/vr/ - Retro Games

You will never get the SUCC
Never

bleh

Fabulous gay dragons edition

>>6649329
I'll humor you
>based bleh poster

>>6648735
Can we get more slav/russian HOMMIII memes?

>>6648735
GREETINGS AND SALUTATIONS!!!!

>>6650178
HOTA

>>6650182
why is that aesthetics so comfy?

>>6650231
I dunno but this is all the "3D" I need in my CRPGs. MM6 got the formula just right.
I think we need a new wave of MM6/7/8 clones.

To me they're just right. The graphics are more representational than literal, yet they're still pretty enough. Free movement, not grid movement. 2D assets means more content. I found myself actually pausing to read books/notes/dialog as opposed to Oblivion where I just click through everything.
These games are more rewarding.

We have a lot of clones of MM1-5. I want to see some more 6/7/8 with free movement.

>>6650182
CHOOSE ME OR SUFFER !

>>6650231
The mix of pre-rendered stuff and digitized actors has a goofy charm I can't really explain. Maybe I just played it for too long.

>>6650249
are you the guy in the last thread who was speaking about making a remake?
anyway I agree, also I think that the way the textures are not blurry as fuck because of interpolation (like in early 3D games like Half Life), make it look 10x better

>>6650280
It never looked good to filter low res textures(most of the textures ingame are 64x64 or 128x128), but something like anisotropic filtering could really help.
It preserves the detail on distant textures while greatly reducing shimmering and pattern effects.

>>6650280
>are you the guy in the last thread who was speaking about making a remake?
Guilty
>anyway I agree, also I think that the way the textures are not blurry as fuck because of interpolation (like in early 3D games like Half Life), make it look 10x better
Yeah which is part of why I didn't like the look of MM7 and 8. I was hoping there could be a greyface setting to switch the look back to the nearest-neighbor filtering of MM6.

>>6650280
Also, I want to clarify that I only say that stuff because I would play someone else's clone in a heartbeat
I'm not shilling some stupid thing I might never make, I'm just trying to facilitate discussion in the (probably foolish) hopes that someone might make a clone
I only want to make it because I want to play it

>>6650467
Idk anon, it's pretty niche as it is and the original team struggled over 3 years with the game(rebooting and redoing the project in late 1996 after the reactions from the E3 show were so negative)
Who's willing to do that with no guaranteed return?

>>6650503
Someone passionate or obsessed

>>6650273
>>6650182
How are ya today?

>>6650550
hello

Fheroes2 v0.8 is out:
https://github.com/ihhub/fheroes2/releases/tag/0.8

>Major rework of battle animations including units, spells and heroes
>Implementation of color cycling to animate water/lava surfaces, adventure map objects and units
>Refining UI including scaling, responsiveness, alignment and content (both text and sprites)
>Implementation of missing spell effects such as Lightning, Armageddon, Death Wave as well as fixing many others
>Update render engine and added SDL 2 optimizations; better fullscreen and high resolution support
>Numerous game logic fixes including combat, spells, map, AI and pathfinding
>Improvement of music support and sound mapping, updated MIDI converter
>Add SMK video support
>Over 200 bugs fixed since 0.7 release

SEEYA, CHEAPSKATE!

>>6650178
This is my fav.

>>6650550
>>6650584
Uh...where are we?

>>6650641
I've played the game since I was a kid and I don't get this meme :(

>>6650660
Maybe this isn't the place for us...

>>6650249
There are tons of doom clones, so it shouldn't be too much of a reach for MM6 clones. I would say the problem lies with the engine not be readily accesible like id tech 1and Build, but that doesnt account for people not making similar games in other engines.

*blocks your path*

>>6650587
desu I really don't see the point of recoding HOMM2 in fucking C++, and I work professionally with this language.
They should just stick to python

>>6650182
Christ, it's like they didn't even understand the point of a crossguard

>>6651105
Unfortunately this is now the age of autism in gaming, where a misplaced detail triggers shitstorms.

The artists on the team weren't experts for medieval weapons. From what I could gather every artist did a bit of everything. Everyone build a number of characters from start to finish, everyone created props and decorations, everyone crated items and weapon sets, everyone did some work on the splash screens and interior renders.

Why didn't they do a HOMM3 map that is basically the world map of MM6 or 7 ?
or did they do it ? I don't remember

>>6651105
Isn't that common with fantasy weapons?

>Christ, it's like they didn't even understand the point of a crossguard

>>6651105
That part of the blade is blunt, you dumb fuck. The artist did nothing wrong, meanwhile you are an autistic cretine, the worst kind of both autist and cretine

pixel art Might and Magic > 3D Might and Magic

NO NO NO NO
YOU SICK FUCKS
WHY WOULD YOU PUT A DECK OF MANY THINGS IN THE GAME

>>6651509
seethe grandpa

>>6651509
But it's tile based.

>>6651509
I've been trying out a few games in the series lately, and thus far Isles of Terra is the only one I've really enjoyed all that much. I like how huge and open World of Xeen is, but thus far the locations have felt kind of dull for some reason, and it has been really easy. I like the environments in 6, but I'm less fond of the smaller party size and awkward combat.

>>6650273
HEYO

>>6651561
based on what?

>>6651509
Based MM3-5

>>6648934
SUCC WARS is kusoge

>>6651007
>similar games in other engines
This is more what I'm thinking

>>6651105
>>6651150
>>6651171
>>6651376
The screenshot is clearly from a mod, so it's probably an autistic modder's fault

>>6651509
Sorry, Grandpa. This is 1998, get with the times.
But seriously, the grid-based ones just don't capture my imagination or interest.
>>6651561
Exactly

And I think I'd like Ultima Underworld more if it had an overworld, but I mean, even the title of the game forbids it.

