/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6837372
Any scotllectathons with good mayor fights?

>>6837379
>scotllectathons
It's not going to catch on. Stop using your dumb phrase.

I remember enjoying Ape Escape 2 when I was younger. I always hear about 1 and 3 when the series is discussed. What everyone think of 2?

Spyro, Crash, Jak, and ofc Mario are all good ones, but you knew this already. Sonic Heroes is alright.

>>6837372
I always found them really comfy to play.

>>6837372
What's the one on the bottom left?

>>6837428
One of the Sly games.

>>6837428
Sly 2

>>6837372
The Niggsty4 had some of the most prolific hop'n'scots of ALL TIME. You had. TWO Banjo's. That's twice the bird fuckin bear buckin action all on one N'xty4. TWO Mario 64's. One with rumble, one without, for her pleasure. There was even a Yoshi's Island 64: Mario World 65 - although not a 3D scot'n'bop. Then there was the semi-erect ones such as Jetforcejimini3D, Earthworm Jimini 3D-64, Turok for you true DOOM Muderheads.

Dare I say it, was the N'xty4 THE quadraphonic platform for the 3D jump'n'run game?

>>6837372
Mario 64 is easily the best pure 3D platformer. Outside of that and Sunshine there isn't much worth playing in the genre. All of the common ones people mention (Banjo, Spyro, Jak, Sly, Crash, Rayman 2) usually have minimal platforming, and aren't very good games anyway

Ico's an amazing puzzle platformer

Was the 3rd Jumping Flash good? Never made it over to the West.

What are some 3D platformers that
>are japanese
>aren't sonic
>aren't jumping flash
>aren't nintendo
Seems like they just don't exist.

>>6837825
Mystical Ninja?

I find the gen 5 3dplatformers aged very badly. Don't think the tech was there until stuff like R&C and J&D

>>6837825
Ape Escape?

>>6837825
Banjo?

>>6837848
>are japanese

>>6837825
ninpen manmaru on saturn

>>6837853
Oh I'm an idiot I read that as 'arent japanese'

>>6837825
bubsy 3D

>>6837372
Mario > Ratchet and Clank > Banjo=Ape Escape > Sly=Jak=Spyro > Sonic

3D Corridor Platformers > 3D Sandbox Platformers

(((>>6838303)))
What a terrible opinion.

>>6837825

Mystical Ninja
Klonoa
Pac-man World
Super Magnetic Neo
Billy Hatcher

all I can think of off the top of my head

>>6838435
>Pac-man World
Excellent game, but check the credits. It's all westerners. The developer Namco Hometek is actually a US division of Namco.

https://pacman.fandom.com/wiki/Namco_Hometek

>>6838429
You know it to be true. Corridor is as close to 2D platformers as you can get but in 3D, making them far superior to the sandbox/collectathon type.

>>6838493
The Sandbox/collectathon 3D platformer is better than 2D platformers or corridor 3D Platformers.

>>6838493
You're fucking right anon. You will get a lot of people seething at you, but just know that you're right.

>>6838505
Fuck no faggot.

>>6838465
>6838465

oh fuggg, thanks anon I didn't know that.

>>6837458
>Jetforcejimini3D, Earthworm Jimini 3D
I don't have reaction images saved on this phone but you're one smug cunt arent'cha?

>>6837842
>3D platformers before R&C and J&D aged badly
But R&C and J&D are shit, and Mario 64 is godly

>>6838609
agree to disagree

>>6838493
This, but unironically

>>6837825
Blinx and Blinx 2

>>6838493
Now that I think about it, it sort of makes sense. What other corridor platformers are there?

>>6838493
>You know it to be true. Corridor is as close to 2D platformers as you can get but in 3D
Yes
>>6838493
>making them far superior to the sandbox/collectathon type.
No

What is the real reason 3D Platformers lost their luster? Some like to blame Donkey Kong 64 but I think the numerous amount of 3D Platformers during 6th gen disproves that.

What's the real reason?

>>6837412
1 is by far the best. The only one that's worth playing if you haven't really. 2 is OK but not as good as 1. 3 is just awful in every way. The best move is to play 1 and forget it had any sequels.

