/vr/ - Retro Games

Of this thread?

this makes more sense than an FPGA-based home console, since the main advantage to FPGA emulation is efficiency

>>6646784
To play handheld games on a handheld.

>>6646784
Can it load ROMs? It has a SD Card slot but they insist otherwise

>>6646784
FPGA.

FPGA vs emulation is another debate itself. Personally, I wouldn't buy one but I'm glad people are doing this because when FPGA becomes acessible we could just download the verilog files and have any console we want running at full speed. I give it another 10 years to become acessible and powerful enough to run a n64.

>>6646860
They can't state officially that it will play ROMs, anon, but as soon as it get releasead a "hack" will leak. Why the hell do you think they would they put a microSD card slot? Figure it yourself.

>>6646784
To acquire jew gold from hipsters

>>6646871
>i'm a clueless child
kek

>>6646897
>i'm a clueless child
KEK! I'm an electronics/electrical engineer anon.

I literally do FPGA data acquisition systems for a living.

>>6646784
Better to get a Vita

I never got any Analogue product. I play on original hardware hook up on a CRT with flashcarts or burned CDs. I don't see a point in collecting software that can be replicated 1:1, and I don't care about cardboard. So buying an FPGA clone to play original games is pointless for me.

I have some newer handhelds (PSP, Vita, DS, 3DS). I can't stand most handheld emulation because of how they suck on most screens. I'm going to preorder the Pocket because I'm believing the games will look nice on the screen. And I just don't want to put the money on old handhelds + flashcarts.

Of course, I'm going to wait for the jailbreak. And I think it's stupid to pay half the price of the console on a dock to play fucking low-res handheld games on a HD screen.

>>6646802
fpbp

>>6646959
>I'm believing the games will look nice on the screen
The games will look nice on most screens with proper scaling.

>>6646959
>I don't see a point in collecting software that can be replicated 1:1,
I agree with you on a certain extent, from the binary perspective the rom cartridge is just a vessel that holds the information. Colecting the original box is nice though.

It's just gonna come down to how it feels in your hand compared to all the other modern handhelds you could buy

>>6647016
I really liked the filters the Pocket will have, plus the proper screen size. I played GB/GBA on my DS Lite and PSP. They look good on the DS, but I just hate the upscaling on PSP. I know the Pocket has a high-res screen, but it looks like it's going to nail the appearance. As I said, I don't want to invest in original handheld hardware, and the Pocket looks better than a PSP.

>>6646886

Why?

Of course they can. As long as they don't include the roms.
After all other manufacturers of those software emulation handhelds can do it as welll.

>>6647037
I understand. I just don't care about collecting overpriced cardboard. I only care about playing the games on the original hardware on a comfy CRT. But I'm also not crazy about it. I'm ok emulating some systems that I don't feel like investing the money. I'm more worried about being able to play the games looking nice on the screen, with a nice controller. And I get triggered by some emulator filters and upscaling.

>>6647069
Give an example of a manufacturer that does this and it's not from China, where copyright laws are non-existent.

>>6647061
>plus the proper screen size
>1440p
Why? The GBA is like 240x160 Couldn't they just put a 480p good quality IPS display? It would be cheaper. 1440p is overkill for a pocket retro console.

>>6647094
>comfy CRT
Based. HDMI muh videoqualityfags just don't get it. a tiny CRT on a dark room is part of the experience.

>>6647102
I said "proper" because it's a scale of the GB screen. I don't believe it's going to look better than the original, but I'm betting it's going to look better than an emulator on a PSP or Android.

>>6647110
If you use interger scalling it will look fine on both PSP and Android. Pocket is cool though.

>>6647110
Well you will get black bars one way or another since the GB is not the same aspect ratio. Stretch to fit is ugly and should be forbiden on any console.

>>6647102
i can think of 2 reasons off the bat
1. the system can run various consoles, things like gameboy, lynx, gamegear, gba, etc run at different resolutions, so there's not one perfect resolution, having a completely overkill resolution means you can scale up with minimal visible scaling artifacts (it's over 600dpi, no way you're seeing non-integer issues)
2. having such a high res allows for various effects, like simulating the look of an original gameboy screen complete with that slight shadow is has on it's pixels

>>6647124
>>6647110
I mean the GBA

>>6647125
I see but I still can't justify 200 bucks. 150 would be my upper upper limit. Let's be real I really don't play GB/GBA games anymore my DS and 3DS backlog is way bigger. I could justify 250 bucks for a FPGA "play every 8 and 16bit console"

>>6647140
i get it, it's a fairly niche product still, and so can't complete with more mass-market options
i can play any handheld game i want on my psp which i've owned for 15 years
this can do some things a psp can't, but nothing i'd personally spend $200 for
other people might though, again, it's niche, look up what it does and decide for yourself

>>6647153
I do the same thing you do with my 3DS. Again... I can't justify 200 bucks for it. GB and GBA emulation is pretty much figured out at this point.

>>6647175
I do the same thing with my Vita. I'm going to pick up a Black and White Pocket.

>>6647176
Must be nice receiving a 1200 bucks check from Mr. President himself.

>>6646905
How much do you make a year?

>>6647225
>talking about money
'murricans never learn

>>6647102

>1440p / 240 = 6
>4 face buttons

This thing is going to support SNES games with integer scaling with the jailbreak that comes out after launch. Probably other cores too.

>>6647186
I actually have a job. You should give it a try.

>>6647245
Problaby never. How do you think the average joe will reprogram the fpga inside? Unless they especificaly implement it inside the hardware to be programed via the usb port, making it literally a dev kit FPGA.

A very entry level dev kit FPGA alone costs 150 bucks. I would totally buy the analogue pocket if I could load my own cores in it.

>>6647102
1600x1440 is the resolution of a single eye of an Oculus Quest. Probably were able to source those existing panels cheaper than a custom panel, and they conveniently line up with the Game Boy's 160x144.

>>6647267
>I would totally buy the analogue pocket if I could load my own cores in it.
Good thing that is an advertised feature.
Anons I think you sold me on this stupid little meme machine.

>>6647140
>i can’t justify paying $200 but i can justify $150

that’s your own problem dude. the difference between $150 and $200 is negligible for most people, its practically the same amount. either its way too much for a toy or its hardly an hour’s pay difference. for me its the latter and i will get it because i love gameboy games but the hardware its kinda shit these days. honestly dude if you aren’t interested in the product then leave the thread? why are you even here?

>>6647281
>shiiiit
I didn't even read that part.
SOLD.

I'm totally buying that shit since I'm into rasbery PI and arduino.

>>6646784
FYI only the Game Gear Adapter is gonna be available for pre-order, Neo Geo Pocket Color and Atari Lynx Adapters are coming at a later date.

remember that the $100 dock is not a scam. its not meant for gameboy games to be blown up on your TV screen. its meant for the secondary FPGA board which is literally just their super nintendo product included for free. so that $100 dock makes the supernt product obsolete once the “jailbreak” comes out. Can’t wait to play NES and SNES games on my TV with this bad boy

>>6647334
I hope that means it'll have Super Game Boy support.

This thing looked really attractive at first, but I could see it collecting dust like my PSP and 3DS that I use(d) for emulation. If this thing is like $200-range, I guess I should put that money towards a Vita instead if I really want a new portable console.

>>6647350
Why not just take a switch lite for literally 200bucks and hack it for another 50bucks and get to play literally any nintendo game ever made.

>>6646784
Something for snoybois to waste their money on. $200? LMAO!!

>>6646784
Being able to play Game Gear games from the cartridge on a good quality screen seems alright to me.

The emulation/FPGA aspects are also pretty enticing but I just like the idea of a catch all boutique handheld.

>>6647350
>>6647360
because its not just an emulation machine. you can plug your original cartridges into it. the screen scales perfectly so no weirdness with scaling. you also get access to the latest FPGA which everyone seems to be doing something interesting with. as opposed to using a hacked console and having to constantly jump through anti-piracy hoops, this just werks. its really a compelling product. worst case scenario: you get a modern device to play your gameboy games on. best case scenario: you get an emulation machine that is portable with a nice screen and also outputs to HDMI.

