/vr/ - Retro Games

>>655120

>>655120
>playing Samsara

>>655136
How bad is it?

>>655139
Not bad at all.
>>655136
What's wrong with samsara?
inb4shitstorm

>>655136
Report and ignore.

>>655127
>That hand
made you look bro

Simple Question
Already finished Ultimate Doom on UV, but i want to give a try to Plutonia and TNT, which one i should start to play?

>>655136
>Thinking than i play Samsara

>>655151
pic related
>>655157
I prefer Plutonia, but frankly I feel like megawads are the best path assuming you've beaten 2.

>>655157
TNT and Plutonia are alternative versions of what happens after Doom 2 (if I'm not mistaken) but TNT is usually easier.

Also, that's the alien from Space Balls, not the doom imp.

>>655127
>upon realization that hand looks like a penis.

>>655157
>posts a picture clearly taken with Samsara
>Thinking than [sic] i play Samsara
Okay.
>>655139
>>655146
Pretty bad. It does nothing to fancy up the old characters or make them more accessible, so you have to fucking research them all or magically know how they play in order to make any sense of them. For example the Bungie dude basically plays like a fucking bathtub on wheels with shitty handling and shitty bullets but won't be changed because "hurrrrr that's not how marathon was hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr". Because all of the characters are so retro and from shit that isn't Doom everything looks ugly as shit. The explosive shotgun Duke has is a fucking joke, it's just a few particles and an additive fireball. Are you kidding? Oh and everyone but Doom is worthless because Doom is the only one apparently allowed to do damage worth a shit and everyone else lags behind like a fucking tailgater while he just goes ssg ssg ssg ssg on everything.

In before I get reported by someone who doesn't agree with me.

>>655161
>>655168
(shit i thinked it was a imp)

I will start with Plutonia... let's see what happen

>>655176
>Not realizing than i could probably download the picture from older threads, and just add a name

>>655185
Well woopsie on that, then. I thought you made it. Sage for derp

>>655176
That's... the point. The entire point of samsara is to portray them as accurately as possible, while still being roughly even with one another.
And there's an entire tip screen you can use so you don't have to research a damn thing.

Also, SSG is doomguy's big trait. It's not much when you consider that Hexenguy can move faster than anyone, resist 1/4th explosion damage, pick up and store healing. Marathon guy can fly across entire maps, and quakeguy's quaddamage completely crushes the SSG. It's actually incredibly balanced for what it is, which you can tell when you consider so many people arguing about which classes are better.

So I'm dumb, but how does one use hud wads with other wads?

Any one w-wanna play?

>>655214
Q: I know how to launch GZDoom/Zandronum and change games, but how do I load these new wads / PK3s I have?
A: Drag them on to the executable or use ZDL.
from the FAQ
4chains thinks post is spam if I include extra links so look in the FAQ for 'em

>>655214
Put the huds in your skins folder.
Everything in skins is autoloaded, not just skins. So you can put in huds, music, new sounds, new sprites, whatever.

>>655236
I did that, but that only allowed me to do one wad.

>>655237
Ah, thanks.

>>655249
You didn't try ZDL, did you?
Also, you need to ctrl+click on the next wad you want to load (select them as well), then drag them.

>>655260
I guess I didn't, my bad.

>dragging and dropping wads onto zdoom
>not launching the game from shell
>2013

For the love of god I can't figure out how to get the HUD to work. I've looked everywhere and even downloaded an alternate hud. Even checked console to make sure it was enabled but nothing's there. I can see the crosshair by not my ammo or health.

Any good 3D source ports?

>>655314
Press -

>>655314
try using + and - keys to zoom your hud in and out to see if it appears

some people that make huds are too retarded to make sure at least something shows up at common zoom levels (I'm looking at you, WDI)

>>655320
No, all of the good source ports are 2d. Doom plays like a tower defense game in them.

>>655320
Other than GZdoom, dunno. All I know is all the attempts to make 3D model versions of monsters/things from Doom have usually ended up with shitty results.

>>655323
There does it. Thanks anon. Perhaps we should update the Pastebin FAQ. No idea how I missed this...

>>655337
I'm dumb and didn't add non-fullscreen hud support.

>>655326
Hey, there's an idea. Doom TD with the weapons as towers.

;_;

>>655157
>filename
>not SPACEBALLS THE REACTION IMAGE

>>655212
chexwarrior has the strongest defense of them all, which is why the last player surviving is ALWAYS a chexwarrior

Speakin' of Samsara, is one of the guys who's workin' on it around? I'm working on a little project for Samsara myself, and had a question about something, and I know the devs occasionally stop by these threads.

>>655551

Yo, Terminus here. What's up?

>>655609
What is the "DoomHellNoble" damage type used for? I looked through some of the player classes to see if it was used as some damage modifier, but didn't see anything immediately obvious in that end. Is there something know beforehand about this before I use this damage type for another monster's fireball (who's attack is similar to a Hell Nobles')?

>>655676
...And not even minutes after my post, I find it under the Chex guy's playerclass. Herpaderp, nevermind me.

>>655609
>as you take damage you'll begin to look like raw hamburger--as shown to the left

Guys have a question what is the best source port od wolfenstein 3d?

I heard that the mac version had the best graphics wise but not sure how i would obtain this version supposedly it's also available on the 3do as well

>>655686
>>655676

Actually, it's not for Chex!
The short of the matter is that Marathon used different color flashes for different sources of damage, reflecting what had hit them. So I had to slap a unique damage type on pretty much everything and give it a different damage flash. The Hell Nobles' fireballs result in a green painflash, for example.

Chexguy and Dukeguy all have the entire list of damagetypes in their resistances/weaknesses, especially, and Marathonguy has different painstates for all of them.

>>655713
zsnes

>>655713
To add to this, whats the best way to play Wolf3D these days in general?

Do not say DOSbox.

>>655783
Actual DOS.

>>655713
>>655783
ECWolf. It's ZDoom for Wolf3D, more or less.

>>655758
Hooboy, okay. This is gonna get a lot more complicated than I thought then. Might end up fudging a few things since I don't want to actually modify any of the playerclasses for the thing I'm working on.

Also, dem names for the different flavors of Marathon-guy pain.

>>655789
Son don't make me get my belt.

