/vr/ - Retro Games

Yes, how dare they save the world from ruin and doing very little to change things before the entire world went to post-apocalyptic shit?

Dr. Light essentially eradicated humanity.

yeah man and mario was totally the real villain

Sigma is actually an animal rights activist and X is a poacher.

think about it.

Grasping for straws thread? Here's some material for you guys:

>MegaMan was really a bad guy for murdering robots, who did nothing but stand in rooms waiting for him
>Mario kill thousands of innocent Koopas, of which he could have gone around
>Sonic removed an efficient system that Robotnik made to keep the animals safe in robotic mech suits
>Sparkster wasn't saving the world from a pig army. He just crashed into a party and the scared people tried running from him. The explosions were fireworks gone wrong
>Cloud forced Chocobos to breed, how inhumane!
>OP isn't a faggot, he's just trying to save the world

Crono is no hero. He's a puppet. Lavo's puppet to be exact. The entity? Doesn't exist. Those portals are actually created by Lavos himself, to coax you into travelling through time to murder timelines. Which conveniently end up in the darkness at the end of time, feeding the Time Devourer. This is why you never get to see the far future, in which humanity prospers, having seen the errors in their ways after struggling to survive as one species after the cataclysm in 1999.

>>686108
Not when you kill him 20 minutes into the game.

>>686103
>I have no counter argument, better ridicule the opposition

>murder
>timelines
Cut this shit out

>>686119
Non-canon endings do not count

>>686128
It's the only canon ending.
Plus, you can't get a "canon" ending from anything that involves time travel.

>>686120
>Hurr, Chrono is bad for trying to stop someone from destroying time
>Hurr, even though he saved fucking time and existence itself, he's a bad guy because something was altered along the way.

Yeah, no.

>>686135
>Chrono
>saved fucking time and existence itself

what

>>686048
OP, that future did not exist until Crono went forward into it. Look at it this way.

One morning you wake up, you have to decide between applejacks or going to the store and fighting with a guy over the last box of fruit loops. You decided on applejacks. Then you find out eight thousand years in the future, humanity is on the brink of destruction, it's a total shithole, every person who is born deep down wishes they were just dead because life is so fucking bad, and it's all because of that jackass who got the fruit loops.

You have the chance to go back and take the fruit loops from that guy and make the future a much, much, much, much, much, much better place.

Furthermore, that future only exists as the glimpse you caught of it to begin with.

>time travel is never accurately portrayed in anything ever
>long intricate plots to go back and kill hitler/lee harvey oswald
>doesn't just go back and spend five minutes talking to hitlers father before hitler is even born
>those five minutes spent would entirely change the course his sperm would take, fucking astronomical odds that hitlers seed would be the one to come out ahead

>>686170
Yeah, yeah, no shit, anybody with half a brain gets that.

>>686170
>talk

Why talk when you can give him a blowjob and eat Hitler?

>>686103
>Cloud forced Chocobos to breed
In the first ten minutes he sets off a bomb that kills countless people. Nigga is a fucking terrorist.

>>686170
>Using the incomprehensible power of time-travel to talk to an old fuck.
>Not using it to murder a baby.

>>686170

Id rather go back and bribe the admissions board for the art college Hitler got denied by.

>>686173
Then why, despite all the games concerning time travel, are there never any accurate portrayals?

How about next time we travel timelines, we end up in one where everybody is completely different. The opposite gender, race, or maybe they don't exist at all. Has there even been a movie to address this?

>>686179
Being a fag for the greater good is true sacrifice.

>>686187
This. Why murder when we could have a great artist?

>>686170
>time travel is never accurately portrayed in anything ever
How do you accurately portray time travel

>>686187
But Hitler was a terrible artist and would have failed out anyways.

>>686191
Because that wouldn't be nearly as interesting.

Why didn't Toriyama say anything? He had a better grasp on time travel.

>>686206

>>686191
Because a 5 minute episode of some show where they go back in time, talk to a guy, go back to the present, learn not to fuck with time travel, and then go back back in time time to ungoback in gotime is fucking boring as shit, they have an hour of air to fill with commercials and tv program.

>>686202
I'm not saying do a game about talking to Hitlers dad, but whenever you have a character travel through time, make the world actually fucking different.

>>686170
>those five minutes spent would entirely change the course his sperm would take, fucking astronomical odds that hitlers seed would be the one to come out ahead

Nobody I've ever talked to ever seems to get that about semen. Even just a tiny little delay can affect which little sperm comes out first.