>>6647334
What the fuck is the point of the dock if you need a jailbreak to use it? I think you have your facts wrong

>>6647468
Don't you understand that this thing is meant to be jailbroken anyways? Analogue is just covering their ass.

>>6647334
Any proof of that claim? Why can't it run directly from the handheld device.

>>6647492
No reason it couldn’t? But I’m sure most people would want to play NES and SNES on a big screen, also not on the short leash of a battery

>>6647468
You don’t need to jailbreak it to use it. Its just that portable games will look bad on a big modern screen, but no different than a super gameboy used to do.

Its about options and utility, people.

>>6646905
>i literally larp and post pictures i found on google
Kek indeed. If you weren't a lying little baby you'd know that FPGAs are very accessible. Literally hundreds of different dev boards accessible, affordable, and actually used by children your age. You'd also post something relevant not some shit you found on the internet that you don't understand and isn't what you imagine it is.

>>6647225
He makes nothing because all he does is sit in this parents basement larping. He managed to google for a picture but working out what someone would be paid for his imaginary job is far beyond the skills of a google-challenged zoomie like him.

Which color is superior? I'd get the white instantly if it had the black border, but hard to pick here.

>>6647594
I think white looks better but its going to age like shit. Guess I’m getting blacked

>>6647567
>acessible
>hundreds of bucks for the specs of a little more than 32bit console
>16bit data line
Arm dev kits are 20 bucks.

>>6647627
You're paying for materials, R&D, labor, overhead.

Build one yourself or shut the fuck up.

>>6646784
Wtf is this, the next Soulja Boy offering?

>>6646802
Kek, based.

>>6647594
I would get the white if the dock actually came in white also.

>>6647726
That name ist verboten here

>>6647594
>order aug 3
>ships may 2021
KEEEEEEEEK

Literally a year -3 months

>>6647745
Its a conservative placeholder date due to the pandemic affecting supply lines. May be sooner, may be later.

>>6646784
I perfectly emulate gameboy games on my phone and there is nothing you can do to stop me. Sometimes I wish they were real buttons, instead of virtual buttons on a touch screen though.

If anything, I'd like to own some original hardware. At that point it's more of a collector's mindset than a player's mindset.

>>6647750
Maybe be may

>>6646905
Is that fucking labview? People still use that in 2020?

>>6646784
portable MISTer

>>6647281
>analogue's proprietary hardware

>>6647281
>>6647914
MISTer runs at 110k LEs
Pocket Analogue supposedly uses the same chip as the Super Nt/Mega St that clocks in at 49k LEs.
What systems can we expect to run on this?

>>6648008
Forgot to post specs found here https://support.analogue.co/hc/en-us/articles/360046845011-Developer-FAQ/
also the display does variable refresh rate of 30hz-62hz
I am so torn on this purely from a price point/mainly scared to take a gamble on the dock if it turns out, a usb-c to hdmi adapter is just as functional.

No point. RG350m beats this in every way, and the RG351 will be released before this even starts shipping. Analogue have fucked this one up.

That screen protector looks expensive.
This hardware in GBA sp form would be incredible for portability.

>>6648149
I'm not sure about that screen protector either since it's gorilla glass. I'll definitely go for the link cable even though I don't have /vr/ friends.

>>6648004
Well... they designed the hardware THEMSELFS what do you expect?

It doesn't even have enough buttons to play ps1 games.

>>6648213
If a their proprietary cable could possible connect to a real game boy that would be great, don't think it's possible.

Also, reminder that games save to your (/flash) cartridges, for the price of a dock you can get pic related. This is pretty much game boy advance hardware and can be ran with homebrew to add cool palletes, also with a link cable you can use a GBA. Perfect controller for it.

>>6647627
>downloads the free program and loads up the sample file he found on google
>opens sample file he found pic of on google
>demonstrates mad electronics/electrical engineer skillz by adding text to it
>it's still not an FPGA
>Spews bullshit.
Top kek kid. Does that shit work on reddit? Sorry, /vr/ actually has a few people who know WTF they're talking about.
The part used in the Super Analogue NT is an Intel 5CEBA4F23C8N.
It costs 50 bucks, not hundreds. A DE10-Nano, which is I guess the only thing you've ever even heard of, doesn't even cost hundreds. You can get low end FPGA dev board for well under $20. You're just pulling shit out of your ass and it's starting to smell up the place. Put your diapers back on and go home.

>>6648308
>If a their proprietary cable could possible connect to a real game boy that would be great, don't think it's possible.
Yes, it's possible. They say on the pre-order page that it's compatible with all GB family consoles, except 1st gen GB.

>pic related
>no pic

>>6649106
can you use an official adapter between the old and smaller link cable connectors?

>>6648308
>>6649106
>pic related
Sorry about that.
>>6649321
The preorder page says
>compatible with all original GB, GBC, GBA systems except for 1st GB.
but this is under the "Pocket to Pocket Link Cable", no mention of connection to other consoles or any adapters being available. It (could) just mean games are compatible with it.

>>6649327
i mention that because i'm aware that the pocket, light, colour, advance, and advance sp all have the same link cable connector, while the dmg (first gb) has a larger version of the same connector
nintendo had an adapter you could attach to a newer link cable to support plugging it into an original gameboy

>>6649327
>>6649339
-- oh also, it doesn't make sense that the cable is unique to this device and that it's just listing software support, since there's no software support distinction between dmg, pocket, and light, they're revisions of the exact same console, so it would make no sense to say it supports pocket and light software, but not dmg, since it's the same software

>>6649348
>>6649327
I'm wrong, I saw pic left and assumed it was a proprietary/flat connection but just spotted
>Connect your Pocket to another Pocket or GB, GBC, GBA systems for multiplayer. Works as an original-style link cable.
Pic right seems to confirm it is a proper gb port.
What's interesting is they say compatible with GBA and GB/C, on the GBA you would need a GB/C cable for non Advance titles.

>>6649372
>on the GBA you would need a GB/C cable for non Advance titles.
i wasn't aware of that, while i did own a gbc and gba, i only owned a gb (newer style) link cable, so and had not tried gba multiplayer

>>6649327
Interesting that you posted a picture of an item that doesn’t output HDMI, is no longer in production, and is an accessory that connects to a console thats no longer in production.

>>6649372
Will it have Pocket to Pocket compatibility for the other systems (Game Gear, Neo Geo Pocket, Lynx)?

This seems neat but my 3DS plays GB/C/A games nearly perfectly as well as DS and of course 3DS too. I don’t see the scenario where I take this with me on a trip instead of the more functional 3DS.

>>6647097
Bleem won the lawsuit. There is precedent for you being retarded.

>>6646784
I’m not sure, honestly. It’s neat but any 2DS or 3DS can play all the same games including native GBA support at a native resolution. The 1600x1440 panel is honestly pretty cool, but using all those pixels to make it look like... much larger LCD pixels? Kind of silly imo.

>>6649348
>>6649327
>>6649372
FAQ clarifies the confusing wording

>>6648004
Eventually they'll be the next Apple or Nintendo

>>6649515
You mean the lawsuit about playing a physical copy of a game you own on another platform, not a ROM?

>>6646905
>electronics/electrical engineer
Sure bud. No one ever refers to the whole title, unless it's for a job interview or something.
t. 4th year EE

>>6646871
FPGA is emulation dumb ass. The difference is that FPGA is hardware emulation vs Software. The advantages of an FPGA is less overhead not accuracy.

>>6647102
Dude a 480p screen won't properly scale Gameboy games. They are using a 10x scaler which will make the Gameboy games have the correct aspect ratio. My question is how will GBA games look.

>>6650845
at 600+ dpi it is safe to assume even without integer scaling it will look good enough.

>>6650857
I run handhelds at integer scaling when possible. Even at high resolutions you can see artifacts.

>>6650825
>FPGA
>emulation
KEK!

Brainlet

>>6646860
Its mainly so people don't associate it with really crappy android devices, it will be added later

>>6646784
>What is the point?
to work hard and save up for something nice.

Lots of people in this thread want to compare it to an emulation box, which is really a secondary feature. I can play my original gameboy games with a screen that isn’t complete shit and charges via USB-C. Have any of you tried playing your original gameboys recently? I tried my GBA and then my GBA SP a few days ago, and fuck are they unpleasant and dated machines. But my cartridges still work and i love those games.

