/vr/ - Retro Games

HL sucks.

Quake sucks. It's literally one of the worst franchises ever made.
>1 is all about bullet sponge enemies and lazy levels made with 3 textures.
>2 is generic alien shooter with regular levels
>3 is a failed attempt to rip off UT99
>4 is a slightly improved Doom 3
>Enemy Territory is id Software's store brand Battlefield
>Champions is Overwatch for Boomers.

Imagine being a Quake fan. I would literally kill myself right now.

=== ONGOING PROJECT ===

2048 Units of /vr/
-New submissions are now closed, currently in beta phase.
Link to BETA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpupk5jc9intyu3/2048unitsvrBETA.zip?dl=1

=== NEWS ===
[8-11] Boomer Con
https://youtu.be/7S71Gib5Hdo

[8-11] KMQuake gets updates
http://www.markshan.com/knightmare/

[8-11] Reelism 2 v0.5 Early Excess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKynvrDxqmk

[7-31] E1M1 Multiverse released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115093-e1m1-multiverse-release-24/

[7-30] /v/ anons released Unreal championship 2, UT 2004 and Unreal 2 The Awakening souce codes
>>>/v/519146380

[7-29] Bridgeburner releases Bastion of Chaos for GZDoom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116003-bastion-of-chaos-public-beta-by-bridgeburner-a-gzdoom-map/

[7-22] Combined_Arms Gaiden mini weapons mod released
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms-gaiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egthd1EHvLE [Embed]

[7-22] Coppertone Summer Jam for Quake Released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61918

[7-16] Anon shares their 7-map wad, Hell Frontier Episode 1
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115739-hell-frontier-episode-1-7-maps-for-now-limit-removing-doom-ii-wad-official-pre-release-playtesters-wanted/

[7-15] Anon shares their 3-map project, Akoopasoup: Free Lyle
https://mega.nz/file/ysdgRCxQ#Y1jyG9hGGbi4LkCxP4_6qt4SKjfHfg66wsFWD3B89Qg

[7-14] SNES DOOM source code released:
https://github.com/RandalLinden/DOOM-FX

[7-13] Lost Frontier, a "realism" inspired gameplay mod for Strife, has been released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=69291

[7-13] Anon shares two projects, a music randomizer featuring music from various megawads
http://www.mediafire.com/file/3rttokitvwh421b/TheUltimateFloppy.zip/file
And an edit of X-Weapons: Helstrum featuring only the weapons and control tweaks
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yn4pbiltjisq15o/HelsturmNMedit.zip/file

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>>6716557
Sorry that took a while. Don't bake breads often myself.
Also:
>[7-30] /v/ anons released Unreal championship 2, UT 2004 and Unreal 2 The Awakening souce codes >>>/v/519146380
Here: >>6706192

What a boring map.

>>6716540
Based
>>6716554
Cringe

>>6716536
Reminder not to respond to obvious bait in order to not shit up the thread.

>>6716554
Based. Build games are much better. Look at the amount of quirks in Blood. Makes me want to coom everytime.

With or without fog?

I recently completed my first map. Please consider playing it. Your feedback is also appreciated.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/iq59z647u09kpgf/octogonsix.wad/file

>>6716641
Fog only looks good in outside areas with the right sky.

>>6716641
Fog looks better, don't listen to >>6716690

>>6716641
Fog

LitDoom update:

We're adding a (you can toggle it) durability system to the weapons. They'll eventually start to jam/break down, or just work less quickly/effectively without maintenance here and there. Some weapons, like the revolver, will be more reliable than others due to less things to go wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctCyms8pehU

>>6716641
The map was designed for fog, its very atmospheric.
Although the fog is kind of ugly in software mode with all the banding.

>>6716568
>myoffice.wad by fujiwara

>>6716641
It looks good without fog. Fog is very ugly and should be used only in mountains.

>>6716657
fuck archviles

>>6716780
Fog looks a lot better in software mode imo (the white\gray one, not other colors)

>>6716780
Fog looks a lot better on software imo

>>6716641
Fog is essential for mood. However I think we could try something like zones with variable fog densities and non linear fog.

>>6716780
The "banding" is due to how fog tables originally worked in software mode. You can see that in a lot of other engines of the time.

>>6716843
Looks amazing, I wonder if you can achieve this aesthethic in Arcane Dimensions for q1

>>6716536
Any good Doom TC´s?
Played Ashes 2063, Shrine 2, Hedon and liked them all. Starting REKKR right now.

>>6716903
I liked Harmony

>>6716891
heavily fogged diffusely lit monochrome maps ARE the AD aesthetic
not that AD has any effect on the visuals (except particles)

>>6716554
2 was fun because it was the first game I’m aware of where “mods will fix it” rang true. There were some great Quake 2 servers back in the day.

>>6716909
Yeah I know but its not as crispy as that hexen screenshot

What does /vr/ think about Thy Flesh Consumed?

>>6716935
Getter than Shores of Hell and Inferno but worse than Knee-Deep in the Dead

>>6716919
Vanilla Quake 2 has the weakest multiplayer, which is a shame because multiplayer is really where Quake shines. Think the single player gets shit on a lot more than it is deserving of.

>>6716935
Best chunk of levels in any official Doom. Knee Deep in the Dead is certainly more iconic, and is actually probably better designed, but every time I go back to play through vanilla Doom/Doom 2 Thy Flesh Consumed is where I have the most fun.

>>6716935
Besides Romero's levels, and maybe E4M1, it's pretty mediocre.

>>6716921
could always use a software port if you're a color banding fetishist

>>6716903
>Starting REKKR right now
I might be too late to help, but, the lift that you need to take to progress in level two is in the big room that you drop into; it's in the dark. (IMO it needs to be illuminated by torches because it's too easy to miss).

>>6716945
What do you mean fetishist, color banding is based and handsome desu.

>>6716950

>>6716823
Very well

Why didn't you faggots ever tell me that I can use MBF's helper dogs in PrBoom+ using the -dogs parameter?

2048 map 18 (?)

The one with the archvile in the circle with the moving pillars.

FUUUUUUUUUCK YOU

And it's like 4 seconds for the first movement then 3 for the next and it throws you off. Fuck you. I missed the rocket launcher and couldn't go back.

I still liked it you fuck.

>>6716843
I don't like the weird draw distance in software. Where it starts getting darker a certain distance in front of you.

In Duke 3D I always ramp up the "visibility" to max. Why would you want it to start getting dark 10 feet in front of you?

>>6717047
how can you not tell there's a difference between the darkness you're talking about and the fog in the picture of the post you're replying to

>>6716935
I like it a lot, but I wish it kept up the high pressure of E4M1 and E4M2.

What's the current order for the maps in 2048, and what was the proposed change in order?

Does anyone else get headaches from software rendering mode?

>>6717040
>I still liked it you fuck.
Thanks my nigga, I did some updates to the map in the meantime so the crusher part isnt as cheap and the elevator is shorter

>>6717080
No. Are you using freelook? Some people get sort of disoriented by the kind of stretchy perspective you get with freelook in software rendering.

Here's a wild idea for a weapon set

In the year 23XX Another Earth is under onslaught by the demonic forces of hell

A french mad scientist Jacques b'Oner manages to turn himself into a lich, and transforms his skeleton into the finest combat machine known to man (and demon). He also plated it with gold.
Powered by miniature reactor on his back, he weilds an arsenal of energy weapons and a gyrojet revolver sidearm.

