/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6693526
this is a stealth bernie thread, i just know it. Zoomers leave!

>>6693527
what?

>>6693531
youre going to post bernie stolar, i just know it! haha we get it, le sega man so funny, but give it a rest for crying out loud!

>>6693532
who tf is berni stolar?

>>6693534
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duckduck go says hes a californian jew?

OP here am eurofag, i couldt give a streak of piss about some old ceo of sega america

>>6693541
yeah yeah likely story you creep, but you and i both know you only posted this thread to bring up bernie stolar!

>>6693545
well i have you to thank for putting a name to a face as i did wonder why he was all over this bord so ty anaon

>>6693549
well, i can't fault you for being uncouth I guess. Cheers.

so about those hdmi to component solutions?

Cheap converters like that exist and "just work", but they downscale and filter the picture and will give a very blurry and ugly result. You're not gonna get what I assume you want to get out of a CRT TV display (output to the game's native resolution and framerate).

To get there, you neen an specific setup capable of sending out resolutions down to 240p (not natively possible on Windows 7 onwards), and converting your RGB signal to a YPbPr signal (what the TV expects to get from the component cables).

If you want to know more, give me a (You)

>>6693537
that cunt looks like michael caine the more i look at him

>>6693561
tell me more sophocles, im so so interested in knowing more about the future of retro gaming

>>6693526
What kind of inputs does your screen have? Only component? Any other options? VGA? SCART? DVI?

>>6693564
>tfw can't post get carter threads on /vr/ even though it's a retro film

>>6693561
am intersted in learning more about converting hdmi down to 240p.

>>6693569
has co axial, scart and component inputs on the crt
laptop only outputs hdmi

picking it up tomorrow for free
28" lg crt

>>6693597
hdmi to scart is probably your best option.

>>6693568
>>6693593

Well my last post implied you won't be doing it from HDMI. I don't know how to do it from a laptop, or if it's possible at all. What I have for you is a pasta from the last thread someone asked this. tldr, you'll need an specific video card, with a custom driver, and possibly a video signal converter.

1. Output at the right (lower) resolutions: you can accomplish this with crt-emudriver, a custom AMD video card driver
crt-emudriver guide and list of compatible video cards:
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295

2. Get your RGB signal into the screen. You can either:
- Use a CRT PC monitor instead (and simply use VGA)
- Use a CRT TV with an SCART input (with a VGA to SCART converter)
- Use any CRT TV with a components cable input (with a RGB to YPbPr signal converter)

If you're doing the later, here are some transcoder options:
- Retrotek VGACTV1 or VGACTV2 (https://www.retrotekshop.com/products?pn=VGACTV2).). Probably the easier one to find. Comes in a nice metal box. Expensive.
- If you're not in a hurry, setup a saved search on eBay for "RGB VGA to YPbPr Component Transcoder" or something like that, and keep an eye on it. I got one from seller "linuxbot3000". He doesn't have anything listed at the moment, but he sold a cheaper and smaller alternative to the Retrotek box. Much better in my experience, as I was able to fit it inside the PC case.

As for software, the most popular is GroovyMAME (a fork of MAME which automatically changes you output resolution to the game's native resolution), but if you're interested in multiple consoles, you can get the same results with RetroArch. If you get this far, learn about super resolutions and how to set them up.

(Yes, it's a chore, but results can be great when setup correctly. Can potentially replace a whole collection of consoles, if that's your thing. Just be warned, if you decide to do it, you'll spend a lot of time on it).

>>6693614
woah look at the big brain on this gagootz, aw marone, he mustve been studyin extra hard to put all that fuckin knowledge in that fuckin brain of his

>>6693620
lmao

>>6693614
OP here
cant i just change my resolution to 640X480 on my graphics card? (has the option to do so in display settings) also have quick res installed, would either not suffice?

believe i would utilise the scart or component input if i can get away with it.

im not great with software ill be honest anon. so was looking for a more plug and play solution. (just about managed to get mame working)

youve given me alot to think about though and your ebay idea is excellent so ty to someone who seems to know whats up.

have saved the post for further reference and research

>>6693642
If you are going to pay for a new screen, you may as well buy something with DVI support, which is a supported subset under HDMI and will give you a clean digital signal.