>>6652415
You can mod your gba to have a rechargeable usb-c battery (arguably barely a mod) and an ips or ags-101 screen, for cheaper, if you wanted to

Kinda want this, but I can't justify the pricetag when Analogue gouges their international shipping prices. It's already like $500 Australian with the dock, before factoring shipping, with the crappy exchange rate.

>>6652446
I don’t want to do that, but thanks.

>>6652520
This is an Australian problem thats not specific to Analogue. Thats just the cost of doing business in your country.

I do want one but I'm worried itll sell out in 5 minutes, be out of stuck for 6 months before they do a second minor run that also instantly sells out and then never make any more

You know, like their other products

>>6652538
Thats why the told us when pre-orders will be available. It gives us a chance to get one before the scalpers

>>6652446
I find it hilarious that all these faggots are making "mods" (aka battery packs) that require you to cut your shell when there was an actual OEM rechargeable battery pack that they could look at it see how to do it right. I swear zoomerbrain is contagious.

>>6652529
>This is an Australian problem thats not specific to Analogue. Thats just the cost of doing business in your country.
Analogues cost of postage and shipping practices has always been overpriced and questionable for people living in the US.

>>6653035
>I find it hilarious that all these faggots are making "mods" (aka battery packs) that require you to cut your shell when there was an actual OEM rechargeable battery pack that they could look at it see how to do it right. I swear zoomerbrain is contagious.
Cutting a GBA shell is really not that big of a deal hombre. I love how you shitposters cling to a false sense of superiority just because it's your preference to do nocut mods. If you weren't a brainlet you would understand that people prefer different methods of doing things for various sometimes and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>6653145
Yes but here in the USA we make double the income and pay half the tax, so we don’t notice.

So is it true the extra FPGA will support SNES?

>>6653667
One is GBC, the other one is GBA I suppose.

>>6646784
have to preorder a year in advance lol does this not scream scam to anyone yet

>>6653728
Are you aware that there is a wordwide crisis that affects pretty much everyone at this point ?
Analogue has already sold successfully several systems so far.

>>6651770
nothing he said was inaccurate

>>6653151
Putting a house-fire lipo in a GBA is profoundly goofy no matter how you choose to do it. Just buy some rechargeable AAs.

>>6651770
go back to r/emulation and kill yourself on the way there

Whats /vr/ view on FPGA?

>>6654498
It's the future.

>>6653151
>i self identify as a faggot and not in the sex way
Keep copin' kid. Your moms will always hate you for having a penis.

>>6654498
Gourmet emulation, unfortunatelly.

>>6646784
GBA was my favorite console, so this will get tons of mileage for me. If I can play SNES on it, that's just gravy.

where the fuck are the button labels? are these faggots so pretentious they can't even print 4 god damn letters?
>$200
into the trash it goes.

>>6657158
Damn, anon. Where do you live that you can just throw $200 into the trash? How often do you do that? Asking 'cause it may be worth it for me to swing by once or twice to pick ur trash.

>>6654498
I have the original SNES via S-video on a 32" Trinitron, and the Nt mini, Super Nt, and MiSTer on a 55" Samsung. I haven't touched the original SNES in months; I play either FPGA system at least weekly. My daughter plays the Super Nt weekly as well.

Convenience is a huge factor when you're buying these things. You can hook them up to an HDMI splitter and tuck them away in the entertainment center. The 2.4GHz 8BitDo controllers allow me to sit comfortably on my couch at the other end of the room. I notice no lag, but sometimes I'll plug in an original controller to be "safe" with some games.
I oddly now like the look of the faux scanlines with the systems, and I tend to use corrected aspect ratios on them as well. Because my Samsung has great picture quality, the colors are rich and the black borders are truly black.

Damn. I sound like a shill.

>>6653732
No, they were an unemployed basement dweller before the pandemic and literally would not have noticed there was one if it wasn't mentioned online.

>>6647102
Integer scaling. 1440p is actually a perfect scale for gameboy. Also the 1440p screens are going to be cheaper to produce then 480p. Just because technology is old doesn't mean it's cheaper to produce.

Also very well could be Oculus displays found for cheap.

>>6647627
fuck off frenchy

>>6653035
You can still put regular batteries after doing the "mod", all you remove at worst is a little divider piece

>>6653035
It's dumb. Can't they just buy new batteries?

>>6657261
oh no, you are a shill for enjoying products. how dare you do that, here, on a video game discussion website. you aren't supposed to enjoy things!!!

>>6654498
zoom

>>6657534
>cope

>>6657576
Having a USB rechargeable system is very convenient. Even if it cost a few bucks. Or even dozens of bucks and requires console genital mutilation like the soimods.

>>6646860
Not on stock, but there's always a hack. This is likely done to save face in the eyes of copyright holders and avoid crossfire

>>6647069
>Of course they can. As long as they don't include the roms.
You're confusing "legal' and "not getting sued until you have no more money". They are, unfortunately, not the same.

>>6646802

Gotta be honest, it looks like a pain to hold. Hope the final product is a little more beveled on the edge

>>6647140
>I still can't justify 200 bucks. 150 would be my upper upper limit
The difference in screen costs is nowhere near $50.

>I could justify 250 bucks for a FPGA "play every 8 and 16bit console"
I expect it will unofficially support every system MiSTer does, soon after release. No hurry to buy it now.

>>6658074
It sure does, anon.
That's the reason I won't buy one.
>>6658096
I doubt that. The product will be out of stock - and then some autist has to be dedicated enough to port (and maintain) MiSTer cores for this thing. Unlikely to happen. Especially if the thing is - like al Analogue systems - never in stock.

>>6647102
The screen is the limiting factor of retro game emulation in general and it can't be fixed with a fpga. It can be mitigated with extra resolution, however. Processing like aspect correction and filters attempt to compensate for hardware that's not built the same as the original.

Can it play Boktai?

>>6658806
I hope it can. If I pay $200 and can't play WarioWare Twisted I will be very upset.

>>6654498
I'll care once it's better than emulation for queer architectures like N64 and Xbox.
Until then I don't really see the utility.

>>6654498
Good for nuclear missile silos where electronics fail and electronic parts can't be replaced because the company that made them went out of business 60 years ago.

>>6646784
To line shithead retard Christoph’s pockets full of shekels.

>>6646784
To make money
Considering I bought into the Mega SG
and they released ONE batch of sega adapters a year late that sold out immediately.... I wont be buying one of these.

>>6658806
Isn't the light sensor on the wrong side? Pretty sure it is on the inner (non-label) side, so the Pocket will be blocking the sensor. Guess you'd need to create an extender (or use a suitable Gameshark et al) to move it up into view.

>>6658810
Twisted should be fine.

Speaking of carts with physical hardware, I wonder if the cartridge slot will be accessible from user created cores. Could use the DS rumble pak, and the DS spinner (with some sort of extender), to enable rumble in games such as Pokemon Pinball without the physical cart, and create games/ports with spinner controls (i.e. a Tempest core).

>>6659747
Christoph definitely seems like a huge chode. Members from some communities referred to him as a pretentious douche when the CMVS came out. If it weren't for kevtris and MLiG I wouldn't be buying Analogue's products.

>>6646784

Wasting your money

>>6657158
The button layout differs between systems, I prefer no button printing in this case.

At first, I didn't see the point because I was dumb and didn't know what FPGA emulation was. I'd probably get one if, when docked, you could also play SNES/Genesis games with the same accuracy

>>6662804
This

>>6646784
How do you even do the LCD filter.
I've been trying to manually create the LCD effect in gimp but it's hard.

>>6665459
what are you referring to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VbA7TR2R0I

>>6665473
It's something I've been trying to do for the day for fun. I took a screenshot then tried using GIMP to simulate the look of a 3DS screen, but it's more difficult than I expected, though it's mostly because I'm using gimp and it doesn't seem to have tools to do what I want.
The LCD filter on the Pocket looks really good though, so I've been wondering how one could make a good looking LCD filter.

345$~ for some really fancy renders and big promises, fuck it. I'm in. Can't wait to be burnt again.

