/vr/ - Retro Games

probably not even in my top 100. For retro Zeldas, LA and OOT are much better.

>>6722184
this
lttp is nice but i didn't find it memorable at all, especially compared to 1,2, oot and mm. even links awakening is a much better experience. I enjoyed it while i was playing it but id struggle to remember anything that stood out about it

>>6722107
It's my number one

Top 50 but maybe it'd be at like 27, these things are hard to quantify

>>6722107
Somewhere between Alundra and Alundra 2

>>6722184
>>6722419
>>6722434
>>6722438
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>>6722107
It's honestly not even in my top 3 Zeldas.

Good game, though.

>>6722446
Yeah both DS ones are much better

>>6722107
Alttp vanilla? Not even in top 100.
Alttp randomizer? Probably top 50.

It's not in my Top 100, unfortunately. I don't think it's even in my Top 200. Not trying to be a contrarian, I just don't think it's that interesting or fun. That and I've played way too many games on every console and on PC that something I'm indifferent to just won't place anywhere high up.

>>6722107
Zelda 1 > OoT > ALTTP > BotW
Dropped WW, MM, and Zelda 2.
Zelda 1 is the only Zelda in my Top 50.

>>6722428
Same here. Admittedly it's partly due to nostalgia because it was the first game like it that I ever played.

>>6722472
funny guy.

I used to like it a lot but the shine really came off the apple upon replays. A Link Between Worlds really shits all over it.

IDK really. It's definitely a good game, and was the first Zelda I'd call great. For 2D adventure I prefer LA, and my favorite game ever is Majora's Mask so that kind of overshadows ALTTP as far as tone is concerned. I'll say a top 100 game for sure.

>>6722184
>>6722419
>muh Link's Awakening
It's a fine game, but I don't see how you could possibly think it is in any way vastly superior to LttP

>>6722107
#1

Judging by this thread ALTTP is a "polarizing good game". You either think it's a good game but not top 100 material or you think it is absolute gold standard #1 I think it's #5

>>6722107
Where is this in the game? I swear, everything looks so damn much the same in this game

>>6722950
Was your brain trained on 2D or 3D?

And I'd never mistake Ganon's Tower for anything else.

It's bad

>>6722959
3D obvs

>>6723029

I love ALttP. It is an "anual play" for me. But its just so easy and I'm basically on auto-pilot the entire time. It was top 10 at one time, now its portable top 20 or even 25.

I think a lot of people are tainted by 3D style gameplay, and the more they normalize 3D Zelda to themselves, the less they like the 2D entries. 3D Zeldas mostly feel like drudgery checklists with a lot of padding to me and last too long, so I can really only replay the 2d ones.

>>6723141
Replay it as a randomizer perhaps

>>6723186
The incorrect perspective of these games keeps me away, something about it unsettles me

>>6723194
Unsettling perspectives and graphics can be alluring. Many find some N64 games' graphics unsettling due to their primitive and surreal nature. I get this a bit and I played them when they were new, but I enjoy it. It adds an air of the surreal and mysterious

>>6723141
>>6723192
The randomizer is a definite cure for that. It'll really make you think about where to go next and the little things people who already know the game take for granted.

>>6723203
Lazy artists IMO

>>6723214
Hardware limitations IMO

Top 100 for me, it makes a really good first impression, but it doesnt have much replay value.

>>6723213
>Triforce as space age technology
Wasn't there a piece of concept or official art where the triforce looked like the golden disk from the Voyager?

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>6723390
That was Star Trek: The Motion Picture

>>6723390
Not this right?

>>6723401
No, I think it was one those concept art pieces they released in hyrule historia or any of those artbooks, it was the triforce but it had markings, it looked like something old like artwork of the first three zeldas.

>>6722107
Top game of all time for me.

Super Metroid
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy VII
Mario 3
DKC 2
Perfect Dark
Pokemon Blue
Mega Man III
Mario RPG
Mario Kart 64

Can all be argued for top spot as well.

