/vr/ - Retro Games

Lol

This game is so floaty and the physics cause you to bump into the ceiling of the Chicago skate park with maxed stats.

That said, it's still the best version of the game.

>>6583791
I'm thinking about getting it, it's usually 5 bucks at the local pawn shop. I have the Dreamcast and PS1 versions already.

This game is typically looked down upon, Is there a reason outside of the censorship that this game is objectively worse than the N64 version?

>>6583926
there's no censorship. it was probably a creative decision. if anything the N64 version censored some words on purpose.
the game is literally the same as the N64 one, only with updated graphics and combat. it plays literally the same, movement, platforming, etc.

>>6583969
That's anything but true. They censored the game so much that it's a downgrade.There's still some fun there, but you should play the 64 version over it.

>>6583980
If only Xbox softmodding had been trivial for 10 years and uncensored patches of the game existed..

I prefer the PC version with the 60 FPS mod and a ps3 controller, if only for the more low poly look and a few stylistic things here and there.

>>6583980
Nah, it’s too graphically superior over the smeary shit N64 version to be considered a downgrade.

>>6583980
>>6583969
Honestly it's not that big a deal
nintendies just make a big stink about it because it's an xbox exclusive

>>6584775
2X is also 60fps and the OG xbox controller S is perfection

>>6583926
I haven't played this in 10 years, but didn't you unlock uncensored mode after you beat it? I've only ever played the Xbox version and I remember it without beeps. Not sure if it's a false memory.

>>6584916
I believe the multiplayer dialogue could be uncensored back in the day. The story dialogue couldn't be altered though, sadly.

>>6583926
>Is there a reason outside of the censorship that this game is objectively worse than the N64 version?
Basically every cutscene has something wrong with it in terms of camera work, blocking, or animation. It's a rushed mess with way less soul than the original.

The dancers and strobe lights in Rock Solid aren't synced to the music anymore, and heaps of stuff like that.

The opening sequence completely fucks up the Clockwork Orange homage by having him drink from a steel goblet instead of a glass of milk. Plus Conker has no facial expression changes in a lot of scenes.

This is one of my favorite games, but I played it on Xbox, so let's discuss that version, I guess?

>>6585430
That game can't run on any 1999 platforms so it's not retro. Check the sticky.

>>6585447
False. It can run on Windows 98.

>>6585447
Show me that it can't be run on platform OS from 1999 or earlier with all the files provided on the game disk.

Or else PSX or DC games made with SDK dated 2000 and later can't be considered retro too.

>>6585447
it runs on windows 98

>>6584781
>>6584904
Muh graphics!!

>>6585563
>muh cinematic 24fps

>>6585563
Remember saying this when criticizing the PS1 and Saturn’s graphical prowess.

>>6584905
Isn't the Dreamcast version also 60fps?

>>6584935
When literally every other aspect of the game is vastly superior, I'll take a few bleeps.
Again, nintendies are just mad that it's an xbox exclusive.
Same with retards saying that NG sigma is as good as black or Outrun 2006 plays as well as the original arcade/xbox outrun 2.
Xbox exclusives make people mad.

>>6585563
It's actually more, muh framerate.

>>6583761

Clever girl

>>6583926
The game play is fixed and the game runs at a sane framerate. The poopy doody song has the bad word censored.

>>6585761
it's doubled buffered and has frame drops, so when it drops below 60 it sinks to 30 uncomfortably.

>>6584904
>>6585812

Holy shit, those really are Olympic level mind gymnastics.
Here we have the original game A on a system, A now gets remade for a newer system with it pretty much staying the same but with polished graphics but, dare I say it, quite a bit of the soul taken out, so widely regarded as either on the same level or even lower. So people are now mad that the remake only came out on the one new system - even though the original is still right there for everyone to play?

Gold medal

That would only make sense if BFD then came out the first time ("Fuck, why only THEY got this game! Bastards!").