>>6665497
i've never seen a 3DS screen, so i'm not sure what they look like specifically

I'm good with my clockwork pi, y'all can simp over this hunk of premium plastic but my console is good enough for me

>>6665558
What's the $45 for?

>>6665573
Mine is an original model and it has vertical BGR stripes, the whitepoint is 8000K, maybe higher.
The top screen has rectangle pixels due the screen having a weird resolution of 800x240. This causes a scanline effect in 2D mode.

>>6665624
shipping
Also, just noticed the dock is 1080p. Really wish it was 4k for those shaders, or at least so it wont be upscaled poorly.

>>6665624
interesting, don't see why you couldn't modify an existing colour lcd shader to act more like this though
though changing from horizontal to vertical pixels could be a challenge

>>6665642
lol I don't even know how to program shaders
But maybe I'll take a look at the GBA shader in retroarch.

If you want to play GB/GBC/GBA on your TV with LCD filters, MiSTer already looks fantastic

https://youtu.be/g-XZCGUvr2I
https://youtu.be/Ht6rqhnxv5E

>>6646784
Probably to torture me. I've been going back and forth if I want it. I've recently gotten into portable games and this can play a lot of the games I want to play. I am not sure if the d-pad and buttons will feel right so it might not be worth jumping in now. It could be great for me as with the dock it could output to a monitor which is my preferred way to play games. However >>6665632 noted the dock only does 1080p and I'd rather an output to 1440p for my own play or 720p for my capture cards. People here have hinted that it may gain other cores like ones to play SNES/Genesis/etc. ROMs too which would make it very worthwhile. Yet the worst part is they have the preorder set for a couple days from now, during this pandemic, when after my first stimulus check was not enough for rent, even with the added "hero bonus" for working in this time, the reduced hours means I'm still getting in less than before and this Analogue Pocket with the dock is so expensive. I understand they sell luxury goods, which are out of my pay grade, but I wish there was a cheap alternative which did the things it does. It is also a bullshit time for Limited Run to finally release empty longboxes for sale which would be great for a lot of the Saturn, SegaCD, and Playstation game cases I have cracks on, at $95USD shipped for 10. I hate being this poor.

>>6667241
The dock is going to be the item that sells for the most on the aftermarket.

>>6667241
Someone please explain the appeal of this controller. The GameCube button layout seems awful for Game Boy games.

I never really cared for other FPGA consoles but I'm interested in the Pocket because right now there's just no good way to play portable games on original hardware. The DS Lite only plays GBA games and everything made before the DS Lite has an awful screen.

The price point does duck, I'm fine paying $200 for the console but I'm not sure if I can spring another $100 for the dock and $30 for each adapter. And If I don't preorder that stuff right away it will probably become extremely expensive too.

>>6667528
Am I a joke to you?

>>6667545
I said original hardware, that's emulation

>>6667498
Greatest third-party controller of all time.

>>6667552
So is Analogue Pocket.

>>6667323
I am not concerned about reselling, as I intend on using it. It is true though, that Analogue really knows how to push the FOMO. I wanted the clear SNES, but could never save up enough to get it, and then they just discontinued it to make it a collector's item. That's why I am debating if I can absorb the debt just to get the portable and dock, I am not sure they will continue to produce the portable, plus I realized I'd probably want the DAC too since I have more analog displays. Their products just get increasingly more expensive and out of reach for me.

>>6667498
I was not into portables until much later. Had a TurboExpress and I really got one with a NGPC. I preferred to display portable games via a console to a larger screen like with the Gameboy Player and Super Gameboy 2. I did not have the foresight to get a Super Gameboy controller for the Super Famicom, but the Gamecube back then had a tiny D-pad which was not great for average sized hands. Thus, the Hori controller still has an A and B button plus a larger d-pad which works pretty well to me. While I do prefer the feel of Sega Saturn controllers, SNES styled controllers are pretty good too.

>>6667917
Yes. But not the same kind of emulation.

>>6667741
The brand is great but why that layout? I'm not playing smash with this.

how is this legal?

>>6668362
Bleem! vs Sony lawsuit set a precedent

>>6668323
It's a controller designated for use with the Game Boy Player. You might get away with it for Gamecube-native software but it's not designed to be used for anything but GB/GBC/GBA games.

>>6651842
>really crappy android
Only autistics think this and they can keep their chink shit or psp/vita/3ds shit emulation devices. They deserve to be ignorant.

>>6646823
Main advantage of FPGA emulation is putting hardware accurate devices into more peoples hands. If you were given a controller in a dark room and didn't know it was an FPGA under a curtain or real hardware, you wouldn't be able to figure it out. That is the point.

>>6650825
No. Keep shut no one wants to hear your retardation about accuracy when that is what fpga is.

>>6647094
>Comfy
kek, fucking cringe.

>>6669115
Good goy

>>6668271
>epic sign faggot posted!!!!!!!

>>6669115
Do FPGA devices like this have cheats and savestates and stuff?
I can still extract enjoyment from playing them, but I don't really have the patience for the way older games handled difficulty.

Also when would we see FPGAs reach the point where they can play N64 games? I can stomach emulation usually but games like Banjo Kazooie/Tooie and Majora's Mask emulate like shit.

>>6669115
>If you were given a controller in a dark room and didn't know it was an FPGA under a curtain or real hardware, you wouldn't be able to figure it out. That is the point.
this can be done with software emulation as well

>>6669176
>Do FPGA devices like this have cheats and savestates and stuff?
it's not impossible
>Also when would we see FPGAs reach the point where they can play N64 games?
once powerful enough FPGAs that don't cost a first born are made

>>6669115
>if zoom zoomeie zoom zoom
It's not magic kiddo

>>6667528
Have you tried the new 2ds xl?

I modded mine and it's now my most favorite console. It runs ds natively gba vc injects play flawlessly, and p much anything can emulate snes/gen/gb/gbc.

>>6669740
>gba vc injects
Gross

>$200

>>6670095
God I wish that were me

>>6670095
>"this is what i was wearing, tell me i was asking for it"

>>6670095
imagine

>>6667741
>>6669031
>>6668271
All you retards missed my point. The asymmetrical GameCube face buttons seem shit for Game Boy games. Hori's controller for it's predecessor for the Super Game Boy has a more Game Boy like layout, so why the fuck doesn't the Game Boy Player version?

>>6646784
sell

>>6672074
Well the Hori Digital Controller tried to marry the designs together more I think. The much larger A button is actually kind of nice because you are hitting that button 90% of the time in most games. There's definitely other options out there now so you don't have to do that but I still think its the best way to play GBC/GBA games.

>>6654498
it's a thing that at least one person in the world likes so we hate it

>>6646784
Oh wow. Didn’t know these little babies existed. Going to buy one buy when they have more color variety but so far everything looks great.

>>6650825
dumbass, he's right

>>6669249
>this can be done with software emulation as well
Nope

>>6672348
Well it can, but it would need to be a box with video hardware that the emulation software can access directly, rather than having to go through an OS graphics system. Bonus points for a direct-access cartridge port and controller ports.
Currently no one seems interested in building such a thing.
Full-FPGA tickles the fancy of hobbyists who find it fun to build a logic-gate replica chip-by-chip, and traditional software emulation tickles the fancy of hobbyists who find it fun getting existing commodity hardware to act like other hardware.
"Specialized I/O hardware connected to a general-purpose CPU running software emulation" doesn't seem to be anyone's passion yet.

>>6672978
you don't need to go that far for next-frame latency
and even if you add a frame it doesn't really affect the feel of a game much, real games on original hardware vary by more than a frame already (only systems as old as the 2600 have consistent next-frame latency, because they're too limited to process things even a single frame ahead of time)
http://www.retroarch.com/index.php?page=latency
no, not every core can do this yet, but the point is that it is indeed possible with software emulation

>>6646784
>200$ without accessories
it looks to have a nice build quality, has built in synth tracker, good battery, good video out with the dock
resolution seems to be a bit overkill for the systems it is designed, and it's pretty pricey. you'll probably have to wait for decent unintended software support.
i'd say just go for some chink handheld with open source software, unless you have some specific need for a device like this.
you can probably find ones like the rg350 for less than 90$ and it'll support psx emulation.

