/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING PROJECT ===

2048 Units of /vr/
-New submissions are now closed, currently in second beta phase.
Link to BETA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7sv89hpzasmrnj/2048unitsvrBETA2.zip?dl=1
2048GUNS.wad v2: https://files.catbox.moe/lobpqv.wad

=== NEWS ===

[8-26] 1995 Pre-Release Beta of Strife has been leaked:
>>6763327
https://mega.nz/file/LsV2TS7K#a4QzlfGK1I0EzLssVbaDGKaF2zPy2nNW-O-YDqthZ3I

[8-24] Solace Dreams is being remade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GAN18GNyNk&feature=youtu.be

[8-18] A small hotfix for GMOTA that fixes that issue of Zandronum crashing online when players take crushing damage
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/gmota

[8-17] NRFTL designer TheCastle will release the non-Brutal Doom version of Redemeption of the Slain on 21st August
https://discussions.app/tag/blog/yvnjcoyoas63/days-until-redemption-of-the-slain-doom-episode-release/yvnjcoyoas63

[8-17] Woof! 2.1.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/112333-this-is-woof-210-aug-17-2020-updated-winmbf/?page=7&tab=comments#comment-2173929

[8-16] Astrostein Death Before Dishonor & Macenwolf update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/macenwolf/news/macenwolf-103-astrostein-death-before-dishonor

[8-16] Arcade version of Quake is playable on PC
http://quakearcadetournament.blogspot.com/

[8-15] DOOM II: Resurrected - A DOOM II Remake
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116075-doom-ii-resurrected-a-doom-ii-remake/

[8-15] ROTTEXPR, a source port for Rise of the Triad was released
https://github.com/LTCHIPS/rottexpr

[8-13] BTSX E2 no longer in beta; available for bethesda/console ports
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2172295
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1293934149628289027?s=20

[8-11] Boomer Con
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S71Gib5Hdo

[8-11] KMQuake gets updates
http://www.markshan.com/knightmare/

[8-11] Reelism 2 v0.5 Early Excess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKynvrDxqmk

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>>6766641
also fireblu

>>6766503 (You)
I looked upon this HUD and realised I like it way more than Quake's default one.

I've looked it up and it appears that Quakespasm has its HUD hardcoded, while QS Spiked has limited support of something called "CSQC" specifically for HUD mods.

However I can't find any CSQC HUD mods, can anyone link some to me? Preferable the ones like in pic above, with elements shoved to the corners of the screen instead of centre.

>>6766641
from the makers of caco-cola

>>6766632
Trying to install spearMPixSod mod (21 levels) on Steam Spear of Destiny. following these instructions but still getting standard SoD first level when it loads. Any ideas what the problem could be?
>- go to your Spear Of Destiny directory
>- rename maphead.sod and gamemaps.sod (for example to maphead.old and
gamemaps.old)
>- copy the maphead.sod and gamemaps.sod which were part of this zipfile to
your Spear Of Destiny directory

>>6766632
>>6766635
STRIFE is very misleading. I didn't realize there were multiple endings and that suspecting your rebellion of being evil is the only way it's actually true

>>6762390
I'm famous

>>6766632
Whats a good megawad that doesn't start expecting me to be good at the game by the second half?

>>6766821
c-c-c-can I have your autograph?

>>6766838
check your inbox

>>6766826
Chex Quest I suppose?

>>6766635
I can't get over the amount of people defending Nightdive for taking the original link down and saying it's a matter of copyright

>still no pictures of a full 360 monitor Doom setup
Why are ludicrous curved widescreen monitors so expensive? I wanna do this.

>>6766873
It's not even their product, it's an unfinished and janky pre-release demo which is missing more than 2/3rds of the game's content. If you wanted to play Strife, it would be one of the worst options.

Fucking Kaiser.

Is there any collection of disk images of the Gamer's Edge floppies anywhere? I can find some of the individual games, but I'm interested in copies of the actual floppies. I realize this isn't necessarily retro "fps" (though a few of them are), but I'd imagine if anyone on this board is likely to know it would be the people in the Doom thread.

what do I use nowadays to play Duke/Blood maps? eduke?

Daily reminder Half Life fags.
>>6766693

>>6767269
Reminder of your personal preference? Uh, cool...?

>>6767301
Imagine defending linear level design.

Report and ignore all ALF and his cronies posts on sight

>>6766050
Continuing from yesterday but does someone has any clues about this berserk skin? i found even a Iron Maiden one which is nsfw and a unfinished shotgun soldier.
the shading and reskin looks Q3Aish style

>>6767305
Dark Forces II is better than Movie Life and you know it.

>>6767304
Half-Life has multiple points where you can do things in different order. The office has multiple exits. The silo has multiple objectives you can do in any order (not much different than clearing rooms in different order in Doom). Xen has an alternate passage where you don't need to alert the guards. This is just plain wrong.

Why cacos are so popular?

>>6767321
Two assholes.

>>6767312
Don't give him (you) ignore and report, he's now trying to force people to hate Origin SS and Ultima Underworld as he's trying with quake sequels and HL.

>>6767321
They and Pain elementals are cure dweebs

>>6767324
It's one asshole moving at incredibly fast speed.

>>6767312
Moving from set-piece to set-piece is not good level design.
Probably you never played Dark Forces.

>>6767328
>Don't give him (you) ignore and report
While he seems like a turd, I just don't know if he's breaking any rule. If nothing else, it's good to remind other people why he's wrong, even if he doesn't take the lessons to heart himself.

What bugs me about Half-Life is not the linear level design, but the fucking grenade physics. What is wrong with them? It's like you're throwing them underwater. Was it that hard to go and make a proper, fun-to-use grenades?

>>6767352
It's a objectively bad game that's why.

>>6767338
hehe snarky

>>6767359
hehe halfzoomer

>>6767352
If I had to guess, they wanted to make them more predictable than Quake's Superball ogre grenades, but went too far in the opposite direction.

>>6767352
They're a little too prone to player movement, yeah. I wish you could overhand pitch them with real force, rather than Gordon's softball underhand.

So we all agree HL sucks right?.

>>6767352
Grenades may suck, but I've gotten the hang of satchels. You just need to leap at your target and let them go. Extremely satisfying blast radius and damage. I only wish they gave you more of them.