>>6586081
>dare I say it, quite a bit of the soul taken out
lmao
L&R looks, sounds, plays and IS leagues better than on N64.
Real time fur in 2004 is fucking soul
kys

>>6586081
BFD is unplayable, so L&R is the best way to play the game.

Impressive how remakes treated here.

>>6583761
Nice try, not retro, never will be retro, won't be retro in the year 4000

>>6586397
This thread is still alive - is proof enough it's retro.

>>6586397
Wrong.

>>6583791
that's also because treyarch thought it was a good idea to add collideable beams in the ceiling that are lower then regular ceiling itself

>>6583761
While not a remake, pic related is my favorite Xbox compilation of retro games, and also my favorite Namco Museum along with DS and Archives
>>6586397
Non-retro remakes of retro games and retro demakes of non-retro games are allowed in /vr/ you fuck, we had a thread about Pac-Man CE a couple of days ago.

>>6586397
>>6586435
fuck the two of you, fucking obnoxious retards

>>6583761
XBOX Mk1/2/3 are the best ports period.

>>6586598
Lots of good classic compilations from the 6th gen.

>>6587032
My favorite probably being metal slug anthology.

>>6587032
and 90% are absolute garbage

>>6587039
How so?

>>6587040
Mostly shitty or wonky emulation, shitty ports(if ported at all)

>>6586598
>dig dug arrangement
Uwu whats this

>>6583926
From what i've seen, the gore is toned down (less blood, the gibs are smaller and more detailed but in the cartoonish look they looked gorier) Conker has a bat instead of a frying pan and the multi mode is severely dumbed down.
Other than that it's an alright port

>>6585241
>>6583926
It's scruffy for a remake outside of the graphics because after a retailer showcase where they showed an uncensored version. WalMart freaked and said they wouldn't stock any Xbox products at all if it released as the game was being shown. And with a big scandal involving "The Guy Game" having an undeclared minor in the game (Which involved a massive recall and the FBI getting involved). Retailers weren't taking chances on the new wave of rude "Boobs, swears and blood" humor games any more (Even though Conker on the n64 started the wave). Microsoft had to relent because they needed the shelf space for the 360. Asked Rare to pull back on the game hard because of retail and cancelled a planned expansion pack for multiplayer mode. Originally it was supposed to launch before Halo 2 but it came in 2005 late because they had to make all the changes in the game to satisfy retailers, just before the 360 announced and not much marketing (Again, Retail) and the game flopped even though the Multiplayer, while not the N64 version, was a really good Enemy Territory style MP for consoles. It was just fucked by circumstance and MS really liked the game internally and even loved the new multiplayer so much the wanted it to be a pillar IP going into next gen and had already green lit the expansion pack. The MS Studios team were even super apologetic to the team even though they saw the Other Bad Fur Day pitch because they couldn't get it to retail without compromises. It sucks but circumstances just completely went against the Conker L&R team.

>>6586097
literal furfag

>>6584014
Where is this mod? I've searched and I see a couple in progress mods to achieve this but nothing finished

>>6587052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Via1y6XDj0

I'm glad the dreamcast died, we wouldn't have these otherwise.

>>6587702
Fag, that's not a remake, it's a port of a contemporary arcade game.

>>6587702
C'mon man, don't get the mods involved, this a classy retro Xbox thread.
This right here is a port of a Dreamcast title, I think it's great. Some people zealously prefer the Dreamcast version though, is there any logical reason for this?

>>6583926
>there's no censorship
>>6584904
>uhh actually it's just not a big deal
At least pretend you're arguing in good faith.

>>6587806
Outrun 2 would have never been developed on the Naomi and you know it. Chihiro existing is directly related to the xbox
>>6587813
Because II never came out in NA on the shitcast and the little sega babies were VERY ANGEREY

>>6583761
Conker? That game was cool on the Xbox

>>6587813
It comes down to which dub you prefer. For me, the crappy English dub is part of the experience.

