/vr/ - Retro Games

I loved TR3. I used the "all weapons" cheat in TR2 the very first time playing it, and it really spoiled the experience. In TR3, I let Lara discover things as I went, which added so much to the experience.

>>6671769
I'm doing the same OP, I just finished India in 3, I love exploring every nook and cranny in these.

I'd say my favorite is either 2 or 3. I'm leaning more towards 2 because that's the one I had in PS1 and played over and over, but 3 is overall better in my opinion.

>>6671769
1 is my fave with Chronicles being my least favorite.

>>6671769
It’s definitely one of the more underrated scotformers from that era.

>>6671769
TR1 and Legend

>>6671769
I just love Lara.

>>6671769
The first one is by far my favorite. The second is probably my least favorite because of how much of a let down it was.

>>6671769
I love the loading screens in TR1

Someone talk me into giving these games another go. I played one of them (maybe 2?) as a kid on a demo disc 20 years ago and didn't like it. I don't even remember anything about it, but that feeling stuck with me and I never have had the desire to try it again.

How do you get past the trucker turning? Or there mods that give you mouse control or something? Shits unplayable as is

>>6671769
I just finished Tomb Raider 4. While I will say it is definitely a classic and really enjoyable, it's not the best in the series, as there are some serious fucking flaws marring its other-wise stellar run.

>>6672340
The fuck is a scotformer?

>>6677019
You end up realizing that that's the way the game is played and get over it since the game is balanced entirely around it. This isn't Mario where you can pivot on a dime with zero forward momentum.

>>6671769
Currently playing TR3 for the first time on an emulator. Man, this game can get pretty tricky at times but it's been quite fun! My favorite, at least for now, is TR2. Certainly, I've yet to play the first one, Chronicles and 3 (or finish it, more like) so maybe that'll change, or not. I don't know, there's just something about 2 that feels special. Maybe it's because it's the first Tomb Raider I've ever played and completed.
>>6676927
The classic Tomb Raider games are quite unique. There really isn't anything quite like them. The feeling of being dropped into these mysterious and, at times, mystical and uncharted (but always hostile) territories and being left to your own devices to slowly work your way around them is just something else. Of course, the games can be kind of cryptic and confusing at times, so they will often test your patience, but when you finally manage to figure out where you're supposed to go and how you're supposed to do it, it's just so satisfying. Another thing worth mentioning is the general atmosphere of the games, which is top notch. As outdated as the games may be visually, the environments, together with the music and the sounds, do a great job of immersing you and putting you into the shoes of this reckless adventurer who goes into all sorts of dangerous places to acquire all kinds of relics to add to her collection just for fun and who happens to save the world from some unspeakable evil as a consequence. The only thing that might make it hard to get into these games are the controls, as you may find them to be terribly outdated, but that's just a matter of playing and getting accustomed to them. In my opinion, they still hold up really well and work just fine in the context of what the game requires you to do. Definitely do give them another chance if you think that they could be something you might enjoy. Like I said earlier, there really isn't anything quite like them nowadays.

>>6676927
"Give it another go"

>>6672340
>underrated

Tomb Raider was out-selling fucking Zelda at the time, anon, definitely not "underrated".

>>6677059
>that pic

Hope you picked Area 51 first.

>>6677072
You're replying to someone that types random sentences just to shoehorn "scotformer" into them.

>>6677085
Of course, I chose Nevada first. I was aware of what would happen if you pick it last. Not that it would've been THAT big of an issue as the dualies can still put in the work.

>>6677135
Yea, but Deagle ammo is hard to find and arguably one of the funnest weapons in the game.

only want to say that my love for Lara started with this topcow comics. The Lara of the games was obviously gorgeous but looking at something more realistic was all i wanted back in the days.

>>6671769
I liked 3 the best, yes it was challenging, but not super unfair.
The after enjoyed and replaying 1,2,3,4 decided to finally give 5 a go
yes I was listening to all people saying it sucks. but I had to see for myself.

