/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6664795
Probably stumble on the answer during your 4th rental of the cart

>>6664795
By not being a dumb nigger. Now fuck off

>>6664795
Maybe by not being a fucking zoomer ? Do you happen to think anon ? Like using your brain to remember the basic statement that games often have secret passages that aren't always made for secondary objectives ?
Why do you fucking zoomies don't know a shit about basic vidya games mechanics.

>>6664820
embarrassing post

>Press up and down to make the barrel go up and down
>Zoomers stumped by simple, intuitive game mechanic

>>6664825
nothing in the whole series up until that point had used the up and down keys

OMG BARREL MEME XXXXXXXD SO FUNNEH LMAO BARREL MAKES NO SENSE I LOVE THESE MEME THREAD FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME XXXXD UPVOTED :) LOL

>>6664831
False. Sonic looks up and down by pressing... up and down.

Gee, it's almost like the up arrow means up and the down arrow means down. What a confusing thing! lmao

>>6664795
If you'd played any game with abstracted elevator-like entities you would already be trained to press up and down whenever you came to an object that could possibly be one. Similarly any time there was an arch or doorway in the background in a game I'd press up on it even if I was almost certain it wouldn't do anything.

>>6664795
>How were you supposed to know you have to be 18+

>>6664831
You always had to push down to roll into a ball. After that it was to Spindash

>>6664795
You bought the strategy guide magazine.

is this nigga serious

>>6664825
It's clearly not intuitive and was the most popular reason for calls into the Sega help hotline at the time it was released, before zoomers were born. Pressing up or down isn't something that makes objects move in Sonic any more than you would expect it to make objects move in real life with momentum and jumping instead being what moved things, and you don't get feedback of pressing up or down doing anything unless you start doing both in alternation for long enough to get it going making it extremely easy not to see.
The "arrow" excuse is stupid too. There's a diamond design on the barrels that just look like some circus stylization, not arrows.

>>6664795
If 8 yo me can figure it out so can you.

>>6664997
>press up and down to make it go up and down
>not intuitive
>arrows on the object clearly hinting up and down
>not intuitive
>instruction manual tells you to press up and down
>not intuitive
Maybe some people just can't be helped

>>6664859
>If you'd played any game with abstracted elevator-like entities you would already be trained to press up and down whenever you came to an object that could possibly be one
I think that is the problem with those people. When they are playing Sonic, for example, it's the only game they ever played and no game that was released before it exist, so they don't think they could apply things they learned in those games in this one, as if even the devs didn't know about those games too.

>>6664795
there was no where else to go

>>6664795
Just don't rock it too hard or you end up on the ceiling

>>6664831
Yes, zoomzoom, game mechanics can be introduced mid-game.

why does this make this board so irrationally angry? it was a hard part that many were stuck in

>>6665216
>many sub 80 IQ people

>>6665216
Like always it’s a single poster doing most of the “heavy lifting” in this thread. Looks like he’s up a little earlier than usual, or still up probably.

>>6665216
>press up to go up
>press down to go down
>hard

>>6664795
How were you supposed to know how to get past the bridge?

>>6665216
Because this problem is zoomer exclusive. My brother and I figured it out in 1994, so can you.

>>6665230
>tantrum still ongoing
Color me surprised

>>6665237
The real question is why do zoomers struggle with this? Is there something fundamentally deficient with the zoomer mind? Interesting psychological phenomenon.

>>6665264
This. I too find zoomers illogical and not skilled at games.

>>6664795
SEGA found out that people couldn't figure it out, that's why it was taken out in Sonic Jam

>>6665237
>this problem is zoomer exclusive
Nope. Back in the day some people finished the game by picking a different path to avoid the barrel altogether, believing the game to be broken.

>>6665270
Zoomers are dumb! Haha

>>6665273
Really?

>>6665289
Don’t trust anyone under 30!

>>6665270
Boomers are obviously unskilled at games. This is due to general unfamiliarity with the medium, and is to be expected.
Millennials have a high degree of skill which we demonstrate on a wide variety of genres. We embrace challenge and learn quickly.
Zoomers, however, when given the exact same opportunities as millennials, seem unable to grasp even the most basic concepts. Designers have had to adjust to their various deficiencies by simplifying games and even then only the highly repetitive ones are commercially successful among this demographic.
It's all very interesting.

>>6665305
Yes! Zoomers are so fucking dumb, they can’t even play video games!

>>6664795
in sonic 2 you need to move those bolts up and down by doing the spin dash. So you approach those barrels thinking you need to at least try spin dash, upon pressing down to initiate the spin dash you notice the barrel moves down.

