/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6632372
Lupin the Third: Sage of the Pyramid

Ultima 9 Ascension

>>6632372
I actually made a list of Tomb Raider-likes and clones.

CLASSICS
-Soul Reaver


GREAT
-Drakan: Order of the Flame
-Fade to Black
-Mask of Eternity
-Blade of Darkness
-Soul Reaver 2
-Fear Effect
-Fear Effect 2


GOOD
-Aladdin: Nasira's Revenge
-Indiana Jones and The Emperor's Tomb
-Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine
-Urban Chaos
-Asghan: The Dragon Slayer
-Duke Nukem: Time To Kill
-Shadow Man
-Primal
-Castlevania Legacy of Darkness
-Oni


BAD
-Prince of Persia 3D
-Deathtrap Dungeon
-The Mummy
-The Mummy Returns
-Duke Nukem: Land of the Babes
-Excalibur 2555 AD
-Space Bunnies Must Die
-Danger Girl
-Galleon (Xbox)


AWFUL
-ODT: Escape Or Die Trying
-The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard

Feel free to add to it.

>>6632372
Tiny Bullets on the PS1. It's more about puzzle solving, navigation puzzles, platforming. If Zelda had more interactive environments but was more mechanically like tomb raider. It's by the same studio that did the first Boku no Natsuyasumi. Really detailed characters and environments too.

I had no trouble playing it as an EOP.

>>6632372
the original Megaman Legends was just TR but as a ARPG The sequel however was totally kino, fixing all of those flaws

>>6632446
>all of those flaws

And what would those be exactly anon?

>>6632454
Controls and inventory system mostly

Heretic 2. Directly inspired by TR. Much more focused on action than puzzles. Movement is good.

>>6632372
Unironically, American McGee's Alice.

>>6632461
That stupid frog level is where I completely lost interest in that game.

>>6632479
Frog level? I don't recall what you mean.

>>6632491
These cunts, jumping out of water and shit, I hate em.

mario 64

>Drakan: Order of the Flame

This game blew my 12 year old mind. The game starts in grim medieval fantasy world, and then you progress and suddenly you're flying your own dragon in an open world jungle paradise.

>>6632405
Man I love Mask of Eternity.

>>6632405
>Fear Effect

Huh? Are you thinking of something else? Fear Effect is a Resident Evil clone that has nothing in common with Tomb Raider other than having an attractive woman for a protagonist.

>BAD
>Deathtrap Dungeon

I'm on the fence about this one. It's not that it's *bad*, it's that it's incredibly unforgiving and punishes first time players for not being able to see into the future. The game expects you not just to die a lot, but to go back and re-play previous levels to finish them with more items stockpiled in your inventory. You used those bombs to clear out enemies two levels ago? Too bad, now you've got no chance against this fucking T-Rex you had no way of knowing about.
If you are gonna play this, play it with a guide that will tell you which items you should save for later.

>>6633026
And the better your armor is, the more skin it shows.
Psygnosis knew exactly how to get me invested.

>>6633045
I thought I was the only one
this was so addicting too for the 12 years old me, discovering all the maps and collecting every single stuff

>clones

>>6632405
Nasira's Revenge was terrible.

>>6632405
>BAD
>Galleon (Xbox)

That game is an underrated classic and it's also designed by the same people who made Tomb Raider.

>>6633071
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGzKnyhYDQI

The heavy emphasis on action interspersed by puzzles. It has survival horror elements, but the main character even dual wields pistols similarly to Lara.

>>6633071

The heavy emphasis on action interspersed by puzzles. It has survival horror elements, but the main character even dual wields pistols similarly to Lara.

>>6632405
I haven't played most of those but why is Drakan in there? Other than skimpy female protag it has nothing in common with TR?

>>6632405
Was Deathtrap Dungeon that bad and Asghan that good? I remember having played the very beginnings of them but not getting far because my PC at the time just wasn't enough.

>>6632372
Fifth Element. I'm pretty sure its the TR engine or similar.

The Xena game is really fun.

>>6632405
>Oni
>Galleon
>Primal

So we're allowed to post non-/vr/ games then? Because Sphinx and The Cursed Mummy is literally a tomb-raider-like.

>>6635035
DD is baffling.
It should've been an instant classic with its huge creativity and variety in terms of enemies, weapons and areas but so much with it went wrong that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but the biggest masochists.
First strike against it is the locked silky smooth 17.5fps framerate which even at the time was horrendous, made even worse by the fact that animations seem to be tied to it.
Second strike is the terrible camera that keeps changing from following to static over and over and often fucks you up.
The most infamous example is right in the first level where you enter a room with a puzzle and once you want to leave it a flamethrower robot spawns out of sight which unless you know of it pretty much will insta-kill you.
And finally there is the whole game design itself.
Yeah, it's called "Deathtrap" Dungeon but most of the traps and trials don't feel challenging, hard or clever but simply cheap and poorly thought out, especially together with the mentioned framerate and camera.
Judging by the game's making of video, creating a hard but fair game wasn't even their intention but rather "how else can we fuck the player and waste his time?" and given the infamous ending of the game they probably didn't even expect a lot of people to beat it.