>>6646784
If I lived in the US I'd buy one of these to scalp.
Following the pattern of Analogue's previous releases they turn into collector's items because of limited production numbers. If they produce more this time 'roud, what the hey I'd have a thing I can use, if not, make bank.

However with their extortionate international shipping it'd eat any potential profit.

>>6673473
Even in the US you get charged a foreign transaction fee.

4 hours until showtime. I am really on the fence of this purchase

>>6646784
REAL chads tape out their own reimplementation of original hardware.

>>6646905
>I literally do FPGA data acquisition
as an EE, you're not doing EE work so you're either not an engineer or you're so fucking garbage at doing anything important that your boss has put you in timeout.

>>6646784
>Analogue
>no analogue stick

>>6674490
the format
not the imput

>>6674502
but it only takes carts with digital data and digital interfaces

>>6674530
that's the point

What's the fucking point? FPGA doesn't give you any additional accuracy compared to what the best gb/gbc/gba emulators already have on offer. The only thing that toy has going for it is VRR 1440p display.

>>6674575
FPGAs advantage is efficiency, not accuracy
you can do more accurate emulation with less power than a general-purpose cpu with software
i don't know how well they did in this regard in this specific product, or if it even matters in this case (i imagine accurate gameboy emulation would not require all that much power, the gameboy is pretty chip-light, so you probably could emulate it just fine on a very low power modern ARM SOC), the backlight might well completely overshadow the processor in this case

>>6674586
ps. i do think if FPGAs are going to be advantageous anywhere, it's in battery-powered applications, though they're still pretty expensive, and arm socs have gotten very fast and cheap due to cellphones, so even in this areas i'm not sure if fpgas hold an advantage in practice

>>6674586
So, essentially, slightly longer battery life and 1 less frame of input lag at the cost of versatility? Hard pass. When I buy a $200 handheld, I'd want to play any retro console on it, not just a handful of tendie handhelds. That screen is really enticing though, I'd love to see it on something that resembles Vita, coupled with a powerful CPU that can run Mame/FBN well, VRR is really beneficial for arcade games.

>>6674617
>1 less frame of input lag
even that is not something software can't do, see >>6673016
demonstrating software emulation that responds on the very next frame, literally no more latency than original hardware or fpga, more latency is not a guarantee with software

>>6674641
Some emulators incur additional input lag, some don't. Some work well with run ahead which can make the latency lower than on the original hardware. That is irrelevant, as my point was FPGA was utterly useless in that thing. It's not some magic circuits that's gonna make your gaming experience better, you're just sacrificing versatility without any tangible gain.

>>6674663
yes, well right now they do, but imagine if you could have accurate n64 emulation in a handheld with 8+ hour battery life? that'd be pretty nice
though again, the chances of fpgas becoming competitive with arm-based socs considering the applications driving their development... not holding my breath

>>6674686
I'd rather play Saturn/PS2/DS/heavyweight arcade games on a handheld than 8hrs of N64 thank you very much.
Still blows my mind that PSP could emulate PS1 perfectly in 2004, but apparently 2020 is to early to emulate PS2 on the go.

>>6646860
No, but it should work with a flashcart.

>>6674692
sure, you get my point though
the psp couldn't emulate the psx perfectly, btw, it has it's fair share of issues

>>6674692
the ps2 is a massively more complex and faster system than the psx
even the jump from a 33MHz cpu to a 297MHz is not the biggest of your hurdles, you also have a far more capable gpu, and two complimentary vector processing units (which gave the ps2 proto-shader capabilities), not to mention the super fast 3.2GiB/s memory bandwidth, yea, that's no snail even by today's standards

I was thinking about getting one, and the dock, but then I realised after shipping and handling, likely looking at 500 CAD

>>6675096
Yeah these things are collectors items.
They have a huge premium attached and aren't actually very good value for money.

Get a Mister and a PS Vita to hack if you just want to play games and mess around with FPGA hardware.

>>6646784
If you say yore not buying one then yore either lying or a jealous poorfag.

kinda off-topic, but can anyone explain how the "single-buffer" option actually works? Specifically, how does it introduce less lag if it's effectively doing the same thing as fully buffered?

Can someone explain the whole hardware VS software emulation thing yall are talking about with fpga? How does that even work? It's still different hardware emulating hardware that it isn't.
Also isn't what keeps emulators legal is that it doesn't use any original code? If fpga is basically a dump of everything a console has then how is it not the same as using source code?
Is it better than an emulator with 100% compatibility?

>>6674692
Psp has same architecture hardware as ps1, so there's very little emulation going on, which is why most games just work without any tweaks.

>>6677570
It's more like different hardware transformed into original hardware.

>>6677570
a software emulator work by doing general math on a fixed-function cpu, taking the original game instructions, and determining what the output would be on the original hardware and at what times it would happen relative to real time and other chips in the original system
it's like calculating how high a ball bounces on a whiteboard using known physical laws using math

an fpga on the other hand, is a matrix of programmable logic gates, that is, instead of running maths on a general maths processor, you make your own custom processor out of basic logic elements
so instead of figuring out what the original hardware would do in a given situation, you simply implement the original hardware on the fpga directly
it's like just creating an actual ball and letting it bounce

software emulators only simulate the hardware, they don't ship with firmware, same with fpga's, they simulate the hardware, just in a different way, you also need to provide things like bios images with an fpga emulator
and no, there's no practical difference between a software and fpga emulator. an fpga emulator may potentially be more efficient, since it can be multiple chips running in parallel, an fpga emulator may also have lower latency, since you can push pixels out the instant they would be made on an original console, most computers are designed with tradeoffs between performance and latency, doing things in batches is generally faster overall, but adds latency, in practice, you have over 16ms to push out a frame at 60Hz, which is plenty of time for software even with a modern OS running underneath, so identical latency is possible in the case of running games

So is anyone actually buying this thing?

>>6678584
Nah, my GB/GBA still work fine. And I can emulate them on my 3ds too.

>>6678584
if Analogue hadn't fucked everyone over with the Mega SG adaptors for the Game Gear...
I MIGHT consider it, but no.

>>6678584
I thought I wanted one of these for recording footage, but then I realized MiSTer FPGA is the better option and I rather play on my CRT and record/stream in HDMI than actually play this shit in public

>>6678584
>Why yes, I do love buying the same old Cyclone-based system over and over again with pretty much just the firmware being different, how could you tell?

>>6678584
Probably not. How many bought their other products?

150 bucks is the upper limit for a normal person. The rg350 does 10x more and costs 70 bucks shipped. 200 bucks is the price of a switch lite. The only people buying it are youtubers /vr/ shills and richfags.

Never got anything from Analogue before. Just got my pocket now.

Anyone else stuck on the shipping calculator?

>>6679082
Leave it spinning, it took a while for me.

>>6679081
>$16 screen protector
That's some Apple tier pricing.

Wow, "sold out" already.

>>6678912
>The rg350 does 10x more and costs 70 bucks shipped

Not to defend the pocket but the rg350 is also shit, as is just about every chink handheld

>>6679105
Jesus christ. I'm glad I set an alarm for this shit, I knew this was going to happen

Got mine lmao

>>6678584
No. I'm not so attached to the Gameboy's library, or the other handhelds it supports, especially not enough to pay for the equivalent of a switch lite. I'm more interested in FPGA emulation itself than what this thing does. I'd get one if it also supported SNES/NES and perhaps Genesis but I understand that's probably too much to ask for, for a FPGA handheld device.

I guess that's one way to get people talking about your product, closed source at a premium price and pull off the old nintendo artificial scarcity

>>6678912
The RG350 is such a garbage device. Why do people defend it like this? A vita or N3DS is so much better. The Analogue Pocket is an FPGA though. It’s a completely different kind of device

>>6679103
I was not sure about getting one because of this stupid price and gorilla glass, but I plan to use it as a handheld. Fuck it.

>>6679081
Nice. I couldn't get mine. Was stuck on shipping screen. Fucking analogue.

>>6679132
>I'd get one if it also supported SNES/NES
I'm like 95% sure it will

>>6679132
Other cores being available once the thing is jailbroken is extremely likely.

>>6679160
>>6679161
Forgive me for being an idiot, I admit I know nothing about how FPGA emulation works, but I thought the hardware had to be set up to emulate the given device exactly, so how would one enable emulation for other devices without opening the thing up?