>>6665378
wow you must be a game designer or someone similarly importanr, I didn’t think about that at all.

>>6665312
>i'm schizophrenic and so am i

>>6664795
Experimentation. It's not well designed.
The end.

>>6665397
what did he mean by this

reminder that Sonic Team issued a public apology for including the barrel in the game. that's how bad it was.

>>6665276
I really doubt that

>>6665305
or maybe i just didn't get it because i was 4 fucking years old when it was hard to me

>>6665381
I can't tell if that was a dig, but one would wonder why the barrels is a meme and not the bolts in metropolis zone. If one could figure those out, they could figure the barrels out. Of course assuming they had played MZ.

>>6665446
It wasn’t a dig. I’m in awe of your insight and intellect.

>>6665446
Because you'll pretty much immediately notice that your speed is what makes the bolt move when you jump on, whereas the pressing up or down only slighty adds to its momentum

I couldn't figure it out as a kid and couldn't progress the game until many years later. I kept trying to jump on the barrel in synchronized times to make it build momentum to break through which never worked. The fact that so many millions of other kids also couldn't figure it out is evidence of the very poor level design and mechanics at this part.

>>6665527
Or it’s because zoomers aren’t as good at video games as I am! Haha get wrecked loser

>>6664825
Its not intuitive because jumping on the barrels moves them up and down and all earlier barrels can be effectively passed by jumping. So when you eventually get to one that jumping will move but not far enough to reach the passage, its confusing as shit because the game taught you that "jump = progress" earlier in the level.

The only way I was able to pass the barrel was by glitching through it. My brother discovered this method by jumping on the barrel a couple of times until it got low enough, short jump, transform into Super Sonic, and the barrel would pass over Sonic and push him down below. Because of this, we could not beat the game unless we had all the Chaos Emeralds and had no shields, and at least 50 rings by the time we reached that area.
Since Tails couldn't go Super, we weren't able to beat the level as him.

>>6664831
>nothing in the whole series up until that point had used the up and down keys

Spindash has used down key since sonic 1.

>>6665216
The pyramid guardian in Sandopolis had me stuck for far longer than the barrel.
Also note that there's a part before that where you have to use the barrels going up/down to pass.

>>6664795
Worst part of Sonic 3.

>>6665537
In every game made in that era, if you could not get past at some point, you tried every other combination of buttons/keys to see what they did. "Does pressing up makes the game do something here" or does press down does, etc. That's how I played every single late 80s/early 90s title, especially PC ones. The way you describe the barrels makes me think that if it weren't for the manual, you couldn't even get past the Start screen of a videogame.

The jump only throws the barrels out of equilibrium so they CAN move, after that you press and hold up and down. The fact that you get stuck to the barrel itself will hint this. Like a swing in the playground, the shift in weight you apply yourself will make the thing swing out in a direction more. That's how the barrel works, and any non-retarded child could figure it out easily.

>>6665690
>Does pressing up makes the game do something here
it doesn't on the barrel. it only starts moving once you keep doing the up-down-up-down pattern for a while. and since it responds to jumping on it immediately it 100% looks like a timed jump puzzle.

>>6665665
Spin Dash didn't exist in Sonic 1. You're thinking of the standard roll.

>>6665690
You're missing the key point though that earlier barrels can be effectively traversed by jumping on them. The level design effectively teaches you "this works" and then gives you the exact same situation later on but "this" just BARELY fails to work. That's confusing ass level design. It would actually have been better if jumping on the barrels didn't move them at all

>barrel literally has up and down arrows on it

I literally just mashed all the buttons on the controller until it worked.

RESET THE COMPUTER NOW!

>>6665752
Fuck this "clever" bullshit. That was infuriating.

>>6665027
>>instruction manual tells you to press up and down
nope, there's nothing in the manual about that. the manual does tell you that some traps are unescapable and you should reset your game, it's like a big fuck you to the player

>>6665458
Cheers
>>6665479
I forgot that simply walking on it makes it move. I haven't played much S3, only had 2 as a kid, but I'm feeling like there WAS an obstacle that required spindash to manipulate. I still think I'm on to something

>>6665759
Fuck you, it's in the manual.

>>6665841
git gud scrub

>>6666343
First, you typically didnt get the manual when you rented a game. Second, the manual shouldnt need to be a stategy guide.

>>6665752
>game literally tells you that you must completely reset the computer that controls the danger room
>game makes it clear that you must be the one to reset the computer

See, this is why zoomers are so retarded. They just bitch on the internet instead of thinking that "hm, I'm stuck, time to reset the computer".

Nomadfags gtfo, your meme console came out after X-men was released.

