/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6594931
I tried to warn you dawg.

>>6594931
But good sir may I interest you in le hidden gem Clockwork Knight? What about Bug!? Make sure to buy a CIB copy.

Saturn Bomeberman
Burning Rangers
All of the Working Designs games
Radiant Silvergun
Shining the Holy Ark

Saturn version of Powerslave is the best version

Is quake any good? For the saturn?

>>6594951
>All of the Working Designs games
queer

>>6594962
>>6594967
>playing first person shooter on console
Kys

Mr bones

Three dirty dwarves

Minnesota fats pool legend

Digital pinball necronomicon

>>6594967
Nothing is any good. For the saturn.

>>6594967
It’s the best console version and has better lighting effects than the PC version

For me, it's gotta be Baku Baku Animal

This is what happens when you shill shit to retarded kiddie zoomers. They buy up all the stock only to realize they don't even like any of it.

>>6594945
Please tell us more about how you thought it was a good idea to kill the only horse you had in the race and have no source of revenue for 2 years while you bled money on the Dreamcast. That totally didn't set the Dreamcast up to fail or anything.
>>6594970
Powerslave is better on Saturn than PC. The PC version is just a generic Build Engine game where as the Saturn version is more like say Metroid Prime with a lot more exploration as it's focus.

>>6594951
>Shining the Holy Ark
So gay
>Burning Rangers
No

>>6595029
So what kind of games do you like then? What exactly are you looking for? Or are you just a shitposter who's going to say "it's shit" no matter what gets posted?

Another point for Powerslave. That game is absolutely amazing.

>Everyone on the Internet knows nothing about the Saturn and shits on it
>Games are all $300+
Explain this to me

>>6595028
I dont care that its an original game on saturn, playing a fps without a mouse and kb feels like shit, like playing a lightgun game without a gun

>>6594979
There were other console version?

>>6594993
Guilty. Except for the 'zoomer' part.

I bought a saturn. Gave it back the very next day. I thought the pad was supposed to be based. Felt like tiny shit for tiny jap hands.

>>6595067
kill yourself

Cotton Boomerang is pretty dank.

>>6595065
Quake 64

>>6594931
Just finished this game. Overall I felt that although the fmv's were nice it was wasted potential. For a survival horror game the tension was always low.

I could honestly not reccommended it to anyone.

>>6595061
So use the Saturn mouse?

>>6595108
I disagree, I thought the tension was pretty high with the oxygen mechanic. As far as Resident Evil clones go it's pretty solid.

>>6595067
You talk like an irritating faggot.

>>6595123
You speak like an esol. Did I upset you, by calling out your sacred controller.

ITT post shit games that I hold dear to my heart

>>6595128
So what controller is better then?

>>6595061
Git gud

>>6595134
Come on man. Its not a case of whats better. Its a case of not being the best.

And if you must know, ps1 mk1 controller was comfy and fun to use. My eyes, much better. Even mega drive controller tops it.

But these are my opinions, and my 9" hands struggle with nearly all of them.

Better than the DC but thats not saying much.

>>6595130
Well fuck forgot the pic
This game every character is an anime archetype with 60 moves, most of which are useless, too slow, low damaging and/or impossible to pull off with cryptic extremely precise commands like Left, Down-Up, L+Z+Y or some shit.

Still love it. Pulling off moves with those awful controls is half the challenge.

>>6595140
Elandoree is like Panzer Dragoon meets Tekken.
Most your moves are slow projectiles. Actually I should fire it again sometime, I don't remember much at all.

>>6595139
> ps1 mk1 controller, much better.
With a terrible D-Pad and mushy feeling buttons.
>Even mega drive controller tops it.
The 6-button Genesis pad has the same D-Pad as the JP/Model 2 Saturn pad, and it's actually smaller.

>>6595147
Big old buttons and somewhere to have my hands.
And mk1 pad was great for fighting games, I like that stiff rubber feel. Ergonomically speaking, you cant deny it is not good. Plus, all those buttons!

I just think the saturn controller is not what people say it is. It always gets mentioned as a real top level controller. Had instant disappointment using it. Admittedly the pad was probably 20 years old by this point, but was expecting better.

Dont take it personal buddy. Just not a fan of saturns controller.

>>6595034
I like lots of different games. Shining the Holy Ark sucks ass compared to something like King's Field or Ocarina of Time. Burning Rangers is terrible compared to Star Fox 64 or even Toy Story 2.
So have you actually played other kinds of games then? Or are you just a segaposter who's going to say "it's good" no matter what gets posted as long as it's on Saturn?