Choose your fighter

>>6652175
I really like these portraits and hate the fact that they downgraded the, with shitty 3d

>>6652461
Yeah it turned into "babby's first poser art"
They probably were jealous of all the full-3D games at the time.
It would have been cooler with nice pixel art instead, or if they stuck with the silly photos
I think the photo portraits are silly but they're extremely charming

>>6650587
>Major rework of battle animations including units, spells and heroes
why?

also is it based on the correct og homm2, or the garbage gold homm2?

>>6651168
The mm worlds suck.

>>6651695

even though it's fake retro, the MMX: Legacy they did a few years back is pretty good. Got a bad rep because of bug issues on release, and starts VERY slow, but it's a solid game in the spirit of the NWC stuff with amazingly strategic combat that the MM series never quite had.

>>6652878
Is it 100% grid based or is there a free movement mode?

>>6652889

Grid based, which is probably why it flopped commercially, but there are a lot more "push/pull" tactical spells which actually utilize the grid during combats.

Srs worth checking out, though I will warn you Act 1 is slow as hell, and Act 2 is where the game truly begins to bloom.

>>6652967
>waaah i have to tactically think and use my brain for once instead of mindlessly pressing a button over and over to allow the game to win itself for me
Fucking casuals ruining things for everyone. We won't get MMXI because of them now

>>6653046

True, but do we blame the casuals, or blame Ubi for thinking:

>pseudo-retro game made for pure nostalgia reasons
>intentionally outdated mechanics
>full of references no one under the age of 30 would understand
>"Let's market this one to Steam zoomers!"

Still, MMX is a great fucking game. The reddit AMA with the actual Dev team was a hoot.

>>6652645
>They probably were jealous of all the full-3D games at the time.
They weren't "jealous", they were trying to sell their game, and it worked obviously, the world was moving on to 3D games.

>>6652878
>>6653097
MMX is a riot. It's cobbled together out of leftover Heroes 6 assets in Unity by a team of yesterday students, and it's not quite an MM game considering it's so utterly fucking linear and limiting, but as a blobber on its own it's actually somewhat fantastic.

>>6652878
>no monsters respawn
>it's not an open world
>you can be completly stuck if you screw your characters skills and stats
>on the hardest difficulty Gralkor (first fucking boss) requires fire magic to beat him, if you don't have it you're probably stuck

I'm a Might and Magic veteran and I beat Mega Dragon from Xeen on the hardest difficulty. I also coudn't beat Gralkor in this shitty Julien's game made in Unity.

>>6653161

>monsters don't respawn in 3,4,5 either

>it absolutely is an open world after Act 2 - the beef gates are real, but beatable - git gud

>not really, unless you're a retard who is putting 100% of your skill points into your Barbarian's Magic stat or some dumb shit. Even then it's doable.

>You don't need Fire Magic to beat Gralkor

Just because you clearly suck balls at the game, don't go making up shit.

>>6653179
Google "Might and Magic X stuck Gralkor", it's clearly a common problem, so the game is a pure example of shitty game design. Also 3-5 had arena so you could always grind

>>6651168
> HOMM3 map that is basically the world map of MM6
But they did since the original HoMM3.
Map is called "The Mandate of Heavens".
It even has the original obelisk cryptic puzzle in MM6, pretty annoying because everytime you step on the obelisk, a pop up appears showing the cryptic puzzle.

>>6650697
Skeleton transformer kills the units put into it and gives you and equal amount of skeletons, or bone dragons in case the units are dragons.

>>6652645
>shitty 3d
There is no 3D here anon. These are 50% stock images, 50% pictures of team and their friends. These were then overpainted by hand in Photoshop.

>>6653179
Different anon, I got stuck as well, though you'll just have to take me at my word that I wasn't a dumbass with my skills/stats. I could almost kill him but fell short each attempt. Had to restart the game with him specifically in mind when I leveled up.
Also, just because 3-5 didnt have enemies respawn either doesnt automatically mean it's a good mechanic for this game. There are definite balance issues.

>>6652645
>They probably were jealous of all the full-3D games at the time
[citation needed]
They started working on this in late 1995(with half of it being scrapped in late 1996). You can't change engines or technology during development, that always ends in disaster.

I just picked up HoMM III of GOG. I played a few games, but I can't get into a successful, basic level strategy to work off of and experiment from. Any advice for a newbie?

>>6653585
Hire at least two (bare minimum) extra heroes on the first turn to act as scouts who pick up any loose resources and find places for your main hero to go to.
Build dwellings first to get an early army going. This lets you get through neutral stacks early and get those treasure chests for more resources.
Always pick gold from chests.
Logistics is the best skill. Always pick it for all heroes if given the chance.

>>6653585
You can remove retaliation with a single unit stacks. Also block enemies with those 1 unit stacks.

>>6653179
Monster respawn in 3 if you don't destroy their lairs.
Don't remember 4, 5 and SoX, recently replayed 3 a few months ago.
>>6653539
Should cry too if you put an Azure Dragon into the Skeleton Transformer, strongest dragons became the weakest dragons.

>>6653585
>Short version
Play tutorial, then play Long Live the Queen campaign from Restoration of Erathia, then play bunch of random maps, XL without water and with underworld.

>Long version
Do all the bits from short version. Memorise how each unit looks like and what it can do (takes a while for a greenhorn) and what each skill and spell does, then read Tribute to Strategists, which you can get here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/cqmbkal2agqwycp/Tribute_to_Strategists.docx/file

just look at this chad. I bet he's drowning in pussy...literally a heroes of might and magic rock star. Man is living the dream.

>>6654041
XL maps are terrible at teaching you how to play since the AI gets progressively worse the longer the game goes on for, compared to the player. So even if you play the start wrong, you'll usually have enough time to put together some kind of a main that's enough to beat any the AI's three trillion heroes with low stats and a week or two's worth of creatures.

>>6652675
What's the difference?

Is M&M X worth my time? How about the deluxe edition that comes with M&M VI?