I was one of the kids stumped by this. You can say I was retarded or couldn't figure out obvious game design tells or any other explanation but the sad fact is that as a 5 year old kid who loved Sonic and beat Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, this game made me pretty sad because I couldn't get past this stage to see the rest of the game.

>>6666354
lame excuses

>>6666383
WAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

>>6666387
This thread is filled with kids who only knew of these things in retrospect after they've been talked about to death. They don't understand that at the time it was very easy to pick up a game and not know what the fuck to do because the game had wonky design and GameFAQs wasn't a thing yet.

>>6664795
zoom zoom zoom

>>6664795
Do have any idea how many games even before sonic had established using up to enter doors and down to go down stairs etc? anyone who had played games before would’ve known.

>>6665706
>it doesn't on the barrel.

Have you even read the second paragraph?
>The jump only throws the barrels out of equilibrium so they CAN move, after that you press and hold up and down. The fact that you get stuck to the barrel itself will hint this. Like a swing in the playground, the shift in weight you apply yourself will make the thing swing out in a direction more. That's how the barrel works, and any non-retarded child could figure it out easily.


>>6665715
You are missing the key point that you are a retarded mongoloid. The game doesn't teach you shit, it's there to entertain you. If you can't figure out how to PRESS UP AND DOWN, you deserve getting stuck.

>>6666894
Yeah? How about this. You deserve getting beat up.

>>6665713
the standard roll was called spin dash iirc, or something very similar; it was the only way to get uncapped speed in that game (and it only mattered on a few parts, like the large U sections in Spring Yard, one of the game demos even showcases this).

Then they made a new bullshit term for the stand-in-place-and-shoot-out move in Sonic 2. Super Sonic Spin Attack or something or other.

>le zoomers meme

You old fucks are embarrassing yourselves. The barrel is straight up bad game design. It was bad then, it is bad now. Don't fucking delude yourself into thinking you're a genius for figuring out a trash "puzzle" in a trash game. This thread is just shows how trash /vr/ actually is. No one thinks. Just zoom zoom zoom.

Die. All of you.

>>6666919
This guy is definitely underage

>>6666928
This guy doesn’t fuck

>>6666919
post driver's license or gtfo zoomzoom

>>6664795
proof that downy retards should not be legally permitted to own and operate video games

>>6666872
>>6666894
sonic was always about running, jumping and bouncing. manipulating a barrel with the dpad in a sonic game made no sense back then and it still doesn't
>b-but other game! elevators!
casino night zone in sonic 2 has elevators and they activate when you step on them. that's how it worked in a lot of other popular sega games at the time like mickey mania too. also, a barrel with a salmiac pattern is not an elevator.

-oomer posters are some of the worst on this site.

>>6667127
Found the zoomie!

>>6666894
Its amazing how you can tell who learned about the barrel from shitty Youtubers and think they know whats up and who actually played the game that openly admits it was poorly designed in its own manual.

>>6665290
Yes. The devs also apologized for it.
You can tell who the real zoomers are in this thread by looking for posts accusing all the many people who didn't get it right away when it was first released, *before zoomers were even born*, of being zoomers.

>>6664820
Anon, there is no way past the barrel except through pressing up and down which provides very little feedback unless you time it well, and I can tell you that is the only point in the entire game you would use the Up button.

>>6665841
>>6665027
I already had this conversation about the manual, and the guy kept making excuses until he claimed it was in an edition of the manual that just so happened to have no online PDF. I see the cunt continues to parrot his lie.

I literally game overed as super sonic and never played sonic 3 again as a kid.

>>6667140
I wipe my ass with your terrible post.

>>6665276
Stop lying. If you play Sonic or Tails, you are going to the barrel whenever you want to or not.

>>6664795
You press on the controls dumbass.

I genuinely got stuck at this a few years back and remembered it was a meme but not the solution.

The problem stems from it bouncing when you jump. So it feels like it's you have to spring off it or something or time your jump off it. You never get the feeling you can control it. Nothing like that is ever done in any of the first 3 games.

In fact, my initial impression is like those little springs in Sonic 2 casino zone that you hold jump on to spring off of. I though it was a jump timed platform.

Very easy to make this mistake and people who get aggressive at people who make it don't understand hindsight

>>6664795
>jump or walk on it
>it bounces down a bit and right back up
>WHAT COULD THAT MEAN???

>>6667495
You can probably do a scroll glitch to avoid it.

