/vr/ - Retro Games

>unironically fell for the Trashure meme

Blame DKC.

Blame HAN, that guy couldn't come up with decent character designs to save his life.

>>6703180
Guardian Heroes looks a little more coherent in comparison but I always thought the game was pretty ugly too.

>>6703157
The art direction sucks but some of the boss battles are pretty impressive examples of 5th gen 2D. The game is also an absolute blast to play provided you have a 6 button pad or configure an Xbox style controller to have L/R dashing. Easily in the top 10 for the console and aged like fine wine gameplaywise.

>>6703180
>Blame HAN
He's a truly terrible artist. I guess one good thing about him is that his work is distinct, but it's a shame it had to be distinctly ugly

>>6703205
You can glean some competence and direction in his work but it's never cohesive.

>>6703180
this art is pretty ok for the time, it's just the proportions and limbs look really fucking weird, it's clearly on purpose, so is not so much that it's shitty art, just really weird art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbZCKZRic8w

the "scream mask" faces absolutely everywhere is what i dislike the most about the game
what the heck is that about

TERANCHADS

>>6703157

the repetitive face tiles were annoying. but the backgrounds and characters were nice, even if it all clashes

>>6703345
those backgrounds are ugly as fuck. the obvious black line on all of the scrolling environments looks awful. somehow they made 2D look worse than 3D on the N64.

>>6703157
It's not even the ugliest prerendered game

>>6703345
>that middle left screenshot
I imagine this filtered a lot of people on the genetic level for getting 100%. Some insane mashing required for the gold.
>>6703348
That's an emulator problem.

>>6703380
Turbo controllers bitch

>>6703157
It’s one of the most soulful games on the N64

>>6703157
YES.
The Ugly jpeg graphics, the obnoxious sound, and the half-baked mobile game tier gameplay itself is all a goddamned mess.
If you dare say you don't love it though, you somehow just don't 'get it'

>>6703415
Tell me anon, did you emulate it or play it on the original machine?
It's fine if you hate it, but I'm just curious about your experience

>>6703380
>That's an emulator problem.
it's not. I own this game and I always felt it was some of the ugliest Id ever seen on the system

>>6703418
I have the physical copy. Dont try to act like emulating would make some kind of fundamental difference though

>>6703425
I'm not. Like I said, just curious.

>>6703423
It is 100% an emulator problem.

>>6703157
what does she say again?

>>6703441
Oh I see now that he mentioned the layers being buggy. Yeah I'll concede that is an emulator thing.
I thought you were saying the sheer ugliness in general was somehow the emulator

>>6703348
Emulation issue.

>>6703415
Mobile game gameplay? I can't even imagine playing mischief makers without a 6 face button pad, much less a touch screen.

>>6703157
SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH MARINA IS CUTE SPECIALLY WHEN SHE'S SHAKE SHAKING THINGS

>>6703415
How is the gameplay "half-baked" or in any way resemblant of mobile games?

>>6703157
It's not the prettiest game but still have an unique look to it, better than being plain and mediocre looking.

>>6703234
>this art is pretty ok for the time
For the time? Artists who drew in that anime style back then produced better work than they do now, but whoever drew that has not only terrible taste, he also has terrible technique. It looks like it was drawn by a 12-year-old nerd at the dinner table

>>6703480
>better than being plain and mediocre looking
Agree. I'd much rather look at its interesting ugliness than 90-99% of boring modern games

>>6703157
I bought it for the aesthetics alone.

Shakeshake a cute tho.

>>6705853
CUTE!

mischief makers

>!

>>6707628

>>6707639
w-what was he going to do to his robo-daughter?

>>6707667
rape her ugly ass

>>6707691
but shakeshake a cute

>>6707710
Yeah. In another game.

>>6707691
>>6707717
Delet these horrible posts.

my younger sister had mischief makers in the 90s. there was something weirdly compelling about the gameplay with the grabbing but the graphical style and the weird faces everywhere and the incessant "shake-shake" turned me off

>>6705853
too bad they didnt do the whole game in this art style rather than the weird Macromedia Shockwave look they went with.

I had this issue of GameFan and I didn't own an N64 (I had a PlayStation) but I was never so certain in my life that a game was not for me. Just the most unappealing game I had ever seen.

>>6707886
It's kinda fun. Generic treasure stuff where it's mechanics are integrated into everything to the point it feels gimmicky despite being shallow. It's just hideous with god awful music.

Mischief maker saturn port when?

>>6703157
>Is this the ugliest game ever made?
that doesn't look like dk64

>>6707936
ps1 port first please. We sony bros deserve it.

>>6707964
was replaying dk64 recently. while the environments and textures are pretty ugly, the characters and especially some of the enemies look quite nice even now

>>6703445
PURI PURI

>>6710946
Most of the times people love to cherrypick what things to notice in certain games for certain consoles.
I agree DK64 has some neat models.