>>6654042

>>6654042
femanon here, he is very handsome

>>6654310
you think he is bisexual? Most great rock stars are, I wouldn't rule it out

>>6648934
succ wars is the best homm game ever, how I love this graphics style, early artwork looked dope af too

>>6654412
you mean cunnipilled, yes he probalby is as all gamers true are

>>6654502
no, I meant bisexual, only utter degenerates would even know what the fuck "cunnipilled" means, but that image is distressing enough. He is a cool kind of degenerate I think - homo and bi is ok - not the depraved asshole kind.

>>6654526
>fags okay
>cunnychads bad

I don't like where this is going.

>>6654542
go away pedo, you deserve to be staked and quartered

>>6654630
t. facebook tourist

anyway speaking of cringe and faggots, anyone know what the donk-man looks like?

>>6654738
ask your mom, heard he frequents her street

>>6654069
gold lets you get ghosts

>>6654762
yes because this screams heterosexsuality

>>6654042
real him looks handsome
homm3 him looks meh

>>6654793
>being this insecure
kys; also nobody said your mom wasn't a faggot lol

>>6654452
shut up, orzie!

>>6654793
>>6654835
now kiss

>>6654762
Kek

>>6653554
I'm obviously talking about Might and Magic 7 and 8, anon. I know the NPCs in 6 are photos.

What happened to this fan sequel? It was going to be based on the MM6/7/8 engine.

>>6655010
pic related is the current status of the project since 2013

>>6655010
weren't they shutdown by Ubisoft or something? I remember reading an article about it, the dev team for this project was quite big too, some 20+ IIRC

>>6654991
>I know
he knows
good

>>6649329
i actually call the vampires in homm3 blehs to this day because of that.

'hmmm, i need more bleh lords'

i am in my 40s.

>>6655029
oh so they started a patreon

>>6655034
Yet Ubisoft releases some joyless weaksauce Unity-based game that calls itself Might and Magic X.

>>6654042
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
WTF, how did Docent self-insert in my Homm2 ???

>>6655982
That is both impressive and unnerving.

>>6655982
>>6656550
Docent is a manifestation of HoMM series in our real world. It's like the game didn't want to die and be forgotten so it created this person to develop Hota and keep the interest to HoMM series in general.

This is a creepypasta bread D:

>>6656587
Even his name could pass for a hero name in homm when you think about it

>>6653606
>>6653818
>>6654041
Thanks for the tips, fellas.
>>6654065
I'll keep that in mind.

>>6656587
so is the anti-hota fag the manifistation of ubisoft?

MM6 is impossible to complete only following the main quests. You HAVE to do the sidequests in order to become strong enough to survive and deal any decent damage

>>6658842
IMPOSSIBRU

>>6658920
Wasn't talking about speedruns, you ninny

Is playing online fun? Jebus Cross seems very retarded to me

>unable to generate random map

>>6659531
Are there any modified jebus templates? Like one where there's just 1 extra town, 1 gold mine, and 2 wood & ore mines in your starting area? I like the idea behind it, but the abundance of resources makes it dull to me.

>>6659728
You can draw or modify it yourself. It's pretty easy with new editor

If I want to make say a skin for a unit or change an existing one, say I want to make the pegasi riders have bigger breasts, how do I go on about it? What software do I need?

>>6658920
how u do dat

>>6658842
Wrong

>>6659991
H3 deftool to work with compressed file, any image editor to change individual sprites

>>6651105
Accurate as fuck actually. Zoltan is a sorceror he has no fucking idea what he's doing, he just wants the props of having a two handed sword.

>>6651027
TFW no jump spell

>>6650249
So much of it is the sound. Not just the excellent music but the incredibly over the top VO and the amazing spell sounds. I weep for the past.

>>6650608
I've been treated better!!!

>>6661864
Most of the sounds are just the usual stock library samples from that time...but maybe that's part of the charm.

>>6654793
>aztec dragon thing
>stops to meditate in the lotus position

this shit is why we're having riots right now

>>6662316
> European creatures like elf, unicorn, centaur, dragon
> Asian armor, asian architecture, asian features on dragon

>>6650182
>>6651105
>>6651150
>>6661852
Holding the sword with one hand on the blade is actually a legit fencing technique, it's called "half-swording" and it gives better leverage for thrusting.

>>6662726
nice try to save anon but I think that this is just another intentional "omission" to make the character worth his ridiculous loadout

>>6661852
>Zoltan the sorcerer
Does everyone name their sorcerer Zoltan?

>>6663265
I named mine Zoltar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSOKEC6IMeg

well /vr/os do you agree?

FUCK conflux and their super special snowflake shit, not only are all their units and heroes overpowered as shit but their grail is the strongest too, fuck that town its mod tier

>>6664397
What would the Factory get as their grail building if they didn't get cancelled?
What would be the effect of the grail building?

FUCK YOU
CASTLE DARKMOOR IS A TERRIBLE FUCKING DUNGEON
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THINGS DIFFICULT
MAKE THEM FUCKING DIFFICULT
NOT CHEAP

>>6664426
Can buy units one week in advance.

>>6662726
sorry pal, you already got btfo'd

>>6664458
Spent what feels like weeks in that particular dungeon. Realistically less, but the non-stop status altering, casting resistance spells, healing and resting can test one's patience.

>>6664458
>fucks your party through the walls

>>6650178
>when you resist chain lightning and save whole army

>>6665058
forgot pic

>>6664458
Those are some nice buffs you got there. Sure would be a shame if someone instantly dispelled them

>>6654452
That is admittedly sexy

>>6654793
I think it looks cool, I just don't think it fits the line up.

>>6651509
Don't make me laugh!
Is that supposed to hurt?
Hardly a match!

>>6665008
>resting
You're supposed to George Floyd's Beacon back to the New Sorpigal temple

>>6666842
>giving money to templejews instead of beaconing to the Bootleg Bay and guzzling free mana from fountain of magic

>>6666842
what >>6667079 said

>tfw New Sorpigal

Is it the comfiest MM town?

