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I cant say its the most overrated but I think its not as good as some people say it is

I never really "got" zelda, never seemed that interesting to me

If anything, Zelda is underrated by nerds, because they're always trying to flex their gamer cred by bolstering some "hidden gem" like Legacy of Kain, which just isn't as good when you actually sit down and play it.

>>6742405
true, those "as good as zelda" or "the zelda of console xy" recommendations never hold up to it

>>6742374

Drake grooms 13 year olds.

nah, only ALTTP is

>>6742419
Yeah, they're usually better than Zelda which I really appreciate. Zelda games are so slow and heavy on the hand holding, combat is never good enough to be satisfying and puzzles are braindead. At best the dungeons "flow well" in that each area is an appropriately escalating challenge but it becomes extremely predictable with how they basically all escalate in the same way.

>>6742420
I bet he fingered the stranger things girl

>>6742374
Nintendo games have always been about polish. Any Nintendo game that's worth a fuck has that extra sheen of "everything works the way it's supposed to", and that's why they're praised so highly. So no, Zelda isn't overrated. All of the mainline entries are extremely refined from a functional standpoint, and that's enough to make them classics.

>>6742436
hahaha, oh jeez you're serious aren't you..

>>6742436
>a kid bicycle with sidewheels is better than a adult sized bike because you won't fall

>>6742463
>If I just act condescending, I can pretend I know better than everyone else
>>6742465
>a bicycle with gears is better than one without because it functions much more efficiently and effectively

>>6742465
A well manufactured kid's bike is in fact better than an adult's bike made of jagged rusty metal with wheels that fall off.

>>6742374
OoT, yes absolutely.

But aLttP is to consoles as Deus Ex is to the PC, the best there ever was innit.

>>6742374
If we're really going to go there, then Mario, Sonic, and DOOM are easy contenders.

Final Fantasy. Most of the games aren't even good, or as good as competing franchises (many of which are also made by Square).

>>6742401
Same here

This masterpiece of a game is better than all shitty zeldas combined.

It's overrated if youre a zoomer fag who literally has no fucking clue what they are talking about. Zelda literally invented action-rpg you moron.

Majora's mask ruined everything.
>repeat enemies
>repeat models
>repeat songs
>repeat bosses
>easier bosses and easier in general
>half of the usual dungeon count from pre-MM
>half the usual enemy count from pre-MM
>most items being reused

Yeah, SOME of these things happened for LTTP, Awakening, and OOT, but MM made it normal. Everyone has a hard on for it because "muh story" and the 2 good dungeons it has but MM was the beginning of the end for the series.

>>6742559
If you ignore the two principle gimmicks of the game which are the time system, and the transformation masks.

>>6742559
ocarina of time ruined everything by going 3d

>>6742374
Much as I enjoy the series, it always falls just shy of my desires. But nothing else comes close. Zelda is the best example of its genre. Its clones over emphasize aspects that only serve to hurt their overall structure.

>>6742613
you mean redeemed 3D and made it based

>>6742374
You would have to be a stupid nigger like drake to like that shitty Zelda clone.

I dunno but if Zelda triggers hipster poser kids, then Zelda is good.

>>6742374
Why are there so many hipsters on /vr/ these days?

>>6742482
Name a better 3D action game than OoT when it comes to swordplay, exploration and controls, from 1998 or earlier. I’d love to hear what conveniently forgotten “gems” you drudge out of obscurity.

>>6743719
Ultima Underworld
System Shock
Strife
Daggerfall
Bioforge

>>6743719
Listen you poser parrot zoomer faggot, nobody liked OoT or MM when they came out in the 90s, they looked like shit, played like shit and everybody coming from 2D games/consoles fucking hated the controls and couldn't get used to them.

It wasn't until the 6th generation that 3D Zelda's became playable, WW and TP are vastly superior games to OoT and MM in every respect, to say they've aged badly would be disingenuous only for the fact they where proto-3D trash to begin with.

>>6743826
>nobody liked OoT or MM when they came out in the 90s
Not the anon you're replying to and I'm sure you're likely baiting but just 2 things:
1. OOT was universally acclaimed
2. MM came out in the year 2000

>>6743723
BASED PC-bro, and they all where released before Shitorina of Crap kekekek!

>>6742645
zoom zoom

>>6742374
anything nintendo is overated.