>>6679169
It's the exact opposite. the entire point of FPGA as a concept is that they can be written and rewritten to mimic different chips whenever you want digitally.

>>6679189
I stand corrected then. Do we know enough about the internals of the Analogue Pocket to know that it could run the 16-bit systems accurately once jailbroken? My interest is renewed.

>>6679154
Same missed out.

>>6679169
you're thinking of an ASIC, which is a chip designed to perform one specific function
an FPGA is similar to an ASIC, but it's programmable, it's function can be changed at any time, so a user can reprogram it with a different emulator, so it can emulate multiples systems
assuming this device gets homebrew, there's no reason you can't get it to run other emulators, provided the FPGA is powerful enough for the systems you want to see on it

>>6679134
This is such a bullshit. I checked the store and all accessories are out of stock as well, which means they pulled out the plug on purpose. Its funny that the Sega system is the only one in stock. Nintendrones create this stupid culture.

>>6679196
You can just load the MiSTer cores onto it once it's jailbroken and those are very accurate, can probably do the "official" analogue cores from their other products too.

>>6679196
It looks like the second FPGA is the same they use for their SNES system. And it will be available for people to play with it.

>>6679209
>>6679217
>>6679227
Thanks for the information, now I'm hoping Analogue restocks the Pocket.

>>6679103
They have a hard case for $30, and the only purpose of that shit is to display the pocket.

>>6679237
They just said they're making more to try and meet demand, just keep up to date and set an alarm for whenever they announce another run. Unfortunately this isn't uncommon for their products, they go out of stock quickly

>>6679237
You can sign up to be notified by email. Check their twitter page.

>>6679247
doesn't surprise me at all, it wouldn't make sense for such a niche product to be doing large runs or keeping large stock
i would also want to keep the risk of unsold stock at an absolute minimum, even that that does inversely carry the risk of higher lead times (time between a demand increase and actually having the stock to satisfy it)

>>6679139

I think they've already come out and said the glass on the screen is about twice as thick as what's normally on a phone, so I don't really see much of a point in a protector on top of that

>>6679196

GBA is a 32-bit system. If the FPGA is good enough to run that, pretty much anything lower will be dead easy.

Whoot. Got my black one. Didn't order any accessories yet since I didn't budget for those, but as soon as they come back in stock I'm ordering the screen protector and GG adapter. Still on the fence for the dock.

>>6679481
>GBA is a 32-bit system. If the FPGA is good enough to run that, pretty much anything lower will be dead easy.
the n64 is a 64bit system
the xbox is a 32bit system
think about that for a sec

>>6647760
No one cares what you do on your shitty phone

Poor Frodo

>hyped to hell and back
>overpriced meme device
>insane shipping fees
>artificial scarcity
>scalpers paradise
It would make me laugh if the whole thing wasn't a money-making scam.

>>6680225
I mean all of their other products went through the same exact thing. And they offer pretty much the best products for this sort of nice out there, their stuff is genuinely high quality and well made. Just apple-tier pricing

So I'm not sure if you'd call it a scam or not

>>6680235
FPGA is fool's gold.

>>6646784
zoomer manchildren and their disposable cuck bucks lol

>>6680235
>apple-tier pricing
So you agree it's a scam?

>>6680253
FPGA is the future

>>6680291
of scams

>>6680270
It’s only $200 and there isn’t exactly anything else like it on the market.

>>6680293
of everything

>>6680284
Depends on what you consider scam. Are you overpaying? Probably. Is there a similar tier device in it's niche (handheld emulators) on the market? No. You're paying for the build quality, fidelity and FPGA. I guess it depends on how much you think those aspects are worth

When I think of a scam I think more of like the Ouya and such where half the feature list is a straight up like and built up nonsense. This thing will do all of the stuff they say it will do, and their other products have shown they can do build quality right

>>6680293
>>6680253
Pathetic that you kids would never admit how good FPGA is. Childish and ignorant.
If we had a system under a curtain and put on a SNES game on a SNES console and then the same game on a Super NT you would never know the difference. On a CRT with a DAC or on an OLED/pcCRT with a OSSC.
Don't bother replying because I don't talk to kids after giving them some educated discipline.

>>6680291
Just build a miSTer for cheap if you believe this. Don't feed retro-scammers.

>>6680324
Can you build a portable one? I'm not gifted with building stuff that's more complicated than, say, a gaming PC.

>>6680145
Damn, for real? I'll sell mine to him for cost if I can suck him off.

>>6680270
I'm actually surprised with how low this costs. Thought an Analogue handheld with this many features would be closer to $400.

tee hee this guy is super fucking mad

Did they actually remove the crank? That was a shitty feature

>>6680726
Retard, you are thinking of the Playdate.

>>6680740
Wanna get that too.

>out of stock
I expected nothing and I'm still let down

>>6680740
>>6680746
Sucks we aren't going to have a decent place to discuss it. /v/ will endlessly shit on it, and it isn't /vr/. Maybe a Playdate General on /vg/ or we just talk about it on /g/

>>6680740
>By the way, the crank came from our friends at Teenage Engineering

Hoo boy, if there's one hipster company that's worse than Analogue for overpriced products

>>6679081
>link cable lol
implying your ass is ever meeting somone with one of these

>>6681184
>he thinks I didn't already make plans to play games with elijah woods once he gets one

I already have a GB/GBP, GBC, NGP, NGPC, WS, and a GG (though it needs repairs). I'd rather just buy an actual Wonderswan Color or Crystal, fix up my GG, and play everything on original hardware instead of spending money on some one-size-fits-all thingy.

>set email reminder for restocks
I'm basically fucked if I'm not American, right?
8am PST is 12:30am in my timezone, so any restock will be sniped while I'm asleep.

Fuck this artificial scarcity bullshit, let us reserve units and manufacture as many as required.

>>6681283
>so any restock will be sniped while I'm asleep
I guess you could always set an alarm for 5 minutes before the restock time, order it from your phone, and go back to bed. Doesn't really seem like a huge hurdle if you really want the thing, anon. Just be glad that they apparently have a set time and it isn't just a "it happens when it happens" deal. And if they don't have a set time, install a website monitoring app on your phone, have it check every minute, and it will ding when it updates.

>>6680308
It doesn't make a difference to my playthrough of Donkey Kong Country 2 or Link's Awakening. That is what this is all about right? Playing games? Who gives a shit if it's 100% accurate? Is that gonna make a difference to how I play these platformers and JRPGs? What kind of autist would ever notice the difference if they saw FPGA versions run side by side with emulated titles?

>>6678242
I think I have a better understanding now, thanks. So an fpga for a system like saturn or n64 still wouldn't automatically mean 100% compatibility for games because you'd still need to know how the original system handles it just like an emulator would?

>>6681306
In addition to that, like fuck accuracy?
My wii runs megaman x without slowdown, while the snes classic slows down in game where the og hardware would. I much prefer having the best experience possible over accuracy

>>6647267
I've worked with fpgas before at work. Dev kits are always expensive however the actual chips and a breakout board will run you under 10 bucks and programmers range in price heavily you can usually make your own however. All in all you can easily do fpga development for under 40 bucks easily and depending on your chip choice I bet you can get it below 25 and if you already have parts to make a programmer and such. They're dirt cheap now.

>>6681325
Pretty much. It's not too different from emulators in the sense that you're reimplementing hardware and have to make sure your reimplementation operates identically to original hardware.
Had straight up copying a hardware design not illegal then fpga would probably be emulation endgame, you can just make a 100% identical clone of the processors, wouldn't even have to test them, they will behave exactly like original hardware.

>sold out

Yeah, nah, im not going to COMPETE with others to give someone my money.

The whole fucking point of pre-orders is so get a number on how many items you need to manufacture, to prevent over and under production.

If you can't make it easy for me to give you my money, you can fuck right off.

>>6681437
Blows my mind how many companies have forgotten this in the past few years.

>>6681370
How long until we have FPGA's running PS2 cores?

>>6681437
>>6681453
Get with the times old man(s) pre-orders aren't for gauging interest anymore they're for marketting wank and drumming up demand and prices via artificial scarcity

>>6681437
Pre-orders don’t need to be that anymore. Social media is the way they gauge interest and judging by that alone the Pocket was in very high demand.