>>655713
>>655783
what's an FAQ?
Q: What about Wolf3D? How do I play that on a modern machine?
A: We gotcha covered. Your options are
1. Download the Wolfenstein 3D TC for ZDoom
http://zdoom.org/wiki/Wolfenstein_3D_TC
2. Download ECWolf and the original game
http://maniacsvault.net/ecwolf/

>>655792
Does Blowjob Blazkowicz have that retarded looking face by default? I want the visuals to be as accurate to original as possible, just something that has flexible resolutions and control remapping ability.

and, you know, runs on windows 7

>>655792
>fire chaingun

>the barrel doesn't spin and clips in a very obvious manner

I just can't handle it.

>>655816
BJ always looks like he is chewing the hardest gum known to man, but that image is an "enhanced" version

>>655802
Okay, actually it might not be so bad. If I'm understanding correctly, all Chexguy/Douk do is take all those damage values and slap a fairly global modifier on them (0.8/1.1 respectively); it's just that Marathon guy takes the individual damage types and associates them with a different flavor of screen color. Only question now is over explosive damage, but it looks like that's just meant to default to yellow to say "hey bro, you're takin' splash damage yo" or something to that effect.

>>655816
That's just the tech demo that's included with ECWolf to show off the modding capabilities. It looks just like the DOS original without it.

>>655792
>get this

>every time you use the Use function theres a burst of static

why gob

why

>>655859

Aye, correct! For the most part, everyone takes the same amount of damage from every source, except for Chexguy's global 20% resistance and Duke's global 10% weakness. The point of the damagetypes is to put different effects on the player.
For example, MarathonFusion is the only thing Invulnerability doesn't protect from, and Fire/Slime/WolfenFlame/MarathonPlasma/etc makes Ranger yelp loudly, and the different damagetypes have different colorflashes for Marathonguy.
It's really a lot less complex than it all looks.

>http://www.mediafire.com/?n15f7ghpbc7mmtu
0.06b!
>Imps have been fixed. They no longer spam tens of thousands of trillions of illusions. This was incredibly obvious on Map 19: The Citadel. Goddamn impcages were impossible to clear.

Remember, the more bugs you find, the more I'll fix. Same with feedback, I guess.

>>655434

God dammit now I'm sad

Do you like birds?
Get on /vr/ is well hung!

>>655609
Out of curiosity, are there plans to add a new character eventually?

I know, balance issues and all, but it would make things a little more fresh

>>656621

Yup. We've got another character in mind that we're really excited about, but acquiring resources for the character has been a chore and a half.
We've been taking it slow, trying to figure out the best method for it, but progress is progress.

If you still have the nine-character silhouette and/or remember my hints from the ZDoom forum, you may be able to guess who it is.

>>656672
I've only been following the Zandronum thread for some reason

Either way though, I believe it's going to be somebody from a popular 90's shooter. Which one is another question entirely until I find these hints

How is Cyberrunner anyway

>>656672
Strifeguy?

Get in the hangman server faggots

>>656672
...Does Kyle Katarn even have player sprites anyway?

>>656724

>>656729
Not sure if agitated, amused by my fail or afraid.

>>656724

>>656732
Let's put it this way: My dick is rock solid.

>>656724
>Just Googled his name
>Result was Star Wars Dark Forces

Shit, I haven't played this game. Is it worth checking out and does it have mouselook

BURL TUMD should definitely add a dual pistols weapon.

>>655609

O hai Terminus

you should let me help you with your ACS someday, I know a trick or two!

>>656787
I played it when I was younger; it's one of the few Star Wars games to not have Jedi as a plot element.. You get to shank giant lizards to death, blow up Imperial killer robots, steal the Death Star plans, and generally kick ass without relying on hokey religions and ancient weapons. If that sounds like fun to you, go ahead.

>>656824
Just beware of cliffs and hostile blenders (it makes sense in game).

>>656804
I'd like this. Who devs it anyways?

>>656828
Finally, while I fail to recall if it uses mouselook, it has vertical looking(I think by page up and page down) and mouse support(for at least turning.) IIRC, vertical look went to max angle fast and returned on button release.

Pic is of the imperial blender I mentioned. MEAN buggers with a stubborn streak..

Be cool and join the who dun it public vanilla server!

>>656961

>cool
>public

okay then. Good luck with that.

You have 10 seconds to post a more unsettling and eerie representation of Hell that can beat the one from Action Doom

Hard mode: No IWADs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=RNvZiirHCXw

>Dem floating bodies

>>657158
Man that music is good. I've never played action doom, feel like I've been missing out.

whats the new york password?

>>656961
>public

Yeah, no, even playing with fellow /vr/troopers I get mad about the team damage

>>657382
Seriously, for how cool it seems, WDI is broken as fucktits.

I have added many new games to the torrent (it may not lookit, but it feels like a lot for me). I have added Bad Toys 3D, Alien Trilogy, In Pursuit Of Greed, Necrodome,Tek War, Doom 64, Harmony .wad , switched dos executables to sourceport executables for Shadow Warrior, added Setup Help.txt to every damned game so far, and am having difficulties with playstation (Disruptor, PO'ed) and 3DO (Immercinary) games. I may just include their files in the torrent for those of you with more experience with console emulation, because I am lost in the dust! Then again, I may just continue trying until I get em running after I complete the "easy stuff".

I've found someone online who is selling the doom comic. I am going to offer him fifty dollars for it. Wish me luck

>>657398
Just so y'know, we (I, anyway) appreciate the work you're doing.

On the off-chance there's anything we can do, holla, besides seeding the shit when it's a thing.

>>657382
>>657390
If you couldn't hurt your teamates, then it would be the easiest shit in the world to determine whodunit!

>>655176
But... your assessment is completely wrong.

Every character is powerful as fuck. I get my ass handed to me by Marathon guy all the time.

Samsara is fucking awesome you dirtbag.

>>655176
I'd report you but last I checked being a giant faggot with shitty opinions isn't actually against the rules.

I'm not even a huge fan, but I seriously don't understand people who hate Samsara. It's a fucking free mod that brings together fairly faithful recreations of every (almost every) major 90's shooter character.

Also, wtf, doomguy isn't ever called that OP, what mod have you been playing?