>>6767370
Even if they flew like softball underhand, it would've been fine. No, they're flying like they're in slo-mo, or they're balloons. It's weird.

>>6767376

Nay

>>6767405
see>>6767337

>>6767376
I wouldn't say it sucks, but it has a lot of really bad levels. Opposing Force and Blue Shift are both much better.

>>6767407
Opp For and Blue Shift suck too.

>Alf and his fellating circlejerking friends from Q1 Community discord are shitting up this thread once again looking for (you)
This general is dead

>>6767412
Cope the retro fps community hates your game.

>>6767412
Hey we were at least able to knock out a community project during this. Could've been much worse

>>6767407
>>6767405
Keep those (You)'s coming, with each I become stronger and stronger! Soon the reign of shitposting will be upon us!

>>6767312
>badly scripted
>awful gunplay
>awful movement

Cope

>>6767412
>this hateful little imp has friends

>>6767427
not alone see>>6767424

>>6767415
This thread IS the retro FPS community. And everyone has been arguing with you.

>>6767424
Not a single thing you listed argues the point of that post.

>>6767412
You are just as schizo as he is.

Feels good to be a Dark Forces II chad.

>>6767436
Please don't lower my opinion of that game by making me associate it with you.

>>6767440
It should have been the industry standard but valve fags like you fucked it up.

>>6767435
Beep, you and alf fucks each other.

>>6767449
It's exactly the same as Half-Life. Or was that the joke? That "of course Star Wars is a movie game?"

>>6767454
No it was non linear and has more verticality.

>>6767451
What?

For me it's the hentai mod for Catacombs3D, Catacoom3R.

>>6767457
So... Half-Life?

>>6767467
no

The new levels in Doom 64 are fucking great

>>6767469
>nonlinearity
>verticallity
That's Half-Life.

>>6767470
Did the retail release add levels?

>>6767472
That's one level.

>>6767483
Is it?

>>6767493
You do realize that you are playing chess with a pigeon?

Again you didn't play DF2.

>>6767482
Yes. 6 new levels.

>>6766873
>wojak

>>6767256
If you want an all-in-one, BuildGDX.

new trailer for prodeus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclxsLRVa2A
fake/vr/ but posting because i find it preferable to the current conversation.

>>6767572
Looks alright, nice with a level editor. But I hate all the particles and shit they throw around, can't see shit.

>>6767572
Really not a fan of the visual style of this game. It's trying to do too many disparate things.

When's Golden Souls 3?

>>6767586
They showed there will be options to reduce or disable many effects. Hopefully that includes the silly helmet HUD.

>>6767586
It does look very inconsistent with the level of fidelity they're going for. Mixing chunky pixelated enemies with high-res level geometry and whatnot. At least the monsters and weapons don't seem to be just directly lifted from Doom, now.

>>6767572
Looks like shit. Pixelated graphics never mix well with smooth effects.

>>6767417
This.

It's honestly sad that people still respond him. Unless is only he fighting himself big schizo style

>>6767640
Compare Half Life to Thief and Dark Forces 2 and tell me the game deserves all it's praise again.

>>6766632
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>>6767525
Any other FPS that feel as good as DF2? I played the shit out of the demo as a kid, eventually picking it up and beating it as an adult many years later.

>>6767615
What about pixelated graphics with pixelated effects?

>>6767650
The game deserves all its praise. Your angst doesn't even factor.

>>6767572
Not a fan of the whole nudoom/Brutal doom bfg division aesthethic, its fucking overdone, do something original for once. All those particle effects make it difficult to see any shit, plain bad design, style over substance. The only saving grace could be the editor, but that depends on the gameplay

>>6767615
this is the digital equivalent of diarrhea

>>6767708
game?

>>6766632
Based Strife OP

>>6767724
Project Warlock, would highly recommend.

>>6767708
The lighting model here really clashes with the rest of the visual style and makes it look cheap and non-cohesive. You really have to commit to your style if you're going to do something like this and have it actually look good, and nobody does.

>>6766635
The RAVEN Midi Pack project for Heretic has been finished, adding new music to replace reused songs in the later episodes.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114080-raven-midi-pack-project-complete/

>>6767708
WTF IS HAPPENING

>>6767678
I was wondering when someone would notice that.

>>6767708
the fog is retarded, something like reshade's cga shader would be nice

>>6767784
>>6767743
If the lighting was affected by the palette it would look better imo, it's not like colour banding would make that game look any worse.

>>6767743
It's a probably a unity thing.

>>6767708
No. That looks bad too.

>>6767758
nice

>>6767572
Jesus Christ, it tries to be Brutal Doom with Doom 2016 aesthetics so hard it's sad.

>>6767850
Based. Post an example of a game you think looks good.

>>6767572
The thing with this doom clones is, what are they trying to do? remaking Doom I and II ? impossible. Remaking nuDoom, ok you will make shit tier games.

Even Serious Sam: The first encounter is a doom clone at some point and is also a fantastic game.

This people thinks that doom = hi tech base in space filled with monsters and metal music. Do they even play doom?

Why do they keep trying this formula?

>>6767897
Any of the actual retro games that people care about.
Mixing modern lighting and effects with basic flat walls and particles is always a recipe for disaster. There's no cohesion.

>>6767902
>Why do they keep trying this formula?
Because everyone else is doing it.

>>6767897
wrath

>>6767902
What aggravates me more are roguelike retro shooters. As if the entire strength of this style of game doesn't rest on meticulously designed levels.

>>6767937
This is the worst by far. You can use a roguelike style of procedurally generated levels for something like Diablo, but for something like Doom, it will just murder the game.
>Hey, this throwback game looks like it could be kinda go- oh it doesn't have level design, nevermind.

>>6767897
Amid Evil.

>>6767903
so all quake games now have no cohesion?

>>6767971
Based retard.

I'm on the index finger of E3M2 and the wall closed behind me, been humping walls for a while to get out.. Never happened before. Am I stuck?

>>6768003
use noclip

>>6768003
nigga there's a button behind you stand in the fireblu pits or the triangle on the floor if its not open

>>6768012

Well shit, thanks, it looked like this though kind of just pressed use on it and it worked

What is the best Doom 1 track and why is it E2M3's?

If you think Prodeus or Project Warlock are ugly, look at Post Void. Thats a whole new level of faux-retro eye rape.