>>6705908
We need a remake. Make her look cute like pic related and not have huge eyes and a watermelon head.
ALSO BRING MASAMI SUZUKI TO VOICE HER AND SING THIS GEM AGAIN
https://youtu.be/zi1Bw9wpdNI

>>6710991
The pic you posted also has the big late 90s animu girl eyes, and the big rounded head. That's kinda trademark characteristics of Marina.
>ALSO BRING MASAMI SUZUKI TO VOICE HER AND SING THIS GEM AGAIN
I agree.

>>6711037
I suppose she does but she looks much cuter in the pic I posted than she does in the intro.
Also yeah, looking at the comic they made for the JP manual (I think?) Marina was not the only robot maid the Doc made. Only Marina has the watermelon head.

>>6703157
I think it looks interesting myself.

>>6711046
Matter of preference, I guess. I actually prefer her original design.

>>6711054
Oh I forgot to say she looks great in the in-game portraits.

Bump

>>6703157
the design is consistent which is incredibly important

t. indie developer / lead artist

So why did Treasure make so many Gold Gems extremely hard to get?
Is it because the game's actually really short if you rush through it?

>>6703157
>Makes post about the ugliest game ever made
>Shows Mischief Maker which isn't that ugly besides the cover
God, you're a fuckin' amateur.

>>6703157
shut UP op dirty fag retard

>>6712354
you're really losing it tonight

>>6703157
nice b8 faggot

I forgot how fucking dead /vr/ really is

>>6711934
There are definitely uglier games than Island Peril

>>6703180
anons talking shit on this don't know shit - these designs are fucking killer. really goofy looking cartoon characters

I like how uncomfortable, goofy and experimental their designs were. But yeah it's weird.

>>6703247
Strange. This is what I like about the game. It is so fucking surreal and unique.

>>6703157
I've no idea how Treasure managed to sink this low

>>6707863
Filtered. I had it. Loved it. Finished it. There is no other 2D platformer that feels like an epic adventure. It also had nice boss fight.
>inb4 but it was one of your first games/you had nothing else
Nope I got it relatively late with 12 or 13 after I played countless other games. I still liked it.

Arrr, did one o’ ye landlubbers say... treasure?

>>6703157
I fucking loved this game, thought it was so much fun, but it felt disturbing sometimes, like what the fuck is with the creepy bosses and boss music?

https://youtu.be/VcGWQu1oDbQ?t=383

>>6715916
LOOK AT THIS!

>>6715894
You gotta keep in mind that the world of Mischief Makers isn't even the planet where the Prof. and Marina live, unless the comic posted earlier counts. It's an alien planet called Clancer where everything and everyone has those faces.
The shitty part is we'll never actually see what other worlds in the MM universe would look like since SquareJewnix holds the IP hostage, and Treasure is basically dead nowadays.

>>6715897
The fuck you mean? It was like their fourth actual game or so

>>6707639
>can't even grope the robot you built
Feminism was a mistake.

>>6716261
It's just the old "haha lol pervert old man" japanese trope. In the secret ending Marina turns into a human, the professor gets horny and she doesn't seem to mind.

>>6716398
Damn, I'm going to have to look up this secret ending.

>>6717472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTnEKQ52jSE

I just finally beat this game early this year. Could never get through the 2nd Merco fight.
It's one of my favorite N64 games and I love the style.
Weird styles are fun. Space Station Silicon Valley, Okage Shadow King, Silhouette Mirage all got me into them from their weirder styles

So was the relative lack of sprite-based N64 games a conscious decision, a hardware limitation, or both?

I’ve seen Nintendo themselves suggest the former while /vr/ has suggested the latter.

Best final boss coming through (shame it's so easy)

youtube.com/watch?v=Htx8olBbjzk

Mischief Makers Final Boss: The Beast-sector

CERBERUS ALPHA ~ ! >>(ENGAGE)<<
SASQUATCH BETA ~ ! >>(ENGAGE)<<
PHEONIX GAMMA ~ !>>(ENGAGE)<<
>> E N G A G E <<

Lunar - THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED
Merco - A HERO RETURNING OUR CALL
Tarus - TO PUNISH EVIL FORCES I HAVE BEEN CHARGED

>>6718374
God I wish we had a re-release of some kind. English subs with japanese audio. Hi-res sprites. Music without compression.
FUCK. SQUARE. ENIX.

>>6703157
It’s an N64 game.