First area, was mediocre, nothing special about it, then it was a submarine, and it was a bit annoying and tedious, but the next part as young lara is what made me drop it. It was complete shit. Do not attempt it.

So yes 5 is my least favorite.

>>6671769
Zoomer here. How is this any different than uncharted?

>>6678869
It came first?

>>6678869
It's good.

>>6678869
its less comical. More erotic, atmosphere, creepy, horrific, dark, suspenseful, mystic, scary and hard than uncharted.

>>6679046
>More erotic

>>6678869
It's completely different. Tomb Raider is an exploration and puzzle game. There's some combat, but it's always over quickly and the main game focus is poking around the environment and trying to navigate it. There's a lot of finding a locked door and then looking around and finding the key or a lever that opens a passage that leads to the key etc. Puzzles are environmental so watching the timing on lighting bolts or deciding which rocks to move to make a new path etc. That's really the game, explore a big dungeon and work out how to make it to the other end.

Uncharted to me is like Crash Bandicoot with cutscenes and nominal "puzzles". There's really no exploration, ever. You're on a tight path that looks really pretty but is super shallow. After going along and doing the QTE segments and action set pieces you'll then get to a "puzzle" which is not only super obvious if you've ever played adventure games, but then Drake will pull out a notebook and solve it for you.

Uncharted and Tomb Raider have similar themes, but gameplay wise Uncharted is closer to Crash or Dragon's Lair than Tomb Raider by far.

>>6679046
Honestly even though Lara has good assets and was played up in ads, Uncharted and Drake plays it up more.

>>6679046
>more erotic
WHAT? You fap to 32bit boobs?

>>6679447
I fap to cover art and loading screens

>>6679114
>unsharted being erotic

>>6679114
>uncharted
>erotic

>>6679114
>uncharted >erotic

>>6679114
uncharted
>More erotic

>>6679447
Why not? Not everybody is 2D only.

>>6679447
get out faggot

>>6679178
>Uncharted and Drake plays it up more.
his assets? The erotic?

>>6679114
uncharted
>>More erotic

>>6679114
wtf is going on here

>>6679114
uncharted
>>>erotic

>>6679695
>>6679701
>>6679703
>>6679708
>Idiot
>Samefagging

>>6679114
>>6679695
>>6679701
>>6679703
>>6679708
>not wanting to spread Drake's arse
Are you gay or something?

>>6679789
Obviously they have not played the games.

Since nobody posted it yet...

The Aragorn-posting Polish dump of Core-era TRs is back once more, GOLDs and top patches as always included.

>TR1 + GOLD (Unfinished Business)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/mmfKvWFs/file.html

>TR2 + GOLD (The Golden Mask)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/PkMmlWZY/file.html

>TR3
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/urN08HxH/file.html

>TR3 GOLD (The Lost Artifact)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/zNGd0JUy/file.html

>TR: The Last Revelation (TR4)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/q7hw80M0/file.html
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/rda9BmLd/file.html
You need both, since zippyshare had 500 MB limit and the full installer weights 577 MB

>TR: Chronicles (TR5)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/4rnIn581/file.html

>TR: Angel of Darkness (TR6)
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/JNHMxK0f/file.html
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/IuSkbFX9/file.html
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/YGNYjvii/file.html
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/GbXCo9ru/file.html
You need all four, for the same reason

And the entire set, in single package:
anonfiles com/dfi1Ba41oe/tr_wim

>>6677045
... such as?

>>6677019
You get used to the controls eventually. The level design is built around the controls being the way that they are. If a mod changed the controls to be closer to Uncharted or some shit, some parts would be impossible. While the controls feel "clunky," they actually provide more precision and predictability once you master them. Still not ideal for combat sequences, though.

>>6678615
>Lara of the games was obviously gorgeous but looking at something more realistic was all i wanted
This issue of PSM was one of my most prized possessions as a teenager.