>>6667669
>takes teleporter straight to Dragonsand

>>6667669
>>6667746
you guys are my homies :)

>>6667669
>tfw darkmoor city

>>6662578
>no idea what you're trying to say
>guess you're some kind of faggot otherkin

I did it

>>6669161

>finally have time to actually play through my own map instead of just checking everything works
>notice a learning stone is inaccessible
Fug. At least it's a fun map.
Also:
>ride through an AI area, defeat its heroes and take its town
>see nothing interesting and leave
>no less than three AI heroes ride out from the shroud that covers nothing but empty ground to take town back
Like fucking cockroaches.

>>6664426
Industrialization: All resource outputs produce twice their regular yields.

>>6669521
I considered that but that pretty much just becomes an even bigger gold boost.

>>6664781
Once you buy units in advance the first time and continue doing it, then you dont see any actual perks. The only difference is you bought double the first week you got the grail, from then on you'd still be buying once a week. I could see it semi-working on XL maps and above since you're likely to be taking and losing towns frequently, allowing you to pump out a hero with two weeks worth of units or prevent the enemy from getting units the week after they capture your town.

What about something related to war machines? They deal extra damage/heal and upon getting destroyed are subsequently replaced the next turn.

>>6667669
Yes

>>6670158
stackable war machines like in WoG

Last one I played was HoMM V (I refuse to call the series MM:H), loved the fuck off II and III, skipped IV. Google'd that it is in its VII installment.
Should I play VI or VII? VI and VII? Only VI? Only VII? They're on Erathia?
Is there an VIII in production?

>>6671630
I played 6 and 7 and can't say I hated them. Although I only went through the campaigns and dropped them forever. The one I keep returning to is 3, occasionally 5.

>>6667669
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm33MMa9d_A
peak comfy

>>6671630
DESU HOMM6 isn't too bad if you are not into developing economy but into developing characters

Time to do MMVII I guess

>>6671630
>skipped IV

no, go back and play it - yeah its basicly an alpha version but what they made is still very playable

>>6672364
MM7 is pretty good, you will like it

>>6673106
>Forgot how painful it is when not having wizard eye
>I noticed they added more tactical options in turn based with being able to move
>I hate the 3d models and want to go back to MM6-style digitized actors
>Rush getting bows
>Always rush getting bows
>They're so fucking helpful
>I liked the intro cutscene
>Best joke in the game so far is the girl you can buy seashells from

>>6673208
>I hate the 3d models and want to go back to MM6-style digitized actors
I know. I thought the photo actors were goofy but charming. I also dislike the texture filtering in MM7 and 8. But like I said earlier in the thread, I'll take them with the scars.

It would be fun if someone just did a whole new texture/image pack.

Okay, that's it. I'll finally allow myself to have a day off, install HOTA, and spend the whole evening playing.

It's still surprising how despite having awful isometric graphic IV managed to have hottest Heroes models

>>6675356
Fuck u

>>6653097
>Still, MMX is a great fucking game.
Honestly it was pretty disappointing
>it's not attempt to revive series, just cheap use of pre-6 MM mechanics with HoMM V and Dark messiah models
>only 2 races to choose

>>6675373
Sorry for images for ants, tried to find larger, found only mage

FACTORY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQWzHjz4Cs4

Hota is amazing

This is the most I've been proud of my people since last time I watched a soviet ww2 movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qae5lCCyIgk

>>6675961
>when it's pride month

Are there somewhere the formulas used to compute damage in battles? Like how many HP are removed when unit X attacks unit Y

>>6675953
>Flamethrower upgrade makes her qt3.14 blonde
Pretty based. New colorization of the cowboys looks good as well, but I'm not sold on the rainbow couatls and earth worms. They feel over-designed and too detailed graphically.

I like that music too. Is it the Factory town theme?

>>6676136
>he surrendered the rainbow to fags
pathetic

What's the status of VCMI? Anyone even still working on it?

>>6675961
the soviets killed more russians than the mongols french and germans combined, how can you be proud of that?

>>6676261
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Damage#The_damage_calculation_formula

>>6677278
Nice propaganda there bro, any source for that?

>>6677301
oh shit you seriously belive that, beep-beep get in we'll explain later

>>6653254

Well, I guess I'm the only person in the world with a high enough IQ to use the FREE Earth Resistance Shrine when Im fighting an Earth Elemental boss then.

Phew, close fight, almost had to use the free Destiny and free Hour of Power shrines too!

>>6677301
Nice commie in my cozy HoMM thread.

>>6677301
Пocтиpaй штaны, кoммигниль.

>>6677301
кoммипидap cacaть
>>6678273
бaзиpoвaннo дa кpacнoпилюльнeнькo

>>6671630
IV made a lot of weird choices but it's worth playing. Skills go up to grandmaster and become retardedly broken. I recall Necromancy reviving vampires at GM level.
Your hero is an actual unit in combat, that can be killed like any other stack. The drawbacks are obvious but the benefit is you can have an army entirely composed of heroes with anime tier power levels laying waste to the land.

>>6671630
>Should I play VI or VII? VI and VII? Only VI? Only VII?
Neither, unless you like cheap family dramas
VII is literally V, but done wrong.
>They're on Erathia?
Nope, Ashan centuries before HoMM V

>>6678484
>>6678687
lol obvious samefag

>>6678689
Actually no

>>6678484
>you can have an army entirely composed of heroes with anime tier power levels laying waste to the land.

lol good luck with splitting that xp 7 ways and leveling up to beat tier 1 starter monsters at the same time

Why does the HotA turns the original beautiful models into shit? This one is pretty, the one from HotA is shit.

>>6679915
upset they turned up the gamma for the Fire Elementals?

