/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6690273
It's another way to say it aged badly.

Video game reviews are irrelevant. Why would you want to know some literal random's opinion?
I'd only care if it was from an actual game developer, and even then I'd be wary of their own opinions.

How the fuck do videogames age?
It's just new games babying journalists

>>6690280
To say a game aged badly is more of a statement about current standards than the game itself.
For example, someone might play Ultima 7 and say it aged badly because the view of the game is too small and cramped, as we're now used to higher resolutions showing a much wider area than what was standard back then. It was small as fuck back then too, but we didn't expect anything better, so everyone tolerated it.

>It's just new games babying journalists
That may be true. We're all babyed by technology, I suppose. We're quick to take a new thing for granted, and if it's suddenly taken away, it's a bit frustrating and we notice.

>>6690306
Games having better QoL features is good, but people not being able to adapt is a big problem that stems from technology becoming too automatic for young people. I admit that i'm a zoomer and I used to hate on retro games until I just decided to play them seriously and you realize how stupid the "outdated" word means if you stop trying to nitpick shit because you have preconceived notions

>>6690306
>To say a game aged badly is more of a statement about current standards than the game itself.
This is true. However I don't think it's still not a valid criticism. The N64/PS1 era of early 3D is one that is often described as aging poorly. Of course that is simply a statement about how far 3D has come from the relatively ugly textures and rudimentary 3D of early 3D console titles, but it's still a valid criticism because it's true, they look like shit.

>>6690273
I'm sorry you don't understand common English, but after countless threads I have to say it's become pointless to try and explain it. If you're stupid enough that it's not readily apparent as is for most people, it's not worth the effort to try and explain it to you.

>>6690357
this obsesso again
LMAO.
1 random example on 1 random page doesn't mean anything, people can still make fun of the "aged" concept and there's nothing you can do about it. Something that was bad back then is still bad nowadays. If you only liked something because of some novelty, then it was never really that good to begin with, and if you dislike something good but can't fully enjoy it because of whatever conditioning you have due to modern standards, that still doesn't mean that it has "aged" or that it's somehow flawed, it just means you can't adapt to different things.

The whole
>aged
thing kind of makes sense in a review for modern audiences, as they're not expected to be familiar with the old standars of the past. That doesn't mean using the word here in a non ironic way isn't fucking retarded. It's about context, lads.

>>6690357
This anon aged badly

>>6690357
yeah, this anon is starting to show his age

>>6690357
This schizo again, KEK. The lengths some losers go to avoid admitting they have low IQ and no skills.

>>6690362
It's not an obsession I am just done putting effort into teaching lazy retards basic English.

>>6690427
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>>6690440
Learn the language you're using or shut the fuck up. Being proud of ignorance is pathetic.

>>6690362
Also let me make something clear. You think you've seen that same pic too many times? I only started posting it after I got sick of trying to engage you lazy fucking retards as actual humans. I no longer give a shit if you understand the language you're using, I am totally done with this. Bring it up and I'll mock you for being as stupid as you are but I'm not wasting any more effort trying to help. That image is a mockery. It's posted simply to highlight that you are too ignorant to follow any actual critical discussion. Whine that you don't understand what aging means all you like, it only highlights how worthless you are.

>>6690273
>What does it mean when retro games show their age
it means they are superior to any game made in over two decades, I guess

>>6690275
It's political correctness so current-gen fags don't bawwww and seethe.

>>6690273
Only zoomers say shit like this. Old games look old because they were made for much more limited machines.

>>6690502
tl;dr
You're not teaching any english. If people make fun of you for using "aged" to electronic games, then deal with it.

>>6690567
Lol.

>>6690563
I'm 31 and I say it.

>>6690357
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>>6690502
tl;dr indeed.

Languages evolve, words stop being used, things change.
Semantics are not an argument, is trivia at best. If you want to change someones mind try a different aproach, otherwise you are just screaming into the void and declaring yourself winner of a discussion that never took place.

>>6690706
Yeah you are actively trying to dumb down language because you're lazy and stupid and I find it repugnant.