>>686191
How does time travel change people's genders and race? The 'don't exist at all' thing is the only thing that would happen. You sound about as retarded as the intricate plots to kill Hitler, instead of strangling Hitlerbaby or kicking Hitler's dad in the junk.

>>686206
Didn't that guy get eaten by Cell?

>>686215
That would depend on if you want to use the butterfly effect, and what the character in question does wherever they're traveling to. Not everyone believes that if you kill a fly 100 years in the past, the Nazi's win.

>>686214
Stephen King does an entire book about going back in time through a doorway and living up until the JFK assassination. Despite directly talking to Lee Harvey Oswald and dicking around for about 800 pages, Lee Harvey Oswald is still on top of the library ready to shoot JFK.

After stopping that and going back to present day, the same fucking diner is there, with the same fucking people, in the same fucking town, despite "the butterfly effect" causing reality to fall apart.

Then he goes back and doesn't do anything and everything resets.

Wow, much better.

>>686196
>Hitler was a terrible artist

Bullshit. He was infinitely better than some fucking faggot soup can tracer or shark pickler.

>>686230
AND THEN MUSSOLINI ENDED UP BEING TWINS
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>686236
It wasn't that he was a bad artist, its that he was a boring one. Nothing he did really stood out from anything, and he had a pretty narrow ability. Pretty much nothing but buildings and scenery and shit.

>>686232
What are you talking to me for? Are you saying that that Stephen King book is good?

>>686225
>I have no idea how reproduction works
See >>686224

For a more detailed description, you have millions of sperm all fighting each other to get to the seed first. The odds of Hitler coming out again after spending five minutes with his father that he otherwise wouldn't have, are one in several million. Even if somehow Hitler did come out, he'd likely be an entirely different person.

>>686243
I'm just saying he spends 1,000 pages doing absolutely nothing, like most time travel stories. Having it accurately portrayed would be great. The line at the end of my last post was sarcasm.

>>686241
He was a bad artist though. Boring art IS bad art. $10, sold on a shelf at K-Mart, hanging on Grandma's wall next to a dish with a watercolor cat on it.

>>686245
>genes determine everything about a person, not how they were raised, where they grew up, other people's influence on them, etc

No, he probably would have been exactly the same, just maybe with slightly different colored eyes.

>>686236
>he draws better than me so he should be in art school
Hitler refused the basic principles of art, all his work was repetitive and boring, and there were hundreds if not thousands of better artists at the time.

>>686245
Are you fucking stupid? Seriously, are you fucking stupid? Because you are acting like you are fucking stupid.

Mark, born of white parents, GPA of 3.5, loves football, masturbates to eminem's teeth, does not suddenly become a fucking black woman named Latisha because you time traveled.

Mark is fucking GONE. Mark as we knew him ceases to fucking be. You don't wind up with Black Mark, or Short Mark, or any other Star Trek Mirrorversion of Mark that is for all intents and purposes Mark but ONE OR TWO things are different.

I know exactly how reproduction works. You're the one trying to argue that time travel will suddenly change people's race.

>>686256
>Boring art IS bad art. $10,

$15m

>>686269
You want me to explain the dumb masses, to you? Because I'm not going to.

>>686259
>out of millions of sperm cells, Hitler would still be Hitler
>Hitler largely came into power after going to a single rally which he was able to steal the spotlight at
>that five minute difference could be the difference between hitler getting shot as a solider, or not attending the rally where he began his rise to fame

>>686269
Boring is subjective. This is not boring. It is an explosive and revolutionary mind-blowing piece criticizing capitalism in post-war America.

>>686182
it's not countless, but it's a lot. And the game actually points it out and makes you feel bad about it

>>686265
>misreads what I'm saying
>goes full autist
If you went back, "Mark" would just as likely be a girl, or a retard, or an infinitely different person. It'd be an entirely different sperm is the entire point of what I'm saying. Jesus fucking christ, your reading comprehension is terrible.

>>686269

>people pay for drawings of soup cans

I give the benefit of the doubt to people attributing high value on paintings, but drawings of soup cans is not exactly art.

>>686279
Ironic shit posting is still shit posting.

>>686272
I dunno, drawing a bunch of something that exists seems pretty fucking boring to me.
Same with people splashing paint over a canvas with their dick and calling it art.

