/vr/ - Retro Games

Also I still don't get the relationship/difference between Elbesem and the Creator. Are they the one and the same? Is Elbesem not even their God but just the name of that silly Holy Land?

And yes, they should try and finish up that Galm-Innovator plotline if they ever make SF4.

If they ever release a SF4 I'm fine with pretty much anything they do about the triangle system or not. But its so impossible that is painful to just talk about it. Sega already killed the franchise and turned into a generic action rpg focused in waifu "social links" like persona is now.

>>6669219
Why is Camelot content with just being a Mario Sports dev nowadays? They've done nothing RPG since Golden Sun. Hot Shots Golf on the PS1 really was their turning point away from being an RPG dev.

>>6669481
They were fucked really hard by Sega by investing their time into the Saturn. They're also probably making way more money with their Nintendo contract, though they probably do hate the job.

>>6669497
Is it really a contract though? Like a 7 year "make us this many such-and-such sport titles" contract? Or is it just a case of them being comfortable with the sports gig and wanting to make more since it's good, honest money?

>>6669497
Camelot brothers have tied up their relationship with SEGA recently. Even wishing SEGA to communicate with them more often.

They even left a birthday message for them on SEGA's 60th Anniversary website. There should be no heat between them at all.

>>6669725
>There should be no heat between them at all.
Yeah, on both sides I should think. I think even the producer for the Shining series who threw a fit over the SOS (shiningforcecentral) campaign back in 2013 or so is no longer in charge of the series. So, *theoretically*, no one at SEGA should have any vendetta against Camelot of the Takahashi bros. The only big problem now is that SEGA is often reluctant to suddenly bring back old franchises as a publisher. I remember reading that the Sakura Wars revival was long due, like people in SEGA kept pitching ideas for a revival year after year, and it was only after that one big fan poll that SEGA finally decided "sure, bring it back".

But that's for their "officially published" franchises. I think SEGA's a bit more lenient for franchises where they license out the IP to some other dev and publisher. That's what happened with Streets of Rage 4 and Alex Kidd Remake. Perhaps SEGA might be more willing to work with Camelot given this second option?

No more shitty RPG spam, head to >>>/vrpg/

I remember posting this in a previous thread long ago, but my ideal solution is for SEGA to adopt a 2-way strategy for Shining titles in a possible SF4 timeline. It's similar to Sonic Mania + Sonic Forces. Basically announce two games, a classic and a modern game, to appeal to both crowds. Because even though nu-Shining is not that popular in the west, it has a following in Japan (such is the alluring power of Tony Taka elf-sluts). I won't even mind if "classic" SF4 gets a lower budget than whatever the next nu-SHining title is. I just want a continuation of those classic styles and classic storyline.

>>6669814
>shitty RPG spam
Shining Force threads are hardly a spam. Check the archive, the last Shining thread was like 3 or 4 weeks ago, i.e. early July.

Also, from the sticky over at >>>/vrpg/
>Does this mean RPGs are banned on other video game boards? No!

>>6669725
It's been a few years now but they have long expressed interesting in making a Shining Force 4: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/10/camelot_software_boss_is_keen_to_make_shining_force_iv_a_reality
Many developers are willing to make a proper new entry for many beloved Sega IPs; the problem is Sega would rather sit on them instead. Not to mention that while current Shining is just cheap 40hr ad commercial for Tony Taka's figures, they haven't even annouced/made a new game since Shining Resonance which first came out in 2014. We just don't know what Sega is doing right now, but I'm pretty sure Sega doesn't know either.
>>6669806
You mentioning the poll reminded me that Shining Force made the top 10 of series fans wanted to see revived iirc. But then again JSR was second place on that poll and we've still haven't heard anything about it since, only Sakura Wars. While I wouldn't be too opposed to Sega letting other devs work on their IPs (SOR4 was pretty fun/solid), I hope they wouldn't do that to Shining since Camelot has said they want to make a new one.
>>6669824
I would much rather that Tony Taka be still in charge of the designs but the actual gameplay/story be handled by Camelot or something. Tony design's aren't as charming as the older games to me (or even titles like EXA or Feather) but I'd be more ok with it as long as I could have the gameplay and story/world building I loved back.