>>6690715
>point out that languages evolve over time is trying to dumb it down
if anything you are the one doing it, holding to definitions instead of debating others points of view. You are just a stagnating.

>>6690735
You have no valid point of view. This isn't a debate no matter how many times you drag it out. Trying to dismiss a facet of criticism because it either hurts your feelings or you're too stupid to grasp it doesn't matter. I explained it eloquently till I was blue in the face and was responded to with memes and trolling. I don't care any more whether you get it. Fuck off if you don't understand English. Try and say the term doesn't mean what it does and I'll call you out fir being the lazy stupid sack of shit you are.

>>6690715
>Yeah you are actively trying to dumb down language
You have never attended a linguistics course and it shows.

for example if a shmup has annoying checkpoints, it's showing it's age and primitive

>>6690273
a game "shows it's age" by doing things which don't happen or happen differently in newer games
that is, it appear old because it does things only old games do

It's like how a species goes extinct because something out-competes it in its own niche.

Neanderthals aged badly.

>>6690427
lol

>>6690315
You can like a game despite its flaws. But he's just saying what the word means with a good example. Another might be dealing with a password system when we're used to saving.

>>6690273
I think it's more a problem with 5th gen, because they can be directly compared to modern games, after all, they ARE modern games just old ones.

>>6690562
>It's political correctness

>>6691983
something can't be both old and modern at the same time

I find interesting when things feel dated even at the time of release. When Daikatana came out and everyone was underwhelmed.

>>6690324
they look like shit, and the fact so many of thos games run at sub 30 fps doesn't help.

>>6692235
>>6690324
zoom zoom faggots.
Only idiots are unable to take the context of when something came out into play and adjust their opinions so.

>>6692242
Unfortunately most video gaymurrs are idiots.

>>6692447
True but such people should only be mocked and made to feel like the shit scum they are.

>>6692189
>something can't be both old and modern at the same time

That is literally the original definition of "retro" though.

>>6690315
It's a question of putting yourself into the right frame of mind to enjoy a thing, that goes for games but also sports, music, nature, family, work, life
Of course we are bound to have preferences and instinctively dislike lots of stuff but appreciating games is much more than doing the same things you liked in your childhood over and over
Our perception of stuff can be much better without superlatives, negativity, antagonism and fanboyism
I'm not talking about just having an open mind, it's trying to enter the right state of mind where the game was better appreciated.You can unlock a state where you can have hours of fun with a game severely limited by its technology instead of being bored to death in the first five minutes because it does not play like that thing already like

>>6691983
>3D means modern

>>6690273
>show their age

>>6690275
>aged

>>6690315
>quality of life

>>6690735
>>6691476
aged is always used as an argument ender
>it's aged so don't bother with it
you can't deny this

>>6691516
Neanderthals aged good actually

>>6693734
>neanderthals aged good actually
i dont care how sloped your moms brow is, how long her hairy arms are, she's NOT a neanderthal.

>>6693737
Neanderthals, dravidians, people all over the world have genes of either one and homo sapiens, it's only the africans that are fully homo sapien. Neanderthals always have been used as somekind of retard of the dawn of man while they actually are more intelligent.

>>6693814
Based, I wonder if you heard that from me posting about it originally. But it's Denisovans, not dravidians. You find similar %s (ratios?) of neanderthal/denisovan admixture among homo sapiens, but it's a different clutch of genes that you find in, say, asians vs. anglos. And yes, sub-saharan africans do not have this admixture.

>>6690273
"Aged poorly": something in this game mechanically doesn't work the way I expected playing 2020 AAA games. I feel it's a bad part of the game that was improved long ago by recent games of the same genre, but I'm not sure how to effectively separate this element from the game as a whole and communicate it through my review, like someone who reviews games is supposed to.

Sometimes I wonder if people in general are unable to look past graphics and the "standardized" way of doing things in games we have now. Of course some stuff really did "age poorly" (aka it's shit and it kinda was back then) but I see people complaining about a lot of stuff that is absolutely fine. Frequently those same complaints never get into what's the "obvious" fix for it, or do so without realizing it would never work without rebuilding the game from the ground up.

