reason enough to avoid it if you can. There are also fundamental problems such as it simply not being an option in some systems and being very dangerous. None of that changes the fact that sometimes it was the best, or only, way to accomplish something.

>>6887059
Were you a ZX Spectrum dev?

>>6887059
> It only sounds gimmicky to you because you don't understand it. Someone who does doesn't waste cycles.
You can't alter bytes without wasting cycles. LDA EOR STA is 10 cycles alone (8 for in zero page) for one byte. For what? Unless you are coding for a 2 or 4 KB 2600 cartridge, self modifying code makes no sense. Branching instructions take 2 cycles to reject, 3-4 to take. JMP is 3 cycles for an immediate address and only 4 for a stored indirect value. Even JSR / RTS would take roughly as many cycles (12) as doing one alteration to one instruction byte. I can't think of a single situation on the NES where self modifying code makes any sense whatsoever. I haven't read of any games doing it or seen it done yet. Maybe C64 games did it, but the code is in RAM anyway, so maybe it makes sense in some specific cases, but i wouldn't know because that's not my specialty.

>Skool Daze is #1 or near the top in a bunch of Spectrum best games lists
What the fuck even is this? What is wrong with you bongs?

>>6887064
No. I had earlier turds from Sinclair so knew to steer clear. I've fucked around with it but never wrote anything serious or that was sold.

>>6887127
So let me get this straight. You don't know anything about writing self modifying code so you added up cycles for some random instructions and compared that to other single instructions and based on that you can't think of any reason to use a programing technique you.ve never used for a system you've never programed for. You're not seriously expecting me to respond with anything other than lol, right?

>>6887212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCjgUNz6bQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnIGs_hpCQI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cf2kFK_94o

Well it's actually got a pretty good port of Bubble Bobble, possibly because the Follins Brothers made it.

>theres this console called the zed ecks spectrum
>it was one of britains best-selling computers
>and it sucks ass
>even the later tandy had better sound processing
>funniest shit ive ever heard
>looks pretty cool though haha

>>6887914
Some arcade games seemed to fare better on home systems than others. Double Dragon for example just always sucked, they never managed to make a good home conversion of that on anything.

>>6887927
i think it had to do with the overall complexity of the game and the physics it had. beat em ups are pretty complicated, they're not easy to program especially given the usually rushed development schedules of home conversions and the weak hardware. it wasn't that hard to port something like Arkanoid to a home computer of the time, but stuff like Karnov was often just asking too much.

>>6887768
some examples would be nice

>>6887935

Renegade 1 and 2 are pretty good Spectrum beat em ups, though they're limited by 1 fire button.

I don't think any home systems had good beat-em-ups until the Mega Drive.

>>6873532
Isn't this that shitty game for the Aladdin Upper Decker or whatever it was called?

God the Brits just have the worst of everything

>>6888339
Oi would you fancy a bit of a spankin, cunt? No? Then cease shite talkin me speccy

>>6886817
That's coz me luv for me Speccy is like armor right, nothin can hurt me. I'm like one of them those knight blokes wot wear the metal shirt and trousers

>>6888339
And still you envy us

>>6889259
Nobody envies the brits, not even Indians anymore.

>>6886779
Luv me speccy.

>>6889267
This post radiates envy and you envy us.

>>6889301
No I live in a very quaint and comfy part of America, I don’t envy anyone.

>>6889303
You've never loaded a game on tape cassette and you envy us

I wish GuruLarry were here.

>>6889321
I literally press small runs of cassettes as a side job.

>>6889348
And still you've never loaded a game off one you virgin lmao

>>6889367
Of course I have, I’m something of a cassette expert if I’m being perfectly honest.

>>6889370
You aren't you gormless nonce

>>6889380
>nonce
Why do pedos always steer the conversation towards their illness?

>>6889370
Why are you attracted to children you cassette nonce?

>>6889390
>cassette nonce

>>6887951
Some examples of what exactly? Something you think would make sense? Not be gimmicky? I have no idea what might fit those criteria.

>>6889275
fuck off nazi scum

>>6889380
>>6889390
>>6889412
>pedo can’t help but bring up pedophilia
you hate to see it folks

>>6879204
IIRC the apple 2 couldn't display colour in PAL territories because their colour system relied on quirks of the NTSC standard

people here keep comparing the Spectrum to other contemporary computers, which is relatively unreasonable. It's like comparing a Lada to a Rolls Royce. The question isn't "do you want the Lada or the Rolls?" it's, "Do you want the Lada or are you going to fuck off home without any car?"
it's easy to ignore budgets with hindsight now that you can emulate anything you like from that era on a modern PC and conclude that the most expensive one is the best, but it's hardly fair or realistic.

the modern example of something like a spectrum would be a raspberry pi. the advantage it offered was always in giving programmers a cheap computer. if you judge the system as a games console, based on the quality of the average game some 17 year old bedroom coder sent out to Ocean Software, of course it's not going to measure up to something that cost three times as much. if you judge it instead based on the fact that it enabled 17 year old bedroom coders to get software published, it comes out looking a lot better.
desu i'm tempted to take a look at ZX Spectrum productivity software now and see what that was like.