Glad I caught the thread while it was still fresh this time, though I don't think I have much new SF fanart to dump this time around.

>>6669947
Biggest reason I want Camelot back is so that we can get closure on Galm et al. Takahashi has been developing Julian as a character since Holy Ark and through all three scenarios of SF3! What was the importance of him being with Jane? What were they gonna do after seeing the Holy Ark at the end of Scenario 3? Will we ever defeat Galm? Is he even evil? What about Elise? I JUST WANT CLOSURE.
>>6669950
Which character is this again? From one of the Gaiden games?

>>6669968
I really need to get to playing SF3 sometime but I still don't know when. I say as I'm going through SF2 yet again. I wonder if that's why they'd like to make a SF4. I also wonder how much of a dream is it for a SF3 re-release. Also yeah, it's Ian from Final Conflict.

>>6669982
Is it just me or does Final Conflict feel like the best Gaiden game? I really enjoyed it more than the other two.

>>6669947
>Tony
Only if you force the guy to actually start drawing the old cast or races too, if I can learn to draw a horse so can he.

>>6670107
>tfw arises a new age of buyfagging filled with figures of sexy elven torsos atop horse-like bodies
Tony Taka, should he ever work on classical Shining, will usher in a new age of centaur porn and lewd centaur figures. The entire industry of bishoujo figures will be turned upside down. Imagine that.

>>6670198
How do we convince him to also put proper armor on them?

>>6669026
Shining AND the Darkness? Lol! Putting all that work into a drawing when they can't even read.

>>6670243
That's the Japanese release title

>>6670267
Lol ohh Japan. That's an awful name that makes far less sense.

>>6670243
>>6670306
It's not really as grammatically broken as it first sounds though you might still want to tack a THE at the front. The Shining and the Darkness as a title refers to the dichotomy between to two opposing forces. Shining IN the Darkness refers to the former shining through the latter.

I agree with this anon >>6670310. It does sound very awkward but if you treat "Shining" as a proper noun to denote a certain "Force of Light" as is wont to be in fantasy works, the Japanese title does end up being grammatically sound.

>>6670310
It's just kinda funny because shining in the darkness is a good title, shining and the darkness does make grammatical sense in a way but sounds like engrish gibberish.

Anyways, pretty cool game. I liked that the dungeons are simple enough with good visual cues that I never needed to make a map. Super cute too.

Should I play the original version of SF1 or the GBA remake for my first time?

>>6670334
Original. Don't play the gba version.

>>6670360
Why not?

>>6670373
Mawlock is broken as fuck, Narsha is broken as fuck, artstyle is ugly as sin. About the only thing I liked about the gba remake was that they tried to flesh out character backstories a bit, which is one of my only gripes about shining games, so they get kudos for trying to address that.

>>6670334
>>6670360
I wouldn't say don't play, there's fun with it, but for the first experience, definitely play the original.

>>6670306
I'm pretty sure it's meant to refer to Shining as "Light" so The Light and the Darkness kinda deal. Though I think Shining in the Darkness was a far better title just because it's a neat way of refering to our heroes being the shining light against the eviltons.

>>6670334
Play SF1 first.
>>6670373
Different anon; I've played a bit of the GBA version but never finished it. The GBA version, firstly, has ugly art direction. I simply do not like how it looks. I think it is unsightly. Secondly, and perhaps of even more importance, is that the GBA version was not developed by Camelot/Sonic Software Planning (the original devs). Various story additions in the GBA version lent to some contradictions and inconsistencies in the lore of the Camelot-era Shining timeline, which I do indeed care for very much. I think only one writer from the original also worked on the GBA remake, but bear in mind the original had like 4 separate writers (according to Wikipedia) which also include Camelot's founder Takahashi Hiroyuki. I think the lack of his involvement meant there was no thorough double-checking to make sure the lore was consistent. In an interview, Takahashi did mention he was particularly thorough in creating the world of Shining.