>>6677278
>the soviets killed more russians than the mongols french and germans combined
The fact that there are people who actually believe this makes me scared

>>6648735
I know the exact brand of fucking south slav čips this shit comes from, it's serbian Clipsy Mix

>>6680610
But its true

How would you change the Conflux grail special to make it more balanced? I personally think it could be changed to be something like the Stronghold or Fortress ones, just something that activates when the town is sieged. Like, defending heroes can cast any spell at expert level during a siege.

>>6677323
mhm, interesting how soviets "killed more russians" than anyone else ever, yet the population of Russia was at it's peak in 1991, steadily rising for the 40 years of USSR rule, yet Russia of today has some ~4 million citizens less, 30 years after the union dissolved. Shame on those soviets, killing russians with continuous baby boom, how perfidious.

>>6681403
>yet the population of Russia was at it's peak in 1991,
Native population of union republics

>>6679915
i agree with you on this one, fuck them for changing the orc and pikeman with those shitty high-res models that look like a GTA NEW CARS mod

>>6680610
>that time stalin killed everyone who's name ended in "ski" because of some imaginary polish intelligence operation, kek you cant make that up and all the shit lenin did but he's not as evil as stalin so that means he's good and okay to worship right?

>>6681403
yes and? do you think they would not recover eventualy from all the shit they did in the 20s 30s and 40s? all the stuff stalin stole from eastern europe must have been worth something? if it was so great why did it fall overitself and why did those poeple live? why are all the buisness owners either mafia or ex communist officials/their songs???


fucking red boomer bootlickers ruining the thread

>>6679915
Just play SoD
>>6681694
Just play SoD

Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to add loads of quicksand into all desert battles? I thought HotA was all about reducing the importance of RNG.
Also negative luck is ridiculous. Just had a battle where a good quarter of the attacks from both heroes were unlucky and all I have is one artifact that causes -1 luck.

Anon, the entire town is talking about your heinous deeds, and I absolutely REFUSE to be associated with someone of your vile reputation!

>>6681836
>Armageddon

>>6681738
seethe harded

>>6681830
not all desert battles, only spesific magic terrain, pic related

hmm sounds like someone was unlucky

>>6681951
It's not very good terrain if you can't even tell it's there without right clicking on each tile.

>>6681986
eh, it doesent spawn on random maps so if the map creator wants he will design the map to make the dunes obvious or he will hide them on purpose

Spell research and AI on a large map, never again. I'll have nightmares about those three billion heroes who all had dimension door, fly, blind, and berserk. That the game crashed twice when I assembled the Armor of the Damned didn't exactly improve the experience.

>>6681986
It's noticeably lighter and less grainy than the normal sand.

>>6682662
I hate sand

>>6682672

>>6675382
Fuck off with your second life shit.

>>6678823
Even just from playing the campaigns I can tell you this isn't how it works.
You obviously start with just one main hero that is being carried by their units for the first half of the game. In the mean time you use other heroes to either improve economy, collect things or just do smaller battles and the dwellings while your main hero is doing something else. By the time the main hero is busted and others at least have the "Combat" skill on decent specialization, you basically won and you can terrorize everything and everyone. It's fun and some missions/scenarios obviously encourage that.

why is mm6 so fucking comfy? just everything about it is perfect.

>>6681861
kek

>>6684497
For some reason it feels more like a living world than even modern RPGs like Skyrim. It’s so much comfier. It feels bigger somehow even though it’s not really.

>>6681861

Peak Schizo:

>cast Armageddon
>go through town Reanimating every single towns person...
>... so you can cast Armageddon again

Speaking of Reanimate, I love that spell so much more in MM7 - don't loot any of the Goblins/bats/rats from Harmondale castle, so when you get Dark Magic, you can have an army of vermin to fight off Stanwick's mercenaries.

>>6684385
bruh just use level1 creatures for scouting and picking up things, windmill niggas are litteraly obsolete

it takes ALOT to level up your main because theres so many good things to get and the more you do the stronger you are

>>6684991
Yeah, you do that, sadly there are two issues with that.
One is that creatures cannot flag things and second is that there's no option to remove "You still have some movement left, are you sure you want to end the turn" pop up.

>>6685850
almost all objects are guarded anyway so i dont see it being much of an issue

speaking of splitting creature stacks, most people probably dont know that you can cheese town portal if you put 4 stacks (or less if there is a convinient object) blocking the towngate, it will teleport your hero to the nearest empty spot which can be your town on the other end of the world sort of like in heroes3, another reason why Order is the best magic school

Zanfas' Challenge, home...

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cr8ZsuBWZg
Paul Romero posts 100% official gatchimuchi remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cr8ZsuBWZg

yet somehow anti-hota activists spreg about how rainbows are gay

>>6686660
Now I want to play H4 and this map.

>>6686660
Damn it's a shame some combat elements, leveling and altgrades along with graphic were done awful.

>>6687151
I personally really like how overworld looks in IV. It's not perfect and not fully polished, but it's a very colorful and clean look.

I'm doing some "for fun" project on Machine Learning where I'm trying to make my model learn how to fight a battle in HOMM2
I've simplified it a bit but they I realized...
when fighting the exact same army as you (let's say 10 pikemen vs 10 pikemen), what the fuck is supposed to be the best strategy?
It seems that if you go last you are fucked

>>6686660
It looks better from a distance. I think the main problem with 4's visuals is the ground surface. It looks artificial, almost plastic regardless of terrain type and fails to tie the world together visually. This is less noticeable from afar.

>>6687014
holy fuck, what a god

>>6650182
How is a sorcerer using a sword and chainmail? I also see a bunch of unrecognizable weapons and books. Which mods are you using?

>>6687017
do it anon, dont be a drone and try h4, its obviously not as good as h3 but its not all bad

>>6687151
whats wrong with the leveling? too rpg-ish?