>>6742405
this. it's mostly contrarianism. but i do think that the GBC zeldas are much better than alttp after replaying them all

>>6743826
Jesus Christ man just stop

>>6742374
>prefering isometric trash
LOL

>>6744046
S E E T H E

>>6742482
>LttP
>arguable the worst 2D zelda
I will never understand the nostalgia boner for this insipid game.

>>6744442
>a lot of people like old game that I don't like, therefore their enjoyment must stem from nostalgia

Leave this place faggot and never return.

>>6742559
MM had two good dungeons? Stone Tower was alright but nothing to write home about.

Both these games are fucking amazing. Why we gotta fight though the Zelda franchise has sucked major ass post-Oracles Lady Stalker translation fucking when bros

>>6743826
Kek, way to expose yourself.s

>>6742613
This. Majora feels like the proper 3D successor to LttP and LA, anyway.

>>6744446
I've played all the 2D zelda's you cock gobbling faggot. LttP is one of the worst.

>>6744453
This is just a shitposting website until mods actually start enforcing the "no trolling outside of /b/" "no instigating a flame war" "no low effort/low quality posts" and "no off topic posts" rules. We literally cannot have nice things anymore because the mods won't do anything about it and everyone here is just naturally combative and shit headed to each other all the time.

>>6744453
WW was better than MM, so I disagree.

>>6744460
I don't care about your shit taste, but if you think a game was only popular due to nostalgia you need to go the fuck back where you came.

>>6744471
>if you think a game was only popular due to nostalgia
>what are things I never said
It was popular because it was Zelda 1 with 16 bit graphics and more than five lines of dialogue. It pales in comparison to the 2D zeldas that came after it, and it had none of the groundbreaking originality of zelda 1.

>>6744495
There are really still Zelda 1 hipsters in 2020?

>>6744495
>what are things I never said
see
>>6744442
>I will never understand the nostalgia boner for this insipid game.
You don't belong here.

>>6744501
Hardy my favorite but vastly more important than LttP.

>>6744502
Learn to read, retard.

>>6744510
>more important
Utterly meaningless buzzword.

>>6744510
>You're just not reading it right
Ok Faggot.
Go ahead and keep throwing around buzzwords and pretending you never said them.

>>6744470
>Triforce hunting
>changing items and sailing becomes as cumbersome and tedious as the equipment system of OoT
>janked-up physics
>as few or fewer dungeons than in MM
>better
Yeah nah

>>6744525
Also no more transforming into different characters and using their unique powers.

>>6742532
"no"

>>6744515
Okay, how about this one: better.

>>6744516
Okay, retard. I never said it was only popular due to nostalgia. That's retarded; it was popular before nostalgia was even possible. It continues to be heralded as some high point in the series by retards with nostalgia goggles despite much better 2D zeldas having been released since.

>>6744525
>Triforce hunting
I'm fine with it, but I won't say your complaint is unfounded.
>changing items and sailing becomes as cumbersome and tedious as the equipment system of OoT
Nothing wrong with the changing items compared to any other post-LA Zelda, and the sailing is not an issue once you get the Ballad of Gales
>janked-up physics
Utter nonsense.
>as few or fewer dungeons than in MM
What are you smoking that you remember WW having less than four dungeons that can be completely explored, including the great fairy pieces, in less than an hour on your first run through? No Zelda is as dungeon-poor as MM.

>>6744578
>wind waker zoomer is also a zelda 1 poser
This is disgusting.

>>6742374
>/vr/ franchise
So /vr/ created these games? Woah I didn't expected that

>>6744582
WW doesn't even make my top 3 zeldas, worthless tryhard.

>>6744634
Tryhard is an interesting insult coming from the person saying LTTP is "insipid"

>>6744578
Only responding to two of your replies, as your other two are retarded and asinije
>Nothing wrong with the changing items compared to any other post-LA Zelda, and the sailing is not an issue once you get the Ballad of Gales
Having to play that every fucking time you need to change direction is absolute tedious bullshit. Epona or the fucking Goron rolling thing this is not.
>>janked-up physics
>Utter nonsense.
Unlike in the 64 Zeldas, the camera jerks whenever you sidejump during -Targeting. That's jank.

>>6742374
no, but that canook nig-jew is.
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>>6744460
philistines
>>6742420
>>6744462
based

>>6744578 #
Only responding to two of your replies, as your other two are retarded and asinine
>Nothing wrong with the changing items compared to any other post-LA Zelda, and the sailing is not an issue once you get the Ballad of Gales
Warping is in MM, too, and is even easier. Regardless, this doesn't change the fact that 90% of sea travel in WW requires having to play a song every fucking time you need to change direction. Absolute tedious bullshit. Epona or the fucking Goron rolling thing this is not.
>>janked-up physics
>Utter nonsense.
Example: Unlike in the 64 Zeldas, the camera jerks whenever you sidejump during L-Targeting. That's jank.