>>6766873
Nightdive is dumb
Kaiser is overrated
Kex can't do build engine, so it's garbage too

>>6768063
>Post Void
I kinda like it, they want all out instead of half assing it. but the gameplay looks like trash

>>6768063
Post Void might be every single trope of retro revival shooters that I hate in one neat package. Eye rape, crouch slide move, randomly generated Wolfenstein-tier levels that look worse than SLIGE shovelware, and upgrades.

>>6767975
> modern lighting
check
> particles
check

youre the one who made those rules up

>>6768092
Quake isn't a sprite game.
Based retard.

>>6768096
> ad hoc

>>6768084
>and upgrades.

>>6768112
>>6768092
Idk how can you look at shit like these games then look at Quake and think they have the same level of artstyle cohesion.

>>6768092
>> modern lighting
>check
Ah yes, cutting edge modern lighting techniques like low resolution non-coloured lightmaps, and gouraud shaded models all rendered in palletted/colour mapped glory.

These general threads are so retarded and pointless, why not just start a chat room you lazy spergs?

>>6768117
Not every modern game needs an upgrade system. I suppose it's unfair in this case since it's a roguelike but like I said here >>6767937 I just hate this style of game. Missed opportunity to put actual effort into the game.

>near the end of a level
>Strafe off a ledge you're not supposed to be able to get off
>Into lava pit with no exit

Reeeeeee. I don't want to play the level again. Fucking have an exit reeeeee

>>6768127
>report obvious alf spam
>get issued a warning by the jannies for abuse
Troonworld isn't looking too bad right now I've gotta say

>>6768127
Would you rather a thread for every individual FPS game? Cus if you want we could have 10 constant individual threads? Or you could shut the fuck up and let retro FPS #47294 thread stay and move along BIIIIITCH

>>6768128
technically we've had upgrades in shooters from the very start
what purpose does the pistol serve once you get the machinegun in wolf3d?
and backpack is a permanent ammo upgrade

>>6768142
Gonna add this one to my cringe compilation and reiterate that you spergs should just start a chat room

>>6768127
Because this is a message board? You can come back to it passively and reply making long term discussion easier. It’s a different format than a chat room but is still for discussion

>>6768147
>and backpack is a permanent ammo upgrade
Permanent (for one level).

Man, fuck pointers, but ZScript can really make one's life easier if one knows their way around it.
Two mods reworked to less than half of lines of code AND I could get rid of ACS scripts for those mods completely.

>>6768149
Do you always ask effeminate and sarcastic rhetorical questions or just when someone tells you to post this crap in a chat room?

>>6768124
basic formula hasn't changed
static and dynamic light entities with falloff, as opposed to uniformly lit sectors

>>6768151
???
backpack doesn't work like berserk and disappear between levels

>>6768154
You entered this thread you double cock sucker, if you don't like it then fuck off.

>>6768151
>For one level
Do you really want to be this fucking pedantic when DOOM increased that to the entire Episode for good reason?

>>6768158
Based retard.

>>6768165
you retards don’t even post about the games, you just shoot the shit and then beg people to play your maps

>>6768147
I suppose so. Doom kind of avoids that through more distinct weapons and more temporary powerups. Post Void isn't the best example (I haven't played it so I'm talking out of my ass) but it seems to have BoI style upgrades that fundamentally change your character. What I hate most are upgrade trees that just add more useless abilities or minor stat upgrades. I'll stop blogposting about this now.

>>6768176
>you retards don’t even post about the games, you just shoot the shit
Pot, kettle.

>>6768196
Lmao why would I participate in such a stupid thread that belongs in a chat room instead?

>>6768201
I don't know, why are you?

nice job taking the bait retards.

does anyone know some good mapsets that i could take advantage of the special mechanics from High Noon Drifter in, like the slide?

>>6768201
Final you just because I appreciate the irony that you are still nonetheless participating just as passively as I am by replying.

>>6768206
This isn’t participating you fucking retard, this thread is the worst thing on the board, even worse than the moron who posts scat when the mods delete his threads.

>>6768201
What separates 4chan from a chat room in your mind? What can they do there that we can't do here? Nigger, this is already social media. Why would anybody need to vacate this place for your asinine shit?

>>6768216
>noooooo you can’t say my pointless hangout jerkoff thread is pointless!

>>6768218
You are on a video games board. Of course what we're doing is pointless.

>Doomguy is supposed to still have his v-card according to Carmack
>but all WADs are canon including HDoom
Explain this shit

>>6768225
Alright, since you’re pretending to misunderstand what I’m saying, I’m going to say it clearer: this thread is profoundly more pointless than any other thread in the catalog.

>>6766670
What map is this?

>>6768208
Nuts
>>6768228
Haven't played it but don't evangicals act like anal doesn't count? You could argue he's using the wrong hole if it isn't particularly clear.

>>6768225
Alright, since you’re pretending to misunderstand what I’m saying, I’m going to say it clearer: I am profoundly more retarded than any other poster in the thread, don't reply to my bait anymore.

>>6768237
Pretty sure HDoom allows the right hole, considering it adds female demons. But creative answer.

>>6768238
>I can’t handle being criticized so I’m going to throw a tantrum about it instead
You’re wise beyond your years :^)

>>6768249
lmao why are you responding to yourself

>>6768263
lmao why are you responding to yourself

>>6768263
>>6768267
Nigger tier behavior that one would expect from such a dogshit “general thread”

>>6768275
samefag

>>6768279
Go figure the worst thread on the board is full of stinky zoombie diaper babies

>>6768228
What the morbid fuck is this? Is this a WAD? Where can I find it?

Holy shit go to a doctor, this isn't healthy.

is this some really fucking lame raid or something

>>6768283
Based oldguy

Stupid whiny diaper baby zoomers have to call the janitor to clean up someone’s criticism, aww, poor diaper baby retards!

Fuck zoomlife

>>6768228
prosthetic penis

>>6768307
http://impse.cx/?page=story[/ spoiler]
Learn the lore

>>6768228
If you fuck a dog you're still a virgin.
If you fuck a sheep you're still a virgin.

Same thing but with demons.

What are the minimum PC specs you can get away with for 144hz/fps 1080p gzdoom?
Crazy how this is a retro thread.

>>6768334
What about necrophiliacs and zombie(wo)men?