I couldn't disagree with you more OP

this game had one of the best OST's and some of the most kino moments

https://youtu.be/dcdcX6oAhCo?t=276
>When the main bad guy literally KILLS YOU and you get to play as >>6703253

also this >>6718104 , both probably.

https://youtu.be/hRM9Y8_Is2s?t=2527
probably one of my fav cutscenes in the game where the emporer straight up lies to the beastsector and lunar's reaction

https://youtu.be/hRM9Y8_Is2s?t=4843

>being challenged by a cat to dodgeball then proceeding to ride said cat while RIDING ON A MISSLE WHILE CATCHING MISSILES AND SHAKING THEM TO MAKE GIANT MISSILES

honestly how can you not love this game

>>6715916
I don't know, dude. My dad was telling me about all this weird crap and this just reminds me of that so much that I gotta punch something.

https://youtu.be/hRM9Y8_Is2s?t=6224

Calina's transformation sequence and the you get to punch the shit out of her to win

https://youtu.be/hRM9Y8_Is2s?t=9078

>shaking the negative word clouds into positive and throwing them back at the emperor

>>6718530
I loved how you could make the missiles bigger if you shake shake them

>>6715912
>There is no other 2D platformer that feels like an epic adventure
what's wrong with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaj3yJdYAhk

>>6703157
You have no idea how much I always wanted to play this game. I never did. Does it suck?

>>6719314
It's pretty fun, give it a try.

>>6719394
I keep thinking about how the only chance Marina would have of coming back would be to get into Smash. But she's on the same fucking boat as Geno. The same distant Square-Enix boat.
In any case, she'd probably be broken. She can transform any energy projectile into healing blue gems, can stop any punch by just grabbing the fist (like with the Migen fight and Teran at the ending to get the last gold gem) and throwing it back. Would she have generic fight moves as well as mid air grabbing? Would she be super fast? Would you be able to repeatedly tap left or right to go almost as fast as Fox? Would she have air dashes? Who knows.
It's just a pipe dream. Treasure is dead and Mischief Makers will probably forever live in obscurity.

>>6719241
maybe for the time? It had an actual story to go with each level which is more than a lot of platforms had at the time. Like Yoshi Story is the only other one that comes to mind for 2d with story on the n64 and that was just "and the yoshis grew happier" after each chapter not
secret princess, royal guard, Olympics, finding children, riding a tricycle and every other story MM had for it's levels.

>>6719314
It takes a bit to get used to but it's a lot of fun and pretty much every level feels different. One of my favorites still.

>>6719552
Maybe for her projectile grab it's a random chance for the blue gem, she would be a grabber for sure, shaking to add damage, rockets for her jumps. I'd want her final to be summoning blockman to control across the screen real quick or a beast sector missile launch on the screen. I know we'll never get her but god she'd be sweet.

>>6719578
I'm stuck in the snow level with the tricycle and a large mountain rn. I don't wanna look up a guide, and what I tought was the solution was just the gold gem.

>>6719578
Oh that could work. Since she'd probably always be able to do it.
I was also thinking she could grab physical projectiles and make them bigger. Just imagine her shaking Villager's tree and being huge.
Oh, and I just tought they could give her the punch she does in the intro to the prof as her up smash.

>>6718806
I thought those were robopenises.

>>6703345
>not using LLE to fix those god-awful artifacts

>>6719314
Use Mupen in Retroarch and set RDP and RSP to ParaLLEl. Works perfectly. If you're not using a pad with 6 face buttons you'll likely want to map CL and CR to bumpers. or CR to a face button for that god awful mash race.

>>6719860
>C-Buttons for the race
You have to use the d-pad for that, retard

I think the art is actually really nice and Maria is cute

>>6721529
OP is literally gay, don't worry about it.

>>6719609
That level has 3 puzzles that you have to solve to have the star appear. I remember the tricycle gets put in the box with the one next to it, but can't remember the other 2 puzzles off the top of my head. I think the jumper guy also has a place to go after you get the gold gem with him as well?

>>6723447
I only got the "put this tricycle next to the other one" thing, but not the rest lol
Fuck it, gonna look it up

Man, it's not fucking fair how this game died in obscurity. It had soul oozing out of every orifice.
https://youtu.be/zi1Bw9wpdNI

>>6725224
>Marina's robo orifices

>>6725362
I do have to wonder... How old is Marina actually? When she turns human in the secret ending she turns either into a kid or a cougar depending on the age you put at the start when making a file.

>>6725592
She's as old as the player.

>>6703180
I could never play guardian heroes at all. The shitty graphics weirded me out Treasure = nothx

>>6720551
You're right, I misremembered.

>>6725691
It's one of their worst games. If you don't like at least 3 Treasure games you're probably a bad person with bad taste, no lie.

>>6725746
Lemme see
>Both Gunstar Heroes games
>WAAAAAAAAAARIOWORLD was basically my childhood Gamecube game so I hold it dear to me
>Epic Based and Clancerpilled Mischief Makers
Haven't tried their Astro Boy game yet and I'm shit at shmups so I haven't touched Ikaruga.