>>6744667
Thank you for your non-statement.

>>6744685
>having to play a warp song is tedious bullshit, but the exact same thing in other games insn't
Okay, retard.
Unlike in the 64 Zeldas, the camera jerks whenever you sidejump during
Show me.
>>6744696
>Example: Unlike in the 64 Zeldas, the camera jerks whenever you sidejump during L-Targeting. That's jank.
Why would you comment on this when you haven't the vaguest clue of what "physics" means?

>tfw ywn fuck Friday
:C

>>6742401
It's a game, what's there to get?

Just about every Zelda "clone" is more interesting than actual Zelda.

>>6742420
He sounds so petty in all his songs. What kind of soft bitch rapper tries to make me feel sorry for him as his main selling point. Wah this stripper I gave money to love me actually just used me for my fame

>>6742427
Yea the problem is they are too well crafted for your experience which is the same for everyone else. The first Zelda gave the player more freedoms for style of play

>>6742465
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>>6742480
You get bikes in Pokemon not Zelda but I can understand the confusion

>>6743826
Never even knew Zelda existed when oot came out, I was too busy playing kino games like twisted metal and tekken with my normie friends

>>6742532
That game? That boring little piece of shit?

>>6745068
>seething nintenyearold

>tries to shit on LttP
>OoT gets ass blasted instead
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6745071
>seething contrarian little homo

>>6744054
Based and truthpilled

>greentext green wojak drake meme greentext seething pedophile jank

>>6744453
You can't even jump in Lady Stalker wtf is the point :(

I recently found out Alundra is made by members of Climax that went on to Matrix and Alundra 2 is way, way more like Land Stalker than Alundra is. It's actually great and I avoided it because I always heard how bad it is.

>>6742374
Zelda's dungeon puzzles are still unmatched, few games replicate it good enough.

>>6745034
Short and easy

>>6745483
I do notice people say Alundra 2 is apparently this terrible game. I dunno, every time I see it looks like it would be pretty fun. Is it just very different from the first?

>>6745509
>push the block
>the door opens
zelda puzzles are butt

>>6745537
that's what she said

>>6745537
like ur mum

>>6745476
Oh fuck

>>6742405
>Zelda is underrated

>>6744501
I can appreciate Zelda 1 and 2, because they're very unique experiences compared to what came later. ALttP is the first iteration of modern Zelda, and ends up feeling lacking in a lot of ways compared to the games that succeeded it.

>>6742374
I have Zelda 1 & 2 and Zelda for GB.

>>6745610
By nerds, yes.

>>6746996
what's a nerd?

>>6745551
>zelda puzzles are butt
tihs, it's unfuckinbeliave that everytime praise puzzles in a non puzzle game that it's always mindnubmling easy

Okami's another fucking one. Fucking Okami. For years people tell "fucking best Zelda game ever, bro. You gotta play Okami". And then I play it and... Yeah, it's okay.
Funnily, Darksiders was actually a pretty on-point Zelda clone, and no one ever mentions it. Probably because it wasn't a Sony exclusive.

>>6747020
Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons.

>>6742436
This is true, and I've always felt the same. They delivered a lot of unfinished games, like The Wind Waker, BUT there isn't a single flaw with what they delivered in terms of how the game was supposed to function. There are these little details everywhere.

>>6747020
>What's a nerd
You

I think the Zelda games like Legend of Zelda and Link's Awakening aren't overrated. They're legit good. A few titles are though. Honestly don't see the appeal of Squidward Sword.

>>6745034
Final Fantasy Adventure is a better Zelda game than most Zelda titles. But a lot of shit that gets mentioned here really isn't better than The Legend of Zelda.

>>6747045
What's wrong Zeldagirl? Run out actual arguments?

>>6747640
I almost said Millhouse.

>>6747590
I like FFA but that's bullshit.

>>6742374
final fantasy and it's not close

Madden unironically. Lets get real here

>>6747707
I liked FFA more than lot of Zelda games because it wasn't so puzzle heavy, and the main focus was just adventuring. I guess it depends on what you're looking for in a Zelda title. Yeah, I know most of them were filled with puzzle heavy dungeons, but I prefer just pure adventure. I liked BOTW for that very reason.