>>6767407
Was Blue Shift actually better than the base game? I remember hearing it get plenty of shit. Been ages since I played it, but it didn't leave much of an impression either.

>>6768334
>If you fuck a dog you're still a virgin.
>If you fuck a sheep you're still a virgin.
[citation needed]

>>6768337
Could always try LZDoom, I've heard that runs better. It's aggrevating how bloated GZDoom has become now, but it's less of a sourceport and more of a bastard child of Unity, people are treating it more as a games development platform now.

Diaper baby zoombies can’t handle criticism, wah wah wah wahhh! Uh oh, better call the janny to clean up all the mean people!

>>6768346
[Insert regional based insult preferably targeting the Welsh or a predominantly Muslim country]

>>6768342
No HL game is good.

>>6768356
Is this the Romero head that came with the Sigil box?

Just ban non id fps games.

>>6768369
This. But just in general, everywhere. The only games anyone should be allowed to play are those released by id prior to November 18, 2010.

>>6768228
You don't HAVE to fuck the monsters in Doom

>>6768364
No, this was something far older

>>6768369
but build

>>6768376
garbage

>>6768350
Based oldguy

>>6768331
Thanks, I can actually see it happening to a man stuck alone in actual hell.

FUCK HALF-LIFE AND FUCK ZOOMERS

>>6767903
You didn't name a game.

>>6768342
It's shorter, but more refined, and isn't loaded with drawn out filler levels. It holds up much better on replays than vanilla hl.

>>6768423
Blood
Duke
Shadow Warrior
Doom

"Duke it out in DC" is pretty good. There, I said it.

>>6768426
cringe

Half-Life is not retro

>>6768429
>blood
Good aesthetic
>duke
>shadow warrior
Beyond shit-tier
>doom
KDITD is great, everything else is shit and or rehashed.

>>6768429
All garbage except Doom.

Still testing how to efficiently create sprite artwork from renderings.

>>6768440
>duke
>Beyond shit-tier aesthetic
I just can't take you seriously.

>>6768446
If you're trying to mesh with existing sprite work, paint overs might be necessary.

>>6767709
What valve boots taste like?

>>6768443
Still better than this new faux-retro shit coming out.

>>6768459
Tastes like all the lesser games they stepped on to reach number 1.

>>6767902
i have faith in this game solely because dragonfly is designing the maps.

>>6768469
Usually speedmaps Prodeus here

https://www.twitch.tv/dragonflyos

>>6768451
Duke is reddit humor incarnate. Doesn't get more cringe than that.

>>6768501
God forbid you enjoy yourself ever, lest you be called "reddit" by some random fag in an Indonesian curtain knitting board.

>>6768451
"Creepy sexist killing boring aliens" isn't exactly my idea of a good aesthetic

Other retro fps suck deal with it.

>>6768460
>old good new bad
Based. Finally someone brave enough to say it.

>>6768501
>>6768509
I want to love react your both comments UwU

>>6768514
I can't believe it's never come up before now.

>Mod has weapons that shoot as fast as you can press the trigger button
>map has loads of enemies
i will get carpal tunnel from this wont i?

>>6768518
>carpal tunnel
You mean RSI (repetitive strain injury). For some reason, gamers insist on improperly using the term.

>>6766635
2048GUNS: DeHackEd Edition. Version 3, probably final.
https://mega.nz/file/PuAkwKZA#I6FQuDJePhC2C-IsJMai8LMOEyy7D5XH3lIYO3Q4Xgk
weapon fixes, new sounds, arch-vile fire is no longer green, other changes in the about file. This will be the last update unless the plasma gun broke again. Enjoy

has anyone played the "slaughterfest" wads?

i'm play 2012 right now, it's crazy. 7000 enemy ribbiks map for map 30, and a friend made the randomized map 31 lol

>>6768549
>pumping a break action double barrel shotgun
what did he meme by this???

>>6768549
great, i'll check again later tonight, i really appreciate that you did this for me and everyone else in prboom etc. i enjoyed it last time and indeed noticed timings were off, but i thought they were off in the other direction lol

>>6768556
recoil dummy

>>6768550
slowly making my way through it along with several other wads. think i'm on map 6 or 7.

>>6768560
>gun fires
>recoils slightly back and the resets forward
>suddenly flies up to the left as the user flamboyantly swings the gun to the side, racking the non-functional forend before manually ejecting and inserting two new shells
I don't get it.

>>6768570
he doesn't rack anything. he fires and swings the gun back to flip the front open. i don't think you're supposed to think too hard about it.

>>6768514
Not entirely. Ion Fury looks cohesive enough.

What are some good videos or write-ups on level design? The editors seem straightforward enough, but making things interesting is another story. Didn't see anything in the OP besides tutorials for the editors themselves.

>>6768592
There's basically no writing on level design that is actually worthwhile. Best advice I can give is look at levels you like and try to "dissect" them to see why they work, and then try to put what you've learned in to practice.

>>6768549
Very nice! Thanks for fixing the rocket launcher, this version seems very polished.

>>6768592
This helped me in putting more thought into which monsters to use where:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/73964-essayarticle-monster-placement/

>>6768592
the best and most challenging/satisfying maps have designs that are influenced by the enemy mechanics. so try to create interesting situations with enemy combinations and map layout. i've never made a map but i'd imagine there's a lot to juggle when creating a great map. many things to keep in mind so everything is nicely balanced. luckily, most meta stuff is balanced (enemy movement, gun timing and so on). it's at that point you just learn the game on a really deep level.

>>6768592
Do the opposite of Half-Life

>>6768687
show me

>>6768685
what game is this?

>>6768592
Do the same as Half Life.
Doom clones are garbage.

>>6768703
chuu~ insane carnival

>>6768746
No, I don't think it is.

>>6768703
Kiss: Psycho Circus: The Nightmare Child
He posted it last thread but he's doing that epic thing where you post enticing screenshots without saying what game it is.

>>6768746
I love this period of 3d models where all the shading had to be done in the texture itself. People complain about how shitty 90s 3d looked, but the problem is theyre playing games that lacked good pixel artists. Like Goldeneye or Tomb Raider.

>>6768462
off yourself

>>6767493
>>6767472
garbage levels, try again.

>>6768640
Honestly, that's a pretty damn good piece of advice for multiple reasons. Keeping yourself in the player's shoes by experiencing maps first hand, exploring what elements you do and don't like, figuring how an author pulled off a specific trap etc.