So, I figure that the main thing that's been done with doomkart is that it's basically just a chasecam with a cool sprite.
what I figure is the logical next step is to lock horizontal mouselook, so that you can look around in 1st person, but you can't actually move yourself with it.
Any ideas about how that would be done in DECORATE?

>>657485
>>657470
Not that guy, but you could at least TRY to not be so obvious a samefag.

>>657502
>Any ideas about how that would be done in DECORATE?

The short of the matter is that it couldn't. You'd need ACS.

>>657519
I thought ACS was more for scripting events and such.
Anyway, we've decided that mouselook turning would more or less make it far too simplistic, and to make it more like kart racers in general would require several fixed camera angles. At this point, for the sake of Doom-y control, I'd really prefer the different sprites instead of voxel model vehicles.

>>657456
Thank you, I am sure me and the other fellow anon working on the project wouldn't mind someone working on the console games if you can do it! Don't sweat it if you cannot, just be sure to tell me. I would appreciate seeding when its finished, but even if you don't I will seed as much as possible to keep these shooters alive and available!

Here's a doom artwork I saw just before, high def.

>>657583

And this is how it looks in the Doom palette...

Oh and by the way, I've been messing around with random pics again, hoping to get some good shit that could be used as a skybox for Doom, expect me to post the results in a couple of minutes

>>657567
>I thought ACS was more for scripting events and such.

Noooooooooooo no no no no no no no no no.
ACS is...a lot more than that.
A LOT more.

>>657618
Noice.

Speaking of the doom palette, how does an artist (if he wanted to put in an image of his own as a background in DOOM) set aside what the doom palette is?

So when he makes his image, he does not have to gamble with the fact the image might come out crap as it's converted?

/vr/ sucks at hangman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Ksf1Uvn1M

>>657629
Ugh, I have got alot to learn.

>>655074
>What's new?
>Business as usual
>implying
New samsara release
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo

Ok so here it is

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i5jicxx7esg5r3c/DoomSkies3.zip

39 random pics, picked straight from deviantArt. Most of them are sunset skies and mountains, which ALWAYS look so damn great in the Doom palette.

Posting examples as we speak

Gentlemen it's that time again, OLD MAN JENKINS IS AT IT AGAIN.

/vr/tual bois solve a murder mystery

Some of them will look better if you crop them, of course

This one is the best of them all

This one looks great too

Hellish themed mountains? Yeah, no prob

And there you go; you can find more pics in the zip >>657708, feel free to edit them as you wish

>very fatal error
>very fatal error
>very fatal error
>very fatal error
>very fatal error
>very fatal error
>very fatal error

>>657567
>I thought ACS was more for scripting events and such.
Well, DECORATE isn't going to cut it.

>voxel model vehicles
Who said anything about voxels? Does anyone do those in doom? I mean I saw a tech demo of it once but I'd rather use 3d models.

>>657676
>new Samsara release

Do go on

>>657835
Quake guy is now more quake-y, and doomguy is more doomy.

>>657824
I thought that the current actual vehicles in some mods were made with voxels.
Either way, the way that it works now seems better suited for it.

>>657838

>more doomy

ELABORATE

Question: When I'm running an outdated version of the WAD on a server, what do I do to fix it?

>>655145
would be a better gif if it was hr map24

>>657881
update to a non-outdated wad.

Whats everyones thoughts on Eternal Doom?

I find it to be pretty fantastic, personally. Sverre Kvernmo, Chris Couler, Adam Landefield, Jim Flynn and Bon Evans maps were the best.

>>657952
Probably one of the only non-slaughter megawads where the maps, especially the later ones, can take you ages to complete.

Is there a reason the Mega Pack has a launcher for SMMP when it won't actually work without the skulltag shit? Not a big deal but still.

>>657860
Where get? Do want.

>>657952
I like that for once, it had a map30 that was an actual beast of a level, rather than just playing with the IoS concept and nothing else, like most megawads.

>>657975
Look for the voxel vehicle pack on the Zdoom forums. Basically a grab-bag of different voxel vehicles you can chuck on any map. They look better than models and sector-based vehicles.

>>657985
Now im reminded of AV's map30. It was basically just an IoS remake, but requiring you to hit the switch every time to get the lift down. One of the most disappointing Map30's ever.

>>657992
Aw damn, wrong reply; was aimed at >>657824 >>657838

>>655505
I figured it would be Wolfenstien, with his extra lives get up, after all.

Wolfenstein New Order actually might be good, if what the interviews are implying. Action-Adventure FPS is actually something I've been wanting for a while.

I'm also kinda glad id isn't working on it. They stopped being a great game developer by the 00's. They should just focus on making Engines, and license their IPs to other developers.

Why are there so few Doom servers on Zandronum? Shame that the game isn't played by more players.

>somehow find myself on doom wiki
>end up reading random shit for 2 hours
>get an urge to play doom beyond the first two levels
this is surprisingly spooky

Bumping with a silly skin I made; I took the mariachi sprites from that one LMS wad and I assigned it some pain, death and taunt sounds

Here it is

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9y9hzcjy4q5mz6w/MexicanMariachi.wad

>>658539
As soon as I saw that, this popped into my head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOJreyDEqqY

Thread sure if active today

>>657158
PSX's Doom.

Dem skyboxes
Dat music
And on top of that, you can't see shit

What's the best single player wad you've played?

Mine has to be Vanguard I guess

>>658712
Eternal Doom gets my vote

The puzzles/switch hunts may not be everyone, but I sure as hell enjoyed it.

>>658775
be for everyone*

>>657401
Holy shit, it's worth that much?

I've got the whole id Anthology sitting in mint condition in my parents loft and as much as I enjoy owning it it's hardly something I'm going to NEED any time soon. Might be time to get it on ebay.

>>657398
I dunno if you're still having issues with console emulation, but the /vg/ emulation general has a wiki.

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Emulation_General_Wiki

>>657642
Some image editors support custom palettes. You could probably find (or make) the doom palette for them.

>>658818
You'd actually sell something like that...? Also, no. It's worth a bit less than $50, I'd say $30 (Australian)

>>658775
Okay I'm trying it. Seems only okay so far.

In the 2nd level I sequenced breaked unintenionnaly. There was an elevator locked by a card behind and nowhere else to go, so I jumped (not actually using the jump key, simply by running fast towards it) right on the invisible floor in front of the 2nd window, and apparently I reached a palce I wasn't supposed to reach yet. Anybody remembers what is the normal way to beat this level?

