/vr/ - Retro Games

Been playing mine a lot lately, ever since Jiggies of Time dropped. Now i'm revisiting my old favorites again... I wish there were more mods that worked on real hardware and were more than just 1-4 hours long.

>really liked quest 64 as a kid, same with a lot of other people
>recently find out it's been despised
>try playing it again to see if it was that bad
>there's something about it that feels extremely dull and too basic, end up dropping it
Is this what Mandela Effect feels like?

>>6654931
It feels like an unfinished game (which it is), but still has some charm to it IMO. It's just the game feels very empty, with few NPCs in towns.
The gameplay itself is fine I think, but I also dropped it because it was too grindy.

Any
>space station silicon valley
fans here?

Ill be buying one from a friend, two controllers, cords, console, and ten games including banjo kazooie and Mario kart 64, for $60 in a couple days. Anything i should know before I do so? Already ordered replacement joysticks

>>6654954
It's got that creepy liminal space feel going on. Kind of makes me want to play the game again.

>>6654931
Similar thing to me happened with a ds game I had when I was younger, think it was mysims or something

>kind of crappy N64 games you had as a kid, that you liked anyway
Mine was Blues Brothers 2000. Actually not that bad a platformer, but it's very glitchy and bare-bones.

>>6655286
Rugrats the Movie

>>6655329
I had Rugrats Treasure Hunt, which I hated because it looked cool on the box, but it was just Mario Party board game.

>>6655009
Be wary of those replacement sticks. They work fine and all (I got a Gamecube-like stick awhile back), but some of them can reach outside the range of sensitivity the system recognizes. You shouldn't find any problems with those games, but you'll find that if you attempt playing anything like Mario Party 1 that the stick-spinning games won't be winnable in the slightest. If the original sticks seem elastic enough, I would hold off on replacing them. Hopefully that steel stick project releases soon

>>6655286
It makes me livid that no one ever talks about Vigilante 8 and its sequel. It's always Twisted Metal when people mention vehicle combat and those games look so stiff to me

>>6655459
I prefer the game Vigilante 8 is a spinoff of, Interstate '76.

>>6655450
Alright, I ordered the original style sticks, not to be a shill but https://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-4-New-Replacement-Joysticks-for-N64-Controller-Nintendo-64-Thumbstick/400695183846?_trkparms=aid%3D1110002%26algo%3DSPLICE.SOI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20171010182220%26meid%3Dcec8deebde7d490eb41797b067cf6789%26pid%3D100892%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D251506851050%26itm%3D400695183846%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DSellersOtherItemsV2%26brand%3DHyperkin&_trksid=p2332490.c100892.m5207 Think they’ll be alright?

>>6655482
Honestly I haven't bought too many replacement sticks myself, as I've gotten lucky with my second-hand purchases.

These seem fine, Hyperkin is a pretty big name in the 3rd party controller realm so again, fine. In my opinion it's always better to go original. On multiple occasions I've had the sticks snap in half on those 3rd party replacement controllers you find in blister packaging at game stores, and I like to think that I generally don't handle my controllers roughly or anything.

That being said, 30 for 4 sticks isn't terrible but I would (myself) go out of my way to only order 1 for the time being to see if ordering more would be worthwhile

Its my favorite Era of Gaming, I love the blocky early 3D look of some games. This and the PSX.

>>6655523
Alright, I already had one n64 controller and I’ll probably buy another once I get the console from the friend. Anything cheaper seems to be outside of the US or from a not well known seller, and I don’t really want to wait a month or two for parts. Either way, we’ll see when they arrive

>>6655587
Yes, the N64 and the PSX. That covers the entire fifth generation by my count.

>>6654985
Yes, that intro was pure kino but the bears scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

>>6654931
Isn't the gameboy veresion better, and actually finished?

>>6655286
I thankfully didn't own any stinkers, but that's largely due to just not getting very many games as a kid.

>>6655450
I've got one with a gamecube stick, it came with my N64, and it mostly feels fine, but it does drift once in a while, almost like the dreaded joycon drift of modern nintendo consoles... only difference here is that L + R + Start completely fixes everything, but it is annoying that it's something I have to do so frequently... beats having a completely loose stick that grinds down to nothing I guess. But i'm not sure I'd buy a second one.