>>6680608
lol imagine being this mad. He's probably never bought an analouge product before. Probably looked at the shipping, hesistated, made a tweet about it and then it obviously sold out. I did buy 2 tho. One to keep and the other to Scalp to cover the cost of the first, doing the same with the nt mini noir.

>>6681556
Same. Got a black and a white. Haven’t decided which color I want to keep.

>>6681594
Bought 2 Black since I expect it to be more popular. The screen blends in with the bezel. The white might actually sell for more considering less people bought it though and likely less for sale on the 2nd had market.

>>6646886
"""""hack""""" aka under-the-table cfw

>>6681684
AKA the real firmware.

>>6681325
yes, of course, fpga has little to do with accuracy, and an fpga is certainly not automatically more accurate because it's an fpga, you still need to write an accurate core for one, same with a software emulator
the amount of knowledge required to write an accurate emulator for software or fpga is the same (you need to know everything about the target system)
and yes, that means they do benefit each other, just not directly (you can't share code, but you can share discoveries)

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>>6681812
>FPGA
Faggot Pedophiles Gayest Activities? No thanks.

>>6680145
Lmao dude can afford buy mine off ebay

>>6668271
>>6667241


Why do you people indulge this shit headed attention whore?

>>6681437
m8, judging by the order numbers I've seen, at least 10,000 of these have been sold. Anything with hard-to-source bespoke screens like this is going to be limited.

If you want one you need to make sure you get in there fucking early.

>>6682348
>hard-to-source
You can find those screens on aliexpress.

>>6682348
>hard-to-source bespoke screens like this is going to be limited.
Nigga these are recycled Oculus Rift screens

Are there any videos of this thing in use or anything that is not a render?

>>6682435
nope because it doesn't even exist yet save for some prototypes

>>6682428
Pocket: 1600x1440
Rift: 1280x1440 per eye

>>6682389
lol

>>6682586

>>6647281
Anon, try to fill out the form. They ask for FPGA development experience, making it effectively inaccessible to anyone interested in learning FPGA development.
I really wanted this thing as an entry-level FPGA development kit but it doesn't look like it'll be that way.

>>6681495
They already exist, as of last year they're $200 per chip.
https://www.retrorgb.com/xilinxs-new-fpga-has-the-highest-logic-density-of-any-single-device-in-human-history.html

>>6682843
What about in dog history?

>>6682843
you wish it was that cheap

>>6682843
A quick Google says it's like 13 grand and I suspect that's an old model. Maybe in a decade? But for now even your article says they're not affordable.

Anyway question: if and when do you reckon analogue is likely to restock the pocket?

>>6682880
that one he posted is not out yet
if it was only $200 it's well within the higher end hobbyist market
no, even things like mister are done on discounted educational boards, not even regular models, big FPGAs are expensive, as their biggest market is prototyping for making actual chips, something which is an even more expensive game

>>6682880
RetroRGB said $200, you're looking at a scalper because of the Coronavirus.

>>6682586
>>6682428
Oculus Quest

>>6682897
the article doesn't mention price, except for "it's way out of your league"

>>6682932
>Thinks $200 is "out of your league".
It is for some to be honest.

>>6668271
Do you work in Poundland?

>>6682958
i don't see how you thought i said that

>>6681184
It works with GB/A, dumbass.

There is none.

A fully modded gbc or gba with a flashcart is around $160. New shell, ips screen, cleanamp, and prosound.

>>6681271
I don't have any of those systems, so I got a pocket. Even if I had a collection like that, I would get a pocket because it's cheaper than getting a flashcart for each system. **I don't collect games, only consoles.**

I don't have any of those systems, so I got a pocket. Even if I had a collection like that, I would get a pocket because it's cheaper than getting a flashcart for each system. I don't collect games, only consoles.

>>6683206
You realize it plays other consoles besides the Gb right?

>>6683218
>>6681271
Fix quote.

>>6683206
Know any quick fixes for the gbc or gbas headphone out? Without having to buy a mod of any kind

>>6681283
I was in the mail list. They sent the date almost a week in advance so you can prepare for it.

>>6683206
Can you link a GBA like this? I want to trade pokemon with my pocket.

>>6683223

if you can actually buy the adapters
dont ever forget the Mega SG ones were produced in a TINY quantity a year late and never restocked

>>6683230
Look up internal sound mod. You solder two wires from pins 2 and 3 on the volume wheel on the front to pins 2 and 3 on the headphone jack on the back of the pcb. Gets rid of all the background noise.

FPGA? Fags Phags GAys?

>>6683206
Dumbass, that GBC isn't even the right orientation. At least with the Pocket I get a GBC/A in the proper, portrait orientation and the buttons on the bottom than the right.

>>6659765
>Isn't the light sensor on the wrong side? Pretty sure it is on the inner (non-label) side, so the Pocket will be blocking the sensor. Guess you'd need to create an extender (or use a suitable Gameshark et al) to move it up into view.
Good point, I wouldn't be surprised if that slot design causes issues with other peripherals too.

You can get a GBA with IPS mod, or a GBA SP, for cheaper than this. I don't see a reason to bother with it, especially as a preorder when nobody knows how the build quality and durability will be. I'll be surprised if it's half as solid as an actual GB.

>>6683353


ha

>>6683452
Also worth noting that a rechargeable battery that isn't user-replaceable is a huge scam. You can easily get rechargeable AA batteries for your retro portables today, but this Analogue shit will eventually lose its charge and you'll be forced to pay up the ass for a "repair" - assuming they are still in business at that point.

>>6683294
Who cares about real carts?! Just run roms.

>>6646784
To upset butthurt poorfags.

>>6646784
>Concave buttons
FUCK that shit

>>6683465
I wish more shit had concave buttons

>>6683460
Analogue's chief dude Taber confrmed the battery compartment is accessible by removing four screws and the battery is a standard clip in type so is easily replaceable when it dies.

>>6683460
>>6683487
>GamesBeat: How easy is it to replace the battery?

>Taber: Technically, easy. Remove four screws on the back of the unit and the battery is directly below. It’s connected via a plug, so simply unplug it and a battery can be swapped out. We don’t suggest users do this themselves — it will void your warranty — but the battery is designed to be exchanged with ease.

https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/27/analogue-pocket-questions-answered-sleep-mode-scaling-and-more/

>>6683487
>>6683491
Sounds okay then. Still overpriced and the boktai issue is worrying, but maybe after launch if they release a model without that problem I might get one.

Honestly would have much preferred a Wonderswan clone since modded ones are faaaaaar more expensive than GB/C/As.

>>6647594
>white
That picture is of a gray plastic body - only the face plate around the screen is white. Get your eyes checked, anon.

>>6646784
>sold out
Is that shit real?

>>6683625
It can't be sold out, it doesn't even exist. Analogue are scam artists and FPGA is their tool of the trade.

Looks like I missed out being stuck at work. I am sort of relieved the decision was made for me since it appears it sold out quickly and I didn't have the funds. This is all kind of expected with how they've handled previous releases. Looks like the Limited Run long boxes sold out too. All these great new products chose a pretty poor time for release when money is tight for everyone due to COVID-19. I did look into the alternative of the DE-10 Nano, but that too is really expensive as well. Congrats to those that got one, I really wanted the Analogue Pocket too (with dock), but it was not meant to be.

>>6670095
Dear diary, Jackpot!

>>6682989
I'm in the USA. I work in the food service industry. Explains a lot that luxury items like these are beyond my pay grade.

I've tried my best to scale this to 'actual size' based on the screen size

>>6683649
Analog and lrg are scummy anyways. Worked out for the best.

>>6683760
Do there exist more than like 5 people who unironically prefer the puke green over B&W or a GBC pallette? I know people have nostalgia but still

>>6683784
I prefer playing B&W games without color, otherwise I don't worry much about it. I do play with super game boy palettes sometimes.

>>6683784
I'm hoping it allows for custom palettes for original GB. Personally I use the 'PJ' custom palette on MiSTer.

Pic related is the Gameboy colours on the NT Mini jailbreak. Never been a fan of these ones.

>>6683816
I don't remember which palettes I use for GB jailbreak.