>>657835
>>657863
Have you actually checked the forum or github?
http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=200
Released yesterday, shitload of stuff. Melee-only mode is fun as baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllls.

>>655145
do you know which wad/map this is? i don't recognise it

>>659645
It's an Oblige creation.

>>659395
Is it time for Melee only LMS?

>>658314
Doom was never a really popular game on the engine. All the popularity has always been to Strife. All the Strife servers get a bit tiring after a while though. Has anyone even made any good PWADs for Doom ever? Maybe modding it will take off one day.

>>659851
Yeah, I know how you feel, mang. Everything's all about Strife. I think I got OBLIGE working with doom, once, though it was made with strife in mind.

>>659851
>>659873
Is it even possible to mod Doom? I mean, Strife modding has its quirks but Doom is such an incredibly different game, it doesn't even seem like it'd be possible to replace a weapon without breaking half the game.

>>659916
>>659873
>>659851
lol

>>659873
Eh, it's not that hard to do. You just have to subtract all the NPC's and do a single level.

>>657518
Right, because your opinions are obviously factual and not based in any bullshit bias.

go away

wot
>>656916

are we being invaded from outside sources

>>659395
>Download link for Zdoom pk3 isn't working

help

>>660538
The DRDTeam hosting service is moving their servers, so the site is down.

What's the difference between pk3 and pk7?

>>660580
pk4

>>660581

Hilarious.

>>660580

pk3 is more sizeable but easier to tweak in Slade 3.
pk7 saves a LOT on space and size but has to be opened with 7zip.

>>660586

Got it, thanks.

>>660580
pk3 is a .zip
pk7 is a .7z

>>660367
>because your opinions are obviously factual and not based in any bullshit bias.
I have no opinion on Samsara. Haven't played it, don't care to.
You know how easy those are to fake, right?
And two posts reviving a conversation from half a day before, exact same writing style, within five minutes of each other...

And now defending himself by attacking others.

>>660607
>lel

This has gone beyond ironic shitposting.

>>660581

doomkart

>>660616
>616
>666x666
IT IS TRULY THE END OF DAYS

>fighting over Samsara
Oh boy oh boy I'm not too late to say Parias is metal tier am I?

>>660610
>>>/v/

>>660603
You know it's entirely possible for the first reply to catch someone else's attention?

>fighting over Samsara
oh boy oh boy I'm not too late to rant about how Parias is metal tier am I?

>>660631
You are, a little.

But Parias is indeed metal tier. Which is above god tier. It's awesome.

>>660610

I tried doing the melee-only mode, but when I entering samsara_punchdrunk 1, it said it was an invalid command

>>660620
>posting reaction images of ironic reddit shit
>GB2/v/

No anon, you are the /v/irgin.

>>660616
>>660640

http://archive.foolz.us/vr/search/image/HzJCby37NT9aNh-5qkk92A/

Stop it

>>660616
Once I figure out how to
A. Make a toggle for different chasecams
B. Lock mouselook so that you can look around with it in 1st person but can't move the car
there may be hope that it can be lifted from the ashes of total unmitigated faggotry.
I even recolored the health bonuses, maybe for different possible effects.

>>660616
YEAAAAH!

>>660640
>S-s-s-s-stop posting things I don't like :((((((

At least I didn't post "CHECK UR PRIVILEGE" bullshit.

>>660641
Let me guess, you're using ZDoom?

>>660652
Doesn't work on Zdoom, huh?

Damn, I wanted to run around punching everything

>>660654

It does, it's just a little roundabout.
At the main menu screen, before you enter the game, hit tilde.
Type:

set samsara_punchdrunk 1
set samsara_uniquestart 4
set samsara_chainsawstart 1

Then hit New Game, select your char of choice, etc.
ZDoom doesn't handle multiplayer stuff well, so you have to manually set the multiplayer cvars.

>>660659
while you're at it, "set samsara_nohealthcap 1" for even more fun

>>660649
>waaah stop telling us not to shitpost!

>>660659
Thanks

>>660509
No, just by idiots who cannot into reading.

>>660659
>Terminus comes on /vr/ and says "hey, anyone wanna test a stupid mode?"
>melee-only server
>we play through Doom 2 on ultraviolence
>win without any casualties
>jump into the icon of sin's head and punch John Romero to death
>restart on nightmare
>win again, kill the icon two more times
Easily the most fun I've had in Doom for a while.

>>660682
We should really do it again

>>660665
>samsara_nohealthcap 1

COME TO PAPA.

>>660642
Why are you doing that faggots work for him?

>>660696
because believe it or not people want DoomKart like so bad because it's an awesome idea. That other guy can go fuck himself.

HOLY SHIT

MY FEET FUCKING EXPLODE WHENEVER I KICK

>>660642
You should turn sprite billboarding off too. So when the camera is at the proper angle the karts line up with the road properly

BEGONE, HEATHEN

GO TO HEAVEN, FUCKER

>>660721
>>660725


I've always pictured those arms as a cool effect whenever you pickup a Berserk pack; someone should do that with some Doom-ish roided arms, it would be great

Also, messing around with SLADE and colour remapping can be fun at times

>>660737
The arms happen in Russian Overkill.

I know this has probably been asked before but why aren't you guys in /vg/? Genuinely curious here considering how popular these threads seem to be and how it could only benefit from the higher bump limit.

>>660748
Please refer to the FAQ, it's in there.

>>660748
>i posted it again mommy look!!!

>>660748
it's a disgrace to be sent to /vg/
/vg/ kills video games

>>660748
Please read the OP
The post limit would be the only upside. Traffic would die.

>>660748
Doom being retro takes precedence over the threads being generals, so they go on /vr/.

>>660759
>people can't ask questions

Stop being a faggot. Either answer the question or ignore it.

There should be more videos like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EifAWVDLrk

WHO'S A PRIEST AND A HALF

I'M A PRIEST AND A HALF

RAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Oh. Oh dear.

Oh FUCK it's locked.

>>660772
Except it's been asked literally every thread

So, what do I do now, /vr/?

>>660775
This is so bad but so great.

>>660795
grab popcorn

>>660795
It looks like you caused a problem.
You may have to fix it.