>>6655459
Beetle Battle mode in Beetle Adventure racing is the real shit.

without knowing much, i'd say good idea, TERRIBLE AWFUL HORRIBLE execution.

disks hold more, but they're fragile. and disks were given bullshit like fat voice files and video files.

i think those things are bs, if i were making a game, i wouldn't have those. but im not making a game... sad.

cartridges have something good going for them. they're sturdy and fast. just gotta keep them clean. and if only there were maaaagic developers who put amazing wonderful code in games, no fat media files, just simple stuff, and then let the computer do its magical stuff.

that be so cool. but alas. it aint real.

>>6655286
it's basically a 3d collectathon platformer, but I remember enjoying it.

>>6656730
Toy Story 2 is actually good though.

>>6656598
The thought of PS1 tier load times in OoT actually makes me slightly upset though. Ideally, we would have had a situation where developers could choose either CDs or cartridges, but then CD add-ons hardly ever seemed to pan out.

>>6654763
Started replaying quake and quake 2 on my n64. Is it weird i like these versions better then on the PC?

>>6656912
Quake 2 is a different and better game on N64 than PC.

>>6656730
Toy2 is great though the n64 is probably the worst version (still good to play but the pc or dreamcast version are much more recommendable).

>>6656912
quake was wonderful back then
i enjoyed it a lot and am not particularly into fps

I've been catching up on the N64 catalogue recently, buying all those games I missed out on or ignored as a kid, and growing my collection in the process. Playing Turok right now, it's really fun, too bad a bout THE FOG oh my gahd the fog.

Bump.

So I know that the homebrew scene is virtually nonexistent due to the difficulty of programming this thing, but what is the ROMhack scene like? Any good ones that feel like entirely new games?

Most overrated console ever. Also, SHITTY LIBRARY!

>>6655286
This be mine.

>>6662458
Overrated, sure, but the small library is very much a quality > quantity type of affair.

>>6659950
Maybe this defeats the point to you, but the recent PC port improved upon that problem.

>>6662458
Rent free, forever.

>>6662521
TWINE is the most optimized FPS on the N64 from a frame-rate standpoint at least.

>>6662591
>r-rent free
Faggot

>>6662625
>got called out
>"uh, better project my own faggotry, then!"

>>6662424
Banjo Kazooie Jiggies of Time is the only one I can think of, I only play games that run on real hardware and most hacks don't do that. I guess there's an F-Zero X hack that remakes the japan only GBA game F-Zero Climax, though that's not really "new"

The hacking scene is pretty sad but I have hope it will start to grow, especially with source code leaks and all that.

>>6662643
I've seen a few SM64 hacks that add new levels, do those run on the hardware?

>>6662643
GoldenEye has a decent console-compat hack scene, but nobody really cares/mentions the GE hacks.

>>6662651
most of them don't, SM64 hacking is usually done with emulators in mind rather than consoles, and they always exceed the limits of what an N64 can do.
Super Mario Star Road runs on hardware thanks to some edits from Kaze but the framerate dips really badly and I personally don't think it's very good.
Super Mario 74 also is apparantly console compatible but i've not tried it yet.
Super Smash Bros. Remix is a console compatible hack, it doesn't add any new modes or anything, but it has a ton of custom stages and characters, most of them are clones or semi clones like Dr. Mario, Lucas, Ganondorf, and Falco, but Wario is in and he's basically a brand new character, there are many more planned as well. You do need an expansion pak to run it though.

>>6662643
There's a bunch of Mario 64 hacks, and a Goldfinger 64 out there now.
I'd like someone to mod Yoshi's story to be a straight forward platformer, rather than having that weird fruit collection gimmick.

>>6662707
Goldfinger barely runs on console because the devs didn't know how to optimize properly. The first map takes like 40 seconds to load and runs around 7-12 FPS.

I really like the renders that came from that generation.

>>6662742

>>6662654
aren't they all mostly just one map per hack? I think they'd get more attention if they were a little more ambitious.

>>6662758
They are, sadly. There was a 5 map compilation made a few weeks ago, but it didn't really have a story or anything.