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>>6692595
What the fuck even is this. Stop talking. This shit is nowhere near this level of importance to be arguing over semantics for this stupidly long.

>>6693825
Nah. I heard before somewhere and yes i meant denisovans

>>6694946
It's not semantics. This is literally crying wojack posting because he's upset people keep using a word he doesn't understand even though it's common basic English for the rest of the world. His goal is to troll enough that the term can't be used on this board so it doesn't hurt his little feelings.

His willful ignorance is repugnant to me though and I'll not weaken English to coddle him.

>>6690273
It means the reviewer is incompetent. A game "showing its age" is reviewer short hand for I had a bad time but I can't actually articulate why because I don't know enough about what I am talking about. Its the equivalent to your wife\gf saying "I didn't feel like you where listening to me".

>>6696093
>Its the equivalent to your wife\gf saying "I didn't feel like you where listening to me".
yea cos that's a totally relatable scenario for most of us here

>>6690273
It means game design has matured since then and there may be decisions that weren't given a second thought at the time which seen through today's lens are really crappy or clunky.

>>6692162
Is that from the spooky anime game?

>>6696370
World of Horror, it's neat but not retro.

>>6690275
>It's another way to say it aged badly.
Which really just means they're used to games that have iterated and improved on whatever features and mechanics the author values, and going back to the early examples

Of course you won't be hearing film or book reviewers making the same complaints. They're actually take into account when something was released instead of automatically making those kind of comparisons

>>6696378
they take it into account, but if a work of art is not enjoyable to experience now, then they specify that the piece of art is interesting only to show how things were back then, and to compare it to superior works

people still like The Wizard Of Oz. it is obviously a product of its time, and was technically impressive then but not as much now. if it had nothing to offer other than being in color and having high production values for its time, and nobody today cared about the story characters or music, we would say it aged badly

>modern standards
>improved
>quality of life

>>6696378
>Which really just means they're used to games that have iterated and improved on whatever features and mechanics the author values, and going back to the early examples

>Of course you won't be hearing film or book reviewers making the same complaints. They're actually take into account when something was released instead of automatically making those kind of comparisons

Lol

>>6696093
No. After all this time you still don't get it. How is stupidity on this level actually possible?

There are very, very few works that exist completely on their own, independent from all other works and the society they were created in. And they usually don't become popular.

For everything else, they are best experienced in the time and place and culture and subculture that birthed them. The more these things change, the more divorced the work becomes from its original context, the more the work "ages". Sometimes a work is popular enough to be its own context, like Star Wars, but even most popular works don't reach that level.

So it's not the games that change, exactly, it's that everything else does.

>>6697992
Sometimes something can gain appreciation with age as well though. Ahead of its time in either design or philosophy they're often not seen for their true importance at first.

Because as the game got older, the world in which it exists keeps moving forward. Sometimes things like graphics and control schemes are entirely dependent on the context of time they were new.
Some games were so good or set the standards so high, that even going back decades later, without the need to compromise, the game is still fun to play.
Pac-Man has aged wonderfully. Everything about it is already honed to perfection and even if you CAN update it with flashier graphics and a third dimension--at its core Pac-Man is un-improvable. It's agless.

>>6698245
exactly, as newer games do the same things in better ways, older games more and more appear to be done in worse ways
objectively, old games don't actually change, but the standards that surround them do, when a game no longer aligns with the expectations of current players, it has become old

>>6698272
>in better ways
or just different ways, really
a game doesn't necessarily need to be worse than current games to be old

>>6690273
What agedcucks mean to say is that modern video games have corrupted their own sense of taste to such a degree that they now regard the flawless gameplay found on older platforms as "primitive" for inherently trivial reasons such as graphical simplicity or the lack of gape-inducing stimuli.

>>6698330
nooo you can't say the truth, the truth is ableist, sexist and racist

old games are challenging and challenge is an outdated concept

>>6698330
you make it sound like a game aging is a bad thing or an insult
something becoming aged just means it no longer fits the current standard, not that it's worse than the current standard
only if someone says "aged badly" or "aged poorly" does it mean it's below the current standard, otherwise it just means it's no longer the standard, for better or worse

>>6698330
No lol. Again you're just illiterate.