I mean, there were dungeons in the game with puzzles, but they weren't mandatory. The only ones that were, were the beasts you had to destroy.

>>6747725
>i don't really like Zelda games
>i like BotW for that very reason

At least your honest about it and don't start thinking your suddenly some kind of authority on Zelda coming up with utter nonsense "top 10 Zelda games" all over the place with ofc BotW #1.

So I totally respect that, for me it's the other way around, I hate BotW BECAUSE I like Zelda and it's traditional conventions. I'd be fine if they released the game under a different name, I'd still find it tedious and likely not play it, but at least I knew that it wouldn't be the game I waited 6 years for and had to wait another 6 to see if the next one was good.

With the abysmal string of SS (fucking motion control gimmick fad ruined it), BotW (Zelda in name only) and (by popular new Zelda non-fan demand) fucking BotW2, Zelda has become Disney Star Wars for me and a lot of traditional fans. At least the Links Awakening remake was pure distilled traditional Zelda bliss, performance issues aside.

>>6747848
Dude I'm the first to admit I'm not a huge Zelda fan, but it's not like there were never any Zelda games that weren't heavily puzzle based. If I recall, Zelda 1 and 2 were like that. And I don't know where you got the idea that I'm implying I'm an expert on the subject. I think you'd be surprised how much you would enjoy BOTW. It's got a huge, well crafted world with lots to explore and do. It also has good combat. Also, I liked Link's Awakening anon. I could actually die in it. It's got a nice overworld and dungeons are a challenge to survive.

>>6747984
- Zelda 1 was designed around limited dev/design experience and you having to buy a guide, buy Nintendo Power or call their tip-hotline, so the it wasn't really about puzzels as much as you paying extra for not getting stuck. It the most common complain about the game and Metroid and a lot of early NES games where like that. They sometimes get referred to as "Nintendo Power games"

- Zelda 2 was aiming to capitalize on the popularity and demand for platformers, it's a good entry on the system but not necessarily in the franchise, that's at least it's most common complaint.

- A Link to the Past is so special and highly regarded because it's the game that defined and set all the conventions of what a Zelda game is and all the main-line (and a lot of side-line) games in the franchise followed this formula up until BotW.

So you perhaps now see why a lot of Zelda fans where not happy with BotW taking such a departure from those thoroughly established conventions. But hey, it's fair to perhaps criticize us trad-fans for wanting the same fucking thing over and over again with a little bit variation of in aesthetics and the tech driving it, and Aonuma said they wanted to purposely break all the set conventions and create something new with this game, I get that.

But the thing that pisses off longtime fans of that particular brand of Zelda is when these assholes, who've never really got, liked or even played Zelda, suddenly start proclaiming "BEST. ZELDA. EVER." and insists this is what the "fans always wanted" ...then they announce BotW 2, and you know it's all over.

I've been a couple of rounds with BotW, believe me I've tried, at first it was this slow setting feeling of "what. the. fuck. have. they. done." dread, to hatred, apathy and then trying to enjoy it as non-Zelda game. But even then it's just mediocre, I love Bethesda open world exploration games, but this feels more like a empty, void Ubisoft game with a constant No Man's Sky item/resource grind.

>>6748248
I wouldn't call BOTW mediocre, and I say this as someone who doesn't like Bethesda open world games all that much. BOTW was one of the first open world games that could hold my attention
All the shit you could find, stuff like that secret location with all the guardians, the mazes, the physics which allowed you to experiment quite a bit. BOTW was sort of a "make your own fun game" but did it in way a game like Odyssey couldn't quite achieve. But to each his own I suppose. I would say Monolith expertly crafted the world, and made it better than a lot of open world games. But I guess I can understand your hatred of it.

btw, I completed Metroid NES without a guide or even drawing a map. I would say it's a lot more doable than a game like Castlevania 2, which forces you to do the most fucktarded shit (duck to get some tornado to sweep you up while holding some crystal ball. wtf).

>>6748271
Sorry, meant to say one of the FEW open worlds that could hold my attention. I've played others before that.

>>6748276
Hell I wouldn't even equate BOTW to no man's sky. That game literally copypastes planets and calls them new. BOTW's environments are unique.

I love Alundra.

The only Zelda I've played is BotW, so I have no real say. I just wanted to say that, I love Alundra.

>>6747984
He specifically complimented you on not acting like a Zelda expert. Anyway, prior to BotW, having a bunch of dungeons focusing on puzzles was one of the most distinct hallmarks of the franchise, basically second only to Link being the PC. FFA doesn't follow the Zelda formula, so saying it's a better Zelda game than most Zeldas makes zero sense.