>>6768658
I'm about halfway through and it's a great read so far. Thanks, anon.

>>6768660
Noticed that a lot playing through some megawads. The situations that really stuck out weren't really mowing down crowds, but facing a challenging room with a relatively low amount of enemies. Maybe it starts with an encounter idea and the layout builds itself from there.

>>6766632
BASED Strife. As a kid I only had access to the demo, but I recently played through the full game and freaking loved it. They stretched that old Doom engine amazingly far.

>>6768842
shit game

>>6768846
ok bud

>>6766632
>>6766635
Alright everyone, here's the what can be considered the final version of 2048 Units of /vr/! Unless anything significant or gamebreaking is discovered soon, i'd say it's safe to say we can finally say this thing is finally complete.
A few changes were made since BETA2:
-All known softlocks and HOMs have been taken care of
-Every map in the main megawad has difficulty options now
-New startup demos have been recorded
-The correct version of Sewers (MAP10) has been added
-A new credits graphic has been added
-Pistol sound and shotgun graphics have been restored to their Doom II defaults (2048 Guns uses the shotgun sprite now)
-Maps 15, 31, and 32 now work in Eternity Engine
-Unkillable imp has been removed from MAP01

Here's the link for the megawad and the extra maps: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gkp6kki86pnplj9/2048unitsvr.zip?dl=1
Here's both 2048GUNS and the brightmaps: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l51hgsqhcg2v99e/2048GUNS.zip?dl=1

and it's over.
bye bye for now ;)

>>6768886
Very nice. Minor issue, the midi in map24 is still messed up in PrBoom's Portmidi. Some instruments are way to quiet, maybe find another midi rendition of Head Like a Hole or use the old one, it was goofy but it fit the map imo.

>>6768151
Backpack isn't only for one level. There's a reason why some modern megawads don't place them in their earlier levels now.

>>6768886
The /vr/ in the credits pic looks like /vp/. Outside of that, excellent work to everyone who contributed.

>>6768918
Do people actually like ammo conservation stuff in Doom map design? I get that it forces you to take responsibility for stupidly wasting ammo but I just wanna blast the demons I cant be counting and shit

>>6768925
I tried to edit it to be a lowercase r, but I guess the effect didn't really work out.

>>6768918
Is that really a thing? Why the fuck did they plop that much ammo down in the first place then? You're just going to end up brushing up against an encounter that you just don't have the resources to deal with and then you have to either A) Dangerously run around an unfamiliar area where there might not even be ammo pickups or even more fuckery or B) Run back like a mongoloid to pick up the crumbs you left on the floor possibly rooms back
I could maybe understand them not wanting you to hoard cell ammo or rockets (which admittedly I do a bit too much for my own good) but they could then just design the enemy encounters to make you want to dump that particular weapons ammo supply into the appropriate cunts that are more of a hassle otherwise. Seems more like a problem they created themselves than the power up itself.

>>6768804
Kiss Psycho Circus The Nightmare Child

>>6768935
That's okay, I didn't even bother with lowercase for the titlepic.

>>6768886
A big thanks to everyone who contributed!

Out of the projects I've contributed to under other names (100 mins of /vr/, DUMP 2 and 3) this was my favourite and I think the best overall.

Someone should post it on Doomworld to see if they can pick up any small things we missed before it gets finalised on /idgames.

>>6768916
>or use the old one
The old one had playback issues.

>>6768942
I'll be posting it on doomworld tomorrow morning. As for /idgames, it usually takes awhile for stuff to get accepted onto there, but I'll notify the thread when that happens too.

>>6768886
Congratulations to all the mappers and organizers for finally getting this thing finished. Not to rush past things but I'm seriously looking forward to contributing to the next one, whatever the gimmick may be.

>>6766635
I'm gonna find a new midi for MAP24, hopefully I find one that actually fucking works, I've sadly had 3 in a row that didn't work for some weird reason. PortMidi's a bitch tell you what.

>>6768584
>confusing layouts
>awful enemy placement
>awful gunplay

nope

Playthrough video of map33 of 300 minutes of /vr/ is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2sUt4c1DNs
>>6768886
Nice! I'm looking forward to playing through it.

>>6768937
They reason they don't try to finely tune actual ammo placements around how much it'll affect the next map, is because that would require actually playing continuously while playtesting, which is a lot of extra work in the case of megawads, especially if its a community one where the final map order might not be decided until later. Simply depriving a backpack in the earlier levels is a much quicker and easier way of preventing too much ammo carryovers.

>>6768978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9m2uSHY1Gs

>>6768965
I hope that guy who said he wanted to start a Blood project is still around. I have never mapped for build, but I'd love to have a good reason to start.

>>6768925
Well I'm also from /vp/, and have 2 maps in there.

>>6768998
I never thought i'd say it, but based /vp/

>>6769000
You'll never say it again.

>>6768916
I've got a good one that really suits Badass Billy, let's just hope it fucking works.

>>6768886
Good job everyone!

>>6768886
Are you going to make a Doomworld thread for this?

>>6768981
>playing continuously while playtesting, which is a lot of extra work in the case of megawads, especially if its a community one where the final map order might not be decided until later.
Thats completely fair and I concede that for proper tuning on that scale with so many authors and intents behind the map wouldn't be feasible. There's alot of variables up in the air but I still think most players would prefer feast over famine, with most importantly having far less possible detriment to the players actual experience with the map.

>>6769027
>>6768958

>>6769040
Cool.

>>6769008
>>6768916
>>6768886
Here it is, just update it real quick, Badass Billy has a new track to kick it to.

TMNT theme rendition by Lippeth

>>6769052
shit, I forgot the link >:(
here it is
https://files.catbox.moe/tz9lyn.wad

>>6768886
Didn't realize there were a bunch of unknown textures in my map, so I got rid of em. This should be final.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8aqvdd0g1o6qkr/30DaysInTheCoolerForTalkingV3.wad?dl=0

>>6768989
I'm the guy that said I wanted to map for Blood but I've never done it. If someone has experience and wants to lead, I'm all in.

>>6768979
If anything the layouts of IF are way more streamlined than the original Build games, almost to a detriment for me.