>>6840175
3D platformers only really existed to show off the existence of 3D spatial rendering. Unless you're really doing something unique with the physics or gameplay like the 3D Super Marios, 3D platformers get boring quickly.

>>6840175
They didn't entirely. When a polished modern 3D platformer comes out like Mario Odyssey / A Hat in Time / the Spyro/Crash remakes comes out they do very well. Psychonauts 2 looks like it's going to be successful as well.

The problem is that there was bubble in the 6th gen where everyone was putting out cash grab 3D platformers and the market became so saturated it crashed. Partially because of >>6840229. People say the genre is dead, but it isn't really DEAD dead. It's just no longer the go-to cash grab genre. And that's honestly probably a good thing. The amount of overall 3D platformers has gone down but the percentage of 3D platformers coming out that are actually good has gone up.

>>6840175
Most game genres that are HUGE now aren't that way because they're super fun, but great at keeping people playing. Some class-based lootbox multiplayer FPS isn't that fun moment to moment but it's amazing at player retention.

>>6837379
Fuck you you fucking nigger, 6th gen didn't kill this wretched board, you did, I hope you choke on your meal and die

>>6838303
At least post a good corridor platformer.

>>6837825
Bomberman 64, Bomberman 64 2nd attack, Bomberman Hero

>>6840459
Get that godawful Eurojank filth out of here. Rare were the only European developer that actually understood how to make great fun games.

>>6837372
I'm playing through Psychonauts right now and fuck the fish level, the boss fight is so fucking long for no reason, and walking around as slow giant lost it's novelty in 5 seconds, glad I'm finished with it. Also getting the levitation ball made the game atleast twice as good.

>>6840435
People like him spamming memes all day is why we needed the change so badly.

>>6837412
I played 2 some months ago after playing through 1. The soundtrack is a massive step down and a lot of the new gadgets aren't real fun to use. They give the monkey's a ton of personality in this one, with different costumes, more unique AI routines: they do a great job of conveying that you're really chasing them in this game though and that's probably it's biggest plus. Not terribly inspired but looks good for the most part, some great colors in the environments and a few nice set pieces. There's been a couple changes that make it feel good like the way the screen tilts as you run with the hoop, and the unique animations for when you've got a guaranteed catch from your net swing. Give it a try sometime, I 100%'d and honestly it's not a bad play, but it's definitely not 1.

>>6837825
Gex?
Mort the Chicken?
Jersey Devil?

>>6838493
>Corridor is as close to 2D platformers as you can get but in 3D
Then play a sidescroller? I never understood the appeal. I remember people talking about Crash like it was the Mario 64 killer, then when I finally played it, it was "Running Forward: The Game." I still don't understand the love for Crash. Spyro was much more memorable.

>>6840580
Will do. Thanks for answering.

The first Pac-Man World is one of my favorites that's somewhat underacknowledged. It's got some issues (fuck the bosses) but it's impressive how well it managed to incorporate Pac-Man's identity as a series while being a good 3D platformer.

>>6842707
Pac Man World 2 is kino, but the first game is jank as fuck. It did NOT age well.

>>6842717
Pac-Man felt much better to control but the level design always felt boring in comparison.

I also wish I could castrate all of you kinofags.

>>6842736
> the level design always felt boring in comparison.
???
2 actually had fully 3D levels. 1 was boring 2.5d garbage like Wario World and Super Mario 3D land. But without the soundtrack those games had.

>>6842717
this but reversed, Pac-Man World is fantastic but World 2 is a boring mess especially when you get to the underwater segments

>>6842926
Thats the best part of the game that and spooky world

>>6837372
>genre dedicated to doing simple repetitive tasks for useless collectibles
>good in the slightest

Low test

>>6838303
Only correct opinion itt, other than the guy calling OP low test.

>>6843797
>>6843805
Trash opinions and projection.


>>6840524
You're in for a good time - Psychonauts is a great experience.

