/vr/ - Retro Games

>overrated
I’ve never heard a positive thing said about this game

>>6691769
I have both n64 castlevanias downloaded. But, it's because they're not even metroidvania, so it' hardly a castlevania game when REAL castlevania games for retro nerds were pre-metroidvanian, and this shit is post metroid tier.

>>6691769
Eh

>>6691769
The game is hated everywhere, but on /vr/ specifically there are enough hardcore Castlevania fans, me included, to actually have enjoyed it.
But it'd be insane to say that this game is even remotely good. It's a fucking mess. The good part is it feels like a real Castlevania and, thus, gets a pass. To me personally, CV64 and Legacy of Darkness feel more like a part of the series than Bloodlines. Similarly, nonsense like Lords of Shadow are better games (though not by much lmao), but worse Castlevania experiences. So it has value for fans, although not much beyond that.

>>6691817
I have no fucking idea what you're even saying, son.

>>6691769
LoD improves the game by a large margin but the nitro/mandragora is a huge turn off and affects the games quality drastically

>>6692093
Wait, what mandragora?

>>6692095
Really?
Have you not beaten it?

Can you not?

Legacy of Darkness is fine. I never played this one, but from what I gather LoD basically contains all of it's content, but plays better.

I hate 2D Castlevanias and liked Castlevania 64. Something wrong with me?

CV64 was always met with some criticism, but upon release it actually received positive reception. There was definitely no hate, mostly a 7.5 or 8 game.
Much like with DK64, it's in retrospect that it started to get actual hate or harsh criticism.
It's an actually decent 3D adventure/action game and as another anon said actually manages to feel like a classicvania in 3D, although some stages are more adventure-focused or even sort of survival horror-ish, some others are more linear and focused on platforming and action.
Personally, I enjoy it but it took me some time to get used to its controls. Once I learned how to dodge attacks (a sort of subtle mechanic that's never explained, at least not in-game) the game becomes much more manageable and fun. But as anon already said, it is probably a game that, nowadays, can mostly only be enjoyed by fans of Castlevania, or at least people who are very interested in early 3D action games.
One thing I can comment I love about it is the different outcomes in the game depending on what you do, especially the character Lenon, probably one of the most interesting item sales guys in any game I've played. Not just because of his particular appearance, but also because he's a hidden boss.
Dracula's true form and Death battles are bat shit insane, too.
>>6692309
>but from what I gather LoD basically contains all of it's content, but plays better.
I never played LoD but from what I've read, the CV64 levels got redesigned, I think made a little bit shorter/simplified. Also, CV64 has special Simon and Maria costumes you can unlock for Reinhardt and Carrie. There are unlockable costumes in LoD but they aren't the same ones.

>>6692097
Over twenty years ago. What fucking mandragora are you talking about?

>>6692508
It's not decent. It's pretty bad. I loved it for what it is, but the game is undeniably fucked in almost every way possible except perhaps for the music.

>>6692514
I honestly don't have any major complaint about it, other than "it doesn't have free camera".
It's still far from being a great game, as the Goemon games also developed by Konami on the N64, but it's also not what I'd consider a bad game, not even close.
A bad game is Superman 64, not this. This is decent and perfectly playable, and if you enjoy the atmosphere, story and lore, it's pretty enjoyable.

>>6691769
CV64 is a great game. I go back and replay it every couple years.

>>6691769
SotN felt more overrated.

>>6692508
I remember in 2004-2006 on gaming forums Castlevania 64 was already seen as a bad game.

I can pick this game up for 30 bucks. Should I?

>>6691774
>>overrated
>I’ve never heard a positive thing said about this game

and yet that is still overrated

>>6692508
You call?

>>6692642
Hell no. Are you insane? These games should cost $2 max. You must be retarded if you're even considering trading with one of those scammers.

>>6692674
Sorry $30 Canadian, so like... $20 US if that's your thing. It's on my list of things to pick up for 64, but I'm not married to the idea. I see it discussed often, so I pay attention to these threads from time to time.

The hedge maze part was cool

>>6692606
There was immediately a lot of backlash against 3D versions of 2D franchises, because they didn't live up to their predecessors, but I think now that time has past, people are learning to re-evaluate them, and appreciate what they got right.
For a long time, Megaman Legends was looked at as Megaman's failed attempt to transition into 3D, but now people realise it was never really attempting to be like the sidescrollers anyway, and it has a lot of it's own appeal.

>>6691769
Both N64 Castlevanias are unironically so much better than Shitphony of the Night.

>>6692891
I agree. I don't hate Metroid-likes, I enjoyed Hollow Knight, Axiom Verge, and so on, but Symphony of the Night just didn't do it for me. Castlevania 64 and LoD really sucked me in, they're a little janky but I prefer that janky action to SotN's braindead easy boring action. Symphony of the Night has great visuals and music but I'm better off just looking at screenshots or listening to the music on YouTube there, I really don't like playing it.

>>6692891
Rent free

>>6692891
Based and Truthpilled.

Fuck RPGs, fuck Sony, and most importantly, fuck Koji Igarashi.

>>6692891
Castlevania was never good.

>>6692891
The camera in both is awful

>>6693065
Literally git gud.

Shit game Shit fanbase Shit series

>>6693096
Shit poster

>>6693075
If only the camera was good.

>>6691769
I think my perception of them didn't age as gracefully as that of the 2D games.

Because AVGN told them to hate it

Thats literally it

The contemporary opinion of this and the updated version is that they're pretty great.

Anyone who plays it now will know that the game is fucking awesome.

>>6693302
Did on release on original hardware, did two years ago. Can't say my opinion changed much.

>>6691769
I played it for the first time last year. Loved it, I have no idea why the hate. The atmosphere and music is great, there's some cool story ideas like having more than just one vampire in the entire game like most CVs, and you get two characters. It's a great CV.