>>6595156
Not the guy you are replying to, but why are you comparing games in wildly different genres? That's like saying Gran Turismo is better than Goemon

>>6595156
How does burning rangers compare at all to fucking star fox 64 lmak

The consensus is against you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best

Nights and PDS both make the list

>>6594967
No. Don't listen to Saturn fan opinions, they're all delusional.

>>6595139
Go back to r*ddit where you belong

>>6595254
No one buys the Saturn to play Quake retard.

>>6595180
>>6595169
They're just all dumb action games where you shoot stuff. Toy Story 2 is a better comparison. The point is that Burning Rangers isn't even in the same league as other action games from the 5th generation. It's janky shit.

The hardest metal known to man is on Saturn.

>>6595346
Take your meds

>>6595283
Whatever.

Pds is fucking lame. Total bore. Glad those shitty on rails games died like your daddy did you dirty nip lover.

>ITT poorfag cope general
Don't mind me playing Battle Garegga and Gunbird on my TATE mode CRT.
World of a difference to any emulation

>>6595489
>World of a difference to any emulation
Yeah except Groovymame which is better than those ports.

>>6595489
Post physique

>>6595495
Except you'll be playing shitty soulless Arcade roms on your lcd computer monitor.
You wouldn't know the difference anyway, the effort that was put into Gunbird on Saturn is astounding. Go play Nintendo Switch, faggot
>>6595496
You go first. I'm athletic if you must know.

>>6595512
>groovymame
>LCD computer monitor
Maybe try looking up what Groovymame is buddy. You know I'd figure a shmup fan would be familiar with it.

>>6594998
that sounds like a porn movie

>>6595120
You really think so? I could not get over the fact that everything in the game was infinitely abundant, literally ammo being infinite. Not one time did I use an air grenade or run out of ammunition. I did really enjoy the story though. And the OST is excellent.

>>6595990
It's more like Resident Evil 2, more of an action game where you're not gonna run out of ammo. I really like the atmosphere in the game, and the fact something has always changed every time you pass through the starting area unsettles you. The game also gets plus points for the most offensive voice acting ever.

>>6594945
ZOOM Gaming will be better, I promise

>>6594931

>>6595283
They buy it to play "Hold down A and the release it: The game". Probably the most boring game out there, like a poor mans Star Fox.

Linda! Stop! I'm gonna-.... I'm- I'm CUUUUUUBING

>>6595028
What would you have done in Bernie's place, just tell bold-face lies about Sega not being able to keep up with manufacturing costs of the Saturn and third-party developers ditching Sega en masse in favor of the PSX due to the Saturn being retardedly designed frankenstein hardware and managed/marketed terribly outside Japan even before he took over SoA? There was nothing he or anyone else for that matter could have done to save it, and no, localizing some random animu jarpig wouldn't have either.

>>6596083
Third-parties ditched the console (and Sega) because STOLAR pissed them off so much, not because of the hardware lmao

>>6596059
Did the Saturn version ever get translated, or is it only the ps1 version that was translated?

>>6596096
Nah, that pic is using AI translation in retrofart. It's janky but it's better than moon runes

>>6596087
The Stolar wasn't to blame for that, rather it was Sega of Japan that was responsible by killing the Saturn with the announcement of a successor and then releasing the DC too soon. If you'll recall, even japanese second party companies were pissed at them for doing that, most notably Camelot, who cut ties with Sega to go work with Nintendo instead.

>>6596249
Nope, Stolar was the man to blame. Not only did he blab the Saturn was to be discontinued months before he should have, causing thousands of lost sales and games to get cancelled, he pissed off working designs and EA so much they vowed never to release a Sega game ever again.

>>6596249
Also, Camelot's beef was that Shining Force 3 was poorly marketed in Japan

>>6596269
>Nope, Stolar was the man to blame.
Nope, he was just following orders from SoJ who utimately made the decision to end the Saturn as soon as possible because it was a sinking ship that was pulling Sega down with it.

>thousands of games cancelled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cancelled_Sega_Saturn_games

Nice exaggeration, Saturnigger.

>Working Designs
And nothing of value was lost, kek.

>>6596275
Source?

>>6595156
>Shining the Holy Ark sucks ass compared to something like King's Field or Ocarina of Time
You're comparing a turn based JRPG to an action adventure game. Are you retarded.
>Burning Rangers is terrible compared to Star Fox 64 or even Toy Story 2.
>Compares a 3rd Person shooter to a Rail Shooter and a Movie Platformer.
Yep, you're retarded alright.
>>6595254
>Same Cherrypicked webm every time.
So I've looked at footage of that part and it doesn't get nearly that choppy
>>6596083
> third-party developers ditching Sega en masse in favor of the PSX
That didn't start until after Bernie killed it at E3 1997. They actually had a pretty successful 1996 Holiday in the West and had a pretty good looking line up for 1997. This was also right around when Saturn Development was becoming a lot easier thanks to new tools from AM2. In Japan it wasn't until Final Fantasy 7 came out that the PS1 finally overtook the Saturn, up until that point they were even. With a good marketing campaign and the right games the Saturn could have probably pulled off a respectable 2nd place like it did in Japan. But that all evaporated away when Bernie said Saturn was dead at E3.