Protip: Wavebeam is the only palette you should be using for Nt mini NES core.

>>6646905
>labview

kek

>>6683760
Based on what DPI?

FPGA is the 24k-gold Monster HDMI cables of retro gaming.

>>6683461
Based shill. Might as well buy a $20 PSP instead of this overpriced S O Yboy handheld.

>>6683784
I'm not particularly nostalgic for it but yes I prefer it to BW but would take the GBC's 'fake' colour palettes over it any day

>>6683195
so shit you should already have unless you are a larper who got into this because of e celebs

>>6683195
Damn now I'm picturing a fat American manchild in his pajamas linking up one of these things to a GBA to trade pokeymen to himself...

>>6683760
That's a tad small

>>6684293
>blackberry
good taste in phones, anon

>>6684298
It's not my main phone. It's too dated.

>>6683760
gba games are gonna suck on this aren't they?

I don't like the white on black logo text in the corner, it stands out distractingly.
Also anyone preordering that shit is asking to get burned and I hope they do.

isn't it weird that the link cable doesn't work with the original GB when it's copying its design?
you'd think they'd figure that shit out, at least have a second cable type just for it, it's just weird

>>6684348
The socket on the original GB is different. Even nintendo had to give you an adapter at one end with some of the GBC cables.

>>6684293
Is that BlackBerry screen the same size as the Pcoket's screen?

>>6684348
>>6684358
Forgot pic, from left to right, AGB, DMG, CGB

>>6684358
i know, but they could make an asymmetrical cable or an adapter themselves too. aping the DMG design but not having a solution to support linking to it is a strange decision. and makes me wonder if a legit adapter will even work with a DMG or if this can't communicate with one at all

>>6683529
I wondered if it's actually going to be a bit gray on release. Maybe a slight beige closer to the original DMG.

Still, I like the look of the black. It's a bit bland, but I'm hoping third parties will make buttons for it or something. Would be cool to have a black Pocket with SFC buttons. When the n3DS released I thought the black version with SFC buttons and white icons was one of sexiest 3DS models.

>>6684371
A legit adapter will work, as the pinout is the same.

>>6684316
The shoulder placement alone will tell you that. Aside from nostalgia I don't see the point in the DMG brick form factor.

>>6683925
Wavebeam best for emus in general too? Like fceu

>>6684340
ANALogue has a good track record with their products.

>>6684471
They don't have a track record with making a handheld, or anything with a screen and durable buttons. Putting down $200+ a year in advance is simply retarded.

>>6684362
Nope
It's only 1" larger though

Looking at >>6684293 reminds me that BBOS has a very good auto brightness algorithm. So good they won't let you turn it off.
The Pocket could really benefit from an ambient light sensor. Not only it will add compatibility to light sensor games, but they could add auto brightness too.

>>6684480
Wait, it's $200. That's expensive.

Will you be able to play GBA games with the correct colours? Not a fan of how oversaturated the games look on the backlit sp.

>>6684627
They already have LCD filters, even if they don't have it at launch tonemapping shouldn't be hard to add.

>>6684658
Apparently the Nt doesn't even have NTSC signal emulation and people have to make do with "palettes" so I feel like any recreation of the GBA screen will be subpar. But who knows.

>>6684627
Those are the correct colors.
Developers turned up the saturation to make them visible on the antiquated original GBA screen.

The question is, does the Pocket support alternative color matrixes so we can fix the fucked gamma/contrast/brightness.

>>6684720
It's not hard it's a digital screen. You just map one color value to the other.
You don't have to deal with analog signal fuckery. And I thought the super only has HDMI?

>>6684729
If it doesn't look the way developers intended (hint: like on the original screen on which these games are developed for) then it's not correct.
The Micro even went back to old colors.

>>6684734
The output is irrelevant, it should have an NTSC encoder-decoder built-in so it displays with the right colors on a digital display instead of an approximation using a palette. Many software emulators roll their own, especially Apple II ones since having working color output requires accurate reproduction of NTSC artifacts.

>>6684760
You mean you want it to map NTSC to sRGB?

>>6684849
Ideally it would have a few options but personally I would expect composite signal emulation for Famicom/SFC at least.

>>6684856
Just add chromatic abbreviation
wa la

>>6683784
i don't really like the green look, though i'm probably biased since i had a pocket and colour, not a dmg
a higher contrast pocket screen would be my preference i think, almost neutral b/w with that nostalgic silvery lcd reflector in the back, and no colour fringing like a colour lcd displaying b/w has

>>6684864
>not chrome-attic
one job

>>6684741
So you want to turn off the backlight then, the micro most likely had darker blacks than the sp screen to compensate.

>>6684173
I have a PSP, a Vita, a DS Lite and a N3DS. I want a better screen and I can pay for it. Fuck off, poorfag.

>>6684254
I live in the US now, but I'm from Brazil. Only rich kids had handhelds back in the day.

>>6684879
I never had anything pre-gbc, so the monogreen always disgusted me, but I think I'd enjoy a look like ur Pic.

>>6684741
Just because it's correct doesn't mean it's right.
It's like, for example, how Earthbound experiences slowdown because the game can't handle the pathing for more than 2 enemy sprites without the CPU chugging. If you could remove the throttling it'd be a good thing. Same with fixing the picture on GBA games, like how the Gameboy Interface homebrew for the GameCube offers alternative matrices.

As long as it's optional what's it to you?

>>6684910
You said it's correct. It's not.

>>6684896
What do you mean?

>>6684915
You said micro went back to old colors, but it still has a backlight. The gba colors are naturally oversaturated to make up for the lack of backlight 1st model. The sp is just the same screen with a side/front light and later ones having a real backlight.
I don't have a micro, but I've played gba on ds, dsi, & 2ds/xl, and the only time the colors dont look bad is on the dsixl, since it has an IPS panel, which naturally have darker colors. Gba runner on dsi has a filter to make gba games look natural, but it's unnecessary on the xl.

>>6684949
I was referring to the colorspace actually, not whether there's a backlight or not.
GBA uses an unique colorspace, possibly a result of tech limitations, or maybe they just don't want sRGB for whatever reason. Backlit SP uses sRGB panels which would make colors look different. With the micro they went back to the old colorspace but kept the backlight.
If you like the backlit SP look then you don't need a color filter.

I've used a frontlit SP and I wouldn't call its blacks deep anyway, the screen is just dim.

>>6646784
>hey guys, what if we made the Game Boy, but soulless?

>>6685008
There's that word again. You're retarded.

For anyone in eastern canada, how much did shipping end up costing for you? Im curious to know

>>6684897
Better screen in a shitty form factor

>>6685240
i don't know about western canada specifically, but for me within the US it was just under twenty USD, and I haven't seen anyone else internationally get charged more than
35 USD.

>>6685205
>retarded
There's that word again. You're a niggerhead.

>>6685297
>niggerhead
I see a man of culture.

>>6647106
HDMI on a CRT would be ideal

How will they handle refresh rate?
Do they speed shit up to 60hz? Because that would blow.
In the world of Variable Refresh Rate/G-Sync this is unacceptable nowadays.

>>6648029
>the display does variable refresh rate of 30hz-62hz
Oh wow, this is actually worth the 200$ pricetag for this alone.
I was worried about this shit.

>>6685371
Not really due to lag

>>6674692
>emulate PS1 perfectly in 2004
plz commit sudoku
we still can't emulate PSX perfectly today

>>6685395
It says it has multiple refresh rates
Unrelated but my monitor has VRR but I never noticed much difference with it.

>>6678242
>so instead of figuring out what the original hardware would do in a given situation, you simply implement the original hardware on the fpga directly
that is the lazy way to do it yes

>>6681514
Why are modern companies such unambitious small-dicked soys?
What happened to BIG DICK Companies which had balls to print millions of their product?

>>6685449
He doesn’t know.

>>6683206
>480p LCD screen line-doubled
disgusting

>>6685479
They went out of business because they sucked.

>>6685479
I mean it's a small company producing a niche product with higher end componenents in the middle of a supply line crisis. They sold around 12,000-15,000 units in 8 minutes. I mean they could have been more clear about the specific numbers they were going to allot but I'm not sure this was about having the 'balls' to sell more