Weapons:
Pneumatic Fist (can be charged for maximum fisting)
Auto Fister (chainsaw replacement)
Gyrojet revolver - shoots impact axplosives or stickies. Stickies when detonated apply additional damage per stickie stuck to the same target (up to 50% total bonus)
BallZapper - shotgun that shoots a single ball of charged plasma. Hits 2 additional targets with short ranged arc from impact. If target of the ball dies, arcs deal leftover damage as a bonus. Can be "pumped" 2 more times with altfire for 1.75 and 2.5 more power respectively.
SSG replacement - fires a spread of 7 explosive balls that travel for ~13m before exploding and creating chaining arcs.
Chaingun replacement - Lazer machinegun, inaccurate. Altfire deploys a handle bar that grants perfect accuracy at the cost of movement speed
Rocket Launcher - a plasma caster, can shoot a ball of plasma either straight or as a grenade (later has more blast radius) can be charged for slightly more damage, radius and speed.
Plasmagun - plasmagun, but with altfire of continous high damage high fire rate beam (like Quake's lightning gun).
BFG - instead of BFG has a selection of Fusion Cores for reactor that provide bonuses to other weapons depending on charge level. Useage spends the charge and thus reduces the bonuses. Can be overloaded and used for a "big boom" attack that makes the weapon unavailable for the rest of the level.

>>6716536
HELLOOOO!

>>6717158
Oh so youre the idea guy

>>6717158
Well, that's something. Do you think you could make it?

>>6717189

>>6716935
It's my favorite of the four episodes but it also really shows the limits of Doom 1's enemy roster.

>>6717047
Fog ≠ Sector Shading

>>6717236
Seek help

>>6717271

>>6717040
>The one with the archvile in the circle with the moving pillars.
Wait, didn't some anon years ago post something like that? They were going up and down in a circle.

So let's say I want to fight God in the edgiest way possible, would I rather choose some edgy metal or something classical like "Dies Irae" or "Lacrimosa" as soundtrack?

>>6717282
Classics are the best: https://youtu.be/GXFSK0ogeg4

>>6716540
>>6716554
Alf, if you are so desperate to get (you), why dont kill yourself?

maybe you will show up at the news.

>>6716938
>Q2MP bad
how to spot the Quake Mapping Discord anon

>>6716559
I truly hope that someone makes a source port out of it for UC2 with working servers
and a better rendering for UT 2004

>>6717297
I didn't call it bad, I called it the weakest in the series. I'd be willing to entertain an argument for Q4 or QC being the weakest, too. I've probably put more hours in to Q2 multiplayer than QW, Q4 and maybe QC, though that might actually be kind of close, so I don't think it's bad.

>>6717297
Quake 2's multiplayer was really good, anyone who says otherwise is a larping zoomer.

>>6717236
It all happens so fast, is Kramer in there too?

>>6717293
Remember to stream it for our viewing pleasure

Been playing Reelism 2. It's definitely more polished than first one, but I can't help but feel like the smaller pool of stuff results in more moments where you simply can't survive due to bad combos of modifiers.

I have trouble setting up a server with doomseeker. How do I tell doomseeker my internal ip? It assumes it to be 127.0.1.1 which is 100% incorrect.

>>6717065
Here was a proposed order from the last thread. Bear in mind that it needs some work since maps 07 & 15 have to stay in their slots. The current order can be view in the credits txt with the wad download
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1R-kQMBkCFC9v3e8bEtv1n-cOt9LkcjCn?usp=sharing

IT
KEEPS
HAPPENING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHUCsrNeYQ

>>6717503
What did we do to deserve such sin

>>6717503
NINTENDOOOOO

>>6717492
The QC design was a bit all over the place, some characters looked nice, others maybe not so much. Classic Doomguy looks weird as fuck because they looked at the extracted sprite and used that as reference, ignoring/unaware of that the sprite is supposed to display at an aspect ratio with 20% taller pixels, making his head look fucking squished vertically.

>>6717503
i hate that metal music is basically in every modern "retro shooter", i liked the chiptuned tone of doom etc way more

>>6717492
This proves there isn't a single member of the original team working in QC or any other modern ID tittle for that matter.

>>6717492
We're lucky he has his armor damaged at belly instead of having a designated abs window.

>>6717516
Doom was always supposed to be pretty metal, not all of it's music, but Romero straight up handed Bobby a stack of rock and metal CDs from his collection and told him something like "This is exactly how we want the music to sound like." That's the kind of music the guys really loved, and they wanted that kind of sound, hell, the aesthetics of Doom has a lot in common with heavy metal album covers of various kinds.

I do agree that there's a bit of an 'over-focus' on it by some people though, as Doom also had a lot of slow and tense music too (some inspired by movies). It's like how there's some people who only knows Duke Nukem 3D's music from Grabbag, and think it's all buttrock, when there's LOTS of slow and gloomy tension tracks in the game, more than fast action tracks even.

>>6717523
I know that was always supposed to be battle damage, but I always loved the idea of it just being a midriff window, because that's the kind of shit you would see in old pulp art and on metal album covers, shit that doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense, but it's there to look badass.

>>6717509
Hire this man

Friendly reminder that the Q1, Quake 2 and 3 ports at bethlauncher are nothing but cut garbage inferior to the steam and GoG versions
>No Music
>No Videos
>No Mission Packs

And bethesda or even id doesn't give 2 fucks about it.
And brainwashed normies and zoomers on twitter are loving it

>>6717503
i cant stop laughing at the face sprites

>>6717534
Pretty sure GOG is the only place where you can get the game with the music.

>>6717503
>can barely hear the bang of the shotgun for the SPLORCH noises of the blood
Why do these people never have any understanding of sound design at all?

>>6717538
The GoG versions comes with everything.
Q2 comes with all 3 packs, same goes to Q1 and Q3A with TA in it.
its just id and bethesda being retarded.

>>6717503
Why would you ever put motion blur into a game willingly?

>>6717538
That's where you're wrong, though.

https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1293934149628289027
Is BTSX E2 even done?

>>6717545
I think it's fine if you make it very subtle, and only have it show for really fast movement.

>>6717056
The guy said software fog looks nicer and im saying I would use that but I don't like the lighting so I don't use software in general.

>>6717545
people shoves in it to hide the serrated polygons and add some smoothness in it.

>>6717492
>>6717517
Marph, stop shitposting here and GO FINISH Postal 4.
Also eternal's head is better than the QC model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X6ZqfnsVvU

its literally Q3A Doomguy, with angry madman eyes.

>>6717546
>russian
Go back to 2ch, cishet white male scum.

>>6717572
Nah, it's too gay in there.

>>6716554
Are there anybody who can tell tge difference between the levels? I'm pretty good at spotting the styles of Sandy, American and Romero in Doom, but I couldn't do that in Quake in a million years without credits. There is no good or bad level there. All of them are the same.

>>6717549
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/69960-back-to-saturn-x-episode-2-is-out-of-beta-v100-aug-13-2020/?do=findComment&comment=2172295

It is now.

>>6717503
>>6717529

>>6717592
I know there's a level where you find a thunderbolt in water, and since you auto switch to new weapons, you'll probably die, since the thunderbolt empties all of it's ammunition at once if it's discharged into water, and you take damage from that.
That being said, if you find that one, it's a high possibility that level was by Romero

>>6716557
BTSX E2 is no longer in beta: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2172295
It is also now in the bethesda/console ports: https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1293934149628289027?s=20

>>6717549
>>6717596
>>6717606
Kinda disappointed that there isn't a new secret level like what Episode 1 got when it was no longer in beta.

any mods that are basically just reskins of the vanilla weapons? I was enjoying D4V but the shotgun and chaingun have faster firing rates.

>>6717621
Doom Ultracompact Cosmetic Kit

It reskins the monsters too. I removed the knife animation that replaces the fists though, because it was garbage

>>6717529
Honestly looks neat ignoring the absolute rape of an artstyle which this zombie model is.

>>6717621
Eriguns is pretty nice

>>6717503
All that work for nothing

>>6717592
Sandy's levels use a fuckton of shadows, sometimes even too much, and they're the hardest. Once you check who made which maps you can notice all McGee's maps have pretty much the same theme.

>>6717503
What is the point of this?

>>6717652
it's all premade assets.