>>686273
No. Just no. I don't know how you think different sperm in one shot could have any difference other than a few hair follicles being different, but you're being incredibly stupid. It's far more about how someone is raised, and how they're taken care of in the womb. 5 minutes isn't going to make a cunt hair of a difference.

>>686279
Sounds like an excuse for someone with no imagination. The guy painted a bunch of fucking soup cans. That shit is boring.

>>686284
I'm just saying, Sephiroth is a monster because he burned Nibelheim to the ground. There were maybe a dozen houses in Nibelheim, I guarantee you more people died as a result of their bombing

>>686287
>Misreads what I've been saying repeatedly
>full retard

If Mark was a girl, Mark would not be Mark. If Mark was retarded, Mark might still be named Mark, but it would not be the Mark we knew. The fact that it is an entirely different sperm is the entire point of what I'M saying, you fucking nitwit. OLD MARK CEASES TO FUCKING BE.

>>686293
Of course it is boring, but that's subjective. Any retard can slap together a few intelligent sounding words and turn a campbell's soup advertisement into a fifteen million dollar piece, they just need one weirdly dressed retard to shit their pants over it.

"OH YEAH MAN, CAPITALISM, I GET IT, THE KING'S NEW CLOTHES ARE BEAUTIFUL!"

>>686293
An entirely different sperm comes out on top, and you think hair follicles will be the only different? It was a lucky chain of events that put Hitler into power in the first place, and there were literally dozens of assassination attempts that he just barely missed. Five minutes would be the difference between Hitler existing at all, calling me stupid because you don't understand how reproduction works doesn't make your argument any stronger.

>>686298
That's why I put his name in quotes, how fucking autistic do you have to be to argue over what his/her new name would be?

>if the hitler sperm doesn't win then WW2 doesn't happen

Bullshit. He gets a slight variation in genetic composition, nothing meaningful on anything but a biological scale, that's it. You still have an Adolf Hitler raised by Adolf Hitler's parents in Germany, an Adolf Hitler that lives through World War 1 and the aftermath. An Adolf Hitler that exists in a Germany with a socialist nationalist part (he didn't found it after all).

Changes are nothing will change on a historical level, at the very most you might end up with someone other than Hitler running the show during WW2 but even that isn't a massive shift. You've still got the circumstances and culture that produced Adolf Hitler, you still have the high ranking Nazis like Gobels and Himmler.

>>686308
I'm calling you stupid because you think there's a drastic genetic difference between individual sperm, and completely disregarding much more important factors such as how he's taken care of in the womb and how he's raised. If you said almost literally anything else, you might have a solid case, but you chose to argue a pointless stance in an example that would have no bearing on the outcome of things.

Just change your shit to "Delayed Hitler for 10 minutes before he went to one place, resulting in his death" and it would be much more believable.

>>686187
It'd probably be better to bribe the architecture schools to accept him rather than refuse him entry due to lacking credentials.

He would've been a much better architect than painter, and it's a more steady line of work

>>686324
And there's a very good chance they would have been more successful. Hitler was utterly useless once you get past the charismatic leader part.

>>686324
What if it turns out to be a girl?

>>686338
Has nothing to do with the sperm. That's decided months afterwords.

>>686321
>drastic difference
There is the chance for him to be an entirely different person, and given that it was a string of lucky and unlikely events that put hitler into power to begin with, five minutes spent talking to his father, or simply punching him in the face might be the difference between him fucking his wife that night.

>>686341
you fail biology forever

>>686048
>>686147
>>686135
>understanding time travel
>20XX
Since there is actually a follow up to Chrono Trigger, the question of repercussions for Chrono's time travel escapades has a clear and resolute answer.
You -do- fuck shit up in the process.
Thats why Cross was so fucking awesome, it made noble intentions work out in objectively good and bad ways. I don't agree with OP that Chrono is a villain, and that wasn't the point either, but fucking with space+time does have repercussions. The Chrono-Trigger fanbase has always suffered massive prolapse over the mere existence of trigger, let alone any implications Chrono and Marle did not live happily ever after making litters of vegeta-babbies.
>BUT MUH HAPPY ENDING
>THEY DESERVE IT
this is why we can't have fun anymore and we get generic yearly sequels. Hell, according to Chrono-fans, Lufia II must be shit because its a prequel to Lufia 1, and you already know ALL YOUR FUCKING PARTY WILL DIE.

>>686341
Please start using a tripcode so that I can properly filter you.