>>6586598
The Xbox Platinum Hits box design reeks of soul. I honestly thought the Xbox was a neat, mystical device, like one of those "forgotten consoles" that actually succeeded. It narrowly beat the GameCube in units sold, too.

>>6588154
Gamecube Player's choice also lacks soul. You get an ugly yellow banner that doesn't match up to your black label games, and the manuals are in black and white.

>>6588154
>>6588193
So this is what autism looks like.

>>6588227
I don't like my games to have menstrual-blood red lettering on a radioactive snot green background. If I'm autistic for this, then so be it.

>>6587702
By the way, is there a reason to try OutRun 2 instead of just 2006? It looks like the same game, but maybe there's some differences like ports of Daytona USA?

>>6588237
>>6588154
>>6588193
I'd personally just call you retarded

mods aren't even trying anymore

>>6588624
Better frame rate than Coast 2 Coast and the bonus content in Outrun 2 includes two bonus routes based on SCUD Race and Daytona USA 2 as well as a lot of bonus material related to Ferrari and the making of the first game. The puzzle mode also has different challenges compared to Coast 2 Coast as well. It's still worth playing. It just doesn't have the massive amount of stuff to do and more refined systems of C2C.

>>6589162
>Better frame rate than Coast 2 Coast
How it can be better in literally the same game?
What about controls, physics of cars, which version is most fun?

>>6589162
>>6588624
The handling is also vastly superior to C2C. Especially going into and getting out of drifts.

>>6588881

Nothing to try here though.

I mean yeah, it is an obvious try to blur the lines by loophole again, but the topic of the thread has always been allowed, remakes have always been allowed.
And so far this thread actually stayed pretty on topic, remakes on the XBox and PS2, not about those consoles themselves and also not about others of their games.

>>6583761
I genuinely cannot comprehend how the PS1 version of this game is the second highest ranked game of all time on Metacritic. This has to be a joke. How can a fucking licensed skating simulation have better reviews than literally every game not named Ocarina of Time? Is it actually that good or do skating fags exaggerate how good their games are?

>>6589351
First off cut the faction war bullshit out. Second off actually sit down and play some Tony Hawk games and see if they're good (they are) before declaring it some kind of conspiracy.

>>6583761
I've been playing 2X on my PC and I like it. Though they could've revamped the THPS1 career a bit instead of leaving it at five goals per level, with two of those being laughably low score totals.
It also feels a bit easier to play with no upgrades compared to the original. I've been trying to complete as much as possible with no upgrades and the 250 cash icons in bullring seem easier to reach in 2X with no upgrades. Managed to get Moon Gravity unlocked so a fully beaten save with nothing bought is definitely possible by using that cheat to get the cash with skaters who don't have enough Air/Speed to get it the legit way.

>>6589426
There's are people who will tell you FIFA is good games, but it still a licensed rehashes every year.

>>6589436
Hey retard, that's why I said the second part where you should sit your ass down and actually try the games instead of bitching about fake reviews or whatever the fuck.

>>6589439
>about fake reviews
So, these games not really so good to be in the tops of metacritic, is that what you say?
And I played these games in early 00, was not impressed, seemed like normie-tier trash.

>>6589446
>So, these games not really so good to be in the tops of metacritic, is that what you say?
I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion from what I said but considering the rest of your post I can only assume it's because you're retarded.
Enjoy your brain damage I suppose.

>>6589451
You sound like typical normie who will become aggressive at everything not going his way.
All that what was asked is: is it really warranted so high score? Is these scores still actual today?

Zoomers really trying hard to astroturf this board

>>6589351
Rating with numbers in the first place is not a good idea when you aren't even comparing games in similar genres. It's like asking if a racing game with a 99 rating is better than an RPG with a 98 rating. The other reason why it's pointless is because even if you make a game later which does everything better, it doesn't mean the score of the older games goes down.
When it comes to THPS2, it is very much an arcade game at its core: pick a dude, go through the levels doing goals and tricks, get a cool video at the end. The mechanics are solid and the point of the whole game is the gameplay itself and there's no story or anything of the sort to distract you from that.