>>6717652
It has the charm of a Unity asset flip

>>6717683
GRAPHICS
NO PIXELSHIT

that's prety much the sentiment behind this. For some poeple shitty 3D is better than "pixel shit" of any uality, and "HD Graphics" take precedent over whether or not it actually looks good.

those people never managed to develop a taste

>>6717753
Most of them are also Slavs

I joined a few doom fb groups. When people there talk about "Doom" they are talking about 2016 + Eternal by default.

Why are zoomers so retarded

>>6717442
Again, I'd like to say Barge In and Lobachevsky need to be some of the very first maps people see. They're easier and they showcase quality.
NO ONE will play through our WAD if the mediocre levels are the first six levels.

>>6717806
I agree. Drunk loser would be another good early one. I don't think grouping levels by theme or even difficulty is as important as making sure the stand out levels are evenly dispersed with more standard beginner levels to ensure a good pacing.

The original lost soul sprite looks so metal. Wish they kept the design.

>>6717760
Eastern bloc only got NES in the 90's, when the rest of the world moved onto 16 bit, and very few got PCs that could be used for gaming. But in the 2000's the floodgates were open and people were thrust into the era of 3D right from the get go, without experiencing anything else.

For those people any kind of 3D or low res is not "retro" to be appreciated when it done right, but "archaic outdated shit that needs update"

>>6717819
Your wish is granted! They kept both the original design AND original hitscan attack!

I've played through Hexen twice without realising the gauntlets, shield and whatever other gear items is a permanent armor upgrade item. Doh.

>>6717831
I like what REKKR did (gave the m resurrection ability)

>>6717817
i vote defiled waters as map 01 since it was the very first map ever submitted and among the strongest in the map set. or black crest, to filter out all the noobs

>>6717621
switch the chaingun to the HAR

>>6717834
Except they are not permanent and break with damage

>>6717503
>"lol this looks silly"
>look at like/dislike bar, it's overwhelmingly liked
>look at comments, they're overwhelmingly positive

A-am I the dick here? Like I know most of you guys don't like how it looks either but how come the audience over there loves it?

>>6717792
>Using Facebook in YooL 2020
What the fuck?

>>6717883
Most people have shit taste unfortunately.

>>6717893
I just have to wonder if I'm unironically being the asshole contrarian for the sake of being the asshole contrarian and going along with groupthink or something. Second guessing my own perception. I was going to share this with some friends but then I realized "what if they reply that it looks cool? what then? then i look like the idiot"

>>6717883
we don't waste time watching or interacting with shit like that

>>6717903
who's we

>>6717906
The gremlins in his head

>>6717492
>"dude, we at id are developing deep lore for doom, so you can invest more into doom because we're such nerds"
>nu id can't even invest in doom as much as decino or marph in terms of doom knowledge and accuracy, which is why most easter eggs and throwbacks are always E1M1 DAISY RIP AND TEAR DOOR and more basic shit
i guess taking the doom "universe" more seriously just makes you look weird, which is why marph makes his tweets in a jokey way

>>6717883
A lot of people don't have very good taste as kids (which a lot of these people are), and a lot of people never really develop a sense of taste ever.
I think that with some people, if you explain it in clear enough terms and while not coming across as hostile or obsessive, they can be willing to reexamine things like these from your perspective, and they might just come to the conclusion that "God, it actually DOES look really awkward and janky!"

How would you guys feel about a Quake Redux project, where you can replay the original id maps but with increased enemy count but with lower health on some of the spongiest enemies like the Ogres or the Fiends?
Since, you know, Quake put 2 enemies' total health into 1, a lot of people complain that the weapons don't feel as powerful and that the enemies are too spongey. I think it might be a fun project to do, but I'd like to hear some thoughts first.

>>6717906
i mean most people don't actively seek out bullshit to downboat and leave negative comments about. the people liking it were probably looking for eBiN hD dOoM rEmAkE!

>>6717792
You would probably have to look for a group specifically about older games. Facebook is however the stomping grounds of the most basic bitch casuals, so your results don't surprise me.

>>6717534
official releases lacking stuff is why source ports, mods and patches are important
because in the end, it's always the fanbase that's gotta make the games more faithfull and care about history and documentation
but slayer's club told me doom is eternal because people keep buying the mini slayer statues

>>6717889
Best hate speech memes are on fb

>>6717819
could have been a side species, like a cyber lost with a different role

>>6717917
I never agreed with people saying Quake's enemies being too spongy, the game gives you plenty of good firepower and plenty of Quad Damages. I figure a lot of people who do make that complaint aren't willing to adjust for how the shotguns are less powerful than in Doom, or how the Shambler takes half damage from explosions.

>>6717920
>basic bitch casuals
My mistake was not looking for modding, there are doom modding groups and my problem was solved.

>>6717906
https://youtu.be/-Ye01xHfzJU

>>6717883
Normies have no taste

Some people say Quake is "just Doom in 3d" but i think that or even something like Prodeus or Wrath is how to bring Doom designs to 3d models
Something that still keeps the "capped" animations and some 3d elements, almost cel-shaded or low res and with less polygons

>>6717970
yeah quake is much more bullet spongy
If 64 came before quake, THEN it would just be doom in 3d cause of all the hell knights

>>6717917
Ogres and Fiends die in 2 or 3 blasts from a common ammo type, so they aren't "spongey" unless you're a dweeb who runs around with the shotgun all the time

>>6717970
>"capped" animations
You mean stepped I assume. Yeah, I like that style. NiNoKuni should've done that to better match the limited animation style of Anime. Having the background look as great as they did (matching the background style of animes), and then the animations be super smooth was jarring. You get the same issue with many modern boomershooters and what-have-you.

>>6717994
its the same fags who calls Q2 sponge too because they keep using SMG instead of point blank SSG shots or rockets/grenades.

>>6717236

>>6717040
I had to cheese that part, I got on the platform right up in its face, pushed it towards the edge some how manage to "glitch" the Archvile out. It stopped attacking and I finished it off with my mouth

>>6717236
fucking KEK

>>6717865
Wtf? The wiki didn't mention that. Proof?

>>6718036
Theyre just armor pools that absorb damage and degrade. But you have a default starting armor amount that never goes down (varies by class), which may be what led you to think they were permanent.

>>6718036
>The wiki didn't mention that
???

>>6718052
Man's probably using the bad wikia one

>>6718094
Yeah, but how else are you supposed to learn how this or that was changed in Brutal Doom?

>>6718141
My head fucking spins when I accidentally go on that wiki and then I see mention of how this or that feature works in Brutal Doom, what kind of dipshit is maintaining that thing?

>>6718148
If doomwiki is idgames then Wikia is ModDB. Spotty inconsistent info from mostly outside the core doom community.

>>6718148
it's like writing an article about a character's role in some story, then including what their role is in someone's fanfiction

>>6717503
Looks washed out

>>6717236
Cable boy? My poor little cable boy!

>>6718014
I understand why people criticize Quake 1 for having resilient enemies, they have usually just completed Doom and have moved on to the next id title, confused as to why the shotguns don't work the exact same way. I've never heard of your example, though. Many criticize Quake 2 for having unsatisfying weapons, the SMG being the biggest example, and no one ever seems to use it once the chaingun is acquired.

>>6717503
>front falling death animations
>on imps no less
Am I the only one who hates this? Makes you feel like your weapons pack no punch at all, especially if they aren't even knocking over weaker enemies.

>>6717279
That's sunlust, mine behave differently

Is it somehow possible to exclude spider mastermind from infighting? That would probably really improve their relevance.

>>6718246
With Decorate? Sure, though being an enemy that spews out hitscans, that feels almost like a waste.

Not much happening in my project. I redid the HUD (I know many will not like having bars with no numbers, but I don't really have a choice), learned to do a swimmable water, and doing some research for implementing the Important Game Mechanic, which is magic. I've seen guns+magic in many mods, and I'm not really satisfied with their implementation, so I'm gonna do my own spin on the concept. I need to implement two spells, make a proper placeholder model for a grenade launcher, placeholder items, and then start making textures for a proper level.