With your hands.

>>660795
rip and tear!

What are you guy's opinion on Brutal DooM?

Is it really the natural evolution of DooM or is it just the modern pop-culture understanding of it that completely misses what actually makes DooM so unique even to this day?

>>660795

The answer is obvious.
Punch. EVERYBODY.

>>660795
i don't see why you're not in the fray already. you should be ashamed of yourself.

>>660821
it's alright

>>660828
>>660813
>>660812

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

REST

IN

PEACE

>>660852
yeah! y-y-y-y-y-y-y-yeah!

>>660852

OH MY FUCK DID YOU ACTUALLY PUNCHED THE ROCKET?

JESUS CHRIST

>>660862
SHIT NIGGA
I THINK HE DID

So... who usually wins in a fight, a Baron of Hell or an Arch-Vile?

>>660721
>>660725
>>660779
>>660780
>>660782

How do I make this happen?
Sorry if I missed something.

So, recently updated my sourceports and loaders, and decided to play WhoDunIt. It worked for a good bit, but my graphics were not preferable for mouselook, so I switched the resolution size and made Zandronum run on hardware. The walls disappeared or were replaced with some oddly fashionable wall textures, so I restarted Zandronum to re-enter. I then tried to rejoin, and got pic related. I deleted my WhoDunIt wads + map wads, and re-downloaded from Doomseeker, and restarted. Same problem, pic related. I tried running different servers (Sur/vr/ival), and it worked fine, so I retried WhoDunIt again, and same story, pic related.

What should I do next?

>>660918
Arch-Vile.

>>660580
pk3 is just a zip file renamed.
pk7 is just a 7z file renamed.
7z/pk7 has better compression so if your mod is large you might want to look into using it.

>>660964
What pic?

Also, what video card do you have? Is it integrated intel crap? Do you have the drivers up-to-date?

>>660964
>walls disappeared or were replaced with some oddly fashionable wall textures
Why not.

>>660918
>baron of hell hits the arch-vile
>archie then attacks the baron
>they begin fighting
>archie kills the baron
>resurrects him.

>>661002
The best thing ever is summoning a teammate arch-vile (summonfriend archvile) and then all the monsters it resurrects become your teammates too.

>>660995
Sorry about that, must've forgot.

>>660954
See
>>660659

Holy fucking shit, this is insane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wObTVUluCEQ

>>661054
I don't have samsara.

>>660716
I'm not entirely sure what that entails.

Am I the only one who prefers the low-fi MIDI versions of Doom songs to people trying to do serious, actual-instruments Metal covers of them?

The latter just seems to lack variety the variety the MIDIs provide, somehow.

Is there any way to make BFG tracers visible?

>>661074
Why is everyone a better Doom player than me? I would have never been able to replicate this video even with endless invulnerability.

>>661090
Aren't they hitscans? Hitscans don't exist in transit like projectiles. Their end position is immediately calculated.

Well, maybe with some source hacking you could make them work like railgun shots, which I'm pretty sure are special hitscans that spawn particles along their path.

>>660762
>moot
>using tripcode
>not using capcode
lolno

>>661083
I very much prefer that! It actually gives off a much more appropriate feel.
That, and I personally do not like high quality guitar sound capable today. I likem gritty, and fuzzy.

however, I am pretty sure that the songs in Doom were recorded with actual instruments

>>661128
They probably were,

>>661128
>actual instruments
Aren't the songs in Doom midi?

>>661132
He does use both often.

>>661149
Fuck, accidentally sent that early. They probably were originally, but that doesn't really matter.

Although I will admit, I can't really headbang to MIDIs.

>>661154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a7-5WYOKxE

>>661154
I believe that would hinder your ability to play the game if you were to headbang to MIDI.

I never really did see the appeal of headbanging either. It seems pretty stupid in my opinion, similar to how stupid I think it is for a person to bob their head when listening to hip-hop.

Also, this has been bugging me for awhile. Do you have to see your enemies for the BFG to be effective? Can you blind fire around corners and clear a hallway? I don't know why I believe this, but it is pretty prominent in my decision to use the weapon.

>>661163
...Anon, how did you know I have a profound love for floppy-drive music? Thank you.

>>661187
>I never really did see the appeal of headbanging either. It seems pretty stupid in my opinion, similar to how stupid I think it is for a person to bob their head when listening to hip-hop.
That's just your opinion then, mate.

>>661187
Basically, the BFG is a big bad projectile cannon. When the projectile hits, it does damage, nothing special.

But then it shoots magic BFG hitscan lasers from your eyes to hurt/kill anything in your view. You have to see them.

>>661195
>It seems pretty stupid in my opinion
Obviously.

>>661198
I'd actually been wondering about this for ages too. Thanks!

>>661187
>Do you have to see your enemies for the BFG to be effective?
Yes.
>Can you blind fire around corners and clear a hallway?
No.

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/BFG9000

>>661198
Note that the 40 invisible BFG hitscan tracers that are fired from the player are fired in the direction the player was facing when he fired the gun. If you fire the gun facing North, and then turn to look South, when the BFG ball hits, all the hitscans will still be shot North from the player's location.

Fun thing with the BFG in multiplayer is to shoot it far in the distance, and then run into a busy hallway the moment before it hits to instantly fry everyone in the hallway before they can react.

>>660839
>>660852

Woah woah woah hold the fuck up

Since when does Parias use the fighter's gauntlet?

>>661226
Since Samsara.

>>661229

Well I know that but last time I checked he uses his mace.

Was there an update recently?

>>661239
Yes. Just yesterday, in fact. New melee-only mode, the Gauntlet is his new weapon for it.

>>661303

Groovy. Too bad I can't download it because the fucking download is borked

>>661305
>because the fucking download is borked.
WORKS FOR ME, BRA
It's uploaded to BE in case your net is being mexican, though.

http://static.best-ever.org/wads/samsara-v0.29b.pk3

>>661309

I love you and /vr/ sometimes.

Well fuck, typing in samsara_punchdrunk 1 isn't working for me

>>660659
read
>>661327

>>661338

OH I HAVE TO FUCKING TYPE SET

God damn it

That feel when Game Center CX will never have a Doom episode.

>>661354
i think the GCCX staff are considering it

>>661354
I don't know what that is so this is my feel for it.