>>6677060
I love TR2.
Besides that first level beautifully showing off the new elements like the skyboxes, lighting, and secret system, it also provided a fun challenge for returning players.
Anyone can bungle through TR1's caves even if they skipped the tutorial, but TR2 throws you in the fuck end right away.

>>6680415
gonna look for that magazine then. Thanks anon

>>6680415
found it in ITA: https://archive.org/details/PSM-010/mode/2up

Nothing in ENG/other languages :(

>>6680738
it will be on retromags soon ;)

best part is Lara's ass on the cover though

>>6680882

That's a big lad.

>>6671769
>favorite
the first one
>least favorite
3

>>6681903
Why are they keeping orcas and aliens in the same room. Why are they even keeping orcas in the first place.

>>6681926
possibly an Ecco the Dolphin reference?

favourite was angel of darkness

>>6682158
Based.

>>6677051
>The fuck is a scotformer?

Can't believe this meme is still around. It's a (mas)cot(plat)former. Games like Gex, Bugsy, etc fucking cetera that were all around in the 16 bit era.

Tomb Raider is not one, unless you have a very liberal meaning for both mascots and platformers.

>>6671769
Last Revelation is my favorite for some reason. I just always find myself drawn back to it.

My least favorite is the first. After you've played the others, the lesser capabilities like no crawling are really noticable, as well as that stupid hair in place of her trademark ponytail.

>>6682730
>no crawling
why is that an issue when the levels were designed such that crawling is never necessary?

>>6680460
It's funny I don't remember TR2 seeming like a challenge after 1 except that there was more combat. That along with the change of setting is what made it such a let down for me. TR1 is still one of my favorite PS1 games but I don't think I ever even touched the TR2 disk after beating it.

>>6678615
I remember enjoying her Witchblade crossovers.

>>6671769
Why can't I pick up the artifact in the wolves den? is this a known bug?

>>6677060
That actually looks amazing. May have to give tr1 another try. Same boat as the other anon, tried it as a kid and just didn't get it. Thanks anon

I played through Tom Raider Legend recently. It was a fun game. The controls are much more "modern" than the original games with the "tank" controls.

The other day I started up Tomb Raider 1 for the first time. I expected it to feel like a clunky piece of shit compared to the newer stuff. But, to my surprise, I actually am enjoying TR1 much more than TRL.

Since I started TR1 the other day, I have been doing my best to squeeze in a bit of playtime each day and I look forward to my next session. Never felt that way about TRL.

TRL can't touch TR1 when it comes to atmosphere and exploration. The only thing TRL does better is combat. Fortunately, it doesn't seem like combat is a major focus in TR1 anyway.

Unlike games like Uncharted, where you can hop around like a fucking monkey when you're in trouble, you need to be a lot more strategic in TR1. You can't just barge into a room or you might end up watching Lara get mauled by a pack of gorillas like a fucking blacked porno.

That's another thing--anyone else genuinely feel bad when they see Lara die? It's weird, other games never have that effect, but for some reason I hate to see Lara die. No idea why that is.

>>6681926
I thought it was a reference to Free Willy? Was a really popular movie in the 90's.

>>6686530
What artifact?

>>6686430
Trying to get a hold of the collected Tomb Raider Comics is a pain in the ass since they're prices went way up now that they're out of print.

>>6690976
>Muh coomlection
Have you tried pdf versions, you dumb fuck?

>>6681959
>>6688563
Maybe it is a reference to one of those but no clue. It certainly is odd and kind of amusing tho.
>>6687567
>That's another thing--anyone else genuinely feel bad when they see Lara die? It's weird, other games never have that effect, but for some reason I hate to see Lara die. No idea why that is.
I don't particularly feel bad whenever I see Lara die but I can sort of understand what you mean. She can die in some very gruesome ways and some of these deaths can happen very quickly, due to a very simple mistake. It's like it reminds you that Lara, despite being almost superhuman, is always putting herself in some very dangerous situations and that she is nothing more than a fragile bag of flesh and bones at the end of the day.