>>6718251
It always gets tangled in infighting, either damages other monsters through its spray and pray attack or gets damaged because of its enourmous hitbox.

If it never retaliated nor be retaliated against, it could actually keep attention on the player. Damaging and being damaged by accidental attacks would still be ok.

>>6717503
This looks OD af
Anyone know if it works with Brutal Doom?

>>6718221
SMG is useful for guards due to pain state
Enforcers needs 1 point blank SSG or 2.

Chaingun wastes tons of ammo, but good for flying mooks like fucking drones, but its easily outclassed by the hyperblaster.
Reckoning becomes easy once you get the ripper and the phalanx

>>6717516
>>6717524
Nealy the whole doom soundtrack is "stolen" metal

>>6718280
Some of these are really long shots. I don't think there's anything in Starless that sounds like Sign of Evil.

>>6718246
Placing one in a room alone with the player would solve that problem.

>>6717524
Couldn't agree more, all the nuDoom shit is just too focused on the metal, e1m1 remix is fucking garbage. Modern "retro" shooters should think of something new instead of being copycat faggots(paying tribute to old games is one thing but ffs dont brownnose and copy)

>>6718223
I'm all for direction-dependent death animations.

what doom eternal features does reelism 2 have besides that machine gun and the tyrant?
i thought i saw those energy shield soldiers in the trailer

>>6718280
>wikia
Only a quarter of what's in this list is easily verified, and the best tracks from the games are original works. I'd rather have more stuff like Kitchen Ace and Sinister than the umpteenth E1M1 tribute.

For me, it's e1m6. The best doom level

LADS
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=883642
>ROTTEXPR - Sourceport for Rise of the Triad: Dark War

>>6718359

>>6718359
At the end of the day it's still ROTT

>>6718371
Which is an excellent game.

>>6718371
At the end of the day ,is /vr/'s wish to mating press Lorelei Ni.

>>6718359
Meh, still better than that 2013 remake.

>>6718307
Nudoom isn't even metal, it's that weird dubsteppy/djent shit.
I agree with the modern throwback stuff though. None of these "boomershooters" even try doing anything to spice up a formula for a genre that's been almost entirely exhausted. They always try selling themselves on "being like the old games," offering nothing new, and failing to even reproduce things that make the old games memorable.

A poster a few threads back was complaining about how bad this game was.
ttps://store.steampowered.com/app/753590/Hellbound/
I don't remember what his specific complaints were, but it doesn't matter. Looking at the flat arena levels and Nudoom piss filter in the gameplay footage shows off everything you need to know. The trailer even does what Dusk did by referencing the games it claims to emulate. The logo literally uses Doom's font. A majority of the titles released in this new wave of FPS can be described as "this game from the 90s with some elements from another game."

>>6718246
You could even do it with Dehacked in a hacky way, swap it with the Archvile so it gets the Archvile's special trait of not being targeted by other monsters.

>>6718409
>in development from 2016
>funded in kickstarter
>2 enemies, 7 maps.
>"making more levels would make oUr game worst."

>>6718409
>Djent isn't metal

>>6718435
It would lose it's immunity to sideblasts from rockets, and wouldn't trigger 666 tags.

>>6718409
How the fuck is it supposed to be a full game with 7 levels only. I can't believe that's just it, is it some weird kind of an early access thing?

>>6718450
djent is a human dogshit metal genre

>>6718447

>>6718460
Seems more like a shitty, lazy dev thing.

>>6718461
I like it.

>>6718447
>2 enemies
>7 maps
C'MON! WOLFENSTEIN 3D CAME OUT WITH A FUCKING SHAREWARE DEMO IN 1992 AND THAT HAD MORE ENEMIES AND LEVELS THAN THAT
AND THERE WAS EVEN MORE IN THE FULL GAME
AND THAT WAS BACK WHEN FPS AS A CONCEPT WAS BASICALLY COMPLETELY UNEXPLORED TERRITORY

>>6718450
We could get into the details of all the genres and subgenres, but come on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8uTG0uyjZQ

>>6718472
then you might be a human dog

>>6718307
new doom also suffers from trying to be too nerdy with the
>lore
>higher focus on fantasy and sci-fi
>pop culture refereneces and homages
>the literal arcade pick ups
>marketable toys in game
when classic doom was nerdy but different
the kind whose devs were somewhat counter culture because of the topics they covered and one of them was into judo and hacker culture, the latter being a reason why doom is even source code
so it's a difference between when nerds weren't cool vs when they became marketable
new doom also has what i call "safe edge" because it hypes up on being "cool" but it feels calculated
like a marketable version of "cool" that doesn't work when you have intentionally cartoony voice acting and shit like that
>>6718409
anytime someone makes a throwback heavy game, they need to know what "eat lead the return of matt hazard" is

>>6718507
>Literal arcade pick ups

Because original dooms spheres aren't literal arcade pickups?

>>6718507
>lore
i makes me violent when people discuss DOOM lore

>>6718518
wolfenstein 3d was arcade
doom items still looked like objects that belonged to the universe and had actual designs
the only reason eternal did this was because of visual feedback, which could have still be better
otherwise, they look uninspired
eternal is the only game in the series that ever did this
even the power ups in quake could be seen as some magic runes, at least
eternal also feels like it's doing this just because "gameplay is first in doom, so here's how aware it is that it's a video game"
it's like the new paper mario games reminding you they're paper because that's what paper mario is, apparently

>>6718532
Eternal feels like they had to cut corners and rush shit despite getting pushed back. But the worst thing about it is it's not fucking retro.

>>6718479
To be fair, Wolf3D levels could be shat out at incredible speed because of how simple the game is. IIRC, it took them a day to make a proper level.

>>6718479
And by the way, it wasn't completely unexplored territory, Wolf3D wasn't even the id's first FPS game.

>>6718507
Marketability is all you have to say. Doom had a resurgence of mainstream attention this decade, so id, bethesda, zenimax or whoever decided to capitalize on it by casting a wide net and making something "safe." Something gets big, said thing makes money, said thing needs to make more money, said thing ends up turning into something else.
I think about the in-game radio operator calling the protagonist Doomguy, I think about the constant popup tutorials teaching you how to shoot things, I think about them shoving Dopefish everywhere because "hey, the original team did it!" It's almost a hollow parody.

>>6718450
Not all Djent is metal, no. Sure, theres stuff like Meshuggah, which is metal. But theres a lot of Djent bands that are more rooted in prog rock, I've noticed.

>>6718507
>pop culture refereneces and homages
poor argument, all of the build trilogy does this with namedropping action, horror, and martial arts references constantly

>>6718540
It wasn't, but Catacomb 3D and Hovertank 3D were incredibly rudimentary next to Wolfenstein 3D, a game which is already quite simplistic.
It was a VERY young genre where iD themselves would be the ones to establish a lot of the conventions.

>>6718548
Real metal has soul which djent doesn't have.

>>6718556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcm9qqo_qB0
tornado of SOUL

>>6718550
in classic doom it wasn't always blatant
the build trilogy did it because they're the build trilogy and had characters to fit that

>>6718550
Duke 3D was only constantly throwing pop-culture references in E4. First three episodes were a lot more spread out, and usually in secrets.

It's depressing when all the badass pop culture references are still from 40-50 years ago

>>6718550
Those games aren't the only classic first person shooters, and those games were done (mostly) by one developer where that was their style.

>>6718598
That too. Duke's E4 feels almost like a bonus episode, just going full whack.

>>6718280
Donna to the rescue took a sped up Midi of a Soundgarden track. Some of these are questionable

>>6717061
What about E4M3?

>>6718550

>>6718665
I kind of like it, but it's not quite as strong as the first two, and not as challenging.