There was the one ambitious map that added enemy attack dogs, but the layout was really boring.

>>6662521
That game had a blue version. I like blue games

>>6662742
it's because you like simple art that doesn't challenge the viewer

>>6662750
Rare games are an absolute goldmine for this kind of stuff.

>>6664286
>goldmine
one man's trash is another's treasure i guess

>>6654763
Best console ever created

>Not a single reply mentioning Mischief Makers
Marina is cute. CUTE! Play her game.

>>6664552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWxLc555sgU

I wish the N64 had more sidescrollers. They should have just gone ahead and made DKC4 and Super Metroid 2. That would have been awesome.

>>6659950
>play foggy turok before school
>walk to school in the tule fog
I will never experience levels of comfy like that again

>>6665025
I always felt that an N64 sidescroller with the SSB control scheme would be quite, dare I say it, kino. I guess Tendie's mindset at the time was (with some exceptions) to go all-in on full 3D to set them apart from the PSX and Saturn. On the one hand it's too bad we don't have more 2D and/or sprite-based N64 games, but on the other hand, if we did, I might not have ever gotten into SNES, at least not back then.

>>6654763
Why were the pros and cons for developing games for the N64?

What would happen to my console if I modded like 10 of these tremor pak pluses to daisy chain together?

>>6665680
>>6665025
>tfw no 2D Mario on N64

As much as I loved Mario 64, the original trilogy and Super Mario world were what captured my heart and I was really sad that SM64 was so far removed from the 2D games in spirit. There weren't even any non-timed power ups.

>>6664286
Early Rare CGI renders seem to use their own unorthodox in-house rendering system and process that's nothing like anything else.

>>6666892
It just wasn't the time back then. 2D platformers were just not fashionable back then.
Yoshi's Story was considered a kiddy game.

>>6667073
Yoshi Story was considered kiddy because there was fucking hearts everywhere and the story was about getting back the happy happy tree or some gay shit like that, it was oozing with Barney style in an age where kids were chanting "I hate you you hate me lets get together and kill barney", it had nothing to do with it being 2D.

>>6667106
Well yeah, because Nintendo knew they couldn't market a 2D platformer to an older audience.

>>6666892
Yeah, seriously. It probably wouldn't have hurt them to throw one together on the sidelines. Let Hudson Soft make one, instead of four Mario Party games. Nintendo were just weirdly stubborn about allowing 2D Mario to exist outside of handhelds for a while there.
And now that we have it again, they hardly seem to put the effort in, and are getting shown up by Retro Studios.

>>6667116
They still end up as best sellers so sadly, much like pokemon, there's no incentive to improve. But Mario is not a merch giant in the way that pokemon is, and they did recently say they need to find a new direction for 2D Mario after the first Mario Maker released, we haven't seen an original 2D Mario since then so I've got a good feeling that the next one will be pretty good. Keeping my fingers crossed they take a Wario Land Shake It approach to the style. I think there was some mention of the 2D art in that same talk about the next 2D Mario... but none of it matters since it's not retro.

>>6667148
For that matter, I'd love a new Wario Land. Seeing Pizza Tower made me realise how much I miss that series.

>>6666851
Don’t do this, it creates mustard gas

>>6654763
N64 RANKED

Puzzle (duh) > Sports > Racing > Platformers >Fighting

>>6667262
Are you a Wetrix connoisseur?

>>6667256
Where the fuck would the ammonia come from?You need that to create mustard gas.

>>6654763

One of my favorite systems of all time, and one I still play a lot today with friends and family. Favorite games for it right now...

Goldeneye 007
Super Mario 64
Turok: The Dinosaur Hunter
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Wave Race 64
Blast Corps
Mario Kart 64
Pilotwings 64
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Pokemon Puzzle League

>>6667452
It's just a meme. It's just not a very common one. First time I ever heard it was about someone advising people to crush your balls really really hard while jerking off, and someone warned people not to because it would create mustard gas.

>>6654763

elder god tier
>starcraft 64

>>6654931
Same here. I remember liking it a lot back in the day, but I find it hard to stick to these days.

>>6667502
Am I the only one who's always thought Turok 1 was leagues better than Turok 2? I can't say much about Turok 3 though, I never had an expansion pack.