>>6692323
yeah, I think also the atmospheric nature of the game makes the death sequences more impactful. Because the game is so atmospheric, it becomes very immersive, even though the graphics are primitive and unconvincing by today's standards, and that immersiveness makes the deaths feel more "real."

>>6692878
Oh yeah, it's very immersive. That's perhaps one of my favorite things about these games and it's something that really surprises me even to this day, taking into consideration just how primitive the graphics are, as you mentioned. One of the biggest contributors to the game's atmosphere and its sense of immersion, in my opinion, is how minimalistic and unobtrusive the UI is and that minimalistic approach is also adopted in Lara's deaths, which is perhaps why they can be so impactful and "real". Like, for example, Lara falls from a very high place, you hear her scream, you hear a gut-wrenching sound as her body hits the floor, and she just fucking dies. No cinematic camera, no fade to black, no game over screen, no game over music, nothing. All you get is her lifeless body lying there with all her limbs bent backwards. And you can just watch it for a little bit, while the world around her just keeps on moving as if nothing had happened. It makes you think about how even this character that seemed so capable and so strong can die like a dog in an instant after one wrong move, which is in stark contrast to the power fantasy the game goes for. It can be pretty effective and I can't think of many games that do this kind of thing.

>>6693213
all solid points, I agree completely. The minimalist UI was something I noticed right away (you only see the lifebar when it's immediately relevant) but the other minor details you mentioned also add to the immersion as well
>No cinematic camera, no fade to black, no game over screen, no game over music, nothing.
>All you get is her lifeless body lying there with all her limbs bent backwards.
>you can just watch it for a little bit, while the world around her just keeps on moving as if nothing had happened
Those little details add up, I think, in making the deaths feel more "real" while also emphasizing Lara's isolation--she is all alone in some cavern somewhere bleeding to death and not only does the world go on like nothing happened, nobody even knows that she is dying. Lara's powerlessness heightens the critical nature of the situation she is in, which also adds to the immersion.

I wonder how many of these details were deliberate on the part of the designers and how many were happy accidents. The fact that they pulled this off back in '96 is pretty amazing considering that there was very little precedent at the time--not only did they pull off a 3D exploration/adventure/puzzle game almost 25 years ago, but they did it extremely well.

>>6671769
My favorite is still 1, though The Last Revelation is great and explores my favorite theme (Egypt).
III is my least favorite because of all the traps and I don't care for most of the settings except Nevada desert, Area 51 and London. It's still miles ahead of the latest TR though.

I like 1 the most primarily because it doesn't have vehicles. God fuck the kayak.

>>6679817
TR3 Gold came up 403 Error, got another link?

>>6693726
My favorite is 1 by far. Every one after that just disappointed but I admit I didn't give last revelation too much effort. After 3 I was pretty disappointed and burnt out.

Underworld is the only other one I really liked but it was so damn short

>>6692000
Wow, pdf copies, that really helps me get a hold of the physical copies you stupid nigger.

>>6692323
>>6692878
>>6693213
>>6693424
It's because of how cocky and "badass" Lara appears and acts in the game, and then suddenly seeing her demise in very abrupt, jarring ways.

It's like if you were watching Die Hard, and half-way through the movie Bruce Willis slips off the roof and tumbles off the building and fucking dies.

>>6693965
The Kayak may have been annoying, but don't lie. The overall design of the level, exploring the rapids and climbing through the river caves was fucking GOAT.

>>6694050
403 is a regional block, use vpn

>>6694921
>Coomsumer is brain-damaged
Wow, nobody was surprised by that

>>6694050
VPN if you live in Bongistan or are a Germ.
Anonfiles got also posted, but that's the whole set in a single file, so not sure if that suits you.