>>6718616
Episode 4 was when Randy joined, right? I felt it went a little too heavy-handed on the references, what with the first level being the whole Mission Impossible thing, but it could just be seen as a funny little add-on with a new boss.

>>6718786
It's also made from Beta leftovers. The quality is kind of all over the place, featuring some of the very worst levels of the original four episodes, but also some of the very best.

>>6718537
I have no familiarity with the tools and I'd be willing to bet I could make 3 decent maps in a day until I ran out of ideas 10 maps in.

Hey /vr/, where are the weapon damage or monster health files located in Quake II's .pak files? I'm using pakexplr and I want to do a glass canon run.

>>6718359
Is this port good at all?

>>6718879
It's pretty finicky but functional. Biggest problem I can identify if the HUD scaling either being to small or too large at high res

Cheers, I know I am too late for the 2048 party, but I still wanted to see what I can do. Turns out I am extremely uncreative. While listening to Slayer I filled an arena with stuff and added some heavy scripting (good machine and latest GZDoom version recommended, as I tested on that). The level has a "regular" exit and a secret one that is rather tedious to reach heavenly numbers and many Cyberdemons and has you fighting a very strong boss in another 2048 level.
Right now I still have the following issues:
>chainsaw y/n (makes it easy grinding for the secret exit)
>general ideas for making purgatory bleaker
>some linedefs on automap probably
>empyrean ending eden good or would mounting the throne be the better?
>ideas for making the eden view more attractive
>better sky for eden? I am too retarded to understand skyboxes
>some intense scripting because I suck at programming

Feedback is greatly appreciated, sorry I have no pictures, but apparently some subhuman piece of shit in my IP range has been banned from uploading files.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/berlj5hmvv4z4tm/SlaytanicFunhouse.pk3?dl=0

>>6718902
send feedbacks on github, if all of /vr/ does it, this and force engine may be the best shit of this year.

>>6718879
Trying to use mouselook locks me to about 100 degrees of movement. It's like my cursor hits a wall.
Turning with arrow keys works fine, though.

>>6718939
The mouse look for me is fine, it's just very stiff overall.

Otherwise it seems to be playing fine in 1920x1080 widescreen. Good stuff.

>>6718904
Forgot to say, it IS supposed to be edgy and pretentious, so don't take it seriously. And please tell me if you found the secret boss fight too easy or too hard.

Any updates on the 2048 beta? What’s left to do?

Beat the first level. Mouse aim is a lot better if you lower the threshold, and sensitivity.

Seems to be a decent port, no crashes, runs fine in 1920x1080.

Floor has rendering issues when looking, but that's expected since it always happens with these ports.

>>6719043
Organiser anon got the rona.

>>6719043
See if Good Boy's Club has been fixed yet. I'm not doing it cause i'm too lazy.

>>6719108
Nah, I'm better. Gonna try and figure out a better maplist and post a new beta update sometime tomorrow. I saw the list an anon posted earlier, not sure if I agree with Gatehouse being the very first map though. Gotta find a good map to draw in people's attention.

>>6719138
It got an update last thread as did a few other problematic maps.

>>6719142
What if you move those mediocre tech/lab maps to the extra wad and let mappers make new ones that actually uses the gothic textures? I think this month is enough time to have this wad finished

>>6719142
Good news. I'm working on setting par times for the maps using the DTWID method (beat it as fast as I can on HMP, round to the nearest 15 seconds then add 30 seconds).

>>6718876
pls respond

>>6718532
>"gameplay is first in doom, so here's how aware it is that it's a video game
>this is a bad thing
I've been playing DOOM a long time, since before I could even type on a keyboard. Despite the shitty story, Eternal rules.

>>6719146
Yes, but did the updates fix or break the levels? I'll check em myself in a few hours but it seems like I'm the only person offering feedback on these maps/updates. I don't mind doing it, I like to do it, but it's probably too subjective when it comes down to just me okaying the ammo count/setups/etc, rather than at least a couple anons.

>>6718876
>>6719189
That's not how Quake 2 works. You'll need to make an actual mod.

>>6719142
Hey man, I finished up Inner Cloister and posted it in the previous thread >>6708247
Wasn't sure if you noticed it or not.

>>6719220
How would I go about doing that? I thought it'd be like Doom and Slade.

>>6716776
Just as a general shout out, we're always looking for more sprite artists, coders, etc. if anyone is interested in contributing. The team's still pretty small!

>>6719232
That filter

>>6719198
but i feel like if you don't dislike the bright neon items, you don't like them either, just think they're "meh"
as opposed to some objects or artifacts with more memorable designs that fit the art style and, because of the new games, have some "lore" behind it
it's a case of
>nobody likes it, even if they don't hate it either
vs
>something that could be memorable or talked about
what's weirder is that they still used actual power ups (even if berserk was used like once) so it's only certain objects that went the arcade direction
even weirder, they used it for items that are only picked up once or are meant to be picked up for story reasons and mandatory upgrades (like dashing for example)
it feels disconnected

>>6719232

>>6719229
Grab the "game" directory from the source of whatever client you're using (or vanilla, which should work with most clients), make whatever changes you want to make, then compile it to game.so or game.dll or whatever the shared object needs to be called for your client and your platform.

>>6719168
I'd (LunchLunch) be willing to pump out another map if we go this route. I don't think it's really fair to those other authors though unless they themselves don't like their maps. Although the authors of Shipwreck Cavern and Precipice HQ are MIA- if anons don't like those maps we could boot them over to the extra WAD. I don't personally hate either map though tbqh.
If anything, I vote for making Barge In the first map over Gatehouse. It's a unique and fun introduction. I quite like the first half of Gatehouse though

>>6719228
Going along with this, 2048 LEAD ANON, double check and comb the last couple threads for updates, I know there were a few and you may have missed them if you were sick

>>6719235
yes, yes, we get it
It's. ugleh

Long levels suck.

>>6719235
Old pic, but yeah. I need to take some new ones while I play.

>>6719260

>>6719240
I'm thinking about the soulsphere mostly but I appreciated the classic design, it looks out of place but also so right.
I appreciate that the ammo and pickups are bright, they stand out so you can easily distinguish them from the battlefield. You're right, DOOM Eternal focuses on gameplay first, that's what makes it fun to play you contrarian dork.

>>6719265
i just think it didn't need to be "self aware" because if it's already gameplay first, the job is already being done
the problem with "self awareness" is that it feels like it has to remind you too much of what it is, causing an opposite reaction of "maybe it's not the thing it thinks it is" because at times it feels forced
it's like when a friend you know has amnesia and you help him recovering his memories but he ends up behaving differently, like he's trying too hard to be himself
or those scenes in some movies where a character is killed/kidnapped and replaced with an infiltrator using their appearence, while some characters say "hey why is danny acting strange?"
there's being a videogame and telling me it's a videogame
it's like a problem with irony poisoning and sincerity

>>6719248
A lot of people (myself included) disliked Shipwreck Cavern. I don't remember Precipice HQ at all, so I guess it must be pretty average.

>>6719246
>then compile it to game.so or game.dll or whatever the shared object needs to be called for your client and your platform
Alright, I think I figured everything you said up until this line. How do I compile the "game" directory into a game.dll?

>>6719276
With a C compiler. Ideally the same one used to build your client.

>>6719168
>>6719248
I (Washing Machine Enthusiasts) could do another map as well, but I agree it's not particularly fair to discard maps submitted before the deadline unless they're bad and the authors are unwilling to fix them or MIA.

Was Shipwreck Cavern fixed up from the softlocking invisible wall decoration-blocking mess? If not, I'd support ditching that.

>>6719168
You want to kick out half the maps because they didn’t use the completely-optional-as-specified-in-the-rules textures?

>>6719283
Thank you, this doesn't seem that difficult actually.

>>6719329
Idk, ask the anons that are very disappointed having those boring generic maps.