>>6687671

graphics however certainly have their charm and the devs got better at map making for the expansions but yeah unit models look like crap

>>6687439
without splitting them into stacks, you pray to RNJesus for damage rolls

>>6687997
fuck i forgot my picture

>>6687997
>whats wrong with the leveling?
1) Heroes basically returned to HoMM 2 state, completely identical to each other.
2) Too sloppy, you barely feel any difference between levels and hero's powers unless you are somewhere lvl20
3) Leveling 2 heroes of the same class usually identical as well, you don't get some unique and or weird perks to chose which could lead to completely different build
It's not "too rpg-ish", but certainly feels unfinished

>>6688161
You are right i had completely forgot they removed the hero specialities and thats a huuge issue, now the only thing that matteres is your hero's portrait.

As for the leveling yeah, having every skill scale spread out in 5 was a bit redundant, 4 should be enough. However i really liked the idea of the class system where you could combine diffrent skills and turn your hero into a Cardinal or Demonologist for a unique perk. Its just that leveling was so damn slow and you have a small chance of aquiring new "trees" since you only have 3 options of leveling up and it would almost always be 2 of your primary skill and 1 combat - this made stuff like univercities and those random skill teaching buildings very important

>>6687961
Looks like one of the Maestro mods. You can let any class learn any skill with some minor changes in the class skills txt with MMExtension which most mods require.

>>6688468
>However i really liked the idea of the class system where you could combine diffrent skills and turn your hero into a Cardinal or Demonologist for a unique perk
Yeah but it's obviously unfinished
Honestly V had perfect leveling.

One day, I will play Homm 3 again, and I will finish the story.

One day

>>6688520
But it removed the distinction between might and magic heroes and everyone was just one faction type letting you rely on rng, the 5.5 fixes that but then you have to play only random maps

>>6688529
>>6688531
TODAY

>>6688535
realisticly tho, how much time someone need to finish the main campaign?

>>6688535
>But it removed the distinction between might and magic heroes
But it doesn't.

>>6688537
its a turnbased game, time is irrelevant

>>6688583
diffrent types have diffrnet probabilities of getting diffrent skills

>>6688590
>diffrent types have diffrnet probabilities of getting diffrent skills
Chances of getting some certain skills depends on character's starting skills.
You still can make various might or magic builds (except Stronghold).
The core change hapenned in castles specialisation (most obvious example is Dungeon) which actualised alternative builds

>>6688637
but a mage focused warlock has the same chance for war machines and enlightenment as a might oriented one

>>6688653
>but a mage focused warlock has the same chance for war machines and enlightenment as a might oriented one
Nope if the knight is Vittorio
Not to mention there is much less builds for war-machine Warlock.

>>6688658
im talking about random primary skills you fucking redditor, my shitty generic demon guy has as much chance to get destruction magic (which i dont want) as logistics (which i want) while if it was split into overlord/heretic i could pick what suits my desire best

>>6688663
>my shitty generic demon guy has as much chance to get destruction magic (which i dont want) as logistics (which i want)
So you have both chances to get desirable skill.
Also, you knew that it's not hard to get logisctic on casters back in HoMm 3?

>>6688683
because its waaay more likely to get logistics on an overlord than a heretic, ever seen a knight with scholar?

>>6688689
Okay, guess your problem they removed caster/melee heroes for each factions?
Also, yes, I've seen. Even more I once runned magic Sorsha

>>6678484
>>6673103
This. It's full of interesting ideas executed poorly and it's not balanced in the slightest, but it has a lot of charm and you can still have a ton of fun with it. The base game campaigns are pretty damn good (leagues better than the HoMM3 campaigns imo). The writing in general is suprisingly good, even if that's not exactly why you'd play a HoMM game in the first place.
t. HoMM4 loving faggot
I sure as heck hate the grid system and the way castles work tho

>>6688727
During his quest to reactivate the five Points, Gauldoth befriended Alana, a young Priestess he rescued from a homicidal, witless Captain Enric, subsequently putting Enric to death. After an ice demon attack which left his living half dying from blood loss, Alana healed Gauldoth, inspiring him to discuss with her the nature of Life Magic.
>When they reached the fifth and last Point of Power, they entered it together, and she begged him not to activate it, as she could sense the evil all around her. Gauldoth asked whether good was stronger than evil, and when she said it was, he asked her to activate the Point of Power herself, to prove it. She kissed his cheek and did it, and the energy slew her immediately, as Gauldoth had guessed it would - he had even cleaned away the bones from anyone who had tried it, before she arrived.

Seriously, what the FUCK was his problem???

--
"The nature of the Universe is indiscriminate. It doesn't judge. It doesn't care about good or evil because neither exists."
—Gauldoth Half-Dead

^ What a fucking asshole, this shitty quote was probably some edgy teen's forum signature in the early 2000s

>>6688760
>"The nature of the Universe is indiscriminate. It doesn't judge. It doesn't care about good or evil because neither exists."
>—Gauldoth Half-Dead
sounds like Ben Shapiro

>>6688727
where are the portraits so shit?

>>6689026
probably not a priority when you don't know wether you're gonna have a job in a few months or not.

>>6688760
>Seriously, what the FUCK was his problem???
Something tells it's the half of his body

>>6688727
That reminds me, another nice touch in H4 was the bonus titles your hero would get from mastering specific skills. Nobility/estates & Dark magic was Dark lord iirc.

>>6687961
Mm6 doesn't have class restrictions like the later games you can master plate and sword with any class

>>6689546
MM6 does have class restrictions in learning the skill in the first place and Sorcerers are blocked from learning any armor skill other than leather. It's using MMExtension for the skills and >>6688476 is probably right for the graphics.

mm7 maestro mod worth playing? Seems kinda janky.

I just finished replaying 6-8 in order, and for whatever reason I found that I liked 8 best this time, even though I should have been burnt out. Not sure why, maybe I’m gay. I kind of like that it didnt have the endgame with blasters. It was neat twist in 6 but not again in 7.