>>661370

Damn son. Go find the GCCX thread here on /vr/

To sum it up: Charming Japanese man plays games, isn't too great at them but his pure determination is what makes it so good. Also visits arcades and shit

>>661364

Has Arino EVER done a PC game?

>>661392

If he played Doom, it'd be the SNES one

>>661385
start with the Battletoads episode
>>661392
nope, because japanese cant into the PC market

>>661392
He almost played the SNES Doom, but the cart was broken or something.

>>661395
he'd have to have a foreign snes

>>661421
>Japanese man
>plays Japanese games

I'm pretty sure he has a foreign SNES.

>>661493
He probably meant a foreign to japan SNES.

>tfw when listening to Bobby Prince's Doom soundtracks in glorious FLAC

Jesus Christ this is decadent.

>>661508
There wasn't a Super Famicom version of Doom?
Anyways, it was during an American game special that he was going to play it in the first place

What's the best way to learn scripting for Doom?
Should I go with Decorate or ACS first?
Are there any better tutorials than the Zdoom wiki's?

>>661564
Decorate first.

>>661564

Nonono, start with Decorate first, you'll be blown away by starting with ACS

>>661564
Learn ACS first from trial and error. Don't follow some left-footed tutorial, make your own destiny!

Hey guys, I got Brutal Doom working with Samsara.

>>661602
but that's ketchup

I'm just now getting into Doom and I really have no idea what the best way to configure my controls would be.
I read through many FAQ's and tried googling information on this, but with no luck.
How do you guys have your controls set up? Most importantly, straffing, walking, mouse look and looking up / down.

Also, my boyfriend says I have a voice that sounds a whole lot like the Brutal Doom guy. So here's a sample of that.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1A89JoGNGm5

>>661572
>>661592
Okay, and should I start with http://zdoom.org/wiki/New_User%27s_Guide_to_editing_with_DECORATE

>>661638
Shit dude, you really do sound like him.

>>661309
wutdo?

>>661676
Those are all skulltag actors.
Load it in Zandronum.

>>661609

>but that's ketchup

Which version has blue & green blood, mines just a pure crimson sea.

>>661638
Personally, I have WASD- W and S for forward backward movement, A and D for left right strafing. Then I have mouselook and all that stuff turned on.

>>661685
GZDoom cannot run Samsara? What a shame.

>>660821
>natural evolution of Doom
No. Is it fun, hyper-violent and over-the-top FUCK YOURSELF enjoyable? Yes.

>>661720
Sure it can. I run it all the time.

>>661720
It can run the ZDoom version of Samsara.
It cannot run the Zandronum version of Samsara.
The Zandronum version is for Zandronum, the ZDoom version is for ZDoom.

>>661720
It can run Samsara.
But the wad you're loading is the Zandronum version

>nobody in a Samsara server on Zandronum
Truly, this is the end times

>>661760
This is the future, get with the times old man. It is all about Pokemon Doom.

>>661774
WHAT.

Alright, I'm back! Though I won't have long to work.

What else should I add? I'm not quite sure what else there is, any other bugs there are, features I need to add...

I'm tempted to start making maps for it, but I'm really bad at maps.

>>661774
b-but theres noone playing on ANY vr server

>>661804
Anyone want to set up the survival invasion server?
That shit's fun.

>>661835
Alt fire.

how do I aim down the sights in Brutal Doom? I've seen people do it in youtube videos. I thought it'd just be "weapon zoom" but that does nothing. I'm using the newest version of brutal doom by the way. Is it a mod or something that lets you do that?

MonsterMash has been updated. Introducing a new monster, and doing some minor fixes to others.

-Added Serpent Demon, replaces Mancubus (Sprites based on Magma Serpent from R667; behavior loosely inspired by the Swamp Dragon from Mordeth E1) (33%)
-Vore replacement removed from Mancubus; Arachnotron replacement rate increased to ~15%
-Fixed Vore taking reduced splash damage (leftover from porting from other mod)
-Fixed Shadow and Afrit using incorrect frames for pain animation

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5569625/MonsterMash.wad

Furthermore, I've created an alternate version designed for Samsara, so zorched monsters disappear correctly, Dook will taunt when he kills shit, and other Samsara niceties will work with the monstrosities. Currently only designed for & tested on the Zandronum version, though I don't imagine there'd be any real issue with using it in (G)Zdoom. Because Zandro's just slightly out-of-date compared to Zdoom, there are some minor changes:

-The Vore's projectile is slightly less "intelligent" when homing on the Z-axis.
-The Paladin no longer knocks back his target with the shield bash; damage is increased to compensate.
-The Paladin's grenade range is just slightly reduced to compensate for lack of lobbing at a distance.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5569625/MonsterMash%20Samsara029.wad

There might be some bugs (well... Bound to be, rather), so feel free to yell at me if you find anything that's fucked up.

>>661779

>>661837
Wow really? That's the last thing I'd thought it'd be. Thanks.

>>661839
THIS SHIT DOESN"T WORK HOLY FUCK

So I heard from an earlier thread about new Samsara. Was that an actual thing or was someone trolling?

>>661838
Ah yeah! I've been downloading these every time you release them.

Please don't stop. I don't have the knowledge to make these kinds of things, plus I like playing with other people's work.

>>661854
There's a new version released. Introduces some new melee game mode and a lot of "fun stuff."

Seriously, just check out the Zdoom forums to keep up with this stuff.

>>656898
Eric.

>>661867
Eric as in the Eric that's in our servers occasionally?

>>661858
Depends on whether there are monsters worth adding or not. I'm looking at a few more currently, though some of them will need a lot of work before they can be added to the bunch. After them though, it's kinda up in the air, though I can probably find a few more mods to add compatibility for in the meantime. 'Course, I also wanna get back to focusing on mapping at some point too.

Thanks for playing though. Hope you enjoy blowing 'em up with the Samsara heroes.

Hi, where do I go to bind the taunts and kick things in Brutal Doom? By the way, I'm retarded.

>>661876
yes that eric

>>661917
In the end of control remapping section in the settings. That's where custom wad binds are located.

>>661926
b-but. Are you sure?

>>661934
>windowed
>not glorious fullscreen
Yeah, it should be after the strife options.