>>686365
Please learn to argue properly.

>>686368
Cross has an entirely different feel to it than Trigger does. For the most part Trigger is upbeat, it doesn't raise the big questions about the repercussions of time travel. People love it for its characters, and the journey.

Cross is grimdark in comparison It's like if someone did a sequel to power rangers dealing with the buildings that always got destroyed by the big monster in every episode. The two games attract entirely different people.

>>686387
http://www.baby2see.com/gender/

see also, every biology textbook ever

>>686394
So you're still wrong. 50% chance it'll still be male, and even if it comes out female, there's a fair chance that person still takes a similar course in life.

>>686387
See >>686361
I'm not the only one arguing with you at this point, and have yet to call you stupid, despite that being the backbone of each of your posts.

>>686403
Did you drop out of high school? I wasn't calling you stupid before, but god damn you just went full retard.

>>686405
If their goal was to make Hitler's father not fuck his wife that night, then why are we discussing genetics? That's a different road entirely.

>>686410
A coin flip doesn't equal out to "astronomical odds it would still be Hitler"

>>686397
>For the most part Trigger is upbeat

>Crono thrown in jail and about to be executed
>commit genocide on reptites
>Zeal blows up
>Janus gets fucked
>Schala left to die
>bleak future
>etc etc

>>686397
>The two games attract entirely different people.

Yes, children and adults. Trigger is a children's picture book and Cross is a novel. The real tragedy here are not CT's heroes' fates, but the CT fanbase's stunted transition into adulthood.

>>686428

>suggesting trigger wasn't lighthearted

also golemboss

>>686397
>Cross is a novel
No. No no no. I like Cross, but its storyline is ridiculously clumsy, from start to finish. Trigger doesn't try as hard to be deep or meaningful, but it's told so much better for what it is.

>>686048
Do you even understand time travel?
Even if it's the way you said, Crono still did the best for the overall good. Dude's a hero in my book.

Also, unrelated, Crono is the character I most wish one day reaches ssb. Probably not, but a man can dream.

>>686459
Whoops, meant to quote >>686445

>>686445
Heh.

>>686459
>told so much better

>everyone should've just poofed away the second Marle disappears
>Marle should've stopped existing the second Ayla leaves
>Cyrus should've never had the Masamune
>Doan in 1000AD after his timeline is eradicates

etc etc etc. CT's story is a complete clusterfuck.

Cool universe you got here... It'd be bad if anything were to happen to it...

>>686460
>Crono still did the best for the overall good

You can't tell. A cataclysmic event can have a very positive effect in the long run. Just like our best technological advances were made in war times.

>>686460
>Do you even understand time travel?

No one does.

>>686397
>trigger is upbeat
Yes
>Cross is grimdark
wrong.
>>686459
>Cross storytelling is ridiculous
This has always, always been a shallow counter argument. You can reverse the same argument and just point out the thin plot of CT. People won't let anyone attack Trigger for being as shallow as a kiddy pool and as deep as any typical 90s anime, but the second Cross comes into the picture?
>Pandering too deep for you scatter plot!
I love both games, honestly. But CC just outshines CT to me, and a large part of CT fanbase is livid for no good reason than nostalgia and childhood pandering.
>>686445
This a thousand times, you can tell this from here,
>>686448
>>686460
People put Trigger on a "lighthearted" pedestal, want characters in smash etc. Cross expected its audience to mature with it, and instead you got kicking and screaming and labeled "GRIMDARK". Cross was not grimdark, it was very upbeat itself, but people miss this because they're so focused on their obsession about what happens to CT characters, I don't know, I just can't take the fanbase for CT seriously anymore. As I mentioned, Lufia as a franchise must be
>SO FUCKING GRIMDARK
Because
A)your parents are DEADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
B)the party from Lufia II will die in the game and you already know they ALL die in Lufia 1. ALL of them. Not like in Cross where there's only two confirmed "deaths", Luca and robo. Then again leave it to CT fans to not realize Frog and the gang are all dead anyways once you go back to 1000AD, so deep bros.
Also
C)Lufia, your childhood friend, DIES
Meanwhile
>a majority of the CC cast, which is larger than the cast of CT, survives
SO FUCKING GRIMDARK MAN, I CANT HANDLE IT.

>>686483
>>686513
I'm not talking about the literal plotlines or anything. I'm just saying, Trigger gets its themes across better. Cross shoehorns this unnecessary environmental message, and even gives you the option to completely negate the message by choosing not to kill the hydra, but still tries to guilt you out over it anyway. Plus, the exposition dumps, the unnecessary retcons, and the way too many characters.