>>6665690
>That's how the barrel works, and any non-retarded child could figure it out easily.
I was a kid and couldn't figure it out. It sucks that I couldn't play the rest of this expensive video game my parents bought for me because I was retarded. It was supposed to be a simple platformer I could enjoy as a 5 year old, not all of a sudden some puzzle platformer. There just wasn't much feedback from pressing up and down, I might have tried it but all I know is I never noticed a difference and that was the end of playing Sonic 3 for me. What you have to understand is that at that age it's not like I played many games before. Sonic was my introduction to the medium and I think it was a lot of people's first games too (like how Mario was a lot of people's first game). As literally baby's first platformer, it's a shitty thing the game had this sort of thing. I'm sure the developers didn't intend to stump kids forever with this, which is why they apologized.

>>6667608
Nope, that only works on stages that rely on looping and Carnival Night is not one of those stages.

>>6667548
>Dips and bounces when you jump on it
>What could it mean
It means people assumed what you would naturally think to assume to do which is JUMP on it and build momentum to get higher.

At no point is pushing up or down ever a thought that would normally pop into your head

>>6667862
*not into YOUR head you simpleton

>>6665405
>zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom

The biggest reason the barrel is stupid is because it sets you on the wrong mental track.

Jumping on the barrel gives you instant feedback.

You encounter barrels like this earlier in the level that can be navigated successfully by jumping on them.

When you get to this barrel you can get to just a hair shy of where you need it be by jumping on it.

This puts you in the mindset that you're on the right track but you're just not doing it well enough. So trying other button combinations, ones that don't even give you immediate feedback--is unlikely to even enter your mind. You're just left to think this barrel is bitch hard compared to the earlier ones.

>>6668029

I beat this game over and over as a kid and I honestly forgot all about the barrel until I started seeing it posted here.

>>6667548
>hold up and down like what is denoted on the object
>it moves in correspondence to the inputs
>LE CAPSLOCK UNIRONIC CRINGE!!!

>>6669924
>>hold up and down like what is denoted on the object
>>it moves in correspondence to the inputs
it doesn't you retard

>>6670608
Yes it does. What buttons do you have to press to move it up and down?

>>6667495
You can avoid it as Knuckles.
>>6670615
>>6665706

>>6667495
>Stop lying. If you play Sonic or Tails, you are going to the barrel whenever you want to or not.
What kind of faggot didn't play as Knuckles?

>>6664795
do a barrel roll

Virgin kid was stuck on the barrel for 20 years
Chad kid played the whole game in debug mode

>>6670630
>S3
>debug mode

>>6670631
???

https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3/Hidden_content#Level_select_.2B_Debug_mode

>>6670626
The straight ones

>>6667495
That bottom left area creeps me out, like you're trapped

by not being a smoothbrain
https://youtu.be/yXwbN--6udQ?t=240

>>6670630
>to activate debug mode in Sonic 3, you must perform 9 precise button presses within a 20 frame window
The truest virgin filter in all of video game history.

>>6671216
>calling others dumb while trying to prove your "point" by posting some incel screaming into a mic
yikes

>>6672520
you sound mad

>>6664997
Not only that, but the game does give you feedback when jumping on the barrel.

>>6665027
not in the 90's manual.

>>6664795
what game is this?

>>6666919
Wrong. If most people were unable to solve this puzzle, then you are by the literal definition a genius for solving it.

>>6667432
not him but you and the rest of the world act as if you've never had to press the up button is the problem. its like you want to be retarded. what exactly is achieved by being retarded.

>>6674558
>ree keep arguing with me
No

>>6664795
Whelp, everyone who played it at the time figured it out and it became one of the best selling games of the console.

Because it filtered out stupid retarded fucks like you who need to have their hand held at all times when they play anything. WE all figured it out anon. YOU are the only one too fucking stupid to have any chance at managing to stop mouthbreathing long enough to figure out what a video game even is, much less play one without a walkthrough taking them through each step.

>>6675724
I explained my perspective earlier but I'll repeat: I was just a five year old kid, I played through Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, I didn't have a lot of video games because my parents weren't rich so it's not like I knew all these game design tells. I just knew these games as a running and jumping game, it was my first platformer the same way Mario was a lot of people's first platformer. I wasn't a stupid kid, the fact is I couldn't get further in this game because of this obstacle and that's kind of sad. There is a reason this is a meme, and it came about because of boomers like me getting stuck, not because of some retrospective look twenty or thirty years later about good and bad game design.

>>6664795
I thought it was weird how the level locked you into a small room means specifically to force you to learn the secret of the barrels. Only to not have any use for them ever again for the rest of the levels. Like some developer was so damn proud of his barrel creation that he wanted to make goddamn sure the player HAS to use the up down feature or else quit the game at that point.

Rarely does a Sonic game lock you into a small space and force you to do some meaningless gimmick if it is not for a miniboss situation.