>>6837412
Ape Escape 3 > 1 > 2
1 is such a basic bitch game, but that's the charm that allows it to hold up. You can just quickly breeze through it like Banjo Kazooie or Mario 64 and go about your day. It just has the best feel and flow with being able to go from monkey to monkey and stage to stage. 2 tries to evolve the formula with new weapons, more monkey types and villains, and side content. 2 does the best in terms of monkey names and funny unlockable pictures/comics, but that's about it. 1 has all these different locations around the world and across time, 3 has a bunch of levels based off different films and shit, meanwhile 2 just feels like whatever. Not to harp on about theming, but many of the levels don't get more developed than a one word trope, doesn't help a lot of them are dull looking muted open environments for most of the duration. 3 has the best balance in my opinion. Absolutely not upset in the slightest 3 scrapped the gadgets from 2 and stuck with what worked. The original cast of weapons are so fun to use, but the new ones in contrast involve a lot of stopping dead in your tracks and are often situational. The transformations in 3 spice things up more, at least you can get use out of them even if they're underutilized and can only be maintained for like 30 seconds at default. Minigames are all good, but Mesal Gear just puts this set above the rest. Not to mention how much other random stuff you can mess around with in the hub.

This game any good?

>>6842285
Although inferior to Mario 64 or any of Rare's 3D Platformers, Spyro is more enjoyable than Crash.

>>6840459
Based Hugo poster

>>6840229
I agree. Going back to play stuff like Spyro and Crash after experiencing the evolution of 3d gaming is really jarring. That stuff is extremely barebones and not worth revisiting outside of music and art.

>>6846051
That's because you played Spyro and Crash.

There's other 3D Platformers of 5th gen that are way better and still hold up well today.

>>6844854
it's pretty good

>>6846482
None of it holds up nearly as well as the 2d stuff does though, that's the point.

Ahem.

I'm going to drop this off here. Enjoy

>>6846670
That's not true. Lots of games in the 3D Platformer genre hold up well - 2D Platformers are often simplistic from the beginning and are meant to be replayed for that arcade experiences.
Many 3D Platformers were a chance for devs to try different things and take players on a bigger adventure for more meaty experiences.

>>6842717
You are out of your fucking mind, the first one is great.

>>6845956
I'd rank it as Crash >>>>> Spyro > Mario 64 >>>> dog shit >>>>>> Rare's 3D platformers

>>6837842
What does this "aged badly" even mean? I've recently played several 3D Platformers and they're still high quality games - Especially compared to the stuff of 7th gen and 8th gen.

>>6847393
You're coming down with a hard case of fanboyism. Get over yourself and acknowledge games from systems you don't like can be good.

>>6847393
swap spyro with mario 64 and you're golden

>>6838303
I wish it didn't take Sonic 'til Unleashed to figure this out. If you're going to focus on speed why not give the fucker a racetrack instead of a parking lot?

>>6838429
Except Miyamoto literally agreed.

>>6847545
Irony.

>>6840459

>>6837842
Computer code isn't fucking milk.

>>6847691
This.

If rumors are true, we'll be returning to parking lot gameplay soon. Unfortunate.

>>6840459
tfw unironically played this almost as much as crash when i was a kid

>>6848725
Guille > Hugo >>>>>>>>> Crash

>>6846051
I feel this - Crash 1 is ESPECIALLY rough to try and play today. 2 and 3 are better, but are pretty linear and simple. I find experimental 3D platformers like SM64 and SA much more enjoyable.

>>6840493
>Britbongs
>European

>ignoring that Traveller's Tales exists
Silence, filth

>>6840265
I'd agree with this. Scotlectaformers are a great genre, but like everything else they suck when done as a cash grab, like ww2 shooters did. It just so happened that people ended up preferring other genres and that's where the attention shifted. My guess is because other genres like shooters are better suited for multiplayer which gets one type of gamer addicted, and RPGs are better suited for getting a different type of player addicted.

>>6843797
ok jarpig

>>6847785
Source? Then why did he make exploration platformers instead?

>>6851312
he went back to making linear action-scotformers with the New Super Mario series, though

>>6850221
>>6851329
>Scotlectaformers
>Scotformers
You need to stop that.

>>6842707
the pirate ship boss was fun

The Pac-Man 3D platformers. Just in general. They’re all great with one exception.
My ranking: World 2>World 1>GA2>Roll>GA1>World 3

Having the entire moveset available from the start > Unlocking moves throughout the game

>>6852276
Aw cool, someone else liked Ghostly Adventures.

for me, it's ratchet and clank

>>6837862
This looks really cool. Like if the Sonic Jam hub world was a full game. Gonna have to give it a shot, thanks anon.