>>6670456
Whoops, I meant "Play original SF1 first."

>>6670456
Oh right I forgot they were messing with the story a little. Still need to finish it proper sometime, but I am also looking forward to it a bit, the added characterisation, what little there is, and all that seem fun still
>looks
The lack of outlines is still just kinda bad. Almost makes you wish for a romhack that fixes just that.

https://forums.shiningforcecentral.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=40095&sid=57c008c3598ef3a859a4ed8663808d20

You guys heard of this? First time for me. A fan-made "remake" of Shining Force Gaiden Final Conflict that aims to replace the graphics of Final Conflict to make it closer to SF1 and SF2. Pretty cool.

>>6670650
Wow this actually looks pretty cool.

>>6670650
I didn't. But I also haven't played the other two Gaiden games.
So should I play this after CD, given that remakes those and adds some other stuff?

>>6670745
I'd say after CD, you play SF2 (if you haven't) followed by the original Final Conflict. Fan remakes can be nice, but I'd say experience it in its original form first.

>>6670758
I played 1-3, without the GBA remake yet. So to me that's just CD/Gaiden and Final Conflict left. And between CD and the original Gaidens I'll probably pick CD for now.
>original
Did it have a translation patch and emulates well? Nevermind then, then I'd do that, yeah.

Though given how this feels close enough from a little bit of playing, I wonder if they have the project files out there somewhere to see how they made it. That's what I'm curious about.

>>6670772
Yeah, Final Conflict has a fan translation. I'd say you go CD, and then Final Conflict. Oh, and also Shining in the Darkness and Shining the Holy Ark too, if you haven't played those. Then if you really want to finish it off, then Shining Wisdom. Though Wisdom is easily the weakest Camelot-Shining game. Still fun, but not to the level of other Shining games.

>>6670779
I remember trying Wisdom, but those controls just didn't quite feel right. At the start I had hope that it was gonna be Ys bumper cars.
But also
>game based around charging up and then charging at enemies
>you're not one of the centaurs with a lance
Minor wasted potential

>Ark and Darkness
Yeah those are on the list too still. Ark in particular because I'm curious about it from 3, and Darkness because it just looks comfy and simple.

why there was no sf2 gba

>>6671413
I'm kind of glad, seeing how they butchered SF1.

>>6671413
Could've been a collection like CD or something. But I guess it didn't fit.
A PSX collection of all the games would've been cool.

I kinda like how simple Shining Force was. I could get into it far better than say FE as it was more colorful and chill with it combat.

>>6671578
I wasn't a fan of the remake but I feel saying they butchered it is a bit harsh. For the most part you can ignore all of the added features and content. Can you give any detail why you hate it so much, maybe I forgotten something important?

>>6672061
>simple
It's great, sure it lacks a million QoL things these days but it was still neat to play, what got me was the nice and simple story and the nice style.
Also just the fact that the setting is fairly unique in how it gave you an almost star wars like melting pot of races and stuff and just kinda goes with it.
>butchered
Not them but I wouldn't call it that either, it's not as good as it could be, the artstyle in particular suffers quite a bit, but you get some added dialogue and other stuff.
What was weird to me tho is that they felt the need to give Max random lines seemingly.

>>6672061
Okay I was exaggerating a bit. I didn't think it was that bad honestly. Mawlock and Narsha were OP as shit, in a game that was already relatively easy. The artstyle is ass, the sprites look a mess on the battlefield grids. I like the character stories between battles. Not only did it add some characterization to the silent side characters, it also added some incentive to keep them alive during battles.

>>6672123
I don't remmeber Alef being that scantily dressed. Actually, you know what, I don't really remember much about Alef. I don't think I've ever used her, not even once in all my playthroughs. She joins much too late.

Today I will remind them...

>>6672293
What is this tumblr bullshit? I'm ashamed to share a fandom with these degenerates.