>>6693653
nah crt was free, would only have to buy something that lets me run my laptop on it

>>6693653
>clean digital signal
yeah that's something i could get behind, even thinking about it is making me want to sing a little, here it goes:
cream on the inside, clean on the outside, ice-cream i-i-ice cream i-ice cream paint job

>>6693653
failing dvi whats the next best way to preserve Dig. signal quality in your opinion anon?

>>6693642
The 640x480 resoluton you can output on a Windows 7+ PC is progressive (480p), and most consumert CRT TV only do 640x480 interlaced (480i). So, no.

You've probably ran across the term of "progressive" and "interlaced" resolutions. If you hook a GCN or a PS2 to a TV, you get both options, but most likely only get a working image from interlaced. Most consumer CRT TVs only have 240 lines of horizontal pixels (hence, the 320x240 resolution is the standard). 480 interlaced means it's actually two 240 signals blended together, rapidly being swapped on every refresh. So it's not *really* 480 horizontal lines. Navitely, it looks very flickery. Most DVDs (and consoles) that use 480i have a software filter to make it look smooth. So 480p really has the double of horizontal lines most consumer CRT TV can handle.

To get it down to a resolution your TV can read (240p, 480i, and anything in between), you need the custom video driver, and for that, a compatible video card.

>>6693670
DVI and HDMI are your only options that are actually digital.

VGA or SCART can potentially carry an uncompressed analog signal, but keep cables short and spring for the better converter instead of the cheap one.

Composite and Component will use a form of lossy analog compression, and the most you can do to cope is to keep cables shorter than a meter and a half.

If you are using a PAL screen, your real resolution is 720x576, so don't settle for 640x480. Most good adapters these days will let you overshoot to a higher resolution and the adapter will reduce it for you. Overshooting your resolution may be a method of minimizing some of the conversion losses.

>>6693675
fuck. yeah read up on retrorgb about interlaced v progressive. which was enlightening as ive seen it for 30 odd years and never knew wtf was up with that. but recently got my childhood console out and have been fucking around with it so have been reading and researching about my options for connectivity solutions. (which has worked out nicely)

being a laptop fag i cant be fucking with videocard installs though right? i know you can bang one in a pc easily.

so is there a software exclusive solution?

>>6693724
There are USB options that can output to SCART or VGA. I don't necessarily think they are a good idea, but they exist.

>>6693724
>being a laptop fag i cant be fucking with videocard installs though right? i know you can bang one in a pc easily.

No, but you can keep this setup in mind if you get a cheap desktop PC to fiddle with. You really don't need a very powerful machine to play older consoles, I built mine using an older PC I built circa 2009 as a starting point (besides the AMD videocard, I got the best CPU that motherboard could handle from a chink seller at less than $10)

You might be lucky enough to find an already built PC with one of the compatible AMD video cards for cheap on craiglist at a "please take this trash off of me" price.

>>6693724
If you want to get fancy, there are PCIE AMD video cards that have available drivers to output the best timings for your CRT. To use such a card, you would have to place it inside an external USB enclosure. Basically something that costs more than a new screen.

>>6693754
no i dont want to get fancy! im a newfag to crts and just thought itd be cool to hook up my laptop to the thing and run some emulators when im not using my console. its a bit of a learning curve as i am not a particularly technical man and have little understanding of electronics but am willing to learn and research whats been advised in the thread (really helpful btw)

>>6693661
based

>>6693602
one of those in my area on fb marketplace for 150 keep checking to see if they drop the price down

also looking at a Sony CRT KV-21X4U 21" free to collect. god damn i love being a eurofag

>>6693526
I use something like this to get video from my PC to a CRT TV. At 640x480 it looks okay save for flickering from interlaced video.

>>6693526
>Anyone fuck with em?
Sure. I have extensive experience with them, how can I help?
>Help an ol Eurofag out.
Never mind then. lol
As with anything the best approach is to define your goal and then identify ways to achieve it. If your goal is to simply "connect" your laptop to your CRT you can use duct tape. What do you actually want to accomplish?