>>6748298
Given that a big part of Zelda games is adventure, I would say it's an apt comparison. And prior to A Link to the Past, it wasn't puzzle heavy. To say FFA didn't draw inspiration from it at the very least is incorrect. It definitely takes a lot of cues from it. Many adventure games like it did so during that generation. I don't think it makes zero sense to consider it very similar to the first one.

>>6748347
I understand that most Zelda games are puzzle heavy, and yeah, I'm not a big Zelda fan, I admit that. But I do think that the first one is the gold standard, and games like it are the ideal.

In the context of what Zelda is now, it's true, it isn't a better Zelda game, because it isn't puzzle-centric. In the context of what Zelda was for a little bit. I do think it's at least equal or better.

>>6742374
No, I think Zelda games prove to be gems for whichever generation they’re released. Nintendo are insanely consistent, and we’re very lucky to have them.

>>6748362
I also believe that Nintendo pioneered this type of game, and set the standard for generations. I mean, it wasn't LITERALLY the first one, but they put this genre on the map. It wasn't just puzzles that set it apart. The worlds they crafted in games like Link's Awakening were amazing, and many developers took inspiration from them.

I do have a question for Zelda fans though. Do you not care how the world is crafted? Is it really all just about the puzzles? If the game had no overworld and was literally just puzzles, would you be okay with this?

Legitimately curiois

>>6748391
*curious

The only thing I hate about Land Stalker is that retarded jump sound. Is there any hack that removes that?

>>6742374
Landstalker is annoying at times, the forest maze and final dungeon are particularly good examples of stupid bullshit.
Still worth a playthrough, and Alundra is far better. Though Alundra suffers from stupid shit thanks to Working Designs.
I fucking love Zelda and I see merit in any game that tries to follow the formula.

>>6742374
The music in it makes me cringe.
How many times will Nintendo remix that shit and make it more and more gay with each entry?

>>6742427
>Yeah, they're usually better than Zelda which I really appreciate.
Yeah honestly why would I play Zelda when I can play Action RPG's like Soul Blazer, Terranigma, Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3 etc.?
Zelda is so boring compared to those games.

>>6748391
I like both. I still enjoyed SS which did away with most of the overworld, so I can deal with that.

>>6749708
Not even the same genre.

>>6749713
The only difference is a little bit more RPG mechanics.
Soul Blazer is pretty close to Zelda, the RPG mechanics in it are extremely light(mostly just leveling up like Zelda 2) yet it's much more fun.

>>6742405
Third post best post.

>>6749742
And when it comes to Zelda 2, wonder boy 3, Wonder Boy in Monster World and Monster World 4 are far better games that take some of the foundation from Zelda 2 and actually make it genuinely fun and interesting.

>>6748391
I used to care, a lot, but they never cared. Except when Koizumi was working on the series.

OoT is full of flaws. But in TWW they basically assumed they didn't care.

>>6742405
This. In action-adventure game terms it's absolute peak of the genre, hands down.
It does have normalfag tier clout to it though so there's no shortage of retarded shit surrounding it, as evidenced by them actually accepting botw as a good game.

>>6742374
no, metroid is

>>6745039
Torontofag here. Drake was born into a wealthy Jew family, was always a rich fake rapper. Currently resides in the wealthiest Jew neighborhood in the city.
Mazel tov

>>6742374
Landstalker is gorgeous, but a VERY flawed game.
>sword has shit range
>sword does not clip through objects or walls
>sword upgrades are shit except the Sword of Gaia which you get very late in-game
>awkward as fuck movement in a game that absolutely demands precision
>no fucking depth perception or shadow depth in a game about precise jumps
>fuckton of enemies that can move faster than you, effortlessly block/dodge your attacks, teleport, use unblockable projectiles, or just become untouchable because fuck you
>equipment that you'll only use in 1 or 2 rooms like the Snow Boots or Fireproof Boots which you again get VERY late in the game
>dragged out punishments for falling into a pit that makes you climb all the way back to the spot you fell at instead of just simply losing a heart
>everything about the Crypt that would absolutely filter anyone that doesn't know of American history or pop culture

>>6745483
The point is that it's a fun game that I would like to play and is a loose sequel to one of my most favorite games of all time. Alundra is good shit, though, don't get me wrong.

>>6752001
And yet it's a pretty easy game despite all of this.