>>6694981
Never understood the hate kayak gets
>Playing that for the first time as a teen
>Having great time
>Playing it few times more during uni times
>Still great time
>Playing from time to time just that South Pacific
>Still great time
Is it another of those instances where TR3 is horrible on PS or something like that? Always played it on PC, always was fantastic, never had any problems with controls or anything like that.

>>6694050
Shit, just checked. Most of them are dead. Repostin', might take some time, as I'm currently sending my job-related stuff.

>>6679817
>TR2 + GOLD (The Golden Mask)
https://www16.zippyshare.com/v/IB3idxic/file.html

>TR3
https://www16.zippyshare.com/v/oVizsLMm/file.html

>TR: The Last Revelation (TR4)
https://www16.zippyshare.com/v/iWjiaLs9/file.html
https://www16.zippyshare.com/v/6Y9sTpUd/file.html
You need both, since zippyshare had 500 MB limit and the full installer weights 577 MB

>>6696583
>dipshit makes assumptions and gets assblasted when he's wrong like a manchild

Wow, what a surprise.

>>6696593
>Is it another of those instances where TR3 is horrible on PS

Probably. I don't remember there being a lot of save crystals on that section.

>>6678995
this

>>6696910
>B-but muh physical copies!
Stay mad, coomlector

This game and Half Life ruined gaming.

>>6697163

>>6697167
Stay mad zoomie

>>6697163
In what ways did Tomb Raider ruin gaming?

>>6680415
god bless Adam Hughs

>>6699454
Nobody draws Lara better than Andy Park.

>>6699515
Meh. He's good but ultimately just one of a hundred Marc Silvestri knock offs that were at Top Cow/Image at the time
AH! is pure class.

>>6671769
After having grown up with the originals and still play them occasionally, I finally got the chance to play The Lost Artifact for the first time recently and absolutely laughed at the implication that Nessie was a robot the whole time and Lara just killed it's pilot (though after the ending of 3, I think she just has a thing against pilots)

>>6700135
Yep, that was hilarious. Tomb raider should be exactly about these things.

http://xproger.info/projects/OpenLara/

>>6696928
yeah, that´s not the stuff I hammer my PP to

>your yfw when the movie wasn't bad at all

>>6701428
>your your face when

>>6701335
>Amiga
of course it is...

>>6701335
So much more soul than soulless japshit.

>>6701428
Which ones? The ones with Angelina Jolie?

>>6701936
yes

>>6703697
I barely remember anything about those movies but I think I enjoyed them, maybe. I should rewatch them sometime.

if a new game came out using the same "tank" control scheme as the original TR games, but perhaps a bit more fluid/responsive, do you think anyone would be interested in playing?

>>6705834
I think nowadays it's all depends on marketing.

>>6679114
>He doesn't know

>>6699515
badass

>>6705834
The control scheme is almost irrelevant. Maybe you should consider making a good game first instead of a nostalgia bait turd.

>>6706964
Why do you assume that I want to make a game? I'm one of the tiny minority who like the control scheme, I find it well suited to the gameplay, and I'm just wondering to myself if there is a chance any more similar games will ever be created.

Though, now that I think about it... If I did want to make a game similar to the original TR games, I would make the protagonist similar to Lara but way over the top sexualized--super slutty outfit and all of her "grunts" would be extremely sexual. She would have one liners like Gex, but they would all be sexual innuendos. I think it could be pretty dope desu. someone put together a demo and I'll contribute to your kickstarter

>>6706956
>dem eyes
>dem lips

>>6707054
Not him but I bet if a game came out that was like a new tomb raider / classic prince of Persia in 3D and it was done well, it would be a hit.

>>6707257
> new tomb raider / classic prince of Persia in 3D
I mean a game specifically with the "tank" controls

That seems to be the biggest gripe people have with the classic TR games. I might be the only person who actually prefers the tank controls--more specifically, I prefer the gameplay built around the tank controls.

bump

Bump. Always like to come back to Tomb Raider now and again. Never minded the tank controls it's just people being too impatient to learn how they work imo.