You're like Helga in the closet...

>>6725746
Silhouette Mirage is probably my other favorite from them. Though I really hate that the US version was made harder, cause I super suck at it.

Do c buttons have any advantage over mashing dpad? I know dpad moves you faster.

>>6726587
It's easier to use in the air for whenever you do a slide jump (down+a and then a again) and try to get to a far away spot, like a gold gem in one of the Volcano/Migen Shrine levels where you need to slide jump at the apex of the rising lava plattform and then air dash to the plattform with the gem.

>>6726284
Besides Ikaruga, what else does Treasure actually own? Their name shows up alongside Enix in both M. Makers and Rakugaki Showtime, the latter of which was re-released on the PS3 ages ago and also had Treasure listed under the copyright info. They may have won the rumored lawsuit for the rights of the M. Makers and Rakugaki characters, otherwise it would've only listed SquareJewnix.
Their twitter account (where they pretty much follow back everyone who follows them whenever it's active) retweeted announcements from the Sega Genesis Mini and the Game Gear Micro, so we can assume they recieve SOME money from Gunstar Heroes.

>>6726607
Ah, so only useful as a button layout kind of thing? No benefits in-engine like the dpad boosts have?

Pretty odd design decision honestly.

>>6726618
I believe the stuff they published through ESP is actually owned by Treasure, i.e. Radiant Silvergun, Bangai-O and Ikaruga.

>>6726839
I mean it's useful for whenever you need to air dash quickly.
The speed bonus only works on the ground I believe, and the air dash has less end lag when you hold onto Blockman and move him.

>>6726969
Makes ya think why they didn't just go with ESP from the get go instead of Enix.
They only own like 1/5 of all the games they've developed...

>>6703157
It's not the best pre render, no

>>6729429
I think most people who dislike Mischief Makers' visuals is because of the art direction, not because it's not "the best pre render".
I think in terms of prerendering animations, this game looks pretty smooth.

When I'm finished with her we'll be known as mischling makers

>>6703157
Reminds me of those old bug eyed anime characters.

>>6730006
Lime a cute!

>>6718806
catching the giant laser was the most fun

>>6703180
it must have been amazing to be a game illustrator back in the day, like how metzen got away with his juvenile crap during his time with blizzard.

no competing with a thousand taiwanese digital painters underselling themselves whose styles all look the same

>>6730006
Mischief/Trouble Makers is, by all intents and purposes, a campy early 90's anime turned into an action puzzle plattformer.

>>6730736
>Everyone familiar with this game says "Shake Shake" and not "Puri Puri"
I feel like a weeb

>>6731460
It's obscure enough as is.

>>6703180
Faggot

>>6703253
I thought Teran and that Marina copy were gonna fuck that one time in the caves when I was a kid. I miss being so incredibly clueless.

I really like 3d rendered sprites on the psuedo 3d backgrounds. I could be in the minority but it's a really underused style that doesn't get enough love.

>>6707639
What did he mean by this fellas?

>>6731865
Would Calina act like a slut to ruin Marina's reputation?

>>6731865
>knowing about sex as a child
Hope you either are exaggerating about you thinking they were going to kiss or get married, but otherwise, I'm sorry to hear about you getting molested, anon.

>>6731884
He wants to grope those robotiddies.

>>6731884
>>6732636
But why does he make this face when she becomes a literal child at the ending?

>>6732659
I have no idea, anon. I'm really really lost, there's definitely not enough context there to connect the dots.

>>6732395
You realize kids can know about sex without knowing fully what sex is right? Plus between 90s tv and the chance of walking in on your parents it's pretty easy to sort of figure it out beyond kissing as a kid. Like I grew up watching crewd adult comedies. I knew what sex was by like 2nd grade.

>>6732659
Because he is a man of peace and love. He does not discriminate against tiddies, whether they be flesh or robo, ripe or budding. Something we should all aspire to.

>>6732659
That's only if you were a literal child when playing it, retard. If you input 18+ as an age when making a file she turns into a mature looking onee-san type.

>>6734768
Too old.

>>6703345
holy fuck what an ugly game

>>6734889
I know you will probably still want to hate it either way, but those screenshots have emulation glitches

>>6734768
Really wish they’d made a different sprite.

The anatomy looks wonky even accounting for style and the personality she’s displaying via body language just doesnt feel like it fits Marina.

I know this is an autostic as fuck nitpick but still.

>>6715916
the music is great faggot.

>>6735005
The filename used to be "why is her neck so fucked" before i decided to put it up as a spoiler.
But yeah, it's weird. Both human Marina sprites look off. However, her being a caring onee-san isn't too far off. That Marina could just be her after getting old and retiring, I guess.

>>6734768
But he lusts after child Marina just the same...