>>661939
Why aren't they? What did I do wrong? I knew I'd fuck this up! I can't even use a doom mod properly!

>>661934
Scroll fucking down.

>>661952
Oh thanks. Well I gave you guys fair warning, I told you I'm retarded.

>>661945
Woah now, use your arrow keys to scroll down. If it isn't there, then who gives a fuck. Brutal dooms taunts suck a dick and a half, and the kick is useless.

but I think f is the default key for taunt?
Are you sure you are even running the mod in the first place?

>>661934

see >>661952

welp im pretty fucked, any ideas about how to pass this level?

Playing UV

Is there any particular reason on how Brutal Doom got very popular in the first place?

I know WHY it is popular - RIP AND TEAR, gore, and that many can relate the high amounts of damage done by each side to typical modern shooters amongst other things, but when Doom's modding community isn't as well known to the mainstream audience of gamers, the thread for it on the ZDoom forums has 382 pages, and practically every Doom thread made on /v/ is now centered around Brutal Doom, I just cannot help but wonder HOW it got big in the first place.

Even if it might bring in the casuals I suppose it does kind of help introduce new blood to custom Doom wads

>>661971

I think it was pretty much the gorefest, fatalities and the whole RIP AND TEAR parafernalia

I've always said that, if someone decides to pick up the gore and fatalities from BD and calls it BD Lite, it'll be downloaded as much as the original mod

I highly doubt anyone plays BD exclusively for the hi-res effects and or weaponry

>>661971
well probably because the voices and taunts, and the rip and tear, but for other things, i know there are better mods than brutal doom (which ones i dont have played, untill i finish TNT & Plutonia)

>>661839
>attacking Jigglypuff with a knife

You're doing God's work, son

>>661971

It's not just the gore, since it gets boring quickly. I thing that the gameplay itself is pleasureable enough for people that hasn't touched doom in years (like myself) to give it a try and re-ignite that passion for rocketing cacodemons in the butt.

>>661695
>>661695
this is the one true control scheme

it's a crime that gzdoom/zandronum/everything doesn't come like this by default

>>661971
I play it because of its high quality audio that gets the blood pumping and really makes me feel like I am in danger! Puts my ass on the playing field! That, paired with all of the explosions and increased speed of gameplay pace, make me like it!

>>661971
It's loud, fast-paced, violent, bright, and over the top. The screen rocks. The monsters scream and bleed out while clutching their wounds. You can flip shit off and use the most annoying sound byte ever.

It's like call of duty with a better setting: shut off your brain and just rip and tear.

>>661971
Well, it's got a spit-shine polish on top of the whole thing, and it's been around for a few years now. I figure it's pretty much word-of-mouth in combination with the gore and gameplay fitting perfectly with Doom that's gotten it to where it is now. That, and Mark's pretty good about keeping the ModDB page up-to-date.

Hell, you look on the 0.17 trailer, you see all these hits from "gaming news" outlets linking to the video. The whole project has gotten a ton of exposure for a Doom mod.

>>662013

>increased speed of gameplay pace

5/10, you were subtle

>>662010
also F for use, and space for jump

I was playing icon of party, and one of its tips tell you to "push space" to activate something. A) What the hell do the people that have space for use have set for jump, and B) does the Icon of Party developer not know that ACS can detect what key a user has bound for an action?

>>661971
also let's don't forget this...

Cyberdemon reaction it's pretty cool, i would like to see one with the spider mastermind

>>662010
They don't have it because Doom was shipped with arrow keys to move forward and turn.

>>662016
>tfw other, better mods like samsara or wdi will never get as popular as brutal doom

>>662037
WDI is kind of a one trick pony, but I see Samsara getting huge

>>662027
Considering how monsters move faster, attack more frequently, and often have splash damage added, it's arguably much faster than vanilla Doom at times since it punishes you far more for standing around. Fucking Cacodemons just love to sneak up on standing Doomguys and bite their asses out too.

>>662037
Wouldn't call them better - I get as much enjoyment out of Samsara, and don't care about WDI - just different. I feel like Samsara could hit a popularity wave if it starts incorporating more characters into the fold that people are familiar with. Though at the same time, I'd rather the devs keep their focus on maintaining balance and unique gameplay per character as a focus since they've done such a good job of it so far. We don't need more of those _lovely_ add-on characters happening again...

>>662049
Is Samsara playable in singleplayer?

>>662058
Yeah, there's a Zdoom version just for that. Though you lose some of the magic when you don't have that whole group of different characters running around together.

>>662062
This. Nothing beats running around as Douk and seeing Parias beating the shit out of something with a mace while Chex guy is zorching shit and BJ is gatling gunning Nazis at your side.

>>662035
Chocolate Doom (and dosbox) don't let me walk forward and strafe left at the same time when I have the original control scheme. But playing with WASD is better in my opinion anyway. Even in vanilla. Could also be my cheap keyboard.

>>662035
Doom also had a toggle key to strafe (causing even mouse movement to be strafe) and had , and . set to strafe if I remember right. All of that is balls retarded and I think we should quietly agree to pretend all of that was never like that to start with.

>>662049
WDI is really fun, but yeah it feels like there could be a little more to it. The secrets / keys / easter eggs on many maps for it add a bit for the regular players to do but I feel like there ought to be a little more they can do for themselves, but I don't know what that ought to be. I bet an "expansion pack" / WDI 2.0 with something added could be really kick-ass.

I haven't played Samsara much, but it really bothered me that Duke has some flimsy made-up shotgun that shoots explosions instead of having more actual Duke3d weapons. Where's the devastator and the ripper? (If they're in already, then I never got around to seeing them. Probably because that stupid made-up shotgun showed up early where one of them should be.)

>>662052
I'd like to see more characters myself. But what-er-ya-gonna-do. From what I gather they're fine with player modules that add new characters in. I'd urge whoever makes them though to balance them out. Waves of overpowered characters is what ruined MUGEN for me.

>>662096
Ripper is in, his regular pistol-pump shotgun is in, his handgun is in, his mighty foot is in, and the RPG. Those are all I found but to be honest I haven't had a chance to play much Samsara, servers aren't running too often

>>662096
>Duke has some flimsy made-up shotgun
>that stupid made-up shotgun
>made-up shotgun

9/10 actually getting mad.

