/vr/ - Retro Games

yea it wasnt that good on consoles

>>6758398
What about the PC version? Mostly I mean the general game, not really console specific.

>>6758408
Yeah the pc version was okay, bit boring but good enough

I'm not saying it's bad. But Heretic is the better one.

>>6758387
Isn't this the game that involves a lot of switch hunting?

every game is as shitty as people say it is
especially if it's people from /vr/

If you wish to get an answer from me I'm afraid you'll first have to locate 16 switches that I've placed in 4 different cities. Good luck.

>>6758387
No one ever said that. Some people don't like it because of all the puzzles and switch-hunting, but that's it.

>>6758387
The problem with Hexen is that it was based on the worst aspect of Doom, the puzzles. Having to go around the levels for hours after you already killed everything looking for switches to press is boring as fuck.

>>6758487
Okay it took a while but I did it.

>>6758387
Its just kinda boring sometimes, doom engine holds it back. Hexen 2 is fun as hell though.

>>6758697
It's shit.

Give it a try OP if you have it available, it's cool for a while at least. You'll see what everyone is talking about. I'm sure you'll find people who think it's really good if enough people answered.

>>6758387
>as shitty as people say
Where? Hexen was quite a big deal when it came out. It's just the console ports that were shit.

>>6758414
Is the expansion any good?

Suffers from Raven's disgusting switch hunt fetish. Far more time will be spend looking for the small change in level geometry in another area (or another map!) after you press a random switch than time spent fighting monsters.

>>6758936
Deathkings was aight. Held my interest more than basegame.

>>6758387
Art style and weapons were cool as fuck, still love me some Wraithverge to this day. The constant switch hunts and back tracking kills your motivation to keep going in a hell of a hurry. Combat involves knowing your weapons and what you can do with them considering you have less of a toolkit than Heretic. You'll be leaning on items a fair bit.

>>6759325
Tell me more about deathkings.
Are the levels or dark fantasy theme better?

>>6759349
Liked the fantasy theme in deathkings better.

Combat was more difficult and more of a chore, but what expansion isn't?

>>6759371
I read somewhere that in the expansion the demons respawn, is this true?

Is there any new content like weapons, monsters or items?

>>6759383
no new weapons or anything only new levels and the demons do respawn

>>6759383
See
>>6759402

>>6759402
How are the puzzles?

>>6759402
Can you finish it without a walkthrough?

>>6759415
i dont remember the puzzles really its been a while since i played it

>>6759467
Hexen II is impossible to finish today without a walkthrough, some of the puzzles are just to cryptic, such as the ones in the egyption themed area.

The Hexen II expansion however was a completely different experience. It's more like Quake with simple puzzles you can solve without a walkthrough and linear progression. It also added a new character class.

The point is Hexen expansion doesn't add or change anything other than adding more levels, correct?

>>6758927
We need only a full fledged port of the PSX cutscenes into the game itself

>>6758414
>>6758387
Wasn't boring at all.
Actually a really refreshing FPS, same with Heretic. I really wish there had been more titles of them. Now there are some indie clones though.

My biggest problem with Hexen is 4 weapons per character gets kinda dull but thankfully there's all sort of mods to fix that

>>6759482
>impossible to finish today without a walkthrough,
That just you being too dumb.

>>6759520
You are telling me you finished Hexen II without a walkthrough? Congratulations anon, you are the first.

Its a good game on DOS. On the N64 its a lot less fun due to the controls.

Hexen is great the only people who say it sucks are brainlets who got filtered by seven portals

the n64 version is good too it has coop, this place is getting way to reddit as in retards who dont know fucking anything pretending to know everything.

>>6759592
Seven portals is shit though. Game pisks up afterwords

It's a good game but let me tell you something, nigger.

You will get lost, often.

Hexen is fine by the standards of the time but aged badly as most 90s shooters.

>>6758387
i've never met anyone in person who thinks hexen is a shitty game but of course once the internet started taking off more it was more common. it's a different flavor of game and most people just wanna blast monsters

>>6759763
MIKE! You don't come to /vr/ and talk about 90's shooters like THAT!

>>6759645
It's only guardian of steel that's shitty ice and fire are kinda fun. Steel isnt even hard just confusing

>>6758387
Hexen is one of the best and its expansion is top tier.

>>6759825
>Top tier
>No new weapons, items or enemies
The expansion was phoned in

>>6759942
The hubs/levels were peak Hexen.

>>6759946
Peak shit.