>>6692595
>Our perception of stuff can be much better without superlatives, negativity, antagonism and fanboyism
but on the internet its easier to get attention from strangers by going
>BEST EVER IT FILTERS THE PLEBS.
>JUST PLAYED (random loved game). WORST GAME EVER.
>FUCK U NEWBS. SEGA 4 LYFE.

>does it hold up?
>has this game aged badly?

It's literally the fucking same as it ever was you cunt, it hasn't changed at all, only your perceptions have.

A game, like music and movies, stays the same as when it was first mastered, it's a relic of its time, a sign of knowledge and customs, common practice. This is something that any critic outside this field understands, to gaze upon the lens of the past, you need to place yourself there. The effects produced, the feats that were accomplished, it showed the ingenuity of the time. It's a glimpse of the past and an insight into how people brought an idea to life.

The game did not age, you did. If you express that the game aged it simply shows you're incapable of truly putting yourself into a different time.

>>6701140
>The game did not age, you did.

You repeating this same line over and over again just keeps re-enforcing you don't understand the term in the first place.

>>6701246
This was my first post in this thread, but I'll bite.

Show me some examples outside games where a acclaimed critic mentions that the piece aged.

>>6690273
It means they have their copyright date on the title screen

>>6700882
>it hasn't changed at all, only your perceptions have.
Anon confirmed for thinking living in a grass hut is the same as living in a house

To me the phrase "aged poorly" means that given modern enhancements to games it is no longer fun to go back and play.

Some examples I would give:

Aged Well
Super Mario World - This game was great then and is still great now. Even normies that don't play games love to play this.

Pinball - This has aged very well, with antique machines still being a blast to play.

Silent Hill 2 - This game still looks, sounds, and plays great. It's scary as fuck to this day and has a loyal fanbase after all these years.

Sonic1/2/3
Streets of Rage
etc.

Aged Poorly:
Early CoDs - clunk af and slow compared to today's 4K games. No online? Memory cards? Some zoomies don't even know shit like that exists.

Runnin out of steam but you get my point i hope

I think it's important to form your own opinion on retro games. 10/10 people will tell you they hate FMV games from the 90's but that's literally one of my favorite genre's. They've aged like rancid goat cheese out of a frogs ass but they are hilariously funny to play sometimes yet also really intense.

Games like Lethal Enforcers 1&2
Night Trap
HELL A CYBERPUNK THRILLER (I fucking love this game)

My favorite console of all time is probable the 3DO followed by the CD-I even though that thing is truly shit.

Another aspect is if a much earlier game does something better than games after it, that is seen to increase it's "aged well" score so to speak.

A game immediately outdated by its sequel will not age well.

>>6701357
In this thread sure, but we've been over this many times as you use the exact same phrasing. Anyways I'm not explaining it again and this isn't a debate. If you're too lazy and stupid to understand a common term it's no longer my problem. But I will mock now and then when you drag the same shit out.

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>>6698974
You're doing the same thing, AGAIN

>>6701403
I very seldom post in /vr/, you might be thinking about someone else. If someone doesn't like older games, that's fine, I just simply think that the same ideology of film and music should be applied to games, I have a lot more respect for someone if they can articulate their gripes in more detail, or if they can recognize that others may have similar issues with controls and explain it in a way that shows that it isn't a flaw with the game, but with familiarity.

>>6701549
>I just simply think that the same ideology of film and music should be applied to games

It is that's the whole point. It's a commonly used term, sorry that it confuses you.

>>6701575
Again, could I see an example of it used in film or music by a current day acclaimed critic?

>>6701591
google it you sperg. In movie reviews it's mentioned a lot in regards to humor "not aging well"

>>6701737
So political correctness?
Go back.

>>6701591
I could but there's no point putting any effort it on your account since whether you understand or not doesn't matter. Have an old classic, that's it.

>>6701751
You're the one who should return to seldom posting here lol.