>>6719246
Not him, but why couldn't you just edit the already established client dll file instead of creating/compiling your own?

>>6719369
I mean, you probably could if all you want to do is change health and damage values, but it would be more work than just building from source.

>>6719335
what the hell is that thing? Is it from half life? doom 3? some unholy combination?

>>6719373
STALKER

>>6719378
oh so the third one but with more Chernobyl?

Roundabout cliffside was really dull

>>6719418
Yeah but at least he's not MIA and he did put out an update (last thread I think?). Haven't played it yet but I'll be posting in a few hours on these new updates

>>6718532
I just picked up DE, and I agree with you for the most part.
My biggest gripe with it though is that they limit your ammo to force you to switch weapons more, which locks you into a specific gameplay loop. There is a "right" way to play DE and any other way that you do is inferior. No room for play, just one technique. They try to make up for it by letting you change your loadout or whatever, but that all feels like a band-aid on the problem.
It's not horrible, it's just not as fun as Olde Doom, 2016, or even Doom 3 for me.
Maybe it picks up. I'm still pretty early in the game, but it didn't start off on a good foot for me.

>>6719383
I don't know what you mean by that. If it's that STALKER is a combination of HL and Doom 3, you're off your rocker. You should play STALKER.

>>6717606
Oh wow, the changes to map20 are pretty substantial. At least half the map is completely new, and the overall layout is now more non-linear with lots of options.

What is the best snack to play Doom with?

>>6718518
>>6718532
Speaking of arcadey it would be nice to see more Doom mods with stuff like extra lives or score like in Wolf3D.
>>6719534
Honestly, once you get better at the game it feels less restrictive on what you can do. Those weekly challenges they're adding are a nice way to try different things. Even the infamous marauder can be killed several ways once you learn them, although they are not all very obvious.

>sgt mark is creating his brutal doom inspired standalone game in gzdoom
what a fucking hack

>>6719667
Good for him.

>>6719667
He still makes stuff?

>>6719646
spaghetti with meatballs

>>6716657
WOW! this level seems aweesome! i played blind up until the revenant/rocket trap and choked and died. thought it was really creative and fun until then.

i'll come back if i play again and finish it.

amazing if this is your first map!

>>6719667
...and?

>>6719694
There's not really anything wrong with making a standalone game on a commonly used engine, so I don't get how he's a hack for it. Even if I don't like Brutal Doom.

>>6719667
Who?

>>6719667
At the rate he's going it'll take him another 3 years to make an alpha, and then another 6 to get out of early access.

>>6719705
in 8 months he already made more assets than Doomworld made for FreeDoom in 12 years.

>>6716657
>>6719683
yeah, wow, is this really your first map?

i just beat it, it was a ton of fun. i panicked and died when i got into the, uh "cyberdemon in the dark" area lol.

i got to the end with about 12 kills missing, then was lazy and used iddt to see where the remainder were. sorry i didn't snoop for them properly, want to sleep =(

it's a great map! shocking if really your first. my only comment is thati think the caco pit area is triggered by a linedef you might be able to cheese? wasn't totally sure and didn't test it, but felt possible.

good job! i enjoyed it. highlight for me was the first arch vile room desu; he got me over the pyramid my first time and i didn't expect it at all, though i had it between us.

>>6719705
>>6719718
>>6719696
yeah seriously just let the guy have his fun, why is he being brought up and shit upon. go make maps and mods and contribute to the scene with the time you spend shitting on him

>>6719667
Oh my God, Who the hell cares?

>>6719741
kill yourself

>>6719683
>>6719735

>>6719667
Marky Mark makes good maps, if he's able to make cool maps that are designed to play well with BD's gameplay, it might be okay !

No custom wad has ever even come close to the quality of the vanilla levels. This is inarguable fact.

>>6719803
Kitty!

>>6719820
Nobody cares about your shitty mafia game. You are a has-been. Go fuck yourself.

>>6719825
I don't get it.