>>6710648
>it's just people being too impatient to learn how they work imo.

this

>>6687158
I'd recommend it on PC. The controls are clunky, but once you figure them out the added bonus of saving whenever you want makes for a better experience imo.

>>6710648
>>6711030
I don't really think it's lack of patience. It takes literally five minutes to get used to the controls. What it really is is people (a) not giving a fuck and (b) not bothering with Croft manor, so they end up genuinely confused why the mouse doesn't work and how to even move around, so they leave and throw a tantrum in the net about "muh tank controls"

>>6713215
> (a) not giving a fuck and (b) not bothering with Croft manor

lack of patience
Also, bump

>>6713215
>It takes literally five minutes to get used to the controls
I think it takes quite a bit longer than that if you are used to games like Uncharted. You can get the basic mechanics down in a few minutes, but the control scheme has some critical details that take a while to get used to. How the "grid" system works especially feels very foreign if you're used to more typical platformer controls.

The issue might be that people expect to go into the game and find controls that are similar to what they already know--some slight variation on the typical 3D platformer control scheme. This is a fine approach with almost every other game. But, with the original TR games, you need to be willing to toss aside your expectations and be open to exploring an entirely different way of controlling the character.

And yes, the tutorial level does a good job of showing you how the controls work.

Going through the whole Core games on console. About to finish 2, not gonna say it was a breeze but I didn't struggle a whole lot. Granted, the save anywhere helps a lot.

How fucked am I with the PS1 version of TR3? With save crystals on top of bad level design.

>>6714920
You're fucked.

>>6714920
Saving isn't even the biggest problem, the lighting is.

>>6714987
is it true that TR3 has a lot of underwater stuff? In TR1 I was always worried some big scary ass shark or sea monster was going to come get me.

>>6714920
TR3 doesn't strictly have "bad" level design. It's just that it's quite different from 1 and 2. The levels are less linear and more open ended. As a consequence, you may end up doing things out of order, which will inevitably force you to backtrack a lot more than in the previous entries. It can also be a lot more subtle as to how you're supposed to navigate certain areas, with what objects you're supposed to interact in order to proceed or telegraphing things that can potentially kill you. In this regard, it can be quite fucking bullshit and punishing. You will most likely die a lot, and often to things that you would have almost no way of avoiding if you didn't know about beforehand or if you weren't very observant. That being said, saving won't be that big of an issue. You'll just have to be a little bit more reserved and patient.

>>6715224
TR3 has piranhas in most water sections and they can eat Lara in a matter of seconds.

>>6714920
You don't. You play it on PC, and for a reason already stated - the lighting on PS is just fucking retarded. Save crystals are nothing when compared with the fact you can't see shit

>>6714354
>If you are brain-damaged, the game is quita a challenge
No shit, nigga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqgmraA-urY
bump

>>6671769
>b-but it's 3D it can't count as retro! the last retro console was the snes everything else belongs on /v/ only!

Why does she still stand above any vidya girl?

>>6720154
First fap

>>6720198
Not true in my case.

>>6671769

How long did you last OP? still enjoying it?

>>6720154
Aside from turbo bazoongas, she's cool, skilled and has some good banter throughout the games. One of the more amusing SJW revisionism regarding videogames is how much they overlook Lara's traits because they'd have no argument otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luqdKfoZfPM

>>6677060
Christ, those memories flooding back. I got killed the first time near the begining of that run. Then i decided to gun it like in the video and did the same thing. I felt like a total boss afterwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FDVHCfKAr8

First time I've ever seen this.

>>6724056
But you surely seen the AoD one with bloopers?

>>6677060
The Great Wall is the best single level in Tomb Raider and nobody can convince me otherwise.

>>6724056
Looking at her makes me uncomfortable. Soothing voice though.

Should I emulate TR games on my Switch via retroarch or should I go for PC?