There is nothing intuitive about the barrel because Sonic controls based on the application of force but pressing Up and Down to move a barrel like an elevator isn't about force but some kind of magic. When you press the Jump button, Sonic pushes off the ground. When you hold right, he runs right. When you're on the Metropolis nut/bolt gimmick, you move it by running along it, applying force to spin it the other way. But the barrel? Why does it move up and down while Sonic is simply standing on it? It doesn't make sense and it breaks the "rules" established in every other Sonic game.

I'm getting really sick and tired of people hiding behind "bad game design" to try and mask the fact that they are complete fucking idiots in denial.

>>6664795
I have to admit that I had to look it up online many years later. I thought I had to time my jumps.

>>6675724
>Whelp, everyone who played it at the time figured it out and it became one of the best selling games of the console.
No they fucking didnt. The Sega help line was fielding calls like crazy and kids were talking about how to pass it on the playground.

>>6664820
autism.

>>6664795
>lol stuck at spinning cylinder in sonic game again xDDDd

>>6675836
Intentions matter. Sonic is a children's platformer, really designed to be a lot of kids' first game. The health system is very generous, every button (A, B and C) on the controller does the same thing, it's a fun and straightforward title for kids. To just say "kids are retarded" misses the context that for a lot of kids, they didn't have game literacy, or even experienced a game that trains you to search for secrets or novel solutions (e.g Metroid). They didn't want to make a game that stumped young children, and that's why they apologized for this years later.

>>6664820
>secret passages that aren't always made for secondary objectives
Anybody with half a brain would have called them bad level design. But not sanic fags.

>>6664813
So how did you manage to figure it out then?

>>6665276
Yeah okay fag

>>6664795
>>6664823
>>6664831
>>6664997
>>6665841
>>6674306
>>6665216
tell me the youth aren't this stupid

>>6677162
>the youth
I know it’s still you zoomer poster.

What people fail to understand is that the barrel is not an actual, literal barrel. It's a metaphor used to represent some mundane or tedious aspect of Sonic's adventure. When Sonic goes up and down on the barrel, he's not actually riding a magic levitating barrel. He's doing something like interviewing people or reading books to acquire information.

>>6677238
2/10 bad attempt

>>6677162
> maxresdefault

>>6677238
Eh, I like it

>>6677162
people got stuck in this part when the game was first released retard

>>6678264
the premise was fine but the copy was garbage.

>>6680032
No we didn't

>>6680047
you weren't even born back then zoomie

You have to be a special kind of retard not to figure out the barrel. Even if the puzzle is unintuitive it takes all but 5 seconds to try every option like jumping on it, trying to spin dash, pressing up or down anyone who didnt exhaust all those options is a fucking idiot and really doesnt belong on this board. I wont disagree that the puzzle is kinda stupid but the people it filtered are even more stupid than that. You faggots are worse than mike matei who probably also got stuck at the barrell cause you fucking retards dont try everything, you try what you think is the most obvious solution and if it isnt it's too difficult for you and you give up and make shitty posts about the barrell on here years later. I didnt even know this was a thing and I had sonic as a kid I remember the barrell it annoyed me for a couple seconds but I got past it. You would really have to be fucking retarded to not make it past that part and being a kid is no excuse either.

>>6680096
it was a tough puzzle. millions of retards can't be wrong

>>6680032
I didn't and I'm a Xoomer.

>>6680104
honestly, there are six types of people in the world: black, white, Indian, African, Chinese, and so on.

>>6680096
>like jumping on it, trying to spin dash, pressing up or down
You're too stupid to realize you're assuming the premise there had to be a solution involving doing something other than jumping with the barrel. The thing most people try is changing the timing and number of bounces on the barrel jumps since jumping on it makes it move.

>>6680138
I beat that part anon you're the stupid on. I did try jumping a couple times saw the barrell move but it obviously wasnt the solution so I tried other things, you on the other hand probably spent days jumping there because you are retarded.

>>6664820
Ppl like you are why I half despise this board.
>muh zoomies
Grow up fossil

>>6680148
I never got stuck when I played it because I had the strategy guide magazine. But I think you're retarded if you can't understand how most others got stuck on it.

>>6680153
That anon is himself a zoomer, not a fossil. Only a zoomer wouldn't know that part was notorious and clogged up the Sega game support hotlines at the time the game was released.

>>6680159
I can understand how they got stuck it's because they're retarded.

>>6680170
It's not retarded if it was the number one most common call in reason Sega had at the time. It's retarded to think an extremely common point of confusion is the player's fault for being retarded, especially when it was pulled from the Sonic Jam version and the developers publicly apologized for having designed it in the first place.