>>6668809

Yeah that's my list and I agree. Turok 1 was the better game, but Turok 2 had so many awesome things and was obviously made by talented people.

It's level design, enemies and gameply/exploration was lacking from the first.

>>6664264
I FEEL SO SUBVERTED! Like honestly fuck basic colour theory and composition in early 3d art. LIKE FUCK THAT I LIKE MY ART TO MAKE ME THINK LIKE PIC RELATED

>>6669554
>basic colour theory and composition
you're really creaming yourself for that? Fuck subversion, how about just something tasteful.

>>6669560
>warm glow
>hard shadow lighting
>over emphasis on simple effects such as water ripples and reflections

SGI renders feel so pure and lovely to look at is because it hones in on the simple physics of life in contrast with the human engineering to create renders.

>>6669581
No not the image, what you said. Your post is saying that you cream yourself over the most entry level competence.

>>6669584
ok if this era of renders are so simple then why hasnt anything come close to its style. The SGI resurgence has been around for a good three years now and i havent seen an artist come close to it. But please I'd love to see what you call challenging art

>>6669596
>if renders are so simple
>SGI resurgence
>why hasn't anything come close to this style
>Id love to see
>challenging art
well this isn't even art so you could compare it unfavorably to just about anything, even amateur works.

>>6669603
>well this isn't even art
Thanks for letting me know your posts aren't worth reading. You liking or not liking something isn't a requirement for it being considered art.

>>6669636
what you posted is functional design proofs. Those aren't artwork, they're a sales pitch.

>>6669581
I think the charm is it resembles the real world but is just different enough that it feels like a different world, one you would want to explore. I love these kinds of renders.

>>6668809
Turok 2 is technically better in a lot of ways, but Turok 1 just has an energy about it. It's such a thrill to play.
Turok 3 from what I've played of it is pretty cool. Very different game to the first two. Felt like they were trying to make Half Life for the N64. I hope Nightdive hurry up and port it to PC soon.

>>6669603
Games aren't art. They are cheap, disposable entertainment which too often tries to ape a completely different medium; movies.

>>6669581
>hard shadow
>literally just soft shadow-mapped shadows

I didn't have an n64 as a kid because we didn't have much money and I got a psone as a teenager, so I've been thinking of trying some of the classics. How is n64 emulation nowadays? Shoulf I buy a controller or can I enjoy the games with a keyboard?

>>6670271
>How is n64 emulation nowadays?
as of quite recently, pretty good
>Shoulf I buy a controller or can I enjoy the games with a keyboard?
get a controller, you need an analog stick

>>6670335
Thanks. I might be better getting a wii controller for my hacked snes mini instead of emulating in a pc then

>>6670359
the good emulators require a fairly good pc, on low power devices you'll be stuck with the older plugins

>>6670384
Is Mupen still the go-to emulator?

>>6670609
yea, mupen64plus with the paraLLEl rdp plugin is the way to go nowadays
https://www.libretro.com/index.php/category/parallel-n64/

What's the best Bomberman on 64?

>>6671138
Bomberman 64 (the normie 1997 one, not that other one) is my personal favorite, but Hero is quite good and has its fans. I never played the others.

>>6671138
64 > Hero > Second Attack

Never played the 2D one, but I doubt it holds a candle to the Saturn game or even the SNES Bombermans.

>>6659950
Shadows of the Empire is fun, somewhat.

20 games you'd put on the N64 Classic?

First Party:
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 2
Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros.
Donkey Kong 64
Diddy Kong Racing
The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask
Yoshi's Story
that kirby game
Star Fox 64
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Colosseum
F Zero X

Third Party games but I'm not sure if they could get in because of licensing:
Banjo Kazooie
Glover (may be getting a sequel)
Star Wars Episode 1 Speed Racer
Goldeneye (Because it's famous; I don't really like it)
Perfect Dark (same)
Doom 64

I feel like these are all the famous/good ones

>>6673342
>Pokemon Colosseum

>>6673342
>that kirby game
it's just called Kirby 64
you can say hoshi no kirby 64 or kirby 64: the crystal shards
but nobody cares, kirby 64 is fine

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