>>6769037
>but I still think most players would prefer feast over famine, with most importantly having far less possible detriment to the players actual experience with the map.
I really don't think lacking a backpack in a map inherently makes it requiring ammo conservation. Sure, 200 can feel a little bit low for Bullets, but 50 max shells/rockets and 300 max cells is often plenty for most kinds of maps that typically appear in the early slots.

>>6768979
>confusing layouts
Everything is either an open arena or a linear hallway. Not very confusing
>awful enemy placement
I like it but I also liked the corner camping placements of hitscanning cultists in Blood
>awful gunplay
The high noon pistol is a lot of fun but everything else is pretty standard

>>6768562
cool. it is fun but absurdly difficult in parts. map31 makes me feel stupid

>>6768592
copy sunlust

>>6768886
absolutely based. i loved beta2. thanks, lead anon. can someone upload to doomworld or whatever?

>Half Life

>>6768886
Noice. Gonna run through it then.

>>6768886
Wow, this is surprisingly not bad so far, and a good challenge too! Good job anons.

Now when are we doing a thief jam?

>>6769361
Should be a Half-Life project next.

>>6769385
kys

>>6769187
Lead said he'd do it tomorrow
>>6768592
https://youtu.be/ptHurafdCoQ

>>6768562
oh sweet, a random level had ecco the dolphin music. never seen that in doom

>>6769385
>>6769361
Either would be sweet.

>>6768989
>>6769074
I'm still kickin'

I would love to start a community project for Blood! I'm willing to help anyone learn Build mapping as long as they put in some effort. I can put together a .zip with dosbox configured for MAPEDIT and teach you guys along the way. I don't know what we would call the project though....

>>6769361
just wait for last 6 or so maps, shit gets mighty nice

>>6768342
It's not bad, it's actually pretty good. But it just didn't live up to the expectations set by Opposing Force, which introduced new weapons, enemies, allies, etc. Blue Shift just has a scientist reskin, and a different armor system.

>>6769537
I'm willing to learn, I've watched a tutorial on MAPEDIT already (though I'll have to rewatch it). We would need more than three people though I imagine.
So how is it that there's people that know MAPEDIT and make maps but the only map packs for Blood seem to be Death Wish and French?

>>6769623
All those games suck.

>>6769629
Theres a fair amount of other episodes & individual levels, theyre just not as well-known or oft-recommended. Theres a site called blood.freeminded.de. Its a bit infested with spambots, but it still has the largest organized archive of blood maps and they can be sorted by date & rating.

>>6769537
You know what, fuck it. I'll join in whenever you want to get going. Let's not be too hasty though, let 2048 have it's time before we start jumping right into another.

>>6769537
I just finished blood yesterday for the first time and i would like to learn how to make maps for it.

>>6768501
>if I, a redditor, say something I don't like is "reddit" then I can turn people against it
You're not half as clever as you think you are, please go back.

>>6769687
Duke sucks.

>>6769709
That's really neither here nor there; the statement was the Duke has "reddit" humor which is obviously so far from reality as to be absurd.
As this >>6768509 post makes quite clear, reddit trannies and faggots hate the anti-PC humor of Duke.

>>6769176
it makes you realize how big brain high level Doom can be

>>6769629
>Need more than 3 people
Ideally, yes. Mapping in build can get very time consuming with all the shading and minute detailing.
>>6769667
Glad you're interested man, I agree that we should give it some time before jumping into a new project. Gives me time to get shit in order and anons time to play through 2048.
>>6769680
I'd be glad to teach ya.

>>6767572
>"Release Date"
>Early Access
means it would be 2-4 more years until it's done

>>6769749
I'm going to work in 5 minutes though. If you could explain how to get the mapeditor to run that would be great. I'll read it when i get home.

>>6769721
Pretty certain it's a collection of reddit and twitter trannies as of lately

>>6769762
I think he's gotta get stuff in order and we're gonna wait a while before we get going. You can check out MAPEDIT tutorials on YouTube in the meantime

>>6767708
>>6767740
It's bad. It's a Wolf-clone pretending to be Doom.
Resolution of everything is worse than Doom.
Levels are on a square grid, and consist of flat surfaces with rare pit or lift that leads to another completely flat featureless surface.
Texture variety is very low.
Enemies have no rotations.
Game becomes piss easy even on hardest difficulty if you upgrade just one gun.

Hello /vr/ I just had a thought and it's better if I ask in this thread.

Has there ever been a metal gear solid themed wad or modification with voice overs for Doom or build engine, or any retro fps?

>>6766632
Am I allowed to discuss Sonic Robo Blast 2 in here?

>>6769842
The only thing even somewhat related coming to mind is MAP32 of 200 mins of /vr/ which is based on using the Zdoom features of the invisibility sphere to sneak past enemies.

On that topic, are there any other good gimmick levels people can recommend? It got me thinking that there aren't many wads based solely on unusual gimmicks. Cyberdreams is the obvious one but I don't know much else.

>>6769537
same here, honestly!! i've been able to compile nblood's mapedit though. ill try to iron out more bugs in the next few days

>>6769872
Sounds good.

>>6769851
>It's a Doom!
>It's a Sonic!
>It's a Donic!

>>6769872
I thought nmapedit was vaporware? Is it functional? Does it run on dosbox or modern windows?

guys, 2048 /vr/ map02. HOW do i get the megasphere.

>>6769881
i want to update the controls though. mapedit's controls are such a nightmare. but it might just divide people rather than lowering the barrier for an editor with controls so horrible

>>6768570
It's a break-action shotgun, you unlock it and the force you put into opening the action translates to force on the ejectors extracting and ejecting the spent shells. It's exaggerated, sure, but only because the original SSG animations are.

>>6768886
I'll be updating 2048Guns soon for some fixes.

>>6768342
Not as exciting level design overall, and it's too short, but it's not bad.

>>6768139
Maybe if they did their goddamn job, they wouldn't be getting so many goddamn reports.

Is there any way in GZDoom to make player walk on walls, complete with perspective change - like Alien does in Alien vs Predator?
Has anyone tried to do that?

>>6769891
>Is it functional?
barely. just gotta debug it a lot.
>Does it run on dosbox or modern windows?
modern windows, based on mapster32.

>>6769823
Anon I guarantee you've never beaten the game on hardcore, why would you lie like this?