>>6680181
I didn't say it was good design lmao but you really are retarded if you couldnt make it past this. Like I said you try every options but I guess that's asking too much of retards. I saw the barrell move too when I jumped on it, it came close I know but after a few seconds you realize it's not going any higher or lower so you stop, unless of course you're a retard then you try for a few more hours get angry and post about it online years later.

>>6664795
Amazing how many ppl get filtered by this even 27 years later

>Game released broken
>Handful of kids figure it out by dumb luck and law of averages
>"You guys are stupid."

>>6680263
>Every single playtester successfully passed this section (look it up)
>Children in the 90s successfully passed this section
>Zoomers get stuck
>Decide its the game's fault

>>6680208
Wow dude you're extremely smart.

>>6680263
>t. fat kid that got filtered by a barrel in a video game

>>6680271
>Children in the 90s successfully passed this section
Only a zoomer who wasnt there would say this. This was the talk of the playground.

>>6680313
Uh...no?

>>6664795
My boomer mom made it past that in the 90s.

>>6680290
Bro if you drop every game that has moments of questionable game design you're not going to have anything left to play.

>>6664795
>>6664831
This is like getting stuck at the ice barricade at the start of IceCap Zone because you didn't know about the Spin Dash and that everything prior to getting there didn't necessarily require the Spin Dash.

>>6682393
gr9 b9 m9

>>6682393
Not so. The spin dash is an ability listed in the instruction manual and the player knows that they can move Sonic with the controller to destroy obstacles (bad guys, walls, etc). The problem with the barrel is that it isn't about the application of Sonic's movement or force at all. The D-Pad moves the barrel as if by magic while Sonic is standing on it, he isn't pushing it up or down. The controls for 99.999% of the game move Sonic, and in this case, they move another object. You aren't solving a problem by moving Sonic, you get through the barrel by somehow controlling something else...something that doesn't give immediate feedback either when you do press up or down.

>>6680271
>>Children in the 90s successfully passed this section
Where did all these kids who apparently all played games to completion without cheats that the Internet always talk about come from?

8 buttons in total on controller. WTF do I do!?!

>>6664795
I was a dumb kid and just spammed bubble bounce until collisions fucked up.
It took me various years to realize how you were supposed to do it.

>>6682405
Dude in the manual it lists more functions for UP and DOWN than for LEFT and RIGHT. It's not the devs' faults that burger kids living off a diet of lead and mercury somehow got hold of their expertly crafted bideo geimu only to get stuck on the 4th level like the mongs they are.

>>6684976
there's nothing on that page about the barrel

>>6680181
>it was pulled from the Sonic Jam version and the developers publicly apologized for having designed it in the first place.
I have Sonic Jam and I remember the barrel being there. Then again, I always play the original mode, the "normal" mode has some variations that make the games easier so maybe you're referring to that. Also, source on sonic team apologizing?
Anyway, these threars are always too radical, it's like you're either on the side that "never had a problem with it" or "It sucks so much it ruins the game"
I got Sonic 3 back in 1994 when I was a kid and the barrel definitely filtered me a couple times. I remember getting time overs and not being able to get past it. Eventually, I figured it out on my own, but I agree the visual feedback is not immediate nor very clear, and it leads to confusion such as thinking that you have to jump on it.

>>6667889

this

after attempting to use my jump momentum and getting caught between the barrel and the wall I figured it out

this was on release day back in 1994, my god you are all idiots

>>6684976
Why didn't you understand my point? It's clear that I was talking about how the buttons on the controller exclusively moves Sonic and not, magically, other objects while playing. Up makes Sonic look up. Down makes Sonic crouch and look down. The D-Pad does not magically move other objects. Why does looking up somehow move a barrel after spending every previous minute showing you that this is a game where all problems are solved by moving Sonic?

>>6664795
OP got filtered as a kid

Please point to one other part in the game that establishes that camera controls have physical mass.

Kids are aware of their limitations. It's easy for a child to play this and think they just aren't good enough at jumping at the right time, that this is a problem of timing since jumping does provide immediate feedback of moving the barrel. That was my problem when I played it. I even played puzzle games like Myst at that age too, it's just in those games I knew I was supposed to solve puzzles. This was an ill-defined problem, it isn't obvious at all another solution is required besides good timing, a lot of kids myself included just thought they had to get good at timing jumps on the barrel.

>>6686229
Previous zone, senpai.

>>6686264
Up and Down doesn't control the tops, just Left and Right. You're likely thinking of the airborne Eggman fight where you have to control Tails with the full D-Pad.

>>6664795
>How were you supposed to know
You are not supposed to know, you are supposed to figure it out looking at the scenario and trying a few things, I realized almost immediately, what was difficult for me was actually doing it even knowing, not sure if because I suck or because playing it in Genecyst with a keyboard back then.
"Games" now tell you what to do exactly and how, all the time, that is very sad and you are spoiled.