>>6695039
That’s definitely downscaling and adding a lot of blur to the mix, most definitely not getting native resolutions on 240p games, which beats the purpose of connecting to a CRT TV. I don’t see the point of these cables.

But if you really want to use that CRT TV somehow and don’t mind a blurrier picture, then good. All that matters is that you’re satisfied with your setup.

>>6695172
>definitely downscaling
Not at all. Have you even read the product description let lone used one? Obviously not. You don't see the point of these "cables" yet you can find them everywhere. Sounds like you need to educate yourself
Disliked and Downvoted

>>6693526
>asking a retro-board about digital-to-analog video-converters
are you stupid?
>>>/g/

>>6695086
just wanted to connect my laptop to the crt to run some emulators when im not using the console.
only problem is getting the hmdi out put (no vga) down to 240p component, just exploring user friendly solutions that dont involve vid. cards.

will happily accept blurrier pic, to be frank.

>>6695086
wouldnt that be an attachment rather than a connection? would honestly use duct tape if it gave me a picture.

>>6695289
perhaps i am.
willing to learn at least and admit when i am out of my depth.

>>6695039
thanks anon, seems like a user friendly solution!
i dont mind the image quality so much, as long as i get a usable connection im happy.

>>6695263
I’m not dissing your purchase, I’m just talking about the reality of outputs and inputs involved. You’re outputting 480p from Windows 7 onwards unless you change drivers (maybe I’m wrongly assuming that’s what you’re using?), and your TV is getting 480i (hence the flicker). It’s a downscale managed by the converter, which inevitably degrades image quality. Not saying it’s a bad solution, I’m just adding to the discussion that I wouldn’t use it, because the point of using a CRT TV for me is displaying games in their crisp native resolution.

>>6696035
>i wouldn't use it
thoughts on alternatives anon?

>>6695659
Any particular reason you don't want to play 480i/p games at their native resolution/refresh rate? Are you too hard core retro for it? Your easiest solution might well be to just output everything at 480p as that's the lowest resolution most cheap HDMI->component devices support. Probably also the lowest your laptop will and if your component CRT doesn't support it then you don't want to output to that TV anyway. If you can find one cheap and shitty enough it might not even have a frame buffer, meaning very low (OSSC tier) lag.

>>6695663
Not according to most dictionaries but those don't mean anything these days.

>>6696035
You seem very confused as to who I am. I'm just some random dude who saw someone posting about stuff he doesn't understand and told him he was retarded. The device you were being wrong about can output 480p. So if OP is outputting 480P and the device is set to 480P and his component TV can handle 480P he'll get a very good picture with no flicker. It's not rocket science.

>>6696360
The previously mentioned crt_emudriver build, that’s what I have. But I get that it’s not for everyone, so I guess if we’re down to single cable solutions, the HDMI converter is the best option I suppose, as long as you don’t get it expecting to get real 240p

>>6696457
>You seem very confused as to who I am.
??? who cares

>component TV can handle 480P
The first post talking about this device specifically was talking about “flickering from interlaced video”, so that’s not the case, and what I was trying to clarify.

But anyway, the point is clear and the person asking for this hs already states he’s going for an easier setup and not image quality, so that’s that.

>>6695659
You should just get a Wii or a Pii desu and save this project for later. Those are way easier to set up emulators that play native res on CRT

OP here

>>6696457
no reason, im just a simpleton who just wants a quick and easy wat to hook my my laptop to my crt to run emulators when im not using consoles. not hard core at all (so not too bothered about lag either but would like to keep it low if its easy/simple enough). have been looking into the ol chink converters but dont want to buy any chinazi shit, FULL STOP.
if i can find one elsewhere i shall pick it up and have a fuck around.

>>6696457
fair point anon.

>>6696518
i suspect that a smoothbrain like me would accept the simple solution as a compromise on image quality. (hdmi to Comp. cable) not holding out for 240p. will look into crt_emudriver build (?) and find out wtf that is also, thanks for the info.
yes it will output 480 easily.