>>6837372
Banjo-Kazooie is the greatest 3D platformer of all time. Banjo-Tooie's worlds are too big and there's too much backtracking.

Any recs for more obscure stuff on PS2? Already played the big sony exclusives and pacman world 2.

>>6853218
Try Goemon: Bouken Jidai Katsugeki if you liked Mystical Ninja on N64.

>>6853218
I-Ninja

>>6837372

>>6853218
Kao the Kangaroo Round 2

>>6853218
Evil Twin

>>6853218
You might be interested in this:

https://www.technobuffalo.com/ode-to-the-forgotten-platforming-stars-of-the-fifth-console-generation

>>6853218
ChainDive if you want more 2.5D sidescrolling action.

>>6846679

Am I the only one that played 40 Winks?

>>6837372

For me, it's MDK

>>6856501
Did it sucks?

This game is a 3D Platformer and there's nothing you can do to dispute me.

>>6856886
playing it right now, it's crazy how modern it feels. Quick levels with set pieces every few minutes. Very Uncharted in that way.

>>6837372
What do you guys think about movement and jumping in 3D plataformers? In my opinion most plataformers don't really go that far on what can be done with a moveset and most plataformers just have abilities that rely on context instead of being usable everywhere.

>>6837412
>but you knew this already
no i didn't. i've never played Spyro, it's been too long since i playes Crash and the only Jak & Daxter game I've ever played was the racing one.
Which of these series are better? where should i start?

>>6860002
spyro is like popcorn. they're mindless collectathons with great music and comfy graphics. don't expect to be challenged in any way, but if you enjoy the aesthetic the trilogy will keep you busy for 20-30 hours. you can start anywhere, but may as well jump into 1 and see if you enjoy it. music is similar in some ways to ape escape, very beat heavy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YugVp-5y2OU

>>6860030
top tier tune

>>6860030
Spyro + R&C is so fucking good. I pray for the reality in which insomniac can come back to Spyro now that Skylanders is dead.

>>6837372
I remember getting Croc 1 and 2, never did get around to playing the first one past a few levels, don't think I even played 2.

Loaded up RARE Replay again, finally beat Furnace Fun in Banjo-Kazooie. Playing Blast Corps and a few others before Banjo Tooie and Conker's, looking forward to them.
Also started Yooka-Laylee and I feel it's better than Banjo.

>>6860078
I don't mean to be OLD GOOD NEW BAD but I much prefer the old washed out gradient aesthetic to reignited's pixar visuals. We could at least get some new music.

I really enjoy Ratchet and Clank, the first game I mean. I enjoy the rest of the series as well. But the first game is a 3D platformer with weapons as the gimmick while every game from the second onward has been a third person shooter with platforming elements. The first game also has the strongest 50s/60s B scifi movie kind of feel. From the tech design, the enemies (You could pop any of them into an episode of the original Lost in Space and they'd fit right in), to the menus looking like CRTs, the music, the sound effects, etc. Elements of that feel are still in the series today but the first game was when it was at its strongest I think. That said I don't think the games have gotten worse or anything because this element has gotten weaker or anything. Just less appealing to my taste. Also love that if I buy a weapon and don't like how it plays I don't feel obligated to use it because to do otherwise would be a waste of XP or whatever.

>>6856393
>https://www.technobuffalo.com/ode-to-the-forgotten-platforming-stars-of-the-fifth-console-generation
>Haven Call of the King

Isn't that a secret Christian game?

>>6860078
The only way that would happen is if Sony sold off Insomniac and then Activision-Blizzard bought them up.

>>6860348
How so?

>>6860360
Look it up, game ends on Bibble quotes.

>>6859907
So is this.

>>6860407
I recently beat Tomb Raider Legend, pretty fun game with a bit of platforming.

>>6860537
legend is trash, barely comparable to the PS1 games

>>6847691
>I wish it didn't take Sonic 'til Unleashed to figure this out.
Sonic has been doing level design like that arguably since SA2.
Only SA1 and 06 stand out as having more relatively open level design.

>>6858420

It definitely didn't age as well as I thought it would, but I feel like there might be something worth going back to if you can find a rom of it.