>>6689717
Super janky, I recently tried out the Rev4 remastered mod (which combines Maestro's mod and BDJ's Rev4) and it just crashes after turning in the kill of Xenofex in so the game was unbeatable.

The UI elements are an ok improvement, though it was annoying with trainers moved around to become more coherent cities (with city walls). Tularean Forest has a nice redesign though where it goes a lot more vertical and each of the bridges make the sections really feel separate.

>>6690079
The dungeons are just bland in the second half of MM8. Other than maybe Escaton's Palace everything is straightforward and uninspired. By the time you get to Blasters in MM6 or MM7 the game is already over. The relative scaling down of Shrapmetal helps MM8.

>another desert town is released
why is this theme so popular? Modders seem to love it

>>6690468
Out of vanilla terrains the only one not represented is desert. I mean, there is necropolis, but it's dark and gloomy while desert proper is basked in sun. And there are nomads.

>>6690468
Because theres an expansive egyptian mythology and a lot of the ingredients are already in the game. A natural progression, but pretty dull seeing so many try and pull it off.

>>6690468
because they are intellectually bankrupt and cant think their way out of a wet paper bag

>>6690468
>only terrain without a faction
cave wall faction when?
>and there are nomads
cool, cant wait for hota to add in Irish town because there are leprechauns

>>6690339

Plus, instead of blasters at the end, they give you dragons near the beginning.

Even without dragons, mm8 is ridculously easy and dull.

At least mm9 did some cool shit with their dungeon design.

>>6690468
a) Sand terrain
b) Egypt mythology
c) all of the above

>>6691718
>only golems and nomads as stolen neutral monsters

they almost deserve a commend for not going all the way putting in rougues and mummies too, almost

>>6690270
I have the same version, the paper dolls are a mess, item textures look bad and I found 2 artifacts and plently of +15 weapons in emerald islands. I think I'll pass on this one and play vanilla once more...

Is it me being burnt out or is MM7 not as addictive as MM6?

>>6690468
unironically fits VARN aesthetic and game lore

>>6691853
I'd say you're burnt out mm7 is fucking cash.

>>6688000
SOUL

>>6691992
Why the fuck would a spaceship interior look like egypt anyway?

On DF2 Docent Picolan just posted new Forge pictures

(auto translated)
Asked George Almond for some additional material on the Forge. And to our surprise, he found them. Not so many, but after more than 20 years, even a few images are already a very valuable addition. In addition, previously well-known concepts appeared in slightly better quality (or without cropped parts).

>>6692306
ancient
aliens

>>6692306
Ancient civilization theory

>>6688727
Just noticed that Necropolis getting good campaigns nearly in any good HoMM game, from II to V

>>6692306

>>6692306
A popular theme in science fiction that got reinvigorated int the 90s.
I like ancient Egyptian styles, but I chuckle a bit every time I hear people having serious conversations about connections between ancient civilizations and extraterrestrial visitors. Like it totally goes over people's heads that ancient civilizations had knowledge of mathematics, astronomy and mechanics.

>>6693147
thanks to Stargate

>>6693147
>Like it totally goes over people's heads that ancient civilizations had knowledge of mathematics, astronomy and mechanics.
Given to them by ALIENS BRO

>>6692317
Cool as fuck

>G maps
Holy shit what the fuck were they thinking, 3 months in i've basicly discovered nothing and now a huge new area has opened up and im already at the hero limit, seriously what the fuck the game was not desgined to be played on this scale!

>>6692317
>That fucking kitchen aid
lel

do they still make homms

for me is Gambit

>>6696647
6 was 2011
7 was 2015
so unless they dont care about the last couple failures and are really taking their time this round, I doubt

>>6696960
>7 was 2015
Bro

>>6695630
just wait till you play a G map with underground

>>6697510
anon, that IS a G map with underground.

>>6697667
*well then*

>>6688663
>my shitty generic demon guy has as much chance to get destruction magic (which i dont want) as logistics (which i want)
Actually no

>>6698825
elaborate

>>6699370
Each perk have different chance to be proposed to different classes

>>6696960
Hopefully ubi will stop completely and sell the license to someone competent.
Make Enroth great again.

>>6699525
all factions share 1 class in heroes 5 and thats what im complaining about

>>6700031
>all factions share 1 class in heroes 5
Yeah but each perk have different chances to get.
>and thats what im complaining about
But HoMM3 had only 2 classes for all factions.

>>6699968
>Hopefully ubi will stop completely
Dude they just announced new mobile game

>>6700123
Wdym? All classes have different primary stat growth chances and different secondary skill learn chances in 3.

>>6700218
I mean that introducing "every faction now have 1 melee class and 1 caster calss" NWC made them nearly identical to each other.
There is no significant difference between cleric or warlock

>>6696898
For me it's Barren Lands, every game there feels like a different adventure.

Gambit's good too though.

>>6700281
see the damn problem, everyone in h5 is too diffrent and too identical at the same time, cant have a main hero from another faction since they all rely on some building for their unique ability to properly function YET all heroes from one from your class have the same chance to get each skill, so you have to luck out if you want to build a dark magic wizard

heroes 5.5 fixed it by adding back diffrent classess

>>6700448
>see the damn problem, everyone in h5 is too diffrent and too identical at the same time
But it's not the problem, because it's the best solution in series history
>cant have a main hero from another faction
Lolwut?

>>6693098
To anyone who feels like re-watching this movie, make sure you watch the extended edition. It makes some plot points significantly clearer.

>>6700339
I like how Barren Lands has a fair amount of lore but keeps quiet about it, leaving you to discover it yourself. Entering the Necromancer's island for the first time after months of exploring was pretty cool. Also finding hidden and vacant places like Mutare's prison. It took me forever to finish it though.

>>6695630
I'm also playing this rn, the key is to get boats and claim the outlying towns asap

>>6700743
read agian you pea brain, EVERY dungeon hero has the same chance to learn light magic, but if it had a class system i could pick an overlord for war machines or a warlock for sorcery

>cant have a main hero from another faction
becasue then you'd have a wasted skill slot, how often do you main with alchemists?