>>6686264
Fucking liar.

>>6686264
The tops are moving because you move Sonic with Left and Right and he runs along the top, making it spin. You aren't moving the tops with the D-Pad, you're still moving Sonic, it's just that Sonic's motion is moving another object (as it does in the nut/bolt of Metropolis, the elevators in Lava Reef, etc). The barrel, however, moves for magical reasons, it has nothing to do with the application of Sonic's movement or force.

>>6686264
#knockout

>>6686347
>I realized almost immediately, what was difficult for me was actually doing it even knowing
This is the problem right here. Pressing up and down gives no immediate feedback. So even if you are "trying everything" you'd have to sustain an action that doesn't appear to do anything at first on the off chance that it will do something if you keep it up. That's not something you just find your way to in a logical fashion. The people who found it pretty much stumbled on it by chance.

>>6686591
>press up and down
>it moves up and down
>"no immediate feedback" because nothing exploded
zoomers

>>6686602
If you stand on the thing and push up and down it does not immediately start moving up and down, for crying out loud.

Have you actually played the game?

>>6686635
>it doesn't start moving up and down
yes it does

>>6666919
I recall not getting stuck on the barrel and it never even being a conversation between my me and my friend. Zoomers are retarded.

>>6686581
No, because they're full of shit. Left and right does not move the spin top. Left and right moves Sonic, who is running on the spin top.

>>6686671
>Zoomers
This FAQ originally published in 2005 references the barrel that everyone got stuck at.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/genesis/586472-sonic-the-hedgehog-3/faqs/40717
> Hopefully, if you're stuck on that evil part of Carnival Night with the bobbing barrels, can't locate the Chaos Emeralds, or any other problem of the sort, this guide will lend a helping hand.

>>6686758
>2005
shortly after zoomers came along. Curious.

>>6686769
5 month old babies were writing FAQs?

>Half this fucking thread is people calling others zoomers for not figuring out a shitty gimmick
>Like they didn't spend hours trying to figure out how to do it themselves.
I can not wait for Boomers and GenX to die so we can finally move on as a society.

>>6686845
Zoomers were around 8 years old in 2005, and likely to be playing sonic for the first time. Right on cue, we have the first instance of people struggling with the barrel.
Interesting coincidence, to say the least.

>>6664795

I was 8 when I first tried this, it took me several minutes to figure out and I timed out, but I still figured it out on my first run. Sonic literally only has 4 directions and one button.

>>6686769
>>6686864
This guide from 2000 references the barrel.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/genesis/586472-sonic-the-hedgehog-3/faqs/7094

>>6686916
And is very clearly written by a very young child with a poor grasp of English. Zoomers would have been very young children at that point in time.
It's almost incredible how well this all lines up.

>>6686852
>hours
Yeah quit projecting, literally said it took a couple of seconds because were not fucking brain dead like you. Go back to your modern games faggot.

>>6686921
What age bracket are Zoomers to you?

>>6686927
It's not an age bracket it's just if you say something he doesnt like you're a zoomer

>>6686591
It does move slightly.
Anyway it doesn't matter. I realized I had to move the barrel down or get impulsed by it to reach the top (that much is obvious), so I started playing with the barrel, at some point I realized the exit was below.
Also I was already familiarized with looking up and down mechanics (to look above or below the standard camera).
How to move the barrel? Doesnt matter, figure it out for fucks sake that is your complaint?

>>6686921
>>6686925
You know by acting like this you're making this place just as bad as /v/, right?

>>6687303
>You're as bad as /v/ because im shit at games
Look faggot, we tried being nice but you kept saying "NOBODY COULD HAVE FIGURED THIS OUT, WE ALL SPENT WEEKS AT THIS PART" you're making this place worse than /v/ because of your shit nu-gamer skills. Everyone who isnt a nugamer faggot knows to try everything, you just assumed everyone was as stupid as you were and when we tell you otherwise you dont believe us.

>>6665690
>Like a swing in the playground, the shift in weight you apply yourself will make the thing swing out in a direction more.
There's one big problem with this analogy. When you're on a swing, you have to actually move your body. Like you said, you shift your weight. Sonic doesn't do that. When you press Up and Down, Sonic does NOTHING. He doesn't duck, he doesn't look up, he doesn't give ANY indication that he's applying momentum whatsoever, he just stands there spinning around like a fucking idiot.