>>6596312
>thousands of games cancelled
He didn't say thousands of games you idiot. He said thousands of lost sales (meaning dollars).

>>6594931
Yes, it is a totally shit and pointless console. The shilling for it is a total cope.

Play Guardian Heroes, Castlevania - Symphony of the Night, Dragon Force, Dark Savior, Shining Force III

>>6594931
radiant silvergun
guardian heroes
afterburner 2
space harrier

>>6596442
>recommending the shit SotN port
Yikes

>>6597157
You have to be 18 or older to post here

>>6597157
>recommending any version of Shitphony of the Shite
Double yikes.

>>6596346
>Movie Platformer
You're pulling genres out of your ass. Toy Story 2 is a 3rd person shooter, and a much better one that Burning Rangers.

>>6597181
>>6597157
Hello, cringe department?

>>6596346
>So I've looked at footage of that part and it doesn't get nearly that choppy

>>6597182
lol no

>>6597182
You're comparing apples to oranges and you're a complete retard for doing so.
>>6597191
>More cherrypicking
One or two high stress rooms isn't enough to discount the entire port. And again looking at other playthroughs of those spots it doesn't drop that bad. So either your videos are from shit captures that dropped frames, or you reduced the framerate.

>>6597229
Here's a nicer capture.

>>6594962
>Saturn version of Powerslave is the best version
What about the PS1 game?

>>6597234
You're confusing the enemy animation frame rate with the overall frame rate. Quake 1 has pretty shit enemy animations, even on PC.

>>6597247
The PS1 version is a little worse looking and has a much less consistent framerate. Sometimes it's better but usually it's worse and worse in this case is pretty bad.
>>6597253
The Saturn version just looks and plays like shit.
https://streamable.com/l7vde5
https://streamable.com/cm70sm

>>6597253
Quake was also a cutting edge PC game. The fact that they were able to make a comparable conversion on the Saturn is just technically impressive, even if it doesn't run all that well.

Based Saturn and N64 making Sonyggers eternally seethe.

>>6597265
If you say so

>>6597265
Funny that this recording from real hardware doesn't look as choppy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI0Q0VWOp3E

>>6597303
These are real hardware.

>>6597313
Enemy animations look the same on PC

>>6597314
They aren't even close. Here's the 64 version since it uses the same animations as the PC.

>>6597313
Yet your videos are significantly choppier than other ones I've seen of similar areas, or playing it myself. Even this one in the first part where it's moving and staring at a wall the game usually hits 30fps in scenario on real hardware, yet your webms are significantly more choppy. So either the capture was shit and dropped frames, or you screwed up the frame rate when you encoded them.

>>6597319
Those animations look worse desu.

>>6597325
My videos are not significantly choppier, these were recorded from a model 1 US Saturn with an original copy of the game. It is as accurate a representation of the game's performance as you can get. Granted some of the recordings (like this one) were on a much shittier capture card but it still paints a clear picture of what I'm demonstrating.

*Zzzz* are we done yet?

>>6597319
It's not really a fair comparison. The N64 used newer, faster hardware that was designed around 3D graphics. Even if Quake still had to be cut down to run on the 64, it was at least suited towards games like Quake. Saturn Quake doesn't even use id Tech 2.
>>6597327
They seem to have a few more frames in their walking animations, but we don't really get to see the Knights attack animations in the Saturn webm.

>>6597342
How did you capture/encode the videos? Did you cap the framerate at 30fps? If so then you probably are skipping frames which would explain why your videos look choppier than others of the same parts of the game.
>>6597284
Except this thread and the other anti-Saturn thread going on right now were clearly started by N64 fanboys. This one is complaining that the games aren't like other N64 gmaes, while the other is complaining that Panzer Dragoon isn't Starfox 64.

>>6597396
>How did you capture/encode the videos?
The shitty looking ones were a Dazzle DVC 100, that only captures 30FPS and looks like crap. The better looking ones though were a DVD player converting the 240p/480i signal to 480p then going to a Hauppauge HD PVR captured at 60FPS. I converted em all with Webm for Retards.

>>6596312
that list of canned SS games is far from complete

>>6597567
whats it missing ?