>>6759954
Whatever, retard.

>>6758387
>>6759349
This DOSBox pack has Heretic + Shadows of the Serpent Riders, Hexen + Deathkings of the Dark Citadel, Hexen 2 + Portal of Praevus, so literally every title of the franchise if you want to try them.

https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA

>>6758494
Except it has practically no puzzles, and all the switch hunting in the world.
Unless you count fetch quests as puzzles.

>>6758387
It's fine. Saying it's bad is the same as saying Doom is bad.

Most first person shooters are actually dogshit but the thing about doom was the music. Hexen is devoid of music. Golden Eye also had music. Halo had music.

Hexen has no music.

>>6760024
>tripfag makes a demonstrably false statement
Hmm.

>>6760026
If you think real music is in Hexen you're special.

Ambiant noises are not music.



Unless it's Metroid Prime.

>>6759946
The level design & visuals are pretty good but the constant monster respawning makes it feel like a chore. Wonder if theres a mod to disable it.
>>6760024
Lol what the fuck, youre just completely verifiably wrong. All versions of the game, including N64, had music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpO8sYs2fo

>>6760032
Ambient rather

*blush*

>>6760026
Seriously that's the difference. The music.

>>6760032
There's no such thing as 'real music,' just music. Hexen has music, you're retarded. Quake 1 and Doom 64 have ambient music, Hexen's isn't ambient.

>>6760036
>constant monster respawning
Base Hexen has that too.

>>6760039
It's too thematic for classic retro games. Not enough melody.

Like SOTN has bad music for classic games in comparison to older Castlevanias for example.

>>6760041
Okay, you're just plain stupid. Not dealing with your shit anymore.

>>6760041
Just say it has bad music if thats what you mean, not "devoid of music". Then we'll understand you just have shit taste.

>>6760045
Not an argument.

And if you kept going I was going to reward you anon.

>>6760046
Isn't that what I said though?

>>6759551
you can just use dpad controls and it's fine

>>6759763
Any 90’s shooter is better than most today.

>>6758414
Accurate.
>>6758467
Also accurate.

https://youtu.be/KU0uPjDv4bo
HeXeN dIDn'T hAVe MuSiC

>>6761759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq7C2E1yA7s

>>6758387
>Get to point A
>Take Item 1
>Bring it to point B
>Turn it to Item 2
>Get back to point A
>Turn item 2 into item 3
>Go to point C
>Turn item 3 into item 4
>Go to point B
>Turn item 4 into item 5
>Go to point A again
>Et cetera

I had good memories of Hexen II untill I replayed it like 7 years ago. Fetch quest: the game. It's like the last mission of Thief 2: the metal age, but it stretches entire game

>>6761987
That's the point of Hexen/2. It's not an FPS like Doom, it's more akin to Metroid.

>>6760050
Fucking kill yourself tripfaggot

>>6759516
Are those for sourceports only? Also which mods would you recommend?

>>6762079
Wrath of Cronos if you want to go full balls to the wall and turn Hexen into Diablo with stats and loot and skill builds and all that kind of shit. Tempered Arms or Walpurgis if you want something closer to the original game with more options

>>6762162
>turn Hexen into Diablo
Absolutely not, not even D1.

>stats
Hexen II did it so it's okay I guess.

>loot
Ehh. Finding weapons in specially designed locations, even if that's a relatively plain pedestal in a distinctly looking room, made them feel special. Stuff of legend and so forth.

>and skill builds and all that kind of shit
I'd rather not.

>something closer to the original game with more options
Yes! I'll look into those, thanks.

>>6759264
Yeah this shit right here is why I stopped playing them. I ended up spending hours just running around in circles trying to figure out what to do. Or, I somehow did figure something out but can't remember how I got to a place and die, and need to start all over again.

>>6762162
Do I need ZDoom or can I run the mods in Chocolate? I barely remember anything about compatibility between source ports.

>>6758387
The level design is pretty tedious but like pretty much any one-liner criticism you see on here, the criticism is pretty overblown.
If you didn't mind getting lost in the Doom II city levels for upwards of 20-30 minutes you will probably enjoy Hexen for doing mostly that with more atmosphere and challenge.

HAY CIVVIE I JUST WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT HEXEN AND OTHER BAD THING ALSO (PHRENOLOGY MAYBE?)

>>6762373
The level design is MOSTLY fine. It's pretty clear what you have to for the most part bar a few awkward parts here and there.

For the most part the places I ever got stuck where my own fault.