I'm not saying Cross is a bad game. I really don't think that. But it's certainly no more mature than any of the other PS1 Square games, which don't really rise above mediocre anime quality storytelling. It's a beautiful game for the atmosphere and music, but the plot is nothing worth writing home about by any stretch of the imagination.

>>686445
>Yes, children and adults. Trigger is a children's picture book and Cross is a novel.
I agree with you, Cross is much deeper on a number of levels, but it also feels like they went back and made a childrens book needlessly dark and gritty. Cross already told a compelling story without throwing Trigger under the bus. I think that's why there's such division between fans. People grew up with CT, and then to hear that it was all for nothing for the sake of making CC could come as a low blow for some people.

I, for one, enjoy them both for entirely different reasons.

>>686513
I probably said that wrong. I didn't mean Cross is actually grimdark, just in comparison to Trigger it comes across as much, much darker.

As for the rest of that post, those were entirely different people you were talking to. I love CC, and its story.

>>686397
>Cross is grimdark

>Invade a manor with some crazy deluded frenchman
>save an island with rock music
>fly to the final dungeon on a dingy boat with a UFO engine tied to it

>>686535
>trigger gets its themes across better
How, other than its simplicity?
>Cross isn't any more mature than any other PS1 Square game
Brave Fencer and Einhander were deep man. That aside, I'd argue most PS1 square jrpgs were that good.

>>686542
I admit I was just skimming through the replies half assed and just saw "grimdark" and went off on a tangent as its one of those common strawmen, my mistake.

The only, and I mean ONLY reason Chrono Cross is considered grimdark is because the graphics are literally darker because the game is on playstation and doesn't look like Dragonball.

>>686550
This.
Also
>save time and space
>make resolutions for characters who were previously in despair
>mojo and sneff
CC was ridiculously optimistic with all the subject matter it dealt with.

>>686078

Well, animal rights activists are known to be batshit crazy, so I don't blame anyone for giving those cunts a beating.

>>686557
Or how about the scene where you find out multiple versions of every single character from Trigger are trapped in an endless dimension of torment because you had the audacity to try and stop a giant space flea from destroying the planet? "Deep."

>>686565
Try that again without telling outright lies.

>>686296

Sephirot's was closer and more personal.

Also
>Dat first time you see what Sephirot did to that serpent

Nearly shat my 10yo pants with anticipation.

This guy. He eats the entirety of the local wildlife, including a majority of the residents too.

>>686575
Weak shit, really.
"Here is a monster you can scarcely damage."
"WOW LOOK AT HOW BADASS SEPHIROTH IS HE DID 999999999 DAMGES"

Any character in Ogre Battle.

>>686565
>not understanding CC
>not understanding the ghost children at all
>proving the point all CT fans care about is what happens to the characters of CT without paying attention to the plot
hahaha, too rich.

>>686557
>the graphics are literally darker

The last thing I'd say about CC is it being dark. It's literally summer weather: the game

>>686595
Those graphics are dark compared to Chrono Trigger.

Trigger tells an extremely simple story, but much like Dragonball it makes up for it by featuring fun characters and great settings.
Cross tells an interesting story but becomes convoluted by the time you hit Chronopolis and falls on its face whenever they tie it back to Trigger.

Both have their individual writing issues and appeal to two very different kinds of JRPG players. To say one is objectively better than the other is idiotic.
This also isn't a Chrono series thread, so polite sage for off-topic.

>>686583

Jesus Christ, man. Do you take everything so seriously? There's this thing called 'suspesion of disbelief.'

You sound like the asshole that has to point everyting out in the movie. We all notice it, but we won't ruin the experience just to try to prove a point.

>>686635
What are you talking about? Suspension of disbelief has nothing to do with it. They throw you against an impossibly strong monster and go, 'OH GOSH IT IS UNDEFEATABLE IT WILL MURDER YOU' and then 'OH BUT SEPHIROTH BEAT IT SO HE IS SO FUCKING POWERFUL'
It's Dragonball Z shit and only autistic children would be impressed.

>>686646

>>686652
I lol'd.

>>686652

>>686646

>Autistic

Oh, you're one of those retards that don't even know what the word means.

The point of that scene is precisely to show how powerful Sephirot is. Why the hell are you making a fuss about it, I don't know. Maybe you're just hormonal like that.