>>6716557
~~~~ 2048 MAP UPDATES REVIEW ~~~~
>SUSPIRAL
Much better. There's enough ammo now that I can easily get 100% kills, but is still difficult due to the scarce/secret placement of health. Verdict: Finished
>MANIACAL MENSTRUATION
Couldn't really tell what the differences were, but it's been about a week since I played it last. I still think the chaingunner teleports by the yellow key are a little inconsistent but it's acceptable. Verdict: Finished
>GOOD BOY'S CLUB
There's more health which is nice, but there was also too much of it, there were like six medkits I didn't even touch and that was with making several mistakes. PIC RELATED: Is this seriously how you're supposed to progress in this level? You have to come through this innocuous tunnel? I don't remember doing this before. I actually thought I was softlocked for ~5 minutes. Anyways, this tunnel needs flashing lights and there should be lights around it, indicating that there's something there even when the wall is down (the current texture doesn't stand out enough in the dark). Verdict: Unfinished
>BAAL'S COLISEUM
Much better. There's still a ~5 second window on the elevator where there's nothing happening but I'll let it slide. We can call this as good as it will be (which is quite good) Verdict: Finished
>DARK SANCTUARY
Good, thanks for adding the caco back to the red room. I like the changes you made to the secrets. Not really a fan of the extra door in the library trap, you now get stuck in a square room with four hitscan chaingunners and an archvile with no cover whatsoever. You already had to know the trap to escape it (by triggering it and hauling ass backwards) but now I'd consider the trap to be unfair personally. Verdict: Unfinished
>ROUNDABOUT CLIFFSIDE
Good job, this is much more interesting geometry and verticality. It's better, but still kind of bland. I just took an adderall, if I'm feeling cheeky later, I'll edit your map again and you can check out/use the changes. Verdict: ???

>>6719827
I think I know what game the anon is speaking of. There was like this mafia-like 2D.5 I saw once made in like GameMaker or something?

>>6719843
https://store.steampowered.com/app/604540/Empire_of_Sin/

>>6719845
Oh wow I forgot this even existed. Wasn't this supposed to come out like 2 years ago?

Is Mr. Romero really posting here?

>>6719852
I do, yeah. brutal doom roxxorz. total gibitude!

>>6719865
Behold the power! The capacity for violence!

>>6719696
>There's not really anything wrong with making a standalone game on a commonly used engine
Hedon dev got a lot of shit for selling his game on doom engine.

>>6719906
>Hedon dev got a lot of shit for selling his game on doom engine.
But why?

>>6719908
I dont know. I guess there is some autistic faction from the doom forums.
"Im poor and mod doom since 20 years and you just sell it REEEEEEEE"
Something like that.

>>6719908
Because it started out as a free mod

Nothing based on zdoom deserves being paid for.

>>6716609
Too damn late.

>>6719915
Enjoy being wrong.

>>6719936
Not him, but I'd be willing to pay for something like Golden Souls 2 or 3, Hedon doesn't seem up to snuff though, didn't care much for how some of the monsters work, or the weapons for that matter.

>>6719940
While I didn't personally enjoy Hedon, I know there are people who does, and I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be a commercial game. The stuff Marky is showing on Twitter seems way above regular mods too. Jimmy and Batandy should follow their example and make their own stuff too. These people have way too much talent to keep wasting it for free forever on a rotten community governed by autists and psychopath troons.

>>6719946
I agree. At this point, GZDoom is more of a bastard stepchild of unity and can be used as a games development platform.
I personally want out though, I've spent my time with this engine and I'm ready to be done.

I need to get back into quake mapping
Doing my maps for HUH was a lot of fun but I haven't really touched it since

>>6719906
Did he really, or you just watched Gman's review where he complains about people complaining about Hedon being sold for money, even though he admits he never heard anything like this? I think Evilution was the last time when modders got shit for selling out, and it was mostly because they sold out a day before the release.

You know how there's AD, Copper Quake and 1.5?

Why don't they do that for Quake 2 and make it not a shit game?

>>6719972
How would making mods that make the game worse improve the quality of Quake 2?

>>6719972
At least Quake 2 is playable unlike some shit games.

>>6719915
Doesnt matter what they "deserve", a product is worth what people will pay for it.

>>6719978
And I will never pay for anything based on zdoom, as nothing based on zdoom deserves to be paid for.

>>6719980
Your delusions of self-importance are truly something to behold. You actually live in a complex Matrix-like fantasy where you believe people care about your opinion.

>>6719983
You seem awfully upset. Are you mad I'm not going to buy the shitty mod you're working on or something?

>>6719984
What, do I need to own some sort of Doom programming certificate to be allowed to laugh at your patheticness?

>>6719956
there were plans to do another q1 project after about a month of post-2048u breather room. would've been soon if not for 2048's qump-tier dev cycle.
I can host if it comes down to it, but somebody who isn't a discord luddite might be a better fit.

Do you guys think an SCP mod for Hideous Destructor using MTF field codes could work well?

>>6719993
No, but I'd recommend getting some standards.

>>6720003
What do you mean by standards? You are the one who seems awfully worried about the engine games are being made on, but in the real world, people pay for what they see and what they think it is worth and what is running under the hood is absolutely irrelevant. If you think a game is bad solely because it runs on GZDoom, it's entirely your own, irrelevant opinion.

For example, by judging by Steam reviews, Hedon (A GZdoom game) sold over ten times more than The Citadel (A Unity game).

What are some angled weapon packs for doom 2? IM kinda sick of centred view

>>6720024
>what is running under the hood is absolutely irrelevant
Sure, if you have no standards.

>>6720029
>people who enjoy Hotline Miami have no standards because it runs on GameMaker

Imagine being this hopelessly wrong.

>>6720031
>zdoom is gamemaker
Huh wow I had no idea.

>>6720032
Have you ever tried making anything on Gamemaker? ZDoom is superior by any standard. That's an abomination of an engine, and it still spawned several successful games.

>>6720038
>Have you ever tried making anything on Gamemaker?
Yes. It's pretty trash from a developer's perspective (though zdoom is honestly worse), but it can produce solid games. Something zdoom can not.

>>6720041
>Something zdoom can not.
I'm eager to check out your attempts at making games on Zdoom.

>>6720045
Why would I try to make a game with an engine that is incapable of producing a good game?

>>6720046
Alright then, show me what "good games" you worked on. Because for me, it looks like you are just mad because a furry with a dominatrix orc fetish made something more popular than you will ever make with your fancy knowledge about Unreal.

>>6720047
I haven't worked on any good games. Unreal is trash too, btw.

>>6720048
>I haven't worked on any good games.
Then maybe you should stop being a hateful person trying to destroy people who have the creativity and resolve to do something you never did, and maybe try to seek a healthier lifestyle?

>>6720048
So you only worked on bad games or never worked on any games at all, yet you feel qualified to judge game engines. Dunning-Kruger if I ever seen one.

>>6720054
And you sound like a little bitch. "Boo-hoo haters". How is he destroying anything? Why are you validating him? Seriously, grow a thicker skin.

>>6720054
Why are you mad that I wont pay for bad games? I'm sorry we can't all be droolies who give our money to anyone who asks for it irrespective of the quality of the product they want us to buy.

>>6720057
>So you only worked on bad games or never worked on any games at all, yet you feel qualified to judge game engines. Dunning-Kruger if I ever seen one.
I'm judging the engines by the quality of the products made with them. That's hardly dunning-kruger.

>>6720062
So you're saying that nothing worthwhile was ever produced for GZDoom, paid or not.

>>6720071
Yes, nothing worth paying for has ever been produced using (G)ZDoom.

>>6720073
That's exclusively your opinion. The rest of the world disagrees.

>>6720075
Ok, Graf, whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>6720081
>Brutal Doom 64 got a Game Awards nomination, and won a SXSW
>Total Chaos competed against popular Skyrim and Half-Life 2 mods, and ranked higher.
>Hedon outsold several Unreal and Unity shooters

It doesn't takes a Graf to acknowledge that GZDoom already produced stuff worth of prestige.

>>6719956
Yeah me too, although I really wish Trenchbroom would support Q3, Wolfenstein and such.

>>6720085
That is actually irrelevant. You can't argue that because some people like things made with gzdoom, two of which are free, that means that nobody except for me thinks it hasn't produced anything worth paying for.

Can I play this with Quakespasm?

>>6720098
Can't see why you wouldn't be able to based on the information in your screenshot.

>>6720095
Mark's game is commercial, people are aware of it, and are still hyping it.
While Wadaholic has nothing commercial planned, you can find several people on Moddb saying they would have paid for Total Chaos if it was a standalone game.

>>6720107
That is still entirely irrelevant. If you're going to make a claim as bold as saying that I'm the only person who thinks nothing using gzdoom is worth paying for, you need stronger evidence than "some people think there have been things made worth paying for".

>>6718904
Polite bump for feedback.

>>6720115
The engine has already achieved high levels of prestige, producing commercially successful games, and getting several industry awards and nominations for different projects.
It would take a massive number of people (preferably with similar feats on their curriculum) to state as a fact that the engine is not good. Until it doesn't happens, it's just your opinion, and an opinion going alone against a mountain of opposite facts disproving it.

>>6720115
What is irrelevant is your opinion. No one denies that there may be other people sharing your (objectively wrong) opinion, but they are minority, and not even vocal one.

>>6720126
>It's just your opinion.
Yeah. Where did I ever try to say "objectively everyone on the planet thinks zdoom is a bad engine"? I've been pretty consistent in arguing that I think anyone who likes anything based on zdoom has low standards.

>>6719168
>>6719142
I could make another map if needed as well. Hell, it can go into the extra .wad and I'll still just make it anyway, because I had fun doing my other maps.

>>6719260
>>6719264
Much better!

>>6720136