>>6890001
>It's like comparing a Lada to a Rolls Royce
More like comparing a Trabant to a Rolls Royce. Ladas were actually pretty good I think, the Trabant's body was made from fiberglass and you had to mix the gasoline with oil yourself.

>>6890001
The Speccy was not nearly as shitty as you make it out to be. You're probably a Commodore faggot

>>6889348
>press
>cassettes
zoom zoom

>>6890089
>speccy not nearly as shit
>commodore faggot

>>6890150
Its not shite at all you know what I meant cunt

Also he is a Commodorefag and you probably are as well shilling against the Speccy

>>6890115
>zoom zoom
I literally get paid to press small runs of cassettes, does your autism not let you accept that because that doesn't literally involve a wax press?

>>6889348
>>6890252
>literally
I don't think he's being figurative here, guys...

>>6890381
>guys
who are you talking to? it's just the two of us in this thread.

You know what I always found sad? That PCs couldn't do smooth sprite animation and scrolling until the Doom era when Spectrum programmers were able to make it happen on a 3Mhz CPU with a frame buffer and 48k memory. Why are supposedly vaunted games like Commander Keen so choppy?

>>6890386
>not keen on commander keen
filtered

>>6890390
He just said the scrolling is choppy.

>>6890252
Just making fun of your low quality larp kiddo

>>6890765
i have my decks sitting right behind my desk top lmao

>>6890781
>I have my decks
Sorry I meant dicks, typo

>>6890812
i dont understand what there is to be incredulous about lol

>>6890386
The NES had much worse specs than that and shit all over the spectrum in every imaginable way. I would have thought the Spectrum specs were a lot worse and that's how its horrendous graphics etc. were justified.

>>6890841
The main thing it does better than the Spectrum is hardware scrolling and an actual sound chip, but then the Spectrum 128 takes care of the latter issue anyway.

>>6890841
It's almost as if a consoles architecture is soley structured for gaming compared to a word processor never designed for gaming.

>The NES had much worse specs than that
It's almost as if a NES cartridges contained dedicated ROM and RAM for software that didn't have to be be held in volotile memory unlike the spectrum
You can't say the NES had worse specs and not factor in the hardware on the carts

>>6890819

he's just a lonely and bitter guy, don't mind him

>>6882419
You gotta do it right. It's spelt GIGGOLE.

>>6890089
If a computer cannot display graphics without severely lacking the ability to show these graphics intact, it's a bad machine. None of this applies to a Commodore computer.

>>6890781
lmao indeed. What are you pressing with them? Your larp?

>>6891045
I record them the ghetto way with my nice 80s HK tape decks, have to clean the tapeheads every run (about 25-30 tapes usually, no more than 100 per run)

bump for based speccy

>>6891114
based bumper

>>6873485
>imagine actually playing this
I can picture it now

>>6891160
yeah?

>>6891175
yeah

>>6891045
>>6891052
no response?

>>6891134
bumping based based bumper

>>6891253
this

>>6891326
what?

>>6891052
Yes, that's really the best way to do it. My grandfather is an old HK cassettes presser from back in the day and he's told me a many stories about how he used to press small runs of cassettes. Sometimes he won't shut up about it. Back then, of course, it wasn't just a side job. Kids just couldn't get enough of his hot pressed cassettes and he made 3 billion chinkbucks (5 UNITED STATES DOLLARS ) a month pressing those cassettes. Also pulled a lot of pussy, cuz like the saying goes, "bitches cant get enough of dem pressed cassettes". But it was hard work cleaning all that wax off the tape heads after pressing 25- 30 cassettes and eventually he had to stop. Now he presses spotify streams. Just does it as a side job but still makes decent money at it.

>>6884113
>playing NES for the first time in 1991
>that's 2 years into the 16-bit era of consoles (nintendo was late)
Imagine being so poor that you've never seen a console game or an arcade machine. The ABSOLUTE STATE of britpoors.

>>6891373
Spakers who talk shite about me Speccy get a shiner you skriking Scouser

>>6891383
>this cope
you're the one who asked me about tapes my friend, i dont know why you're so upset by what I do for side money. Some artists want tapes these days for whatever reason.