>>6770006
Wait fuck really? I thought it still only ran on dosbox? That's great news

>Rat brigade switches affiliation from villainy to establishment on quest completion
Not that I care, but I'm still annoyed. What if I was farming villainy?

>>6770037
I did.
Any of the fire upgrades, especially one on SSG makes you pretty much untouchable.
The only time I died was by falling through the floor below world geometry.

>>6769537
>tfw I can make Plutonia styled traps with cultists

>>6770063
The double damage SSG upgrade is pretty wasteful. There's so few enemies that require that much damage to kill, and while extra pellets will bypass the target as opposed to being soaked up in the case of an overkill, letting you effectively shoot down corridors, the ballista crossbow handles piercing far better, has a much faster reload, and allows you to retrieve the bolt at the end to maintain ammo neutrality.

>>6770082
There was never a need, after all its a very basic game no matter how hard it tries to present itself as something more complex - It's a stupid wolf clone.

>>6770089
It's fun as fuck, especially on hardcore. Probably one of the most well-balanced and fair nu-retro FPS out there.

>>6770097
whatever sinks your boat I guess

>>6769985
Endless Madness had a section similar to this. The camera flips when the player gets normally aligned to the floor again, but I'm not sure if they stick to walls or if they're other nonsense going on. https://youtu.be/D3IC5gZpt4w?t=695

>>6770103
Thanks! I'm loving the resurgence of the genre, there's something out there for everyone, the variety is insane.

>>6770124
Nah, that's just portal trickery.

>>6767572
The devs bite more off than they can chew

What are some wads that actually make you carefully manage your resources? It's not a common thing in Doom and I'd like to see it more.

>>6770134
Have you played the vanilla game? I haven't played it for a long time, but as far as I can remember, there were some levels that I ended up fighting with my fists because I couldn't find ammo.

>>6770134
Hideous Destructor; to the point where picking up shell casings from your own fired rounds may be a valid option.

>>6768817
These things took time. More than most development schedules allowed.

>>6770138
Why was this deleted?

>>6770049
that's the original mapedit which runs on dos. the nblood source code currently has code for a reverse engineered mapedit, im just trying to get it to run properly

>>6770143
I mean more like maps.
and I'm way too stupid to play HD

>>6770174
I like HD but the constant inventory management makes it a chore to play at times, so I usually don't.[/spoilers]

>>6770143
>to the point where picking up shell casings from your own fired rounds may be a valid option
Liberator Virgin:
- Always looking at the floor
- Chases brass like some kind of hobo
- Afraid of shooting near the ledges because brass might fall over
- Has to up partially loaded magazines constantly
- Still has to scrounge 4.26mm ammo
- Between levels sits like a retard looking at his gun rattling on the floor

ZM-66 Chad:
- Magazines come with hymen so he can be sure he's not using someone's sloppy seconds
- Ammo is plentiful
- Throws away partially spent magazines
- Every chaingunner is your bro and is dying to shower you with ammunition
- Gun made from space-age materials, never needs cleaning, as seen on TV
- Gun can instantly spit out entire magazine in a most hilarious fashion
- Can share ammo with his turret bros

>>6770180
You don't need to type spoiler tags, anon. Highlight the part of the post you wish to spoil, and press ctrl+s.

>>6770158
No sorry, I confused nmapedit for xmapedit, which is what NoOne is currently working on and THAT is the one that still runs in dos.

I hope they get back on the horse for nmapedit though, a non dosbox blood map tool would make it 100000% less autistic

>>6768549
>>6768886
To 2048GUNS dev - could you please make it Zandronum compatible before release? I know that this mapset is not really made with coop in mind, but your code is DECORATE, so there's no reason not to go for Zandro compatiblity. I actually did it already myself - all you need to do is to replace A_FireProjectile in rocket launcher with A_FireCustomMissile, remove +ZDOOMTRANS from plasma ball and remove all the "attenuate"'s from GLDEFS.

>>6770290
Well, if you'd be willing to do that yourself after I publish the next version (which hopefully should be final), that would work better for me, as I've got a bit on my plate.

>>6770134
iirc, matthias worch maps in memento mori 2 and requiem tended to be fairly tight on ammo.

HEHEHEHE~

>>6766701
>>6766641
Great, now i want some cold caco.

>>6767328
>he's now trying to force people to hate Origin SS and Ultima Underworld as he's trying with quake sequels and HL
I am surprised that he doesn't hype Cybermage.

>>6767902
>This people thinks that doom = hi tech base in space filled with monsters and metal music.
Nothing wrong with space bases filled with monsters and metal music. Doom is not only that but also hell filled with monsters and metal music.
>>6767937
I am a bit butthurt that they try to pass random generation and arenas as 90s thing while only keeping the artstyle somewhat similar, but it is a great way for indie devs to add replayability and cut costs on level design. I am ok with that, as long as nobody pretends it is actually retro.

I bought the Slayers collection and had no idea that its version of Doom 1 came with stuff like Plutonia or Sigil, which I've never played before. What am I in for with those?
I'm playing on Ultra Violence, of course.

>>6768063
>>6768084
Yeah, that looks like shit. The artist himself is good, i really wish that he worked for the designers that don't think that epileptic shit is good for an FPS.

>>6768509
>>6769721
Fuck both of you, Duke never was creepy or sexist until DNF.

>>6770206
yeah, even if it was still using the terrible controls it would still be better.

stay tuned, or so i hope

>>6770396
Plutonia is GOAT. SIGIL is also GOAT but you'll probably not feel that way until a second playthrough.

>>6770414
there's also still a huge problem with textures behaving like this. haven't checked if it's a bug even in dos mapedit

>>6770416
Try resetting the panning. Point at the wall and hit the "/" key, that should clear it up.

>>6770415
Doubt it, I'm thirsty for old school FPS ever since DOOM gave me a hankering for it. I even got Duke 3D, another game I've never touched before because of it.

>>6770206
git gud

>>6770325
Sure.

>>6770396
Plutonia and Sigil are very good, though they are also pretty damn tough, unless you're very experienced at Doom (and not having played these, I would assume that you're not), I would suggest playing them on Hurt Me Plenty before you throw yourself into Ultra-Violence, because they will only play hardball.

>>6770447
Duke Nukem 3D is an excellent game, one of my very favorites. A piece of key advice for that game is to know that its hitscanners does not have perfect follow with their aim, so you can dodge shotguns and machineguns to some extents.