To argue something you need to back up your claims somehow. What you've been doing is saying "zdoom bad zdoom bad zdoom bad" over and over again like a broken record. Tell us something new, please.

>>6719418
I thought it was alright, bit plain to look at, but the gameplay was fine. The guy actually went to revamp the level after receiving criticism, don't know if he's uploaded the new version yet.

>>6719667
I mean, that's what he knows, so sure. I expect the code to be pretty ugly to look at, and inefficient, but he generally makes most things run mostly like he intends them to.

>>6719675

>>6719804
That's actually his greatest strength, so assuming that he'll be making the levels himself, the actual map design will probably be pretty good in the game he's making.

>>6720151
In my. obviously subjective, opinion. Nothing that I, subjectively, think is worth paying for has been mad with zdoom. I don't really know what more you want from me than that, which I've already said, fag. You're the one who has been getting upset that I have an opinion that you don't like.

>>6720168
So you've made a bold (and retarded) claim, got a butt concussion when no one agreed with you, and now you are trying to hide behind "it's subjective opinion" and "u mad lol". Next time, don't embarrass yourself and spare us from your other subjective opinion which, I believe, will be just as retarded as this one.

>>6720172
Your "argument" is literally "you can't hold your opinion because it makes me upset and some people agree with me". I'm sorry you're so upset that people don't like the same trash as you, anon. Truly.

>>6720174
Problem is, so far people had agreed with that other guy, but no one ever agreed with you. No one is upset in this situation except for you, that's why you are getting more and more defensive with every post.

>>6720181
Why would I care if anyone agrees with me? It's literally an opinion about the quality of a small circle of niche video games.

>>6720183
We may never know why, but you obviously do care a lot, because if you didn't, you would've stopped making a fuss out of it long ago.

shut the fuck up fags

>>6720183
You have been holding your opinion against several different people for hours. This effectively destroys any "I don't care about other people's opinions on my opinion" argument before you can even make it up. So, don't.

>>6720190
Another thread and there's an another gay bitchfight eh.

Why are modern commercial fps so shit? Im more hyped for new episodes of stuff like blade of agony or ashes 2063 or hedon than any new fps. Wtf. Feels like im becoming a boomer.

>>6720218
Modern game budgets are too high, and publishers too greedy and risk averse, so only games that have been designed explicitly to not do anything that might turn away any potential customers are made. The result is an endless pile of generic, uninteresting games where 80% of the budget goes towards marketing campaigns designed to get as many people to buy the game as possible, because the games can't actually move copies without expensive marketing campaigns to make people think the game is more interesting than it really is, or by inducing a fear of missing out on the game that everyone will be talking about around the water cooler. For some reason people are dumb enough to fall for the marketing every time, so nothing changes.

>>6719683
Yes, this is my first map, initially I wanted to make something small, but over the course of a week or so it slowly ballooned to what it is because I kept learning how to do new things and I wanted to try them out. I'm glad you liked it because I was afraid it might be too unfair at times.

>>6719735
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad to see such a positive response. I considered it, but I couldn't bring myself to remove the cyberdemon because I thought it was funny. The archvile pyramid is actually the idea that made me start building the map in the first place.
Also, due to the weird behavior of instantly lowering floors, the player will also instantly lower if they're standing on them. You can see this in map 10 of plutonia. Since I wanted the player to fall, they can technically trigger it without being over the pit, but I constructed the lead up so its unlikely this happens on a first play through. It doesn't break anything so I figured it was okay.

>>6720001
>MTF field codes
What autogynophiles use to communicate?

>>6720001
Why is the symbol for "don't give up" a stick figure giving up?

>>6720089
quark.sourceforge.net which supports more than that.

>>6720190
Aren't bitchfights fun though?

>>6720226
I think the main issue is that all new fps are designed for console (gamepad)

For some strange reason my original post was deleted.

>>6720262
not when they go on for 6 hours straight

>>6720267
>strange reason
It was posted on /vr/, but is not retro. Hardly rocket appliances.

>>6720267
I lost faith in modern "retro"-FPS games when I saw first showcase of Wolfenstein: TNO gameplay where developers were showcasing it with a gamepad.

>>6720248
I thought that was Discord?

>>6720269
Makes sense. Didnt know talking about mods/tc´s is not allowed. Will keep in mind.

>>6720271
I thought Dusk was pretty good.

>>6720275
Anon, you opened up with bitching about modern commercial FPS games.

>>6720275
Mods and TCs are fine. Your post wasn't really about that, though. Sure, they were mentioned, but the post was asking why modern games are bad. Ergo, not /vr/.

>>6719906
By who? GzDoom is open source and free for anyone to use, what they're actually selling is the content (levels, code, graphics, etc), which you run with the packaged copy of GzDoom.

As far as I know, that's completely allowed, they did that with Action Doom 2 years and years ago.

>>6720280
Just because something is legally allowed doesn't mean people can't have a negative opinion of it being done. That being said, I've seen people talk about the Hedon dev being "shit on" for selling Hedon before, but I don't think I've ever actually seen the alleged shitting.

>>6719912
I guess the mod was intended as a demo for the final product?

>>6720001
Sure, that could be pretty good.

>>6720029
I'm supposed to have some sort of imaginary standard over engines? If it runs like it should, and if the game is good, what does it fucking matter? Unless this Hedon thing crashes constantly, why is it important?

>>6720276
It is, and it was my introduction to bunnyhopping.
I'm glad I chose to play it.

Want a hoodie where the hood has a Cacodemon design so that the opening for your face is the Cacodemon's mouth.

>>6720162
Please don't deal too much damage to those meatballs. You'll make a mess.

Map 21 + 22 can fuck off.
>Dude monster closets lmao
>Dude giant rooms with 50 enemies Lmao

This isn't good level design. Please fuck off.

>>6719418
>>6720158
>>6719831
Last one was 2.1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xj1jqx3fn8iiz41/SandSculker%20-%20Roundabout%20Cliffside%20V2-1.wad?dl=1).). I haven't done any updates since then since I don't know how to sanely improve it at this point (I thought about lowering the keycard/fountain area and turning it into a short wave-based arena, where the floor raises based on current wave, but that sounds like a voodoo scripting nightmare).
Maybe it's done and its doomed to mediocrity, idk.

>>6720338
>Map 21
>check text file
>it's my map

>>6718904
Bumping AGAIN, this time with picture, hopefully.

>>6720338
Based LunchLunch filtering the plebs. Defiled Waters is probably my favorite map in the megawad. Black Crest is really good too but Defiled Waters has more variety I think.
I also hate map22 though. It plays like complete garbage. Thin platforms while getting attacked by an archvile and arachnotron and other monsters, and your destination is blocked by imps and a revenant. Also the MIDI is still broken; it stops looking at ~3 minutes and gets all fucked up and sounds like shit. It bothers me that I reported it broken weeks ago and it's still in the megawad.

>>6720454
It's been updated.

>>6717929
>anon invented the sentry drone

>>6720038
>ZDoom is superior by any standard
Imagine being so retarded that you think it actually makes sense to compare a doom port to a generic 2d engine

quick question, what are the good/bad 2048 maps? for me:

GOOD
>Retirement grease
>Ghost grotto
>Suspiral
>Bal's coliseum
>The dark sanctuary
>Welcome to peanut gallery

SHIT
>Good boy's club
>Lobachesky overdrive
>Gatehouse
>Precipice HQ
>Roundabout cliffside
>Arrogance and contempt

>>6716540
Based

>>6720523
Stop judging the maps! All of them are equally good and you are just insulting them!

>>6720548
t. Eggplant

>>6718865
Yeah you're a bullshitter zoomie

>>6719232
*barf*

>>6720548
We are sending the participation awards check your mail

>>6719260
Kinsie, its time to you to ask someone to make a AI upscaled pack for the sprites

>>6720654
So they look like absolute dogshit?!

>most of these maps don't work in Crispy Doom
What fucking witchcraft are you people using to tag your switches holy shit it's just a single fucking prompt you pricks

>>6719803
oh i was trying to make it clear i was the same person in those posts (and not the author of the map).

>>6720668
It's a Boom compatible wad you prick.

>>6720671
WELL I ONLY USE CRISPY DOOM BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST YOU LIMP DICKED ASSHOLE

>>6720672
>best
>can't run Boom format maps

>>6720672
I AGREE BUT COOL FUCKING RANCH JUST USE PRBOOM YOU DOUBLE NIGGER

>>6720676
Stop building maps for a fucking source port that HASN'T BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR OVER TEN FUCKING YEARS

>>6720678
FINE. THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY, YOU COON

>>6720235
oh okay

i don't think it was unfair at all. e.g., with the revenant trap, it was pretty funny. i grabbed the rocket launcher, and immediately bolted, expecting to get mobbed. then i saw a single zombieman, and almost wondered if you had a mapping error --- you said first map, after all. so i started walking back and the revenants practically teleported on me and instakilled (well AND i blew myself up). was hilarious/glorious.

i thought traps were pretty good. i only found one secret in my main playthrough, the megasphere. last area probably pretty hard without it.

i thought most stuff was pretty clear and i was not frustrated playing the map. the times i died i found pretty funny and enjoyable.

i think it's an excellent map.

Honestly wish Crispy would add Boom support. It works a lot better on my machine than PrBoom+, and I hate having to switch back and forth for compatibility.

>>6715856
LOL: thanks for reminding me to go to ribbiks' website. somehow i've never played MAGNOLIA, am doing it now, it is glorious and also way prettier than i expected lol.

i think ribbiks' really has a knack for creating interesting combat.

>>6720683
PrBoom is a hunk of shit, but there's a fix for the mouse turning on later machines.

>>6720683
I remember seeing a Chocolate Doom fork with Boom compatibility, but it's not very popular and still might be in development, I think someone may have posted it in a past thread but I fucking forgot the name.