>>6702678
>but if it had a class system i could pick an overlord for war machines or a warlock for sorcery
And what stops warlock from building up into light magic? Which is pretty valueable btw
>becasue then you'd have a wasted skill slot,
You do realise that even native heroes not always use class skill? Hint: pick strongly related

>>6701701
How long does it take to get through one of those G maps? In in-game time and real time?

>>6703120
having to rely on rng is shit, no reason not to have may extra clasess, im sure this guy you posted is better in the 5.5 because the classess are more fleshed out unique and balanced plus his gimick is just a lil poison sometime and he gets -1 slots, weak

>>6703549
>having to rely on rng is shit,
random and fishing skills was a thing in III game as well, so bitching about fishing them in V is a bit pointless.
>plus his gimick is just a lil poison sometime
Anon...

It's been a while since I've checked HOMM3
Any new towns in hota beside Pirate Cove? I was hoping for Katedra to show

>>6704265

>>6704434
lol

>>6704265
http://www.heroes3towns.com/?town=cathedral&page=units
Amazing, I wasn't even aware this thing existed. From what I was able to gather, this town is currently "suspended" and put on hold indefinitely, none of the content has been released so far. Looks cool even though one might say it's just a reskin for the Castle. Reminds me somewhat of the Empire faction from Disciples 2, which is always a good thing and now that I think of it, a town representing the Humanists cult from homm - an evil human faction - would be incredible, and that's the vibe I'm getting here. Hoping they release it some day, even unfinished it seems somewhat more appealing than Cove/Factory imo.

>>6704434
comf

>>6704136
you could manage it by chosing a spesific hero type from your faction

>>6704494
way better than any e*ypt faction could ever be

>>6704632
>you could manage it by chosing a spesific hero type from your faction
Yeah and you will end up with pic->>6700448
Where Gatekeeper identical to Warlock and Sorcerer identical to wizard/necromancer, except of daemon summoning
But we moved a bit from original discussion a guy I've posted doesn't rely on class perk at all, yet still can be built into one of the top-heroes

>>6699968
>Hopefully ubi will stop completely
Mobile game
>sell the license to someone
They are making money on just having HoMM rights, so why should they?

>>6704685
It's pretty starnge to be honest

>>6704632
>way better than any e*ypt faction could ever be
both are good, the more, the merrier

>>6704685
>Mobile game
Waifu edition

So I just played Bay of Broken Ships. A neat map, but when I crossed the sea and tried to take one of the AI towns early on, one of their heroes with 150 (!) liches assaulted my main and proceeded to kick his ass on month 2 week 1. I looked the map up on the map editor, but couldn't find where they got those liches. Yes, the AI's part of the map has 2/3 pieces of the Cloak of the Balanced King, but the last piece doesn't exist in that map since there's no random artifacts anywhere.
I had to load an earlier save to avoid that hero and go on the offensive from the other side of the map to eventually win through flagging all dwellings . It just left me very, very confused.

>>6704753
Artifact Merchants?

>>6704791
There's none on the map.
The AI must've got the amulet off one of the corpses on its part of the map. There's five total, but I got to two of them before it did. That, or out of the warrior's tomb. Either way we're talking literal one out of hundrer chance here.

>>6704814
According to the wiki, Corpses give 20% of minor or treasure artifact.
You can check the percentage in the map editor too.
Artifacts can be found in these map objects:
Crypt
Derelict Ship
Dragon Utopia
Sea Chest
Shipwreck Survivor
Treasure Chest
Wagon
Warrior's Tomb

>>6704895
>Corpses give 20% of minor or treasure artifact.
wtf ? since when?

>>6704950
The wiki says it's 20% of random treasure/minor artifacts.
The second link also mention it gives 20% of random major artifacts.
I don't have the game installed at the moment so I can't check it.
You can check it in the map editor.
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Corpse
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes3/maptreasure.shtml

>>6704814
necklace of the undertaker can spawn as a starting bonus

is it ok to cop homm3 on steam or does the review that say to buy the gog one tell the truth, i had it as a box back in the day but sold it on ebay when i moved

>>6705360
buy gog. HD mod > HD remake faggotry

>>6705360
The Steam/HD version doesn't include the expansions, so it's significantly inferior to the Complete one.

>>6700448
>heroes 5.5
>nerfed upgrades
>most retarded features from VI like universal town portal and towns conversion

>>6705360
Read the OP pastebin, links are inside

>>6704494
>evil human faction
How utterly glib

>>6706434
but anon, specicide is evil, not to mention it was condemned as an inter-realm atrocity by the High Court of Erathia in 1162 A.S. Humanists are the bad guys here, you understand that, right?...right?!

how come no indie devs have done ripoffs of homm like they do for every other classic game with a cult following? why isn't steam spammed with "hommlikes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkKy4yqpIWM

Dad?

>>6707523
gimme 7 years and some successes behind my back

>>6695539

kekw

>>6704730

Oh my! Everyone is saying terrible things about you and your friends, OP. I'm afraid I can't speak to someone with your vile reputation.

>Beg
>Threat
>Bribe 50 Gold

>>6650182
What is that mod ? Looks pretty cool

>>6700138
It's not real if I don't open my eyes

>>6706434
Unlike most other races humans of Enroth can be either good or evil, e.g. Cult of Baa

>>6650182
See ya, cheapskate!

>>6662316
>multiculturalism bad

>>6709974
>yes

>>6709953
dios mio...

>>6666842
not if you have non-magical party

>>6667669

>>6709930
Whatever became of the spider? Did we ever find out?

>>6650182

>>6710435
never, because the ancients are replaced by dragon gods.

>>6710670
penises were replaced by dragon dildos

Will HOMM3 work on Linux? What do I use since it's not a DOS game? If not, how about HOMM2?