>>6670107
Tony can draw/make different races and I'd love for them back but I'm willing to sacrifice it a bit longer if we at least get good game play and story back. Also, what >>6670198 said.
>>6670334
Original first then remake. While I do like the original over the remake, the original localization mistranslates/leaves out some major plot twists in it that are properly translated in the remake (though it does make extra changes as >>6670456 said too). I'm still surprised there's no real fan translation patch for either SF1 or 2, but it could be that they're still pretty solid for the most part outside of that.
>>6672469
>tumblr
>when it had Devianart in the corner
That aside, there isn't really Shining fans on Tumblr to begin with.

>>6672618
>that pic
It's so funny how difficult that first fight of SF2 was. I think a lot of first time players end up losing a couple characters in that fight.

>>6672767
its honestly so fucking annoying and tedious, that i started doing to "control enemy" cheat just for the first battle to get it over with. laughably low damage numbers, dumb amount of enemies for just 3 characters (one of which cant be allowed to die), losing a turn to healing, its just a colossal fucking annoyance. spreading out the enemies and having more characters for the subsequent fights is SO much more enjoyable.

>>6672767
>>6672850
Don't everybody just grind those gizmos until they are lv 7?
The amounts of exp they give out is absurd

>>6672872
First time players wouldn't know that. I remember my first time playing SF2. Very shameful.

>>6672872
I'm replaying SF2 right now and actually didn't think about it. I'm not too far past that (just after Hawel dies) but I'll probably do they next time.

Why did SF3 have some very odd names that were basically English words? Like, see here: https://www.shiningforcecentral.com/?p=characters&id=sf3
Arrawnt was originally Arrogant, Domaric was Dominate, Tybalt was Tyranny, etc. I even double-checked with JP Wikipedia and it was correct. The weird thing is that this was mostly just for the Empire and Republic NPCs; most of your playable characters have normal names that remained unchanged in the localisation/fan-TL, e.g. Dantares, Masqurin.

SF3 is one of those very few games where I'm very glad the localisation/translation team took great liberty in changing character names from their originals. Because some of those names contains spoiler-like "hints"! Like how we Tybalt (Tyranny) eventually betrays the Republic.

>>6672872
what? dont they just give exp in like the 20s? dont you need the first battle to hit real 48/49s? or are you telling me that they always give out 20ish exp, regardless of your level?

>>6673270
Whew, where is this from? Never seen this before.

>>6673332
Namboku

>>6673297
>dont they just give exp in like the 20s?
if you don't kill them, sure
You can easily get about 65 exp points from each one and they are weak shit so you can grind like three levels per fight if you retreat on the last one

>>6673465
>>6672872
so i just turned it on and to see what you're talking about. you get 15exp for doing 3 damage. 10exp for doing 2 damage. 20exp for doing 4 damage. 24 exp for a kill. those numbers arent very high. these values were the same at level 2 as well. are they set values and you can grind infinitely? if so, i never knew that. i just always found the fight tedious and annoying, so i skipped it with enemy control once i learned the cheat. honestly, grinding a few free levels doesnt really sound like a fun or fulfilling way to play the game. sure, grinding non boost/aura characters to obscene levels sounds good on paper, but i just dont have that kind of autistic patience.

>>6669806
>I think even the producer for the Shining series who threw a fit over the SOS (shiningforcecentral) campaign back in 2013
Story?

>>6670331
>shining and the darkness does make grammatical sense
It makes all the sense. Are you stupid?

>>6672850
>that i started doing to "control enemy" cheat just for the first battle to get it over with
How fucking stupid can you be? Why a brainlet is even playing a turn-based game?

>>6672965
>First time players wouldn't know that

Why? First time players would easily find out Egress does and easily see the Gizmos are pumping you full of XP like crazy. Just because you were a shameful moron doesn't mean everyone else was.

>>6673226
No clue but it's weird. And then with the translation patches you get a little bit of both, but it's nice that they kept the ones that showed up in the first one as is, like the ones you mentioned.