>>6762162
Hmm... This has peaked my interest. Gonna look into this

>>6758408
PC was good, Doom with PRG elements.

Hexen 2 was more interesting as it tried to do something different. I enjoyed the hell out of that

>>6759482
>>6759520

Yep, had no problem finishing it back in the day. It was a lot of fun and final boss was fun.

>>6762001
>Metroid
Nah man, that would be metroid if those items gave you abilities to traverse previously blocked terrain, like jump/double jump, walljumps, water swimming/breathing. If those are just keys/switches its fucking shit and boring

>>6759498
Is calling the PS1 (government name: Playstation) the PSX a meme here? The PSX was a PS2 that recorded video and I'm sure no one means that, is everyone just trying to sound cool when they're actually just ignorant? People started doing it years ago but at least they were corrected then.
>muh codename
Do you call the Wii the Revolution? Well maybe if you're retarded you might I suppose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSX_(digital_video_recorder)

>>6765037

>>6763824
Look for Serpent Resurrection, it uses some new ashit and also Stonekeep, Daggerfall and Witchaven monsters and sprites

>>6765037
Shut up zoomer

>>6759482
>impossible to finish today without a walkthrough
Gross exaggeration. The game tells you what to do; it's a little cryptic, but everything can be eventually figured out with a little systematic searching and trial-and-error.

I played the game when I was 10 and I did not understand all of the text the game spewed out (because I'm not a native speaker of English), which added even more difficulty to it, and yet I finished it.

I consider it a good game to play every time you want a break from the usual ID Software retro stuff (Doom, Heretic, Quake). As others said, it has cool weapons, requires you to make extensive use of items, and is pretty enjoyable. Not necessarily as enjoyable as the other titles, but it has its unique flavor and is definitely the most sophisticated one among them.

>>6760040
Hexen only respawns the two-headed basic enemy though (forgot their name). I quit Deathkings because of the swamp level (Darkmere?) with respawning Stalkers. Those from across the map would form a firing squad while those near me blocked me from going anywhere. I killed hundreds of those and nearly gave up because of a maze-like underground room where different sections of the water would go up and down at different times.

>>6765062
anotha one

>>6765037
The only people who use PSX to refer to that piece of shit Japan-only DVR combo are contrarian autists.

>>6767071
(It's from this issue if someone wants to grab a scan.)

>>6762018
no

>>6758387
>1/16th of the Puzzle has been solved in Screw This Game and the 15 other switches

>>6761987
Thanks John Carmack!

>>6767172
Fuck i meant Romero.

>>6767165
>6 switches spread across 3 levels is too much for his brain
Sad.

The "1/100th of the puzzle has been solved" and "Something has happened somewhere" memes are totally overblown. In reality it pretty much always gives you a good idea of what happened with a message (eg. "A door has opened on X map"). If you can handle navigating a Metroid game, you should be able to handle Hexen.

Fuck that one room in Hub 4: Gibbet where you need to willingly trigger an obvious pitfall trap in order to open a door on the other side of the room. That's some bullshit. Besides that, all the "puzzles" are fine.

>>6758387
Its a bullshit hunt for switches and it sucks. Fuck Hexen.

>>6758398
I liked the four player coop aspect of it, that and having one friend rage hard fucking core when you zapped him with the porkalator.

>>6758387
i really like the artstyle and actual gameplay, but the actual game is a chore to play. if they just cut the number of keys/switches in half, or gave more direction to what they did, then itd be a genuinely good game

>>6770043
Fuck you.

>>6758387
It's not shitty at all. It's cool as fuck and there's nothing else on 5th gen consoles like it. It's got the action of Doom mixed with the puzzle solving and mystery of a dungeon crawler and it's wrapped up in a dark gothic 90s style that few other games have outside of Diablo or maybe Demon's Souls. Beating this game was one of the most memorable gaming experiences of my life and I never played it until about 5 years ago. People call it shit because they got filtered by the difficulty. The game is hard as balls on higher difficulties and the puzzles are going to stump you if you're too retarded to piece clues together, but if you have an IQ over 100 you should have no problem with this game. N64 version is the best IMO, it replaced the gaudy FMV with cool written intros to each level and music that sounds a little creepier. Definitely recommended, just don't play the PS1 or Saturn versions unless you like half the content and enemies with only a front sprite.

>>6758387
Play it on PC, preferably on GZDoom.

Great style and atmosphere, but the switch hunt isn't for everyone.

>>6760032
Eat shit buddy