>>6635950
Sounds like devs had a firm grasp on what they wanted to make, but had no idea how to execute it.

>>6632372
Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine
The irony of this being a TR clone is fucking lethal. Emperor's Tomb isn't retro and is meh as a game

>>6633368
It's designed by Toby Gard, so single person, and from gameplay standpoint, it's just all around
"meh". Add to this being made cheaply and you have shovelware

>>6636152
Guess it wasn't Toby that made the original what it is today, heh

>>6635950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34BsA2PE1qA
Here's the making of, by the way.
There's a reason some people call it one of the main predecessors of Dark Souls, especially in the marketing department where they kept telling you how much you're gonna get fucked up.

Rune?

>>6632405
>Fade to Black
The pyramid level is brutal

>>6632372
>Duke Nukem
>Tomb Raider clone
Excuse me...? Duke Nukem games have always been known as 1st person shooters, or 2D platformers taking the originals into account.

>>6632405
Nasira's Revenge seemed to have ran out of budget by the 4th level, the rest of the levels were absolute shovelware
It belongs in trash tier.

>>6636173
No, it wasn't Toby. He was literally the Idea Guy for the game and quit after the first one. The series had a highly successful run for 4 games and is a thing to this day, without any involvement of his. Dev-wise, at least duriing CORE-era, the credit goes to Gavin Rummery (the engine is his) and Heather Gibson (level design). Impact-wise, it goes to Eidos marketing strategy.
It's fucking 2020, all the information of the design of TR1 is a public knowledge for past 4 years thanks to the 20th anniversary interviews and publications related to it. Gard throw a shit-fit once TR1 got released, then delivered his Galleon and then went to suck Crystal Dynamics' cock for Lara money when they made the atrocious Anniversary.
I wish people stopped treating Idea Guys like the actual force behind games, be it Gard, Molyneux or Kojima.

>>6636265
Is Balls of Steel a shooter or a platformer?

>>6636265
>2D platformers

Okay, that doesn't change the fact that there are literally 2 releases in the Duke Nukem franchise that are direct rip-offs of Tomb Raider.

>>6636301
>It's fucking 2020, all the information of the design of TR1 is a public knowledge for past 4 years thanks to the 20th anniversary interviews and publications related to it

Yea, and there's still that one guy that goes into each Tomb Raider thread and says the first is the only good one and Toby Gard was the sole reason for its success. I almost want to believe it's that one guy who made that amateurish "historiography" of the Tomb Raider franchise video on youtube, since there was a heavy emphasis/bias towards the first Tomb Raider in that as well.

>>6636301
>It's fucking 2020, all the information of the design of TR1 is a public knowledge for past 4 years thanks to the 20th anniversary interviews and publications related to it

Yea, and there's still that one guy that goes into each Tomb Raider thread and says the first is the only good one and Toby Gard was the sole reason for its success. I almost want to believe it's that one guy who made that amateurish "historiography" of the Tomb Raider franchise video on youtube, since there was a heavy emphasis/bias towards the first Tomb Raider in that as well. In case you couldn't exactly tell, my original comment was being sarcastic. I know Toby wasn't the real force behind TR, calm your tits.

>>6635057
This game has some really nice skyboxes

>>6635950
>Yeah, it's called "Deathtrap" Dungeon but most of the traps and trials don't feel challenging, hard or clever but simply cheap and poorly thought out
This is only true for the first few traps then you get the gist of how the traps work. Always look up at the ceiling, don’t stand in the same spot after piling levers, always expect an enemy around the corner or any spot you can’t see, always check to see if there’s a fire trap behind the chest, etc. Its not the games fault you have room level temperature iq if you can’t grasp these basics after falling for them so often.

>>6632405
why do you think deathtrap dungeon is bad? I love it. Haven't finished it yet though

>>6632405
what about:
severance: blade of darkness

>>6632405
also:
heavy metal FAKK2

>>6632405
>deathtrap dungeon
>bad
its a flawed masterpiece anon

Duke nukem time to kill

>>6632405
Your list sucks, asshole.

>>6632405
>Soul Reaver
>classic
ditch your rose-tinted glasses

>>6632405
you forgot this anon, is literally A TR Diablo Clone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TRiNlBCzvk

>>6642110
ditch your shit taste, pleb

>>6642292
delusional cunt

>>6637636
Guess we are both simply burned by the same stupid piece of shit

>>6632405
Dino Crisis belongs in great.

>>6642480
Annoyed would be a better word. I don't get "burned" on 4chan, and neither should you.

>>6642110
That anime sucks.

>>6642103
That anime sucks, and so does your opinion.

>>6642103
That anime sucks, and so does your opinion, fag.

>>6642110
How the fuck is Soul Reaver not a classic?

>>6642596
Burned as in burned out, anon