>>6722107
Top 20 definitely.
Top 10 maybe.
It's hard to say because there are a lot of co-op and VS games that I'd rank over it, but those also aren't games I'm playing by myself over ALTTP. As a single player game, it might even be top 5 for me.

>>6722439
>peepeepoopoo anons don't agree with me
Literally s e e t h i n g

it didnt quite match the same feeling of adventure that the original Zelda did for me

>>6722107
Replayability is pretty poor due to the weak plot.

Doesn't make the list. I don't hate it but it never charmed me and I found it pretty boring. At no point did I want to make progress because I invested in the adventure; it was more of a job to get over with. Took me a couple restarts, too. Also, Link is a pink haired tranny for no particular reason.

>>6722705
NTA but better storytelling, more interesting dungeons, actual puzzles with non-trivial difficulty, charming cast of characters, better boss fights, and better music composition even if the gameboy sound hardware is ass. Been too long but I don't remember LttP having as many nice secrets either. I rate LA much higher than the anon you responded to.

>>6723186
I think you're making unfounded assumptions.

>>6722705
>more memorable story with revelation
>more memorable NPCs (e.g. Marin, shop keep)
>dungeons have stronger themes to them
>on average higher quality dungeon puzzles
>on average more interesting and memorable bosses
>better tools (e.g. roc feather, boomerang, fire rod, rooster)
>great use of limited space and assets makes game seem bigger
>more sidequests (e.g. seashells, trading)
>fun cameos (e.g. chain chomps, anti kirbys, goombas)
>better glitches (e.g. screen warp)

it just feels like a much tighter game without sacrificing on exploration or number of secrets. the designers did so much with so little

>>6722107
Somewhere way below the 'I don't care' line. Zelda 1 on the other hand, easy top 5 (maybe top 1).

>>6723213
>>6723192
What exactly does it change? Just all gear and key item locations or literally every chest and collectable (ie Heart Pieces)?

>>6722705
It's been a long time since I played LttP and I'm replaying Link's Awakening(not DX) right now, so there may have things of LttP that I don't remember right now. One thing I find LA superior is that the world feel more alive, it's not just Ganon, Link, Zelda and a bunch of dungeons you have to do. Nope, there is two villages full of people you can talk to, there are the trading items thing that makes you interact with those people, the cameos are interesting(come on, it is funny as hell when you save the chain chomps and you check that he was fearing for his life), the weapons are better, the side-scrolling parts were a touch of love and so on.
It feels a lot like a proto-OoT, the owl reminding you of the quest, ocarina, themed dungeons, memorable NPCs.

>>6722107
zelda 2 was my favorite the combat was way more fun than the other games

>>6722107
Somewhere between 100 and 150 I guess

>>6722107
top 25.

top 10 i'm talking strictly retro.

>>6722107
>where
on spot 19997 of 20000 best games of the 90s

>>6722107
Top 50, but if we are talking strictly retro only, then it’s bumped up to top 25.

I played it for the first time this year, and I didn't like it

I found it really boring, and I barely made it to the third dungeon. It hasn't aged well.

The music is excellent though

>>6724949
Based contrarian faggot

>>6722107
played it once. beat it once. never felt like going back to it. was fun, but not fun enough to replay it again.

>>6723390
>>6723401
Never mind its not canon, it came from a third party strategy guide.

>>6724958
Honestly it doesn't get good until you get to the dark world. The entire overmap becomes a sort of puzzle and different stuff is going on depending what dimension you are on. To me it's a little tedious now, but would have been amazing as a kid with only a few games. I much prefer Link's Awakening as it has less mindless wandering trying to figure out where to go.

>>6724259
There are settings that let you control how much it changes, so it can be all that or less.

>>6725257
Links Awakening is probably my favourite, but I guess it was also my first one.

everyone saying it "isn't even in their top 100" of stupid as fuck, have shitty tastes, and are probably age 5. the game is a masterpiece.