>>6589426
But there's literally no conceivable universe where a licensed skating simulation is a better video game than:
Every single other Zelda besides Ocarina, every single Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, GTA, Mega Man, Metroid, Castlevania, and Silent Hill, every single racing game and every fighting game too (even SoulCalibur which was at number 2 only weeks ago), the entire NES, SNES, the rest of the PS1, and the PS2 libraries, etc. etc. etc.
It might be decent, even good, but it's inconceivable that it could be THAT good. What's even more ludicrous is that those high reviews are for the PS1 version, the Dreamcast version is about a dozen or two spots further down.

>>6589478
>It's like asking if a racing game with a 99 rating is better than an RPG with a 98 rating.
It's more like asking: in what this game was so influential that it deserved so much praise? Everyone can understand what makes OoT so great, but normie skating?

>>6589457
Learn to speak English if you want people to understand you.
Also
>normie thing is popular with a lot of people
WHOA! What a shocking concept!

>>6589501
People who are usually skating or smoking weed instead of playing video games. And a normie skating game being ranked that high doesn't represent most gamers, I very highly doubt that the majority of gamers like skating that much.

>>6589501
My english is beside a point.
Someone asked a simple question and you exploded like a madman. You need to check your anger with someone.

Was never into skateboarding in real life, but the Tony Hawk's games are arcade-like score attack games that also feature items to collect in each level and very exaggerated physics. They're not really meant to be a skateboarding sim or anything, just fun video games.

>>6589513
I'm on your side, but they really didn't explode. Now they'll just go after you for misrepresenting their anger level without answering our question: why the fuck is a normie skating game the SECOND-HIGHEST ranked game of all time?

>>6589489
The main reason is that it took the original THPS which was already very popular and basically improved upon all the game systems. And basically every other sports game with a similar tricking system took cues from THPS so there's your influence.
Like I said, the rating system with numbers is inherently flawed because the numbers don't get updated in any way. "Best Game Ever" is a stupid title anyways, so I'm not sure why whatever number Metacritic has there bothers you so much.

>>6589518
This. I was a huge fan of the THPS series in the 2000s, but I only tried skating once, and I didn't really like it. THPS is just a fun arcade game.

>>6588193
I think you misunderstood, I meant that the Xbox Platinum Hits label looks fantastic. The GameCube's is a bit dull, as is the PS2's, but at least the PS2 doesn't use a banner. Game Boy Players Choice on the other hand is Peak Soul.

>>6587813
>Some people zealously prefer the Dreamcast version though, is there any logical reason for this?
The awful motion blur for one. When you're just walking around, it's fine and even adds some atmosphere at night, but it's obnoxious during fights when dozens of characters are moving on screen and it turns into a smudged out mess. There's also the fact that by being a port, you don't get the experience of transferring items over from Shenmue 1.

Not like any of this matters, the HD version has surpassed both of versions of the game.

>>6583761
are retro ports\remakes on xbox360 welcome here too? how about xbone? can we speculate what retrogames will be on ps5? ps5 hardware makes a huge difference on how well pacman 1985 remastered will run, so can we discuss ps5 hardware here? We havent heard anything from ninty, but there will obviously be retro ports\remakes on their next console. lets speculate?

Also, AMD vs INTEL + NVIDIA for dosbox? Is a 4k monitor enough? everyone post your pc battlestations (that can run pacman so its VR!)

>>6590481
There are very few games on DOSBox that you really need to worry about having even a moderately powerful PC for.

>>6583761
Not as good as Gex 2 but for real the remake wasn’t as good

>>6590212
>Peak Soul
Here you go, dude:

>>6587169
The guy you replied to didn't say there was one.

>>6589481
t b q h
tony hawk games are the perfect evolution of the platformer genre, introducing style and momentum into the mix
i m h o
I think they're quite comparable to everything you could theoretically list, maybe it isn't better, but it absolutely rivals them and gives them a run for the money.
>>6590232
the thing about shenmue 2 though is that you lose all the money you transfer from the first game at the beginning and it starts you out with money to lose anyway

>>6590212
Ah I see, sorry for the misunderstanding. Although I'm not a fan of the Platinum Hits look myself.