>>6687367
When I tell a story about how I was 5 years old in 1994 and stuck at the barrel and never got past it I'm not making up a story, but you know what? I *was* a nugamer. You can say I was a retarded kid, and so what if I was? All I know is that it sucks that this children's platforming game which really is brain dead easy for most of it (I easily got through Sonic 1 and 2) had totally stumped me with this third game's barrel. I didn't play other games that taught me to problem solve (like a Metroid game or whatever), I didn't know you had to find solutions to problems like that and Sonic didn't teach me that at any other point. There is a reason the barrel is referenced in the 90s before zoomers were even born, this was bizarre game design for a game designed to be a child's first video game.

>>6686769
Alright this is for you, you ignorant piece of shit. You can go to Google Groups and check this yourself. People were asking about that goddamn barrel on Usenet the very same year Sonic 3 was released.

More examples, this one from 1995. There are tons of 90s posts like this.

So sick of every single zoomer in this thread who is pretending this wasn't an issue back in the day, the fuck do they know? Such incredible ignorance to think the barrel is a meme born in the 00s or the 10s.

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>>6686671
>hating those 1994 zoomers
This thread is exhibit A of why /vr/ is so often garbage, just absolutely packed with zoomers larping as boomers. You deserve a mass reply for being so full of shit.

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>>6687657
Wow anon you discovered retards existed back then too. Like I said this entire time I'm not defending the game design in that case it is kind of stupid and cryptic but you're still a god damned fucking retard if you didnt figure it out after a minute. There was way more cryptic shit in games way before that and we managed to beat those without internet. I had sonic 3 on pc before I ever had internet access and I figured it out just fine because I'm not a retard who smashes my head into the wall trying something that obviously isnt working.

>>6687952
So you agree the game design is shit but you just want to call 6-year-olds from 26 years ago retarded....great stuff anon, real good discussion thanks for sharing, you show those first graders of the past.

>>6687952
>I figured it out just fine because I'm not a retard who smashes my head into the wall trying something that obviously isnt working.
Ironically solved by smashing random buttons on the controller until you got the desired result. Seems like a "puzzle" that the retards who throw a fit would solve while the kids who overthink it would assume they had to time their jumps right.

>>6687952
>I had sonic 3 on pc before I ever had internet access and I figured it out just fine
Oh that explains it, you got to use the keyboard instead of the Batpaddle which as this 1995 user noted makes things much more difficult.

>>6687998
no its solved by eliminating all the options, see i did try the jump timing thing but you realize after a few seconds it doesn't work. reminds me of that retarded quote thats always misattributed to einstein

>>6688178
Except it did work

>>6688178
>no its solved by eliminating all the options
Or you just play something else. That's what people aren't getting. It's not that as kids we spent hours fighting the barrel and lost. It's that we were kids with limited attention spans so when we ran into a dumb ass mess of level design we spent some time trying to time our jumps, getting bored, and playing something else. A lot of us just stopped caring.

>>6688302
>us
How many people do you have in that head of yours anon?

>>6688190
no it doesn't it gets you close but obviously not far enough after a few attempts, if you tried that shit for longer than a minute you are fucking braindead

80s kids who pronounce it "haidrawssity" had minimal difficulty solving the barrel's puzzle.

>>6688373
>80s kids
Let it go anon, let it go already.

Why don't we talk about the most ignored truth in the gaming? That 90% of the early Mario games were a fucking waste because the developers decided to put in literal brain dead piss easy "warps" that required literally zero skill to acquire besides simply knowing they exist.

Through just the most basic of exploring you'll find a way to skip over basically the entire fucking game.

>>6688481
Seething

>>6687657
cringe

>>6688481
you run into those by accident just by playing the game. what were they thinking?

>>6687994
Sounds like she's got a lot of issues to work out

>>6687657
Yeah, all those eight year olds going onto usenet to ask about it instead of figuring it out.

NOPE
kids sorted it out fine. It was, then as now, braindead 20-somethings getting to that, not being used to having to actually THINK, and instead go online to ask for help

>>6687994
do those posts look like they are from 6 years olds you idiot?

>>6688841

I got Super Mario Bros at the widespread retail launch in the U.S. when I was 5 years old and I lived in the country with zero friends around. I found the first warp zone on literally the first fucking day as what kid isn't going to try to see how far they can run on the top of the stage when it is obvious that you can do so? Same with the vine (or beanstalk as I called it). Some obviously weirdly placed brick just hanging out....definitely nothing in there I bet lol.

Unironically in mega man 2 how was I supposed to know I was supposed to jump down the hole here, it makes no sense.

>>6689993
Because it's at the end of the room in a hold-right-to-win scotformer.

>>6664795
I wonder how many christmases that part has ruined for children

>>6694007
babbys first puzzle

>>6664795
that barrel has negative emotional aura without question.