>>686103
>innocent Koopas

They're soldiers of Bowser's army.

>>686293

The soup cans picture shows 32 different choices that are all the same shit. It's adding a message to something that already exists. Is that message worth $15 million? Fuck no, but artfags are weird like that. But it's not "just" soup cans.

Hope you got that video saved, it's gonna be worth millions someday.

>>686707
If anything we should feel pity for the hapless goombas, who were once peaceful residents of the Mushroom Kingdom, whom Bowser turned into his minions.

>>686056
Fuck yeah!
Seriously, Light's one evil bitch...

>>686241

He's the original Photoshopper. That's why he's gotten recognition.

>>686048
They wouldn't exactly recover the way you imagine..., they would build up and prosper only to be consumed by Lavos.

>>686550
>>686560
Like I said in >>686542 I didn't really mean Cross itself was grimdark, only when you compare it to Trigger does it come off as dark. Even when Trigger is in a serious situation, like Crono being about to be executed, there's no real tension, you even end up fighting a robot dragon, it's a crazy childs tale.

Cross takes itself more seriously, and while it has its humor, there's a lot more serious plot and thinking going on. Like someone else said, it's for a more mature audience, hopefully people who grew up from CT.

But think about Cross for a second. It opens with the prophetic vision of you killing some young girl, then you end up in a timeline where you've been dead for years and visit your own grave, then you're whisked away on some mission to break into what is essentially Draculas mansion, and by the end of the game all reality is at stake, and the entire CT cast died a tragic death.

I love Cross, but I can see where CT fans are coming from.

No.
Someone time-traveling to stop Hitler, for example, would not kill the whole 'original', or 'future' reality. It would just create a new, better reality. The people in the original reality would still exist as if nothing happened, as there is no way they could know because it is an alternate history. They just continue to live in the crappy reality they were born in, with no knowledge of any other reality, or the knowledge of whether or not another reality even exists to begin with. For all we know, there's a reality where someone killed Hitler before he caused any damage. When you think about it that way, you really are a meaningless existence. But in order for there to be meaningful existence, there must be the collaborative effort of many meaningless existences.
Such is life.

bumpin

>>686907
>Someone time-traveling to stop Hitler, for example, would not kill the whole 'original', or 'future' reality.

Nope, in the Chrono universe, timelines are terminated instead of branching.

>>686907
>Someone time-traveling to stop Hitler, for example, would not kill the whole 'original', or 'future' reality. It would just create a new, better reality.

Do you not remember what happened in Command & Conquer : Red Alert? Getting rid of Hitler didn't make things better, it actually made things worse and Stalin just took his spot.

>>686397
I don't treat Cross as a sequel to Trigger in the slightest, it's a horrible sequel but it's amazing as a standalone game

>>686907
>It would just create a new, better reality.

what makes you remotely think that anything would be better with +6million jews more around?

>>686960
It's a terrific sequel. In fact, it might be the best sequel ever. It pushes the envelope, builds a multi-layered concept on the humble groundwork of its predecessor, deconstructs your former heroes and, through the act of self-reflection of one of them, questions their very deeds. It's an evolution though and through - exactly what a sequel should be, not some lukewarm diarrhea CT 1.0000001 fanboys want.

>>687106
We could use them for fuel, they apparently leave next to no waste products when burned.

>>687217
>deconstructs

>>686580
smalltime

>>686201

Primer is a pretty cool movie.

Posted this yesterday, got no help. Can anyone help me fix these black lines? Tried a different emulator and plugin, messed with video configurations but they still stay there. I don't even know what's causing them.

>>686170
what would killing Lee Harvey Oswald accomplish? The US gov't would have to blame someone else?

>>687748
It'd reveal their conspiracy son.

>>687754
nah they'd just choose another person to scapegoat. Probably a minority.

The problem with Chrono Cross is that they had to throw Chrono Trigger under a boss to elevate itself.

>you know all these characters from Trigger? WELL THEY WERE ALL KILLED BY OUR SUPER AWESOME VILLAIN!
>SEE? WE'RE THE BETTER GAME! WITH A BETTER VILLAIN!

It's almost like a giant strawman that you build up and then knock down, as if to make yourself better.

>>687691
There should be filtering options that aim to remove black borders in any decent video plugin. If they didn't do it, have you tried a different ISO dump?

>>687778
Harder to pull off though, it'd be like stretching the conspiracy further.