>>6674081
Dunno about others but playing through SF1 I didn't learn about using egress until quite a ways in because it just didn't occur to me that it would keep my XP at no loss of cash or anything. So someone starting with 2 might not notice either, or just miss the spell entirely.
That and not everyone thinks to grind right at the first battle I imagine.

>>6674050
I double-checked, it was earlier than 2013. Like 2010-2012. Anyways, a good video to watch about this whole SOS Campaign "controversy" is here:
>https://youtu.be/rQdFcf9SE5s
Do watch *ALL* of it and don't skip any parts. I don't think even a tl;dr can summarise this. That video isn't even comprehensive, there's tons of details left out. A bunch of the SOS Campaign videos are in this playlist:
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL21D351AEA112EE7E
Once again, incomplete since a bunch were deleted. The epicentre of the whole shitshow were the SFC forums, specifically this board (you need an account to even view these posts):
>https://forums.shiningforcecentral.com/viewforum.php?f=42&sid=c11f3c609fd7cf91db66217cc12480f6
There are various other forums and news site discussing & chronicling these events, you need only google them.

I wasn't actively involved in those events and remained just an outside observer of things as they happened, but based on my understanding, that Sawada guy is absolutely the guy who made this mess a whole lot worse. He's the one who made this whole thing become an "us vs them" issue. And then Futaba Channel (2chan) got involved and made this whole shitshow a whole lot worse. We've always known SEGA favoured their Japanese fans a lot, which is natural. I understand that; they are a Japanese company. But this situation really revealed how strong that bias was. I'd wager the whole SOS mess was what contributed to none of the post 2010 nu-Shining ever getting localised, up until Resonance Refrain. Sawada was probably butthurt and didn't want those "filthy gaijin trolls" getting their hands on the games. Bear in mind, this whole thing was huge. SEGA of America took notice, SEGA of Japan took notice, even Camelot was aware. And SFC wasn't just "some" fansite; it's the oldest Shining fansite and, at the time at least, the most active. I've no doubt that for some of the Japs, SFC represented the "Western Shining fans".

>>6674050
>>6674391
Good thing you asked though, I'm rather sure there are some anons here unaware about this whole thing. This whole thing is a good read/watch, because I am certain it played a role in the fate of the Shining series in the west during the early 2010s.

Such a damn shame, though. All those reviews, Let's Plays, discussions, etc. on YouTube pre-2012. Almost all of them gone. The few that remains are the ones where the channel managed to fight back and report back to YouTube that the copyright strikes were being misused. You will notice that a huge chunk of Shining Force vids available right now are 2012 onwards. This is the reason why. It's also why certain "Retro YouTubers" like HappyConsoleGamer etc. don't have any vids of the Shining series; they were removed back then. And they never bothered to re-upload after SEGA relaxed their copyright spree.

Okay, while I was typing up >>6674391 and >>6674406 and rereading some old forums to refresh my memory, I actually found new info I've not heard of before. Can't verify so it might be just rumours, but:
>He (Sawada) has not allowed Famitsu to show up the original games on that commemorative issue of Sega. He don't allow the release of the complete collection sound CD of the original series, and still thinking he is doing a great job.
[ pic related, from SEGAbits's forums http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=2150.0 ]
If the above is true (a big if, that is), then this Sawada guy is even scummier than I thought. He is actively trying to lessen and make people forget about the legacy of classic Shining games. He despises the idea that the nu-Shining games he produced are worse than the classics. Absolute arrogance.

Okay, sorry for posting these small snippets & updates, but bloody hell. Read the next page from the link I posted here >>6674443.
Direct link:
>http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=2150.15
If what this STORM! guys posted is true, then this Sawada fella is a massive primadonna. And very childish.

>>6674391
>>6674406
Wew, I didn't know there had been this kinda drama or autism in trying to get Sega to do anything with the series in the past.

Fear that past won't help with any more new entries, but who knows.