Lmao at Nintentoddlers defending this garbage.

>>6693880
Isn't AVGN often used as a strawman for anti-nintendo people to justify why some people might like certain Nintendo games, etc?
Well, AVGN trashed CV64, so no.
CV64 is liked by classicvania fans for its ties with the classic series in terms of aesthetic and tone, instead of the more bishounen approach of the metroidvanias, and also probably liked by people who actually enjoy early 3D action adventure titles and don't bitch about things like camera.
It has little to do with console wars.

Still waiting for James to revisit this classic and give it a fairer review this time instead of just ragequitting at the mandragora part.

>>6693892
It's objectively bad.

>>6693916
Why?

>>6693910
If he got to the mandragora part and still didn't enjoy it for what it is, I don't think he will enjoy the rest. I haven't watched that video in a while, but if he didn't enjoy the fact the game has actual vampire enemies other than dracula (which IIRC, you can see before the mandragora part), then I don't think he will be hooked. But who knows.
Although the review was from The Nerd, not James. Maybe James doesn't actually hate it, who knows.
Mike seems to genuinely hate it though, but Mike sucks.

>>6693924
It's early console 3D instead of being on PC.

>>6693934
Ahh, ok.

>>6693934
The heck?

>>6693880
>>6693916
Seethe harder cunt.

>>6691769
It's a bad game with great potential. The sequel is much better, but still could be better.

>>6692687
get a flashcart

>>6692687
$20 doesn't sound like a bad deal for a 20+ year old game IMO.
Also, be aware that like the other Konami games on N64, you will need a memory pak in order to save your game progress.

>>6694113
>LoD
>better than 64
Not this meme again.

>>6694164
c'mon, both games are enjoyable.
but yeah the simon and maria costumes on the first game are kino.

>>6692508
I never finished it but I remember the controls being god awful especially when compounded with the horrendous camera. I'm huge on the series, too, and it's the oldest non-portable entry in the series I never finished.

>>6694178
The controls are a bit janky but I wouldn't call them completely god awful.
One major tip I can give you is that you can dodge by tilting the stick (in either left, right, or down/backwards) at the same time as you press the jump button. It will make the character do a small hop in that direction. Extremely useful when fighting enemies.

>>6694170
I just get tired of people saying "Skip 64 and only play LoD!" they have enough differences between the two to warrant playing through both (and imo 64 has better level designs in general).

>>6694164
>an alternate costume makes the game better

>>6694213
No they don’t, 64 levels are wasted area, there is literally no reason to play 64 unless you want to see the differences

>>6694213
I don’t. C64 should have more content. Seriously, Konami team can it in 94 & release it on 96.

>>6694228
>wasted area
Fake news.

>>6694286
Quality stages > quantity of stages

>>6694291
I have played both and yes the stages in 64 have bigger areas for no reason other than to take longer

>>6691817
Must seem non.

>>6692524
>I honestly don't have any major complaint about it, other than "it doesn't have free camera".
LoD actually does have a free camera. It's controllable with the D-pad though.

>>6694164
Modded new levels

>>6694286
Justify that by modding new model.

>>6692509
It's the part of the game where you have to navigate a whole level while carrying an item that blows you up if you jump or get hit

>>6691769
>hated here
Did I wind up in some bizarro board? This is the only place I've seen actively defend the game since like 2002.

>>6692514
If you consider CV64 a "bad" game, man you have a very privileged, naive, outlook on the industry.

>>6694156
Always have.

>>6692186
kek

i played and beat it. i dont have any strong feelings for it either way it was alright. definitely not a terrible game but not really amazing either

>>6694178
You can’ do anything

>>6694164
>Whip it good
Meme are cringe at best.

Unseen characters that made into the final.

>>6701612
What characters?

>>6701629
You know.

The Villa is a great level.
>exploring a spooky mansion
>meeting NPCs like the hellrising-like dude, Rosa, Renon
>different events depending on the in-game time
>actual vampire enemies that aren't dracula
>memorable as fuck chainsaw frankie chase through the garden maze
I also honestly like the mandragora level. The mandragora part isn't even hard once you know your way.
I love the kind of locations it has too, like the planetarium.
CV64 can be frustrating the first time you play, but it's more enjoyable on replays. And it pays off due to the different endings.

>>6703907
holy shit he's posting in a CV64 thread now lol :^)

>>6703910
Rock 3D thread!

>>6694190
Agree.

>>6692891
and felt much more japanese than weebvania too.
Miss the 90s so much.

>>6693029
Iga did nothing wrong.

>>6692186
Nah

>>6692095
some Dark Lord

>>6691769

It's underrated IMO. Everybody has a huge hateboner for it but I always enjoyed it. I'll admit that the camera is wonky as hell but you get used to it. It was the first attempt at a 3D Castlevania game and was made when 3D games were very new and not thoroughly figured out yet. I think it was fine for when it was made with the wonky camera being the only exception. Game has great atmosphere IMO.

>>6691769
>I got done playing SotN
>Wow that was amazing!
>Nice! N64 Castlevania!
>Pops cart into system
>What the fuck is this shit?

>>6691769
>Grew up in the 90s
>Used to playing excellent games like Tomb Raider on the PS1
>Saved up my $ and paid full price for first 3D Castlevania
>Stayed up with my friends all night trying to get past level 2
>Couldn't because of horrible camera angles (at times couldn't see the character on the screen)
>Brought back to the store the next day

CV64/Vampire Killer >>> SotN > CVII: SQ >>>> Dracula (1982

>>6707065
You thought sotn was amazing?

>>6691769
>first page
>5 nintendo 64 threads
>9 nintendo threads

Nintendo 64 classic ??