I already said this in a previous thread and I'm saying it again.

Spoiler tagged because, hey, it may be a twenty year old game but it's still a pretty big spoiler:
That part where you have to save Lucca's mother from having her legs mangled in a machine

There is almost no one on Earth who wouldn't go back and change some horrible incident in their past if they had the opportunity. Lucca always blamed herself for that day. But... You don't use time travel for personal shit, that's like Time Travel 101. Do the words "father's day" mean anything to you?

>>687793
Nope, still haven't tried a different dump.

>>687854
They use time travel to feed some fat fuck ham, that's even worse

>>687864
That's my last suggestion. I've never had issues with smoothing out the black borders, so I can't give you any tips on it.

I've been using ePSXe and the P.E.Op. S./Pete's plugins for years. I've never bothered looking into others, since I have working systems and don't have to emulate often enough for it to matter.

>>687915
I tried both PEOPS and pete's. On EPSXE and PCSX-R, also just tried the disc 2 fro the same dump, same problem. Can't remember having a problem like this before.

>>687942
I assume you tried both the D3D and OGL plugins?

What about DirectX? (Assuming Windows) Is it up to date?

>>686048
didn't the girl in rhapsody destabilize the economy of two towns and doom another to be destroyed by volcano eruption all so she could get a date?

>>687987
d-don't call me a n-neckbeard

>>686206
>go back in time to change past
>wonder why the past got changed when you return to it
>blame Freeza

>>687986
Both of those make the lines go away but they have other graphical glitches that are even worse.
I'm still using DirectX 10.

>>688050
Is this because your video card only supports 10, or because it's been years since you've tried updating it?

Why the hell is this thread all about bitching about time travel rather than talking about how much of a dick Kirby is?

>Pretty much entirely motivated by food. Incredibly petty.
>Constantly screws stuff up with his "Swallow first, ask questions later" mindset.
>Looks any excuse whatsoever to beat the tar out of King Dedede
>Spares no prisoners

>>688057
I tried updating it recently, but I have a 8800GT, I'm pretty certain it does not support DX11.

>>688109
Do you have any settings on in the nvidia control panel that would interfere with the rendering, like anti-aliasing, or texture filtering? Try having them set on application controlled if possible.

Not much else I can think of, really.

>>688146
I don't think so. I tried to open the control pannel to check but it's crashing right now, no idea why, I'll try it again after I restart. hanks for the help!

>>688202
If your drivers are crashing you're going to need to clean them out and reinstall.

If they're messed up enough to crash, they're messed up enough to cause distortions like what you were seeing.

>>686067
Mario was the ultimate whiteknight.

>Bowser abducts Princess Peach, takes over her kingdom
>Mario goes from the real world to the Mushroom Kingdom
>rescues the princess

>>686513

>Cross expected its audience to mature with it

Cross was written by only 1 of the original 3 or 4 original writers for Trigger (Horii amongst them). If some people like Trigger but dislike Cross, it isn't related to maturity, but to preferences and tastes.
Also try going to /lit/ and explain them Cross is a worthy novel, go ahead.

>>688278
>/lit/

Judging from the other cesspool boards I bet they only read house of leaves, atlas shrugged and the great gatsby.

>>688310
no, they're pretenious fuck offs, but they do actually read a fair amount of good stuff.

>>688310
No, worse. Like James Joyce and Thomas Pynchon and shit. Basically all the drunken, barely comprehensible assholes of the 20th century.

>>686445
>Trigger is a children's picture book and Cross is a novel.

So Trigger is The Hobbit, and Cross is The Lord of the Rings?

>>686513
>C)Lufia, your childhood friend, DIES

You didn't see the ending, did you

>>686048
Whole thing falls apart because Lavos was still alive after the cataclysm. What were they going to do, ask him nicely not to eat them again?

>>688368
Cross is LotR is they forgot to include half of Twin Towers and rushed Return of the King in 70 pages.

>>688486
Sounds like Xenogears to me....

>Cloud Strife
>Fucking up established society
>hailed as a hero.

>>688693
Said society was on their way to extinction because they used fucking souls as fuel

>>686513
Why is Nami grinding on Batman?

>>687570

Oh come on, how many planets does Samus obliterate on purpose?

You're implying she's activating the self destruct mechanisms on purpose, and it's not just the tube pirate's last ditch efforts to try rid themselves of the goddamn bounty hunter.