>>662096
Development of WDI moved off to someone else, so we'll see what happens.

>>662096
The explosive shotgun is from Duke 64

>>662096
>he hasn't played Duke Nukem 64!
Blow it out your ass.

>>662096
>he hasn't played Duke Nukem 64!
Blow it out your ass.

>>662114
He's talking about the explosive shotgun.

Duke's riot shotgun is classic, but I'm not entirely sure I remember an explosive SPAZ-looking shotgun in Duke.

But at
>>662096

Duke has all of his weapons except the shrinker/grower.

Pipebomb is bound to 1, you just need to hit it twice to swap to it, otherwise you'll use the pistol.

The Devastator is in, its just a tier 7 weapon and lots of maps don't give them to you or they're hard to get.

>>662096
devastator is in. ripper is in. explosive shotgun is not made-up.

>>662138
>I'm not entirely sure I remember an explosive SPAZ-looking shotgun in Duke.

Hi.

>>662125
>>662136
Haaaaaaaaa.

>>662150
Yeah, I selected the wrong pic.

>>662125
grumble grumble duke nukem 64 is a thing? I only knew about duke nukem zero hour on the n64, which was forgettable, besides some of its multiplayer.

>>662169

It's a thing. Pictured are normal shells (red) and explosive shotgun shells (blue).
If that's what really bothered you about Samsara, then...I don't know what to tell you.

Speaking of Samsara, I thought it was cool on that the teleport beacons from Strife summon in enemies from whatever game your character is from. Doomguy for instance spawns Imps and Fred Chexter spawns in Flemoids.

>>662096
The 'made-up' shotgun is from Douk 64 and was apparently overpowered as fuck

It's meant to be his SSG equivalent but I do agree that it's flimsy to use. Too close and you damage yourself; given how you take 10% more damage and Megaspheres are only 50% effective this is something you cannot afford to do. Too far and the spread is too wide to do a bulk of damage. The sweet-spot is a bit too small.

Pipe Bombs are his chainsaw replacement and his jetpack to the Berserker pack. Speaking of which, wouldn't his Tripmines be better off if it tends to break maps?

>>662148
Yeah, I never played Duke 64.

Forgive me for my insolence, Duke.

>>662196
What does Mjolnir spawn in then?

>>662203
Chainsaw.

>>662186
Eh I was just annoyed because I played it as Duke, and everyone else has SSGs and chainguns and plasma rifles and rayguns and nailguns and all I had was the regular duke3d shotgun, a little explosive shotgun I had no ammo for, duke's pistol, and pipe bombs. The pipe bombs were kind of cool, but they would blow up in mid-air immediately if an enemy shot it. Was that a thing in Duke3d? I don't remember ever having that issue there.

>>662196
>and was apparently overpowered as fuck
It was. It fucking was. Ruined deathmatch throughout my entire childhood.

>>662213
> Was that a thing in Duke3d? I don't remember ever having that issue there
Yes.

>>662203
Chainsaw

Before 0.29 it was the Laser Gun from Quake's first mission pack that took the chainsaw slot, now it's promoted to his unique slot, which was formerly held by the Thunderbolt, which now is gotten alongside the Quad Damage.

But really, all of this can be known with the in-game tip box and pressing W to toggle to the weapon slot screen

>>662231
>>662209
I was referring to the enemy he creates in the teleport beacons in Strife.

Hey guys, the next character for Samsara is confirmed!

>>662245
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>662242
Also I said Mjolnir, not Ranger

>>662245
I thought it was going to be seriously if you don't want to spoil it don't read on Kyle Katarn

>>662245
>notice that he replaces hereticguy
i shall not fall for your ruse

>>662029
M2 for jump and Space is use? What else would you use for mouse?

>>662249
Grunts.

>>662260
Alt fire maybe?

>>662267
this

>>662259
His name is Parias you filthy unbeliever and he is true metal

Pic related, it's what his new ult should be

>>662273
>heretic
>parias
4/10 I bought it for a moment

>>662273
...Hereticguy is Corvus.

>>662273
>Parias
Nigga that's Hexen. Hereticguy is Corvus.

You know, the one no one cares about.

And no one would miss

>>662242
Well here's the list

Doomguy = Imps
Chexguy = Flemoids
Corvus = Golems
Parias = Afrits
BJ = Nazi Soldiers
Douk = Aliens
Security Officer = More aliens
Ranger = Zombie grunts

>>662260
Use the side buttons if you have them for quickly changing weapons, usually I bind Rocket Launchers on M5 and Sniping or Automatics on M4

>>662273
This just in: I'm retarded

>>662267
I use M3 (wheel click) for that.

>>662282
I use the wheel for changing weapons, I've never had more than three buttons.

/vr/ Scythe Cooperative BURL TUMD
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>>662282
Fun fact: It's not just the Strife beacon.
It's also the Dark Servant from Hexen that gets replaced.

Anyone know what the highest res model GZDoom can take is?

Dealing with a few games today, not too much because I have been having a lengthy leisure day :) .
Going to work on:
Eradicator
Ashes To Ashes
Zero Population Count
Killing Time
Maybe More

Other Anon working on the torrent, I would appreciate a progress report. Would also appreciate any games you feel should be in a different shooter wave! I feel like Quiver deserves Wave 3, and Mr. Pibb in Wave 2. I already setup Mr. Pibb, so you don't need to download it if you haven't, and if you have not dealt with Quiver already, I will gladly do it myself! Just be sure to tell me.

>>662281
Corvus is my favorite character in Samsara.

>>662326
>M3
disgusting

>>662337
I was starting to get worried that no one was going to rebuke me for that comment and inadvertently prove me right, heh.

>>662334
Hasn't been long but I forgot pic.

>>662326
I can't live without two side buttons now, they're so handy for browsing as they go back/forward a page on a click by default and it's nice to change to my most-used weapons in a game like Quake, or melee and grenade in a modern game. Any more buttons seem a bit overkill though.

G400s and Deathadder being good gaming choices but I respect anyone's choice for something else unless it's an overpriced RAT mouse

>>662331
Never tried it, I assume they turn into Cyberdemon equivalents?

>>662334
It can take Doom 3-level models, so...
Probably as high as your computer can handle.

>>662380
Doom 3 had crazy low poly models though. Everything else was normal mapping.