>>6674443
Ouch, yeah that wouldn't help either. What an idiot if that's true. I mean, he can think whatever he wants, but why be an asshole about it?

>>6674391
Wow, I remember hearing about the SOS campaign, but I never knew about all this BS. SFC is an old as fuck site, its probably one of the first places I used to hang out on the internet back when I got it in the early 00's.

>>6674391
Thats really kind of sad how just a simple thing like this of fans trying to get their voices heard could blow up so spectacularly and probably had a negative impact on the whole.

>>6674075
because its a tedious slog with only 3 characters that do shit for damage, especially when you're playing on a harder difficulty to make the rest of the game fun and challenging. i didnt say it was impossible or i couldnt do it. i just said it was annoying and more fun to get on with the rest of the game.

>>6674081
you people keep saying "pumping you full of exp like crazy". 10-20 for damage, and 24 for a kill is hardly "pumping like crazy". also most people familiar with shining force are used to diminishing numbers when they level up, so when the numbers start out so low to begin with, why would they expect them to stay constant?

I have played only SitD and SF1, i will play SF2 after beating SM64, and i liked what i saw from SF3, but seeing the new games and who is behind it i like to think that the franchise died when Camelot left SEGA.

>>6675183
It's a shame it went the way it did. But have fun when you get around to it.

>>6675183
I feel the same way. Shining Force ended with 3. The series isn't anything close to what it started as these days. I gave Resonance a chance, but it just felt like a budget "Tales of" ripoff.

>>6675692
Did you try Feather?
There's no translation unfortunately, but it's a TRPG at least and the combat is kinda nice, if not classic Shining Force.
I think that and the PSP games, or at least Blade, could've been great in gameplay if they had translated them, and probably messed with the story for Blade, since that seems to be about sword spirit waifus.
Feather is about airship waifus so it's clearly superior

But that aside, I'd definitely give Feather a try, I ended up enjoying the combat quite a bit. Just wish I'd understand any of it to actually comment on the story and world.

Despite me being a staunch "Camelot-Shining is best Shining!" person, I still imported those three PSP Shining games. Still unplayed though, heh.

>>6676076
I did hear about Feather on SFC, but the fact that its untranslated turned me off. I might check it out if theres a text translation out there. The only game I've done that for is SF3.

>>6676120
Blade at least is odd in that it would be my dream combination of a Valkyria Chronicles like combat system with the Shining world. Too bad it's new Shining.

>>6676134
There is a translation in text floating out there somewhere. I forgot where though it took some finding.
Some guy made youtube videos but they relied on captions that don't exist anymore on the videos and the only guide with I think a summary of the plot and stuff is in Spanish only.
To save you the hassle, this is what I found. I think it is the captions from the videos but in .txt format. I'm sorry they're all loose like that but I didn't think to make a zip until it was all up.

volafile dot org/r/1cnte2vgg

There is a patch to translate the menus a little bit, but that only helps so much.

If you find anything else tho, I'd love to see it, because I really do want to play through Feather properly one day.
>SF3
That has a translation patch though, and frankly a really damn well polished one.

how are those SEGA AM2 shining arcade games?

>>6676158
>volafile dot org/r/1cnte2vgg
Wow thanks man

>SF3
Oh yeah I played through that with the text files when I was in college, long before the translation patch was finished.

>>6676424
Did anyone here even played those?

>>6677656
Very nice.

>>6676612
>text files
Oh alright. Yeah maybe I can get myself to that too, but man does it feel clunky. Shame there's no real easy way to just inject the text into a rom.
Or at least to just see the cutscenes on youtube with subs.

>>6678464
>desperately bumping posts still
Tick tock, you can’t outrun time

>>6678467
Are you ok?

>>6678518
Stay safe out there “anon” :^)

>>6678467
It's hard not posting the same 10 pics I usually post whenever I come across a Shining thread. For as much as I love the series I still have a lot of it to play though since I'm more familiar with Darkness, SF1 and SF2 than anything else but who knows when I'll get around to binging the others properly. I'm just glad that others still love and talk about the old games too though.