>>6725505
Based

>>6725505

>>6722705
alttp, while super polished, is also super generic. The characters, story, audio, art, etc. everything is just good enough to not be bad, but not good enough for me to care about any of it.

>>6725505
I'm curios to see what games are in their top 100. After all, they are claiming they know 100 games that are better than LttP. I'd love to play 100 games that are as good as(or even better than) LttP.

>>6725541
>Dark World
>Generic

Yeah brah, the type of shit I wished was in every Zelda after it, an entire fucked up demonic world that we never got again, and it's "generic"

Definitive Retro Zelda ranking incoming:

OoT > MM > LA > OoA > ALttP > OoS > AoL > LoZ

All are good. Truly the peak of the series.

Love it, its #9 in my personal top ten.

>>6725556
Shit stuff like >>6722438

>>6725557
>he likes light/dark world mechanics

>>6725557
Didn't TP, SS, ALBW all have basically a dark world? You could hop on over to tvtropes and find plenty more examples in games I’m sure. Aren’t the mechanics of the dark/light world pretty much the same thing as the time travel mechanics in Ocarina and Ages anyway? Come to think of it, like half the JRPGs I played on SNES involved teleporting to alternate versions of the game world. Also, being in a whales dream is far more creative than “oh there’s a Dark World.”

>>6725657

I'm talking edgelord skulls and ruined shit everywhere, more akin to Silent Hill's implementation of a dark world. The Zeldas you mentioned did not have enough of such an obviously negative ruined world-- with the closest being Lorule in asset design since they basically just rehashed ALTTP in that game in many designs, but others were more toned down.

Twilight Realm wasn't a full world to explore, just a few canned areas that appeared when the plot advanced and called for it.

Ocarina tries to have a "dark future" but 90% of it is the same, with Hyrule castle town and Ganon's Tower being the only imposing locations.

The world of ruin in FF6 is a good example of it done right.

Best game ever anyone who says otherwise is just a mad tranny

>>6722107
I love LttP, but pic related is the best thing in LA and nothing in LttP gets even close to this.

>>6728173
https://youtu.be/X7j_GFtoRE8 amazing ost, too.

>>6728173
You always just wanted a waifu

>>6728269
Who doesn't want one like Marin, though?

>>6722107
Top 10 snes

>>6722107
Top 10 maybe top 15

>>6728173
I don't read moon runes. Is that the scene where Marin says she gets the feeling Link will leave the island one day? Or where she's talking about where coconuts come from and how there must be a world beyond Koholint?

>>6728286
Shes nice. That's why LA is wish fulfillment. A side story. ALTTP doesn't cater to the player in that way. ALTTP is an epic tale. Same dynamic as MM and OoT.

>>6722107
Definitely not top 50, maybe top 100 idk.

Link's Awakening, Ocarina and Majora are the only Zelda games I would place on my top 50. That being said, all these 3 games owe a lot to ALTTP so I still think its an important and worthwhile game at very least to better understand and appreciate the origins of Awakening and Ocarina.

If someone was new to Zelda and asked me for recommendations, I would tell them to play LTTP first.

Top 5 or 10. Hell even maybe my favorite. It was for a while.

>>6722107
Top 15 for sure.

>>6725251
This would be kinda tight tho.
Triforce space civilization relic

>>6732634
Would've been quite a paradigm shift at the time. Given what has been found in the pre-release material it's rather clear that at least a small futuristic element was conceived for ALTTP before being scrapped. It was probably viewed as too risky, although doing it in a big reveal fashion and doing it properly would've blown a lot of people's minds back in the day given what they 'thought of' Zelda as then.

>>6725608
switch OoA and OoS and I agree 100%

>>6722587
Absolutely, unequivocally based

>>6722107
I think it's overrated as fuck

I cannot bring myself to play another video game only to come to the realization that it was mediocre and poorly designed in comparison to A Link to the Past.

It is so based that I am the floor

>>6722184
Switch games aren't retro

>>6723436
good

>>6722107
Top 10 for sure. Among Zelda games it's my third favorite, after OoT and MM, the latter being my #1.