>>6590481
OP here, I regret not just calling it a 6th gen remake thread. Xbox 360, Xboxone, and all of 6th gen is fine. So long as it's a remake of a retro game, or a port.

The Xbox port of Super Bubble Pop plays great. 480p and a solid 60FPS.

>>6590514
>PAL

>>6586598
fuck yeah, pacman arrangement was the shit

>>6587032
>Be PALfag
>Get Sonic Mega Collection on GC
>Works perfectly, no problems
>Pickup Plus on PS2 years later because it's super cheap and I want to try out the Game Gear games
>They replaced the NTSC Genesis games with the 50HZ PAL Mega Drive versions
Why? Even on the GameCube version of Gems Collection they did the same thing for those timed demos of the unlocked 16-bit games. I think Vectorman 1 and 2 were 50hz too, although I can't remember.

those new stages fucking suck.

>>6593669
Yeah, sadly Namco just had to release the new arrangements and now those are included on every new compilation instead of the 1996 ones.

>>6593723
I'm always baffled Sonic got any kind of popular in the UK with those trash 50hz versions. Sonic 1 especially.

>>6594672
Honestly looking back at the state of some PAL releases it's a fucking miracle games took off at all.

>>6590514
That's much better than its American counterpart.

>>6590641
Speaking as someone who just played these recently, being able to show everyone the picture I took with Nozomi is far more important than money. One of my favorite callbacks in 2

>>6583926
i can't remember was bad fur day included in the rare replay?

>>6597562
Yeah, the ROM was slightly hacked to include Xbox One button prompts (and voice lines from Live & Reloaded to go along with them), and it removed the opening where Conker cuts up the N64 logo.

>>6590212
>Game Boy Players Choice on the other hand is Peak Soul.
Amen

>>6585812
>Xbox exclusives make people mad.
the only exclusive that makes me mad is jet set radio future.

and that's more to do with the fact that i don't have a working xbox anymore and i have to dig out my 360 to play it now.

>>6597615
>dig out my 360
lmao it runs like absolute shit on 360.
What the fuck are you waiting for, xboxes are still cheap.
You're the type of faggot to complain about prices when you had literal decades to buy shit when they're cheap.

>>6597672
360 emulation is garbage. I recently tried recording Xbox Original games on one, and the sound quality was awful.

>>6593723
Gems Collection on Gamecube really pisses me off. How did they simply forget to include a 60Hz option when nearly every other Sonic game on the console included it?

>>6594672
>>6595315
Wasn't Sonic 2 the one that really did well globally. If I remember correctly, the PAL version was optimized for 50Hz unlike the original game.

>>6597615
It runs perfectly in Cxbx Reloaded...

>>6589509
Hey this just in you are in fact not most gamers. Maybe like eat a bag of dicks instead of pretending to not be an instigating bozo

>>6583761
game is awful. floaty with stupid ghosting effects and feels slow.

>>6600080
"perfectly"
The nvidia southbridge on the xbox is an absolute clusterfuck design, it will never have proper emulation.

>>6600104
It's literally the same as the dreamcast version but with better grafix though

>>6600054
The music is fixed but the speed is not.

>>6600104
>stupid ghosting effects
If you mean the motion blur then you can turn that off in the options.

>>6600645
Just fucking try it you clown.

>>6603482
I have and it convinced me to buy an xbox

>>6587094
Do you have a source for this? I never heard about conker being scaled back past the censorship swearing or walmart

>>6587837
>Outrun 2 would have never been developed on the Naomi and you know it.
Had it not existed on Xbox it would have been developed on Naomi 2 like it's contemporary, Initial D. Sega's choices in hardware were almost entirely arbitrary and a result of game companies paying money forward to showcase their hardware