>>6696539
have been looking into that too as i am confident enough to set one up and tbf, i just think its an awesome solution and something hand to have lying around. given the pi4 is alright from the reviews ive read/watched.

just realized you talking about an actual wii.
well i hadn't considered that at all and quite frankly its an interesting solution. my personal feelings on he wii aside, it could well be a viable alternative. thanks for the info

>>6696842
+1, I forgot to mention it, but a modded Wii is definitely a better idea than half-assing a PC connection.

What happened to the CRT general threads? Where stuff like this was talked about there?

>>6696842
No one has made anything anywhere but China for >9k years. You'll also need to get rid of your laptop as it was made in China. So was your CRT. Problem solved!

>>6697872
yeah probs the comfiest solution so far anon.

>>6698770
kek, true

my sony tv was made in spain (eurofag op here)
laptop was indeed made in china but gotten before china virus as an xmas present.

not sure about my crt but its likely from china.

cant wait for the west to move productions away from there if its possible to.

>>6698770

OP here turns out my CRT was made in Europe!
(LG 28CZ10RX)

>>6698386
Those threads just died. Everyone here hates on quality options for retro. Only a stupid doom-thread is still up. /vr/ is dead.

well i picked this up today for free as mentioned previously.

turns out NO COMPONENT! SVIDEO instead (480i?) not sure if such a port can be used with a laptop, am looking into it though.

but other than that its excellent and even came with remote.

>>6700202
why yes that a toilet helper i turned into a makeshift stand.

>>6700202
USA/japan - 480i
Europe - 576i

>>6700221
ah ok, thanks for clearing that up.
seems like an odd number but ok, ill look into it.

>>6700202
>that laptop
sasuga 4channer

>>6700486
>sasuga
what?

>>6700202
What is this, some russian shit? Lucky it's not RF only.

>>6701607
its an LG.
it has coax, av, svideo and scart x2
wont complain as it cost me nothing.

>>6701607
LG is south korean, you cum rag

>>6701607
>he doesn't recognize LG
what slav shithole are you from?

>>6701849

>>6701643
That's what I though. So you can carry on with your original plan.

>>6701651
>>6701849
>zoom
zoom

>>6702245

>>6702260
>zoom
>get called out
>no u
zoom away little zoomer

>>6702390
i know transitioning can be difficult anon but your labels have no ill effect on us.

lurk more kiddo

>>6702396
>not retro

that's better

>>6700147
Is the answer to get ps2/cube/xbox on vr finally? Literally only reddit and 4chan think they are not retro.

>>6703273
>begs and zooms
How sad.

>>6703273
Isn't that a good argument for not letting those consoles on? If you can talk about them being retro "literally" everywhere else then there are plenty of other places for you to talk about them, and only here for you to talk about 5th gen and under
Why would you want to turn this place into being like "literally" everywhere else

>>6702396
>>6702397
That's a whole lota projecting you got going on zoomie. Hurry up and post some more. If you post enough maybe everyone will forget how you embarrassed yourself with your earlier projecting.

>>6704654
>zoomie

you know who's obsessed with internet buzzwords and labels?

try-hard children who barely have the brain mass to rank as simian, that cannot think for themselves and desperately seek approval.

your age and lack of cognitive faculty is on full display, for even the most casual observer.

and that's what's most embarrassing here.

>>6700202
That's not too bad. Still a decent TV. You should get a S-Video/Components adapter (video quality might be compromised, but not in a dealbreaker way), and carry on with whatever build you decided to work on, you can always move it to another TV later on.

>>6705385
a simple solution, thanks anon.
will investigate some adapters for svid/ comop.
not too fussed about image quality to be frank.

>>6705091

OP here with an update:

Scored a HDMI to SCART conversion unit, so HDMI output of laptop into box, them SCART to CRT.

Works fine, no visual flicker and no lag that i could ascertain through playing
(although i suspect it is producing a small amount?)

Didn't have to fuck with shielded cables or anything as visual fidelity is acceptable (to me at least)

so yeah, can now play MAME and whatnot on the CRT when I'm not using the console.

I know its not the elitist solution but I'm contented.

Thanks anons for your input, technical information, support and suggestions. Have learnt a few things from the experience which is a boon.

Particular highlight was someone suggesting procuring a Wii as a solution, which was both novel and lateral thinking IMO.