>>6679985
you also usually bump threads like these when you manage to embarrass yourself in different threads and want to bury that thread.

>>6680005
I guess so.

>>6680014

>>6680005
>>6678467
What the fuck are you niggers talking about?

>>6679997
Oh neat, never seen that before.

>>6679997
I've always had this "standard" in my mind that a centaur's lower half, i.e. the horse bit, should have the same colour as the skin in his/her upper body, i.e. the human torso. That pic's contrast of Mae's light-skinned torso and her weird white legs is weirding me out.

>>6681181
That makes no sense given that her upper half is bare skin and the lower part is covered in fur. If anything it would be weird if the fur color was exactly the same as the skin. I could see wanting the hair on her head to match the coat on her horse parts but they already come in different colors.

>>6681181
Same, I agree with >>6681207 but interesting.

>>6681181
I disagree but now I'm curious. How would you do that with skin colour? It kinda works with darker skin tones and brown fur I guess, but I'm pretty sure there isn't really any horse pattern that really matches a light skin tone.
With that "rule" of yours white is probably about as good as you're gonna get, maybe one of the very light brown ones.

>>6681207
In my take I usually coloured the hair on the human half the same as the hair on the tail of the horse. Which makes sense in my head in a way.

>>6681260
Yeah that would make sense.

Hot off the presses, new Tao art posted today. Source: https://twitter.com/38_shining/status/1290274679182172161

How exactly do I play Shining Force 3? I hear there's different scenarios and that US didn't get all of them?

>>6682142
>I hear there's different scenarios
Three, to be precise. Alongside a fourth disc that's not a scenario, but a bonus content disc called the Premium Disc.
>How exactly do I play Shining Force 3?
See here friend:
>http://sf3trans.shiningforcecentral.com/patch-instructions/
That site has all you need. Alternatively, there are pre-patched ISOs available elsewhere like on Reddit etc. which you can use to play straightaway. Uses the same patch from SFC.

>>6670328
why is SitD art always so great?

>>6682294
S O U L
In all seriousness, I think something about how it has that early 90s anime look but is somewhat infused with Disney-esque Don Bluth influences makes it very memorable and nice to look at. Clean linework, a conservative colour pallette that still manages to look colourful, character design that is noticeably less busy and simple. Compare it to other early 90s JRPG franchises; Dragon Quest's Toriyama, FF's Yoshitaka Amano, etc. The style is very different.

>>6682313
I think even for it's time a lot of JRPG and "anime" style artwork could be enjoyed if you weren't really into them. I mean it certainly had that ANIME look to it but also in kind of a way that seemed like it was shooting for world appeal rather than something to cater directly to people who buy body pillows.

>>6681934
Tao is just the best

>>6683769
So is it TAO or DAO

>>6685251
>So is it TAO or DAO
Tao.
https://sf1.shiningforcecentral.com/characters/shining-force/tao/

Can someone post the bikini tao picture? You know the one I mean

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>>6686102
>tfw canon.

>>6686102
Is that Pyra? How was she hiding all that under those tiny robes?

>>6669481
Toadstool Tour kicks ass

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>>6687297
I should really get back to SitD I was playing it on my morning commute and digging it a lot until I accidentally saved on top of my main game and lost a good 10 hours. It was good fun though.

>>6686102
Lost many seeds to this one glorious image

>>6689162
I don't think I've ever fapped to a Shining character before.

I like the art style and I'm a sucker for FE games, but this looks like it plays really cramped, similar to Disgaea and Final Fantasy Tactics games. Am I wrong?

>>6692103
Shining Force games are much more open than FF Tactics in terms of the maps battles take place on.

>>6692103
Shining Force maps are generally a mix of open and cramp, but more of the former.

>>6692103
the battles vary, but are usually pretty open. sometimes there are choke points (bridges/stairs), but thats part of the tactical aspect. death isnt permanent either.

>>6693529
How lewd.