>>6770427
it works!! thanks a million

>>6768886
Good job to others mappers and thanks to lead anon for taking care of it all. Its great to be a part of this

>>6770134
The Chord series Malcom Sailor, but I've only played G and 3.

>>6770396
>>6770480
> I would suggest playing them on Hurt Me Plenty before you throw yourself into Ultra-Violence, because they will only play hardball.
Don't do this, just play on UV and give yourself 1-2 saves per level

>>6769923
Shooting a secret button

I made this jar of jam for a silly weapon mod idea. Does anybody have any idea on how to improve the light reflection on the glass? I am pretty satisfied with the shadows and the lid, but I had huge problems with the reflection on the glass.

>>6770349
So, basically, people who browse /vr/?

>>6770808
shade the right part more

>>6770925
or 4chins in general

>>6769816
Pretty much this. I'm going to get mapedit configured to run in a reasonable resolution with a shortcut and write up some tutorials. Basically a folder with everything you need to start mappin'.

>>6768886
Good job everyone!

>>6770006
Once you get Nmapedit working reasonably well can you share it here? I'll put it in the Blood mapping folder so people have a choice between DOSBOX and a windows executable.

>>6769537
Never mapped for blood but whenever it's time, i'm in.

>>6769537
I love Blood but I never thought about mapping for it since it seems like a pain, but it seems there's actually quite a few people willing to try it so if the project actually starts I might do one too.

>>6771213
Mapping in the Build engine, be it with the BUILD or MAPEDIT editor is extremely easy. It's definitely one of the more user-friendly editors of that time.

>>6771160
>Blood mapping folder
This would be great to share, it seems like at least a few anons want to try Blood mapping

>>6771038
Quick rundown on Brutal Doom?

>>6771283
Fucking thing sucks

>>6771379
That's it I can't take it no more!

>>6771160
more than happy to! theres some really bad problems though that i have to sort out, namely
>newly made map crashes when parallax toggles in 3d mode
>opengl mode doesn't work. at all.

>>6768886
>waking up early to see this thing published
>"W-WAIT WAIT WAIT I need to update something anon!!"

>>6766632
>>6766635
>>6768886
Quick update to the project:
-MAP24 now has a properly working midi
-MAP17 had a few texture bugs fixed
-Fixed a window in MAP02 that you could run through

Download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8yiuestrwfvmdh/2048unitsvr_v1.1.zip?dl=1

>>6770731
You'll improve more playing HMP saveless than playing UV with saves.

>>6770965
You mean of the jar or the reflection?

>>6771495
That might be true but I personally had more fun playing Plutonia as a noob on UV with two saves per level. You get more intense action in shorter manageable chunks of time. Plus, there's so many bullshit traps in Plutonia, some of them might as well be kaizo blocks.

>>6771495
Not him, but I've personally found that I had an easier time getting UV saveless runs on harder mapsets through practicing each encounter with saves beforehand, rather than trying to beat the maps saveless blind on a lower difficulty.
And in the case of some maps out there, HMP's encounters are too different to what UV does, resulting in the lower difficulty playthrough run being next to useless in actually preparing for the higher difficulty.

>>6769537
You'll probably want to have someone who can perform an "editor" pass on developing maps every once in a while to make sure everyone is on-track. One of the big problems with multiple creators is that the level quality is all over the place, especially if people are just learning. I'd suggest starting a discord chat for anyone who's participating.

>>6771178
Nice to have you with us anon, I really appreciate it.

>>6771442
How's the functionality aside from that? What improvements does it have over vanilla mapedit? I haven't tried it out yet.

>>6771908
the functionality is really, really solid. pretty much like mapster32 for duke. ive been trying to find major differences between it and mapedit.

>>6771959
can maps created with this tool run in all versions of blood or do you need nblood?

>>6770183
And then the ZM66 "chad" runs into demons with shields, and he gets absolutely rekt because 4.26 is a small dick round that can't into shield penetration

>>6771283
Improves on the original in nearly every way, to the point that ID heavily modeled doom 2016 after it. Causes endless seethe and cope from discord trannies because it's more popular in the mainstream than every other fan-created wad combined.

>>6766632
>>6766635
>>6771472
Doomworld release thread:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116497-2048-units-of-vr-boom-megawad-for-doom-ii/

>>6771885
I could go through and detail / polish up maps with the creators if they wanted me to, but I don't want to alter their map to drastically. Build mapping takes a long time and I want everyone to feel comfortable and go at a pace that suits them best. Good call with a chat channel, but….

>Discord
They hired a third party to monitor all discussion for "hate speech", I find that creepy and I don't want to get the channel taken down because someone said faggot. anyone know of a good alternative?
https://blog.discord.com/our-stand-on-racial-equality-320088e83a22

This will never stop being relevant.
Fucking normalfags ruining everything.
>>/vr/thread/S6763536#p6766693

Was Romero mapping under the alias Orin Flaharty?

>>6771472
>-Fixed a window in MAP02 that you could run through

That was intentional, it was just a little hidden thing to let you get the drop on some dudes, even scooted the midtexture to make it plausible Doomguy could cram himself through. Doesn't really affect the map too badly if it's blocked though.

>>6772294
Mind that you'll might wanna update the 'accessory' set later, as I'll bring out a new version of 2048Guns with the last fixes, and a BFG.

>>6772478
They aren't very good at monitoring that, outside of maybe some very mainstream servers which require no invitation. There's plenty of more secluded servers which they just don't know are breaking the rules, because nobody there snitches.

>>6772729
agreed mr duke
where the retro videogame at tho

Are there any other games like strife out there? I've played that shit into the ground.

>>6772774
he was born before 2007

>>6772869
so?

>>6772656
Shit, dude my bad. It just seemed like a small unintentional thing you missed in the map, especially since the window texture was there.
>>6772728
Noted, I'll be on the lookout for that.

>>6771038
4+ years ago.

>>6771998
it runs in dos :)

>>6772729
>implying murderer

>>6773028
here it is in the editor itself too

>>6772728
Let's put it up to a vote and see what you guys want to use. Where should we host the Blood project?

http://www.strawpoll.me/20846806

doom 3 is now legal to talk about here :)

>>6772034
just blow them up with underbarrel grenade launcher lol