>>6891396
Not him but i'm unironically a scouser and did the bumping based based bumper post

>>6891416
based liverpudlian

>>6891398
you use the words tapes and cassettes a lot, is that a codeword for child porn?

>>6891426
nigger what

>>6891919
See
>>6890980

>>6891426
>pedo brings up child porn unprovoked
A tale as old as time

Based

>>6891945
Yes

>>6891961
No?

>>6891978
Yes.

>>6891398
I never asked you about tapes, my little larping zoomie. All I ever did was make fun of you and your larping. The only one coping here is the tape presser. And it's fucking hilarious. Don't stop.

>>6891991
Again, your issue seems to be the word “pressing” here more than the action itself. You should get the operation and have your autism removed

>>6891998
Yeah so what? So what if I’m jealous. I’ve been on 4chan long enough to know not to believe people when I don’t want to believe them. Ball’s in your court jerk.

>>6892017
Why can’t you just enjoy the board for what it is? Why do you have to lash out against the board itself to get your boomer rocks off?

>>6892040
You don’t get it do you zoomer? I don’t like you, I never wanted your kind on here! The mods would rangeban you if they were smart but they’re not! They never listen to me! But they’ll ban you if i tell them to haha, they owe it to me!

>>6892049
Whatever boom boom, stay mad

>>6892059
Ok

>>6892074
Basedx2

Bump

>>6892156
Yes

>>6892197
What?

>>6883667
I don't hate the speccy, I just think it's funny to trigger brits.
Jetpac was fun.

>>6892262
You're not triggering Brits though. It's Americans and trolls.

>>6892305

>>6892318
Delet

>>6873554
Of course not. These threads are just Americans trolling other Americans. If a cheap microcomputer came out in the US and a large chunk of the population in the 80s played it, it'd be feted as the greatest thing ever and showing how superior American tech and business is.

>>6892318
I was born in 1990 and I've never even seen a Spectrum. The amount of actual Brits who like the Spectrum on /vr/ is so infinitesmally low and they'd likely have gone to dedicated forums and such ages ago. Meanwhile you can just pretend to be British, call Americans fat or something boring and they'll reply seeth and then you reply back and boom. Then a bunch of newfags come in, see it and think "oh boy shitposting! That's what's 4chan is for!" and they join in.

>>6892338
t. Seething retard diaper baby boomer

>>6892346
Does a (you) really thrill you so?

>>6892351
Yes, give me some more Ricky retardo

>>6892351
They think (Yous)s are upvotes.

>>6892364
>(((They)))
Take your meds haha

6892365
Not giving you any more.

>>6892367
>still typing the number
You can’t help by reply to me, can you?

>>6891998
I don't have an issue. I'm just making fun of a retarded larper. Of course I make fun of you not knowing what words mean.

>>6891934
In Britain they spell it pædophile

Oi i've heard there's someone distributing child porn in this thread via audio cassette tape, "pressings" he calls them

Beating up on the Spectrum is a little unfair; it was a cheap as dirt home computer designed when Britain was in a dire economic recession. I agree it overstayed its welcome and probably should have been retired by about 1986 when the economy had recovered and we didn't have a need for poverty-spec computers anymore.

requesting that image of the british fella reviewing the spectrum game.

also,
LUV ME SPECCY LIKE ME CHIPS AND GRAVY

>>6893581
Keep denigrating the Speccy like that and you won't like what comes next you barmy little nonce. It's not that your facts are wrong, its your tone, cunt.

>>6893695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Or_PgmqOVQ

>I'm playing ZX Speccy,
>I'm never gonna stop
>Dizzy, Knight Lore, Jet Pac
>I've played the fackin' lot
>Horace, Manic Miner
>And Jet Set Willy too
>I'm a retro gaming bastard
>Because the Speccy is that good

Ale ale ale, ale ale ale...

>>6876823
wow, epic burn. maybe there's a bit of truth in what yo're saying

>>6873485
Speccy was homegrown UK innovation, just like the C64 was for America. It was cheaper and cooler and had a more active DIY/bedroom coding scene. There was such little software in the beginning, you had to make your own.

>>6878260
the speccy is the king of soul. they know this.

>>6896758
Actually it's more interesting that the UK had a homegrown personal computer industry while Germany did not despite its reputation as a tech powerhouse.

>>6897323
I don't think I've ever heard of Germany being characterized as "a tech powerhouse" when it comes to home computers or electronics. I've heard of Sweden, Finland, Silicon Valley, Japan, China, Russia, Singapore, but Germany?

>>6897323
>>6897360
West Germany didn't have its own personal computer industry because the industrial lobby was so powerful it basically commandeered all computer products.