/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING PROJECT ===

2048 Units of /vr/
-New submissions are now closed, currently in second beta phase.
Link to BETA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7sv89hpzasmrnj/2048unitsvrBETA2.zip?dl=1

=== NEWS ===

[8-18] A small hotfix for GMOTA that fixes that issue of Zandronum crashing online when players take crushing damage
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/gmota

[8-17] NRFTL designer TheCastle will release the non-Brutal Doom version of Redemeption of the Slain on 21st August
https://discussions.app/tag/blog/yvnjcoyoas63/days-until-redemption-of-the-slain-doom-episode-release/yvnjcoyoas63

[8-17] Woof! 2.1.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/112333-this-is-woof-210-aug-17-2020-updated-winmbf/?page=7&tab=comments#comment-2173929

[8-16] Astrostein Death Before Dishonor & Macenwolf update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/macenwolf/news/macenwolf-103-astrostein-death-before-dishonor

[8-16] Arcade version of Quake is playable on PC
http://quakearcadetournament.blogspot.com/

[8-15] DOOM II: Resurrected - A DOOM II Remake
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116075-doom-ii-resurrected-a-doom-ii-remake/

[8-15] ROTTEXPR, a source port for Rise of the Triad was released
https://github.com/LTCHIPS/rottexpr

[8-13] BTSX E2 no longer in beta; available for bethesda/console ports
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2172295
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1293934149628289027?s=20

[8-11] Boomer Con
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S71Gib5Hdo [Embed]

[8-11] KMQuake gets updates
http://www.markshan.com/knightmare/

[8-11] Reelism 2 v0.5 Early Excess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKynvrDxqmk [Embed]

[7-31] E1M1 Multiverse released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115093-e1m1-multiverse-release-24/

[7-30] /v/ anons released Unreal championship 2, UT 2004 and Unreal 2 The Awakening source codes
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GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS. IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN. SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? LET'S SEE IT.

>'last thread' takes you to a random N64 thread
but I wanted to catch up op, hope your day is good though

>>6749652
Oh ffs, sorry. It's >>6740776

>>6749645
Third spell implemented - it's a vine that stuns and drags enemies to you, but if that enemy cannot be stunned, then the vine will drag you to him instead. Next I will add some powerups, a shotgun and will start working on textures and a first level.

>>6749667
yeeeeeea

I was reading some comments from >>6748098 and some people doesn't like my edit, that's absolutely fine! don't use it.

>>6749645
I was feeling mapper's block so I downloaded Oblige and randomly generated two WADs worth of levels just to wander through and get some ideas. I ripped the geometry for this room right out of the WAD but I really like the way these chess pieces play with it.

>>6749715
>chromatic aberration

>want to play Quake 1.5
>for the introduction and first level of every episode the screen is just pitch black, HUD still visible
>oh I see darkplaces version is too new
>use the one bundled with the mod
>64bit only
>download the same version 32bit
>now everything works but the performance is absolutely atrocious, 15 fps whenever I shoot a gun, a solid second of input delay
>also for some reason start every level with a flag, supernailgun and yellow armour and a ton of ammo infront of me, regardless of which version of darkplaces

Not sure what to do here

>>6749770
I wish someone finally makes a weapon mod for Quake that changes vanilla guns, and can be put on top of most other map sets.

I'd do it myself but quake modding is too big brain, and my brain is smol.

>>6749645
Improved the Freezimp a bit. Now it's more robust (and without spawing all those copies that can go awol) and imo the shivering effect looks way better.

>>6749881

>>6749881
cool like the movement effect, you just need to recolor its sprites or something to make it look more unique

>>6749881
The scale jitter is ... interesting. What about changing his palette and making him emit ice particles or frosty clouds?

>>6749815
Changing guns is Haram for Q1 They hate 1.5 for being good and still tolerates Quoth and Ad weapons
you will have a better luck with Q2, also C is easier than QuakeC.

>>6750030
>>6749770
Got weird bug with 1.5 - even if I disable bloodstains, apparently there's still some inviusibler blood flying out of enemies, and the stains they make are on lightmap - it gets darkened in splotches.
There's an option to disable lightmaps and rely on RT lighting, but that makes everything too dark.

>>6749815
any mod can be used with any vanilla map. e.g. nothing is stopping you from playing Contract Revoked with Drake balance (double damage on shotguns at half fire rate, turbo-SNG, etc), or with Zerstorer arsenal, or with strafing enemies from Nehahra, or with AD of course.
the opposite is also true, two mods can't be combined, and a map that relies on specific progs.dat can never be reliably played with another weapon mod.

also, ignore the retarded Q2 shill, at this point he shits up threads more frequently than HL-fag. he's right on one point though: making Q2 guns any worse would be very hard indeed.

>>6749636
is there a mod out there that uses the high quality original sound effects in place of the compressed versions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bgFpss0YFE

>>6750030
The problem I have with Q1 arsenal is "planned obsolesence" for half of the arsenal.
IMO regular shotgun can be made into hand cannon pistol that can fire accurate or fast but inacurate shots if you tap the trigger faster.
SSG can be changed to quad that can fire 2 shots faster before a "reload" delay (up the total DPS by ~35%, overall same DPS as Triple shotgun from, AD) .
Regular Nailgun can to have its nails bounce as opposed to SNG and maybe a bit higher fire rate.
SNG - stay as is, but make it fire 2 nails with small spread, already been done in Copper mod (but spread there is too big imo).
Grenade Launcher would benefit from larger splash radius than RL and ability to detonate on demand - I've seen it done in a WIP mod showcase, but the mod was never released sadly.
Rocket Launcher - ability to direct rocket with laser (again seen in same unreleased mod).
Lightning gun - altfire functioning the samne as plasmagun from AD. A only use LG against Shamblers and I wouldve use it much more if it had such firing mode, since otherwise it always feels like tremendouis waste of amo and it all ends up way too quickly.

>>6750092
Dude.
It's in the description of the video you just linked here.
like wtf lol

>>6750058
options > customize effects > stainmaps > off
it's a "feature"

>>6749645
My idea of of city map still continues to be just a courtyard flanked by different buildings. But at least now it's actually flanked by different buildings and not by a single one.

>>6750123
I already disabled those.
The stain graphics disappear, but the darkening of the lightmap does not. Darkening remains until I save+load the game - then it disappears, but rocket explosions and invisible "blood" still darkens the lightmap.

>>6750089
Links to those mods?
Can't find that "Drake Balance" thing, and Zestroer is a map set, says nothing about ability to play it with other maps.

Where do I get those and how do I play them with vanilla maps / map sets/ map jams?

>>6750116
i never read video descriptions

>>6750089
Stop lying beep
No one besides you larping niggerdrones at discord who has friends at PC Gamer cares about Q1. Also Most newfags here doesn't even know how many Q2, RTCW and Q3 Mods existed in Planet Quake and the Old Archive, which outnumbered Everything that Q1 had alone.

you niggers love to rewrite history as Quake 1 being the good game, when none of you ever saw the community close since its release and saw everyone bickering even over Quake World or Quake TF
or how people hated the mission packs for being hard, or how all of you got Filtered In Q2 because of railguns and rocket jumping.
or how Nehahra was influenced by Q2 and Build Mapping designs, which turned the mod great til this day.

Q1 became FAMOUS because it was the 1st 3d fps game and for using a famous musician as its soundtrack.
besides that everything else is forgettable, even Multiplayer was Inferior to its mission packs, mainly DoE for its CTF, its famous mod known as Team Fortress and later on Q2 and UT99.
also Mapping was ASS, Doom back then was still superior to Q1, with yearly Cacoawards proofs.

The Quake 1 community is literally that Autistic Jealous Kid who wrecks an entire birthday party and his colleagues because no one is noticing him.

>>6750129
well I dunno, works on my machine. you tried restarting after changing the stainmap setting, right? I'm out of ideas, keep trying different DP versions I guess
>>6750136
"Drake" is a mod, used in a bunch of Tronyn's maps and more recently in TerShib2. it's a bit messy with the versions, just search for "Drake beta".
drop any custom maps you want to play with a mod into that mod's folder, run the mod (e.g. "game drake" in QS console), then warp to a map as usual.
it's a bit harder than I described, since some maps come in .pak files, but should be manageable. I believe in ya.

HERETIC: SHADOW OF THE SERPENT RIDERS
What did they mean by this?

>>6750158
Idk about the community or mods for other Quake games, I played Quake 1 and enjoyed it so it's a good game.

>>6750158
>Q1 became FAMOUS because it was the 1st 3d fps game
zoom zoom

>>6750158
Is this the PC equivalent of fat losers still arguing over SNES vs Genesis 30 years later while everyone else just games & has fun?

>>6750294
kinda, except imagine a guy nagging others to make games for N-Gage and throwing tantrums when they don't

>>6750158
It's posts like these that make me think that euthanasia might not be that bad of an idea

>>6749936
>>6749989
Yeah, I was debating whether I should also give it some kind of blueish-white tint or something like that, but I figured the shivering would be enough for making it "cold", otherwise I felt it would be too mario-ey and you could just omit the shivering and have an ice imp. As for emitting the particles, I had envisioned it as "it's cold as balls so the imp is freezin and even his fireball got cold".
And the scale jittering is also just a workaround. My original plan was to offset the sprite continuously, but I haven't found a function for doing that.

>>6750158
Nice blog faggot
Try to be more concise with your autistic screeching, you may pass as normal sometimes.

What is the best gameplay mod for Hexen?

>>6750327
Hexenhanced (adds altfires, needs some tweaking to make it work under new GZDoom)
Hexercise (rebalance, altfires)
Tempered Arms (rebalance, altfires, builds up on Hexercise in some ways, differes in others)
HexArcana - total rework of all classes with multi fire modes, new mechanics and fancy effects. Also works in Doom now.

https://twitter.com/kinsie/status/1297076714514702336

Man why did i not play blood before. This shit is fun as fuck to play.

>>6749645
Nothing much yet, but I was feeling the need to start mapping and actually try to make something good.

>>6750158
>No one besides you larping niggerdrones at discord who has friends at PC Gamer
Who the fuck are you even talking about?
Quake was better than Quake 2. I don't know or care which one had more mods.
The only area I can remember Quake 2 being more popular in was multiplayer. Which Quake 3 did better anyway.
I do remember Quake having a wider variety of mods. Like the racing mod or skateboarding mods etc...

>>6750406
Builder screenshots make it hard to understand what is going on below.

Hope you'll add some variety to textures too.

>>6750406
Try to avoid total symmetry.

>>6750308
>Yeah, I was debating whether I should also give it some kind of blueish-white tint or something like that, but I figured the shivering would be enough for making it "cold", otherwise I felt it would be too mario-ey and you could just omit the shivering and have an ice imp.

I think it'd work better visually if he was just some kind of ice/snow blue/white color, doesn't have be an advanced edit.

>>6750407
Shut up

>>6750089
>making Q2 guns any worse would be very hard indeed
I don't think Quake 2's guns are that bad. They're not perfect, but performance wise they're solid, just give them real muzzle flashes and tweak some of the behaviors.

>>6750158
You should probably kill yourself.

>>6750406
What the other guy said, don't focus too hard on symmetry (except for where it makes sense as detailing). I like the geometry of that room.

>>6750409
Whoops. Here's some ingame screenshots
>textures
I'm just blocking out the level, first.

>>6750414
Thanks for the tip.

>>6750327
I think Tempered Arms is the best one. It keeps the feel of the weapons but tweaks balance and adds altfires. Hexercise has the same goal but it makes the weapons less satisfying even than vanilla.

>>6750443
Thanks.

>>6750445

>>6750445
From experience, I think fully texturing room by room is better than leaving placeholders all around. But that's just me.
Room looks nice.

Don't forget to align your textures and unpeg them where appropriate.

Can anybody properly explain Skyboxwa in GZDoom to me? I just can't wrap my head around it. I read all the tutorials and the wiki article, but I am none the wiser. For testing I made a custom sky texture and still don't understand it. Is it even possible to make a skybox that doesn't tile at height 0?
I just want to make a sky that won't look weird when standing on a mountain and looking down.

>>6750473
1) Skybox like Quake 2
Define 6 textures (6 sides of skybox cube) in GLDEFS
https://zdoom.org/wiki/GLDEFS#Skybox_definitions
Plain skybox, that covers all 6 sides.

2) Skybox like in Unreal and GoldSrc
Make a room, texture it and decorate however you want your sky to look like.
put a SkyViewpoint camera in the center of it
That's it.
Must be done in UDMF format obviously.
This will allow you to make animated complex skyboxes.
Must also put the SkyPicker thing into the sectors that need to have sky.

its all in the wiki

>>6750501
Yeah, that's exaclty what the wiki says, I read that. But that still doesn't help me in understand how exactly the sky is normally processed.
But it seems like I won't get around making a cube skybox.

>>6750419
Make me, dork.

Play Plutonia

>>6750514
it puts your map in virtual cube (i.e. ass if you made your map a giant square room with map geometry in middle) then put the texture on the sides of that giant room
if you ever noclipped in Half Life you'd understand it really quick.

2048 fags, where are the updates?
status report NOW

>>6750417
This is a quick variant I made. Simply tinted it a bit, now it's rather grey with some blueish spots. Not sure if I like it.

>>6750519
I posted a bugfix last thread.

>>6750517
I'm absolutely positive I beat plutonia somewhere in the past, but for levels that aren't 1, 2 or 29 I'm having no recollection.

>>6750525
Time Imp from Realm667 looks like it could be an ice Imp variant, you could try using those sprites.

>>6750519
Graphics for super shotgun is all done, now I'll be cutting it up into frames.

>>6750564
you mean that nice ssg sheet from last thread?
thing was nice, I wanna do my own diy one with glowing red eyes on the skull once its all fixed up.

>>6750525
What about just making the spikes icicle looking

Doom is not real 3D

>>6750574
You mean white, like they already are?

>>6750575
It's 3D with infinitely tall actors to save memory

>>6750580
But with the brown intact

>>6750568
Looking forward to seeing that done. I'm open to anyone using whatever sprites and textures I make.

>>6750583
Being able to walk over and under enemies doesn't make it 3D

>>6750575
Keep your trolling to the other thread, asshole.

>>6750587
The enemies are 2D sprites in 3D space. maybe that's what's confusing you.

>>6750501
The second method is clearly superior

If Doom isn't 3D then 3D was a mistake

>>6750602
Yes, but it requires a lot of fiddling, work, putting fuckton of extra things in a map (skypickers in all the relevant sectors) , if it is not literally a room (like in Refracted Reality), which would degrade performance quite a lot.
First method is faster and cheaper on the performance by a great margin.

>>6750596
This has nothing to do with the game using sprites or not. Height is not real

>Height is not real

>>6750618
>no arguments

>>6750575
>>6750613
>>6750621
>parroting that shitty eceleb video again
>every argument of which has been thoroughly disproven as factually false
3D means 3 dimensions
You can move in all 3 dimensions
Enemies, projectiles and all actors can move in all 3 dimensions
Space is presented with all 3 dimensions

By definition of 3D, Doom is a 3D game.
Stop inventing your own inane "ackchually it is not really" definitions.

Ancient map formats that prevent sector-over-sector or infinite tall actors are completely irrelevant for this matter. Game space and gameplay still represent 3D environment with all 3 axis being traversible by all objects

>>6750464
If you texture & detail as you go, then there's resistance to removing/reworking areas because you dont want to waste the work you did.
>>6750612
IIRC theres a way to make one skypicker apply to all sky sectors in a map.

>>6750629
Doom is a top down shooter. The engine uses 2D calculations to determine its colisions and hits

>>6750501
>Must also put the SkyPicker thing into the sectors that need to have sky.
Not if your SkyViewpoint camera has TID 0.

>>6750629
Huzzah! You have fallen for another of my expert traps hook, line, and sinker! My fiendish schemes know no bounds!

>>6750613
But it is. Visually.

>>6750585
Here's a quick mockup. I still don't like either variant and I don't think I could make the spikes any bluer.

>>6750536
Checked it out, but again, I think it's just too blue already.

>>6750643
>parroting gametheory
congrats anon
you reached rock bottom
you can't fall any lower

>>6750647
>"i-i-i was only pretending to be retarded!"
good job, retard

>>6749881
Looks like shit.

>>6750654
how about the original shiver effect with the blur, but the blur is translated and not the original imp.

>>6750661
Sorry, forgot the image. But that would certainly not work. The sprite changing color all the time is jarring, kinda like if you had a TNT1 inbetween.

>>6750585
Here's a quick mockup. I still don't like either variant and I don't think I could make the spikes any bluer.

>>6750536
Checked it out, but again, I think it's just too blue already.

>>6750658
>gametheory
Who? Is that an Youtuber, I'm not a zoomer so I don't know what you're talking about

>>6750660
Show your mods, fgt

Saying Doom is real 3D is like saying trannies are real women

>>6750643
No, it doesn't, things fall down from heights, things can be launched into the air by explosions, elevator surfaces can raise and lower things, barriers can be too low or too high to allow you to fit through. Height is a very real factor when anything moves in the environment.

Saying that it's a topdown shooter when it has every axis necessary to be three dimensional is a cope by people who lack a frontal lobe, like you.

>>6750669
You can use A_SetTranslation on the spawn phase to tint the imp bluish without the need to redo all the sprites yourself, or create your own custom translation.
https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_SetTranslation
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Translation#Tinted_translations

>>6750691
>make two sectors with different values for "height"
>when the player goes from sector A to sector B, the game automatically starts decreasing the player's "vertical position", until it coincides with the inferior's sector's "height"
See? The engine just simulated a fall

>>6750713
>vertical position
you playerd yourself

>>6750691
See >>6750680
You can stick your dick into post-op tranny's "vagina", but it's actually a gaping wound with some penis leftovers draped around to make it look like real thing.

>>6750727
thats disgusting
tell me more
about your sexual experience with trannies

>doom builder is the FPS version of RPGs
>it's even easily moddable so you can just click the exe and play without messing with ZDL
>still barely any disturbing and/or porn games from it

>>6750732
Well, it's the same as my other sexual expediences. I just read about them on 4chan.

>>6750735
Well, there's HDoom, and they recently cancelled someone on Doomworld for having violence against womyn in his wads (scenes of Pussy Riot execution, foreverially delitized Lara Croft).

>>6750727
I don't want to hear stories about your dad and '
new mom'.

>>6750762
Ooh, someone is obviously projecting here.

>>6750748
Oh those wads sound disgusting, do you have any links to them?

>>6750765
You're the one who wants to talk about sex with trannies, and who thinks Doom isn't three dimensional.

>>6750778
You ever heard the term "2.5D"?

>>6750801
2.5D is a misnomer. A thing that does not exist, but used as aconvenience to indicate that either Gameplay or Visuals ignore the presense of one dimension:
1) when third dimension is present in graphics, but not represented in the gameplay plane like in some fighting games (Guilty Gear XRd), or platformers
2) when third dimension is implied by game interactions (units heright in RTS like Total Annihilations), but not represented visually.

In Doom both viduals and gameplay present 3 dimensions
All arguments against that have long since been disproven and to deny that is stupidity
Also Carmack himself said Doom is 3D, just not your regular general purpose 3D.

>>6750748
Links?

>>6750801
You ever heard the term two point perspective?

>>6750776
>>6750835
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Shadowman
Just follow the links under Ascension and Inquisitor 1-3

>>6750879
you ever heard of a second year of college?

You guys think these are the same two bickering mental defectives we've had for the past few threads?

>>6750302
Nigga you're the one throwing a tantrum, we are out here chilling making maps for both doom and quake not giving fuck about whatever >>6750158 is writing about

I like how the pogostick in Reelism 2 explodes before you jump

Sigil is fucking hard.

>>6750519
This is my last fix, it was on the last thread but whatever:
https://files.catbox.moe/afuzkt.zip

>>6750914
I wouldn't bet on it, but the fact it happens pretty much every thread makes you think.

>>6750960
>Sigil on GBA
Fucking madman, I didn't know it was even possible

>>6750972
Anything is possible.

>>6750967
Fix to what?

>>6750454
Update.

>>6750464
Yeah I just find that in a lot of my old maps that I didn't finish I would spend some time on texturing when the level didn't feel good enough to play. (>>6750637) explains it well enough.

>>6750892
Thanks.

>>6750914
Probably just 1 schizoposter

>>6750975
Straight Walled Rooms, someone pointed a softlock.

>>6750982

>>6750996
Ah, thanks for the clarification.

doom wad that's just a recreation of an Ikea store when

>>6749770
If anyone still cares about this; I went through the list of old darkplaces versions, trial and error style.

My findings:

>2017 builds(recommended by the dev)
>quake as a powerpoint presentation
>2018 old builds
>either just crashed at startup or doesn't render anything
>2018 current official stable build
>introduction and every M1 is just black, also the level name is constantly displayed half transparently onscreen
>everything 2016
>runs buttery smooth zero issues
???
One would think that maybe the current build is too much for my shitbox, but it gets the best performance of them all. For now I'll just use 2016 build

Conclusion:
Fucking sourceports, how do they work??

>>6751087
Also I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to disable ctf shit in singleplayer, the flag is annoying as fuck and the weapons break progression

>first we got alf
>now we got "doom isn't 3d" schizo
great

>>6750898
you hear about videogames

>>6750960
I know someone was working on converting E1M8B for the GBA port, but fucking hell, if he got to town on converting Sigil, that's impressive as shit.

>>6750998
>>6750982
smothered texturing christ
that staircase looks like hall of mirrors
use placeholder texture set dude

>Browse ZDoom wiki for HUD tutorials
>ACS (No longer needed because of SBARINFO)
>Click SBARINFO
>"Warning: The feature described on this page has been deprecated, and will no longer be supported or updated by the GZDoom developers."
>Fuck all on making a ZScript HUD
So how the fuck do I do this?

ok, got all the culling optimizations working

pretty neat

the map size probably won't affect performance much anymore, but i'll probably have to reduce the amount of geometry for it to be playable on the genesis

>>6751153
Deprecated means no new features will be added, no matter how hard you ask.
But erverything that's already there still works fine.
Nothing stops you from using all the old features.

Also you can pick apart mods that use HUD feature you want and see how that mod did it.

>>6751153
Have a look in the gzdoom.pk3 and just steal everything from there. If I can do it, so can you. I believe in you, anon.
Also, Jekyllgrim has a decent zscript beginner tutorial (at least for me as a non-programmer).

>>6751162
Are you working on optimising Doom 32X, or is it your own project?

Holy shit I want this character in a Doom mod

>>6751128
It runs like ass though. They might need to simplify some geometry in places. Also, music isn't custom yet, they're doing all of that by hand so it doesn't sound awful.

>>6751131
>use placeholder texture set dude
Just align your textures; don't worry about extra textures this early on.

Here is the ultimate proof that Doom is a top down shooter.
Go on and try refute to this. Protip: you can't

>>6751189
I got a protip for ya: Stop caring so much if it is or isn't.

>>6751193
But what if I want to remake Doom in a 2d engine using these ideas?

>>6751189
>>6751195
by this merit Quake is a top down shooters too though

>>6751163
So just do it anyway and hope the [No] chicken doesn't break it for a new, undocumented, shiny toy.
>>6751165
I'll probably want to learn ZScript later so I may as well learn that shit anyway. Thanks for the lead.

>>6751162
Been watching you slave over this for a while, its some pretty cool shit you doing anon.

>>6751195
Then do it? You don't need to win an asinine argument about an ancient game engine to do so.

>>6751087
I wish quake would get a great sourceport like skulltag or zandro and just overhaul most of the shit. Survival coop, a menu for gameplay settings, and a good browser like doom explorer would be great.

>>6751206
I don't know how to code

>>6751204
"deprecated" means there won't be any changes to it.
These subsistems don't interact with each other on code-level so it is unlikely to be broken by any other feature either.

>>6751201
Every shooter can be

>>6751215
Then learn, or don't. Maybe then you'll be more than just an idea guy that thinks they know what they're talking about.

>>6751215
it shows

>>6751218
Sweet, guess I'll start with SBAR just to get a hang on things before I spend hours trying to find an unclosed curly boi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ro_SqyEqK4

>>6751171
not using doom 32x, it's my own engine

>>6751262
Oh! I thought it was someone else because of E1M1 geometry

>>6751213
Seems like IOQ3 could be used, maybe import Q1 assets/levels add some menu options. Then build on it from there. Add Q2+ expansions have all three built in one.

Maybe Bethsoft in it's infinite wisdom and talent could pull something like that off. A D3 BFG edition of sorts but Quack

>>6751187
I think he just meant "use the other stock textures instead of leaving everything a jarring tan mix of default basewalls, wood ceilings, and linoleum"

>>6751291
>>6751187
there's a special placeholder set somewhere with orange innards, white borders, and dimensions like 32x128, 64x128, 8x64 and so on in the upper left corner. Works great for highlighting geometry and marking stuff for different texture types for later proper texturing

>>6751268
its for an engine that runs on genesis if that's what you were thinking

This is now a Turok thread.

We're going to download the Nightdive Turok level editor and put some maps together. No, we won't take 4 weeks to release it. Well just throw it together for fun and not be hyper autistic about it

>>6751345
It will probably take me 4 weeks to learn the editor.

>>6751347
From what I've seen I think its literally just drag and drop of assets. Its pretty basic and I think most levels woukd end up pretty samey. It's not a super deep level creator.

>>6751345
Pass.

>>6751345
Have fun being the only person who does anything for it.

>>6749645

>>6751347
For better or worse Turok game levels are literally just imported models stacked on top of each other.

Half-Life sucks and it ruined FPS

Your mom sucks and it's pretty much all dicks.

>>6751345
Turok is garbage.

2048 Reminder
The following levels still need difficulties implemented: Gatehouse, Arrogance & Contempt, Trifecta
Will the authors kindly do this before somebody else does?

>>6749770
Quake 1.5 is just Quake 2 for Quake and who the fuck wants that shit

>>6751548
In your opinion

>>6751453
So it's easy

>>6751661
Yes, but it means that there's virtually no culling of polygons. If it's within a certain distance there's a rendering cost, even if the object isn't visible. It's the reason why draw distance makes such a big difference in performance. It's a way to cheat to gain performance by not rendering at a distinct distance from the camera.

>>6751713
TLDR version.
Polygon count has a cost proximity wise, not visibility wise. Be careful how many pieces you have in a given area.

>>6751621
I did it for Arrogance and Contempt, posted at the end of the previous thread. Reposting the link.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/usi0yk8q9vblheo/EnragedEggplant_-_Arrogance_and_Contempt_EDIT.wad/file

How do I increase the size of text in gzdoom/zandronum? It's so tiny at high resolutions I can't read it.

>>6751756
Just search font scale in the settings.

>>6751195
The fuck are you even trying to imply with this graphic? That when a projectile flies, the engine checks its position relative to doomguy and collides if so? In reality, the projectile flies based on velocity in 3d space and runs its death/explosion state when it collides with anything.

>>6751775
retard thinks that he discovered something

Is it pronounced Archvile or Arkvile?

>>6751797
"oh fuck" is the way you usually say it.

>>6751797
>>6751806
'asshole' also works

>>6750996
>>6751004
thanks, i'm the anon that posted the softlock.

lead anon, if you search in the past thread for "2048 feedback", you can see some comments on maps 1-20, and some responses with fixes, including the preceding one.

>>6751897
Also fixes on 15, 31 and 32 to stop them being unplayable on Eternity and other ports that require a reject lump.

>>6751345
Fuck that noise, Turok is shit and can lick the area from under my ballsack clean. Get out of here.

What we should do is make a set of THIEF maps. Hell, I'm willing to help anons with learning DromED shit bootcamp style and enable them to shit out decent and perhaps even FUN maps. I know there are some people here with that taffing itch.

>>6751345
Fuck that noise, Turok is shit and can lick the area from under my ballsack clean. Get out of here.

What we should do is make a set of THIEF maps. Hell, I'm willing to help anons with learning DromED shit bootcamp style and enable them to shit out decent and perhaps even FUN maps. I know there are some people here with that taffing itch.

>>6751953
>spending 2 hours creeping at 1.5 mph through ugly mazes is more fun than mowing down dinosaurs and screaming I AM TUROK
Yeah nah

>>6751953
Let's make Blood maps

>>6751983
Yes.

>>6751987
We could, I only offered Thief because it's what I know and I want more people to try it out. Build Engine map editors are a bit clunky and not very user friendly, especially so for blood which still has its map editor run on fucking DOSBOX, but I'd be willing to try it out with a knowledgeable person leading it. I still vote for Thief, though.

>>6751983
Yes.

>>6751987
We could, I only offered Thief because it's what I know and I want more people to try it out. Build Engine map editors are a bit clunky and not very user friendly, especially so for blood which still has its map editor run on fucking DOSBOX, but I'd be willing to try it out with a knowledgeable person leading it. I still vote for Thief, though.

>>6752021
Oh I didn't realize the editor ran on dosbox. Is anyone working on a build engine editor? Its a shame there's so few map packs for duke and blood

>>6752037
there's mapster32.

>>6752041
Looks like you're fucked, anon.

>>6752041
>>6752021
Nowing nothing about Build mapping but wanting to start, specifically with blood. I have seen that most build games use mapster32, why is this not posible with Blood?

>>6751953
Gimme the rundown on DromEd. It looks like Hammer but even worse, which makes me not even want to look at it

>>6752037
The guy who made nBlood was working on updating the map editor but it seems all he's really doing is just adding small QoL improvements. And it still fucking runs in dosbox. Again it's fine and I'd be willing to try but its just a bit off-putting.

>>6752041
>>6752048
I haven't really tried the latest versions of Mapster32 so I can not comment, plus iirc it only works for DN3D and Ion Fury

>>6752054
It's basic CSG, once you get into it it's rather fucking easy. Pro tip is to just place down a big fucking Fill Air brush and then build inside it, sort of like trenchbroom style.

>>6751953
Is thief the most boring of all /vr/ games?

>>6752069
No.

>>6752069
Unironically yes.

>>6752067
>The guy who made nBlood was working on updating the map editor but it seems all he's really doing is just adding small QoL improvements. And it still fucking runs in dosbox. Again it's fine and I'd be willing to try but its just a bit off-putting.
That'd be fine with me. The only part that worries me is I've heard that apparently you can't delete sectors once you've placed them because you could screw up your whole map? I'd love to try mapping for Duke or Blood or even Ion Fury but while mapping for DOOM, I create and delete sectors like crazy. Sometimes things just don't work like I want and sometimes I come up with better ways of doing something. I don't want to be punished for that by having my whole map fucked

>>6752113
>The only part that worries me is I've heard that apparently you can't delete sectors once you've placed them because you could screw up your whole map?
Depends on what you mean. You can delete them, but not if theyre around another sector. You have to join them instead. There are a lot of simple things that are done automatically in modern Doom editors but cant be taken for granted in Build.

>>6752113
>>6752115
I still think DromEd would be the easier of the 2 to get into, the build map editor interfaces are just bad. On Newdark DromEd is fucking clean and efficient.

>>6752069
No.
>>6752109
Fuck off contrarian.

>>6752115
>Depends on what you mean. You can delete them, but not if theyre around another sector
Meaning fully wrapped around?
So you join them and then just move the sector points back to where you want them? That's not so bad.

>>6750982
Looks great dude, I like the verticality here

>>6751953
Not retro

SHAMBLER'S LIST

>>6752182

>>6752198
oh yeah I forgot to turn off the texture filtering

>>6752217
Good lad

>>6752182
how offensive to people would it be to make a quake map named like that? I know 4chan niggas would not care, Im asking about the general public here

>>6751897

2048 FEEDBACK, maps 19-24

(all maps pistol start, no saves, ~uv-max (i don't get all secrets, except when needed for all kills). my guess is that's intended.)

19. trifecta
very fun map. i enjoyed the pyramid revenant fight (i did that one first, didn't have plasma); was very fun and surprisingly disorienting. i like the stalactites in the yellow key area (i think someone complained about them in one thread?).


20. baal's coliseum
very fun and creative map. some of the traps a little too plutonia-like for my taste (surprise chaingunners). the archvile fights are cool but after dying on them once, i made sure to basically save all big gun ammo for arch viles and it was fine lol. was fun but that and the traps made this map a little blind-unfriendly? or maybe i'm just bad at doom.

21. tiny fragment
possible bug: it seems the yellow keycard appears twice? There's a yellow keycard and a blue one with the spider mastermind. actually i never found the red key, i ended the level since i had 100% kills and actually i was just running, i was just checking around that corner and thought i'd need a red key to end the map...
Anyway, fun and interesting map; certainly unusual to start with a rocket launcher, and have nothing else for a while!

22. the wretched scythe hole
fun map =) i like the varying heights.

23. for they defiled our waters
kinda softlock: you can't get back to the starting area, in particular to find the opening area secret and get 100% kills.
other than that, extremely enjoyable map =) the two archviles in the pre-cyberdemon fight can get pretty exciting.

24. badass billy's party palace
minor bug: music stopped for a while?
anyway, extremely fun and interesting map =)

>>6752217
God, I love Quake's textures.

>>6752274
Another update to that room.

>>6752351
It's a hall of mirror recreation.

>>6751345
The what now? Give link plz

>2048 still isn't released yet

>>6752364
https://youtu.be/nyp6_0ISW_U

>>6752369
>anime complains about 2048's release again because he wants to play a WAD with softlocks and bugs

>>6752369
who cares you can play it now

beta2 pretty good

>>6752384
Yes. I don't really care if it's buggy. Im not going to autistically nitpick about shit in a map.

>>6752384
the wad is already fun as hell (i'm the anon who posted the maps 1-24 comments in the last two threads)

>>6752398
Then download the beta 2, it's fully playayble.

>>6752351
I know those startan textures are a placeholder, bu this actually looks good, very surreal

lilith.pk3 is an artistic achievement...
it's a shame the level design sucks ass

>>6752351
ok, now it's starting to look a bit messy.. I think it will look better when you fully texturize it though

>>6752419
Does it have those custom weapons?

>>6749637
First release of 2048GUNS.wad
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535235566476853259/747022560574832690/2048GUNS.wad

It should all be done now. Maybe one day I'll do a second release of it with a skin for the BFG9000, perhaps also some added visual effects like ejecting casings, gunsmoke, etc.
For now, it'll be done though, so give it a go.

>>6752441
Oh yeah, there's tweaks for blood color for Baron, Knight, and Caco, as well as few details for Icon Of Sin, so if any of that conflicts with any gore mod or monster mod you want to use or something, go comment that stuff out in the Decorate file.

>>6752441
https://files.catbox.moe/nlnoe0.wad
FTFY

>>6752457
fixed what

Thread for multiplayer >>>/vm/17805

>>6752441
>decorate
It would not be better a dehacked one for all ports?

>>6752470
No, because I don't know DeHacked, also some of this isn't doable for DeHacked. This was always an optional thing for GzDoom users.

>>6752475
Fair enough, I love the sprites btw

>>6752475
>>6752494
I'd be willing to make a dehacked version that approximates the graphics, sounds and behavior with the authors permission.

>>6752430
Thank you. The peg things

>>6752435
I hope so too.

>>6752354
lol.

>>6752430
Thank you. The peg things remind me of spider legs kinda.

>>6752435
I hope so too.

>>6752354
lol.

>>6752527
Would that take longer than two days? If so, then fuck that

>>6752441
Looking good.
Not sure what you did with chainsaw though, couldnt see difference from original.
Also Rocketlauncher screenshake is WAY too much.

>>6752441
It's good, but I'm not sure I like how regular shotfun sounds. Bit too wimpy for my taste, as if it fires birdshot with a suppressor (never do this IRL)

>>6752527
do it anon
getting somewhat improved version of the vanilla guns in dehacked is always appreciated.
IDK how woul,d you do the machinegun (looses accuracy after 4th shot instead of 2nd) and Plasma (gets cooldown after firing only if you shot more than 4 shots, allowing for quick bursts with no reprecussions)

>>6752441
The reload animation of the SSG lacks oomph, it loses all momentum as the weapon opens, it should be a swifter and sharper motion there. Firing animation of the rocket launcher lacks punch too, but the sprite is fucking fantastic and the little reloading bits are slick as hell. The rockets themselves look great, though I feel the shaking from the explosions is a bit too violent.

I like everything else a lot though, the plasma gun not pulling back if you shoot just a little is a nice touch. Pistol being fast as fuck is kinda comfy.

>>6752570
The reason I ask for permission is because inevitably a dehacked version would stray from the original considerably. I'd try my best to emulate what I can but It'd mostly be cosmetic stuff. Since the maps are in boom format I could steal frames from the dog right?
>>6752561
Realistically It would take almost exactly two days.

>>6752590
The dog is MBF format stuff, so you could do it but people will have to play on complevel 11, still, not a big difference.

What do you think about having a starting area as a hub very crowded with various monsters, but side areas somewhat sparsely populated?

>>6752317
>20. baal's coliseum
>very fun and creative map. some of the traps a little too plutonia-like for my taste (surprise chaingunners). the archvile fights are cool but after dying on them once, i made sure to basically save all big gun ammo for arch viles and it was fine lol. was fun but that and the traps made this map a little blind-unfriendly? or maybe i'm just bad at doom.
Thanks anon! One of my main goals was to be as creative as possible with the encounters and traps, I had to use a lot of voodoo scripting to make em, I admit some of the traps border on being cheap and ramp up the difficulty, though difficulty is subjective and some anons enjoyed the challenge. As always, nice to hear some feedback

>>6752274
Not all normalfags are that sensitive.

>>6750136
Thanks for Zestorer recomendation. Really liked it aside from the ending, few "where the fuck am I supposed to go now" moments, and some really weird Quad placement (like placing unavoidable Quad, Pentagram, then telling you "go for it" in a big room... That is empty and has like 3 or 4 basic mooks in it, and only gets repopulated much later. I would have used that quad and penta then... But I can't reach that point without getting them like WTF is even the point.

>>6752527
Can you recommend or point me to some good dehacked tutorials, preferably not in video form? I know decorate and acs pretty well and am starting to get better with zscript but apart from knowing the term, I know nothing about dehacked.

Are there any mods with rhythm game mechanics?

>>6752658
ICH MUSS ZERSTÖÖÖÖÖREEEEEN

>>6752069
Only the most boring of all "respected" /vr/ fps

>>6752274
People "offended" about something are always a very very small minority that's willing to be very vocal because it nets them points
99% don't care but half of them will immediately bow down to criticism

>>6752369
As long as it's being worked on and not ignored I don't care

Cliffside really improved.

>>6751953
Turok is nice.

>>6752069
Pretty much. Thief 1 has also some of the absolutely ugliest textures and models from that era.

>>6752021
BUILD is super easy to build maps for, no matter the incarnation, game or port.

>>6752441
>Boom project
>GZDoom addon
Why do people do this?

>>6752817
Because not everyone knows how to DEHACKED

The fuck does brightmaps do? Is that the thing that makes pickups glow? It never works for me. Do I need to change something in GZdoom settings to make it work?

>>6752817
Some people play shit in GZDoom.
Plus this can be enjoyed as a standalone thing by anyone, so that's cool.

>>6752828
They define which pixels of a texture or sprite have what light level, so that sector shading does not effect the diffuse map, i.e. the lights on a control panel can glow bright even in a pitch black room...or a pick up can be partially illuminated...or you can show bright flashes on an enemy when it fires a weapon instead of turning the entire sprite to full bright during that time.

>>6752861
Well that shit doesn't work for me.

>>6752880
Can't help you with specific things, but I bet that feature is well documented by now.

>>6752643
i certainly enjoyed the challenge =) for 2048, i just run maps blind, saveless, until i beat them, which is maybe a little dumb; a single run with saves to start would have saved all the worst frustrations, i guess

anyway i really enjoyed the map. i wish i could have had the skill/multitasking to fight the arch vile properly (timing the columns with its line-of-sight), but like i said, i just spammed rockets liek an idiot.

>>6752658
may sound kinda lame today, but I'm pretty sure the point of a pent+quad is to just rocket jump really fucking high for a basic rollercoaster-type thrill

>>6752828
>Do I need to change something in GZdoom settings to make it work
anon...

>>6752527
If you can convert the sound and convert the graphics, be my guest.

>>6753007
But there's nowhere to rocketjump to. The room you neet to go next is down and to the left, to disable the force field that holds the gold key, everywhere else you already been to by that point. It is after you go disable force field in a small room, you can go grab the key and the area gets repopulated.

>>6752817
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE AN OPTIONAL BONUS THING JUST FOR FUN!!!

>>6753018
Im not using GZdoom on pc though

>>6753023
I haven't replayed it in a bit, but I think the whole secret(?) was near a window leading outside. it's definitely the level I remember (bunker with the generator), but I could just be wrong.

>>6753038
Yes, it leads outside, where everything is dead, then you go back into big room, go down the stairs to the left and into generator room to disable it, then up the few lifts to get to the gold key, and on the way there like basic grunts and lazer dudes that pose no threat whatsoever. It's only after you get to the gold key does the Shambler spawn, by which point quad and penta wear off.

>>6752441
pretty sure i found some sort of bug. the same thing also happens on 2048 too.

>>6753032
Well then you need to load them like any other file/mod (-file brightmaps.pk3, -file lights.pke for dynamic lights).
They are in separate files.
If you can't load files on whatever device you play it (or it does not support OpenGL) then wtf do you expect.

>>6753045
well yeah, like I said, might seem pointless today, but the context is that it's 1997, RJ is still the hip new thing for the cool kids, and pent+quad in a SP level is a novelty in and of itself, even without a complementary slaughter arena or w/e

>>6753052
I can load wads and .pk3 just fine. But brightmaps doesn't work.

Im playing 2048v2 with the weapons pack

>>6753065
what do you play it on
config
device
OS

>>6753070
You'll laugh and make fun of me.

>>6753076
was it iWatch?

>>6753089
The.... The Nintendo switch is how I play Doom.

>>6753091
Well then you have played yourself

>>6752441
Nice work. It'll be fun replaying the wad with these. I wonder how the maps will play with fast monsters too.

Why are quake 2 mods and maps hard as fuck?
Are Gunners + Gladiator snipers the ultimate asshole combo?

>>6753091
Is there unironically a way to play 2048 on switch?

>>6753163
Gzdoom

>>6753163
Didn't the 3ds have prboom support? You could theoretically get it on there too.

>>6753197
How do you load user wads on that port? I've never been able to figure it out.

>>6752564
Chainsaw just has smoother animations.
Noted on shake for rocket launcher, I think it's fine, but I've seen other complaints.

>>6752570
>(looses accuracy after 4th shot instead of 2nd)
First two shots have perfect accuracy, then if you keep firing the spread increases with each shot until it reaches the full vertical spread of the chaingun, which is like 5 shots. Allows you to squeeze a little bit more performance out of it at some ranges, I suppose, so maybe I'll let it spread out a little bit faster.

>>6752584
>The reload animation of the SSG lacks oomph, it loses all momentum as the weapon opens, it should be a swifter and sharper motion there.
Probably. I was actually running out of frames, the original SSG normally animates for 57 frames (excluding the 6 last frames which you can skip by holding down fire), and I had to cut frame lengths here and there so that it wasn't way slower.

I'll see if I can tweak them some.

>Firing animation of the rocket launcher lacks punch too
Which part? The recoil? The Muzzleflash?

>>6752817
Because I can. Don't play it if you don't want to.

>>6753049
It'd help if you stated what problem you were having.
I see the original shotgun sprite there, and that shouldn't be there with the mod. When I play, I see the pickup sprites for both shotguns. Are you sure you don't have something in autoload or something?


Taking all these notes into account.

>>6749637
holy fuck, 2048 map 29 ("black crest") is a masterpiece

props to whichever anon made that

Why doesn't the chaingun slot in after the pistol and before the shotgun? Stupid.

>>6753223

>>6753271
What, in vanilla Doom? Probably because you got the shotgun before the chaingun, playing progressively

>>6753276
>>6753223
very annoying when you fire the gun continuously

>>6753252
It's hard, I'll give it that. Real easy to corner yourself and get punched to death by skeletons.

>>6752590
>>6752593
I don't think anyone has used Commander Keen or the SS Nazi in any of the 2048 maps, so gut those guys for frames

>>6753302
Fair point.

>>6753307
Lunchlunch's maps use the SS nazis in their secrets.

>>6753305
i've only beaten it with saves so far =(

>>6753305
the part that kills me is the blue key area.

>>6753310
Reducing shake radius to match the explosion + maybe 10-15% of that, as well as reducing intensity to ~20% of the current one should do the trick.

>>6753302
why does the missile launch from the sides?

>doomtuber
>doesn't turn off texture filtering
>uses hardware acceleration instead of software rendering
Civvie, gman, and icarus are all fucking hacks. Honestly, how can they expect people to consume their opinions if they can't even turn off the shitty defaults of their source ports?

Does anyone have statistic of dimesions of Vanilla maps? Like how wide and tall they are in pixels?

I can just open them in editor, naturally, but there's too many.

>>6753364
because the screenshake rumbling effect moves your camera around in worldspace, shifting it sideways from where the shot originates from

>>6753373
looks kinda stupid imo

>>6753393
it looks ok when done right, but not in this case lol

>>6753369
>Like how wide and tall they are in pixels?
depends on your resolution
i guess you meant in units

>>6753367
they're reviewing the game/mod itself, they don't have to cater to autistics 'round here who dislike pixel smoothing.

>>6753223
sorry for the late response, but i think the shotgun bug might've been caused by 2 things.
1. i loaded in valve after 2048guns.
2. the idle shotgun sprite uses SHOTA0, which is the pickup sprite for the vanilla shotgun.

>>6753471
But if they actually like/play they games, wouldn't they take the 10 seconds to not make it look like shit? Pixel soothing is almost universally despised.

>>6753367
Texture filtering I can understand, but what is wrong with hardware acceleration?

>>6753539
"You can't like the game if you're aesthetic preferences differ to mine"

Autist.

>>6752441
Looks nice but I don't like the RL's shaking effect and Q1 ranger's grunts

>>6753571
Except texture filtering is objectively a downgrade and everyone shits on gzdoom for enabling it by default

There's a version of PrBoom+ on Sourceforge and one on Github, the one on Sourceforge is linked from the Doom Wiki but hasn't been updated since 2017, the one on Github has been updated in 2019 by Graf Zahl but before that the last update was on 2016

What is the recommended version and has it been abandoned?

>>6753367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCTpwLdYQA&t=3m07s
remember folks, it only takes a few seconds to disprove shitpostings like this, do your part. make this board a better place. (because the mods sure as shit aren't going to)

How do you guys calibrate the brightness of your games? My brightness is a notch above the default in GZDoom, but I've noticed in the last few maps I've played in TNT that there are quite a few places that are so dark I have to use the minimap to move and shoot (the screen is totally black).

I could see that being used rather sparingly, but this has been happened on 5 or 6 maps of the 20 or so I've done, so I am wondering if it is too dark or if I am playing as intended. Here is a screenshot with my back against the last elevator from those corridors at the start of Ballistyx (TNT MAP26). On my screen, the floor texture is scantly visible.

>>6753626
prBoom+ was feature complete and needed no updates.
The mouse issue some people are having happen because some Windows 10 update fucked something up in default mouse driver to make smoothing go haywire when old input methods were used as in prBoom. New update fixes that too.

If you look at release comments, the Zahl update adds UMAPINFO and DEHEXTRA support.

UMAPINFO releases restrictions on what map should follow after what, where secret exits can be and so on, as well as allow custom map screen.

DEHEXTRA adds a lot of new dummy things, sprites and codepointers so one does not have to vandalise existing actors to make new ones.

It does not compromise anything else prBoom had, including demo compatibility.

The 2048 Brightmaps don't seem to load at all in GZDoom, I've tried disabling any other brightmaps but they don't appear. Can anyone else get them to show up?

>>6753571
t. Butthurt zoomer who got used to the crappy defaults

>>6753670
on your shot, I can easily see the floor and the walls with slightly washed-out blacks.
if the levels are crushed at the monitor/driver level, there's no guarantee the game gamma will be able to fix things. so make sure you do this first: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
past that, some maps are just intended to be dark.

>>6753736
Thank you so much for that link. Your picture was entirely black until square 20 on my screen, and I found a setting on my monitor called "HDMI Black Level" which was set to "Low". Setting it to "Normal" lets me see every square. No other brightness/gamma settings on my monitor made a difference but that one.

Went back to GZDoom, dropped the brightness back down to 1.0, and now I have perfect color distribution.

These Doom threads have saved my ass more than everything else on this site combined, so thanks again for the tip.

>>6753670
gl_lightmode=2 //Doom lightmode. Not as dark as Software/vanilla, but still has good ccontrast and lightspot around player like original
You are either not using it, or have gl_fogmode" 0" because othrwise walls around you would've been slightly lit.

vid_gamma 1.18
vid_contrast 1.16
vid_brightness 0.176
vid_saturation 1.15 //to combat the desaturation caused by brightness and gamma

^this results in roughly same light/dark contrast, but everything is brighter and more colorful

gl_fogmode CVAR affects not only fog effects but also natural darkening of distant areas that is present in Doom, as well as lightspot around player in Doom lightmode. I usually have a toggle bound to turn it on/off. It increases contrast between light and dark, but can make some dark areas beyond lightspot harder to see.

>>6753782
I have currently:
gl_lightmode=3
gl_fogmode=1
vid_gamma=1
vid_contrast=1
vid_saturation=1
vid_brightness=0

I'll tweak those now that my monitor seems to be working as I was expecting to have been. Thanks for the tips and the sample shots. Using a toggle key is a clever idea.

>>6753803
>gl_lightmode=3
It's called "Dark" for a reason. And you were complaining that you game is dark lol.
IIRC Its mostly the same as gl_lightmode=2 (Doom), but without the lightspot, and fog setting makes distant things darker faster (similar to Vanilla)

>>6753670
Just change the hardware mode to software. True-colored lighting is awful. It removes all depth and contrast and looks more sterile in comparison.

>>6753834
>washed-out textures and light banding is better than truecolor lighting
Nostalgia is a helluva drug

>>6752021
I know a fair bit about MAPEDIT, here's a post I made some threads ago about starting out with blood mapping. I wont repost it because its a huge wall of text (it's the second entry)

>>/vr/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=mapedit

If you guys are interested, I could setup a per-configured dosbox for Blood mappin'.

>>6752049
Blood's trigger system is unique. Instead of using spites for effects like in Duke, you use TX and RX id's for them, sort of like tags in doom.

>>6751987
Agreed

>>6753880
It's just details. If you know BUILD, MAPEDIT isn't an obstacle at all.

>>6753907
For sure, It just seems like people hate having to use dosbox for map creation.

>>6753878
???
Truecolor lighting is a lot washed than software, wtf are you talking about?

>>6753934
I used vanilla BUILD for so many years, I honestly don't care anymore.

>>6753878
You are objectively wrong. The software render have better contrast

>>6753938
>>6753946
Interesting. Is the colorspace incorrectly managed under OGL or what?

>>6753878
Light banding is great to create atmosphere imo. Lighting is also more realistic as the human eye doesn't retain colors in the darkness.

>>6753938
Your software loks helluva wrong as well

>>6753878
Light diminishing is s a defining part of Doom's unique aesthetics and levels are designed to look good with it. And you often get a more vivid look in software as a result of its limitation.

>>6753992
Try to play it on a real software render, smartass

>>6753992
>>6753998
You reduced the contrast for software and increased it for hardware (and still looks like crap). We are not idiots mate.

>>6754012
It's a Crispy you inbred imbecille

>>6754030
So remove the gamma you idiot

>>6754028
thats letirally the same preset as >>6753782
I just have it on all the time and it looks fairly good for me. not THAT much different from vanilla as to bother me.

these
>>6754030
>>6753992
Are Crispy Heretic screenshots.
You can get same screenshots by launching Crispy and typing in "engage 38"

Guess you ARE idiots here mate.

>>6754030
I think there's something wrong with your Cripsy. It's not how it looks on my monitor.

>>6754047
Nope, contrast was artificially increased, you can see it by the Elven Wand sprite

>>6754057
Not only that but still looks like crap lol

>>6754057
thats on the GZDoom screenshot. Which is tweaked.
Which is the point of a tweak. To make it look better.

Crispy screenshots are unaltered in any way

>>6754070
Still looks ugly as hell dude. Artificial contrasting doesn't make it look better imo.

>>6754085
This. Gzdoom contrast settings are more or less like a photoshop filter that you applies to the entire game. Sometimes it may look good but it will also distort other colors because there's no light diminishing control whatsover. Software lighting is still more organic imo.

>>6754085
>>6754115
Here without contrast still does not look as bad as
>>6754012
>>6753938
tries to claim
because that absolute moron applied Doom palette to Heretic

Are we really getting autistic about blues and shadows now?

>>6754124
forgot to flip the lightmode

>>6754124
>because that absolute moron applied Doom palette to Heretic
Nope, that is an altered Heretic palette you idiot: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/110437-heresypal-a-new-palette-for-heretic-on-idgames/

>>6754135
Looks awful

>>6754148
talking about >>6754012
screenshot
"palete" tonemap applies default Doom palette in any instance which you can see on the left of that scren

>>6754156
the shit on the right (software you so proud of) looks oversaturated as hell too
but feel free to enjoy your own brand of retardation I guess.

>>6754167
the blue wall specifically

>>6754135
Colors are all wrong. Looks like shit.

>>6754167
Your attempt of recreate it on hardware looks like crap compared to the original dude.

>>6754135
this is the same stage in gzdoom using doom software renderer

>>6754191
and the blues all crunched together

>>6754191
Nice try retard. Take it with the full light and stop being an idiot

>>6754208
Looks a lot better

>>6754208
SOUL

>>6754135
SOULLESS

>>6753317
Well, fuck.

>>6753367
>>uses hardware acceleration instead of software rendering
I like hardware rendering better, but linear filtering can go die.

>>6754225

>>6754208
SALT

>>6754135
SALTLESS

>I am too autistic to understand that people have different preferences to me: the thread

>>6754124
>>6754135
Vastly prefer this to the color banding and color bleeding in software mode. You guys do what you feel like though.

>>6754208
Does anyone here besides you care, autistic dipshit?

>>6753938
According to something Graf posted, the Heretic devs must've fine-tuned their colormap (that defines the shades of brightness for each color in the palette), unlike Doom's automatically-generated colormap.

>>6754208
>>6754135
I made a choppy gif. Software definitely looks better: The walls are more vibrant and colors looks more natural.

>>6754129
Mods have abandoned /vr/, so you don't get rid of annoying people when they engage in various shitposting. For now this guy is going to complain about how people aren't playing Doom just like he remembered, later on he'll go on some tirade about trannies, or Half-Life.

>>6754285
Perfect.

>>6754287
Let people discuss things, goddamit

>>6753878
It's not nostalgia. Software render is the original render aka the way the artist\level designer envisioned. Contrast tends to look better on software and it's more atmospheric as well. Just my opinion though

>>6754285
There's various lightmodes to play around with too.

>>6754297
Some of this discussion is genuine, other is very much not in good faith.

>>6754285
Look at how ugly the ceiling is in software though

>>6754307
But this is the one the anon tried in order to "emulate" the software look (the others are even worse in terms of depth and contrast).

>>6754285
That's it. Software looks a lot better.

>>6754282
then we need a screenshot of DOS heretic

>>6754336
Any software renderer uses the games colormap, not just dos.

>>6754282
Doesn't matter imo. Doom on hardware mode is also very washed-out.

>>6754254
I thought nu-doom community is cringy and bad, but reading this thread is even worse.

>>6754373
It's alright, people are just discussing art design. Go back to /v/ if you don't like tho

>>6754383
that's not art design.

>>6754405
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pt/dicionario/ingles/design

>>6754373
at least some people here can be aware of it and try to fight it
we don't have an upvote system to determine the "right" posts

>>6754405
It is, to certain extent. Doesn't matter tho, I prefer when people discuss things rather than being silenced.

why the fuck does does this exit/crash on startup?

specifically the setup program, chocolate itself works fine

run as admin does nothing

>Oh my god.... he uses hardware accelerated render, look at those dark blue palettes, holy shit... literally UNPLAYABLE i need to wash my hands 100 times and counting out loud after watching this picture

>>6750960
Still waiting for TNT and Plutonia to be playable on GBA

Give me the best vanilla friendly weapon packs that make the gunplay more satisfying while retaining vanilla weapon balance/stats. Not talking about smooth doom and stuff like that, just straight up reskins and sound replacements

>>6754508
>I'm angry
>ANGRY ABOUT GAY SOAP

>>6754285
I prefer the software look as well

>>6753681
>prBoom+ was feature complete and needed no updates.
Wrong, generalized walkover crusher functions are broken, and that's something that PrBoom+ should have fixed from the beginning. I understand that this can lead to conflicts with older maps and older demos, but I think that can be solved by defining new complevels.

If the mouse issue can be resolved by just updating the software, I think there's no reason not to. Sourceports which people actively use should be maintained so that they continue to function as times change.

>UMAPINFO releases restrictions on what map should follow after what, where secret exits can be and so on, as well as allow custom map screen.
I think this is a good feature for flexibility. If I can make Doom 1 style episodes but with Doom 2 monsters and features, along with even letting me make my own map screen, that's cool as hell, and I would really love to do some work with that.

>DEHEXTRA adds a lot of new dummy things, sprites and codepointers so one does not have to vandalise existing actors to make new ones.
Granted, I've never worked with it, but I thought that was what .BEX did?

Play